The One Event

[samahah]

In every instance where the word 'firstborn' is used, whether it's about the firstborn among the brethren, or the firstborn over all creation, or the firstborn from among the dead, or the firstborn into the world - or anything else - it always implies a beginning! NOT ONCE does it imply ETERNAL. The Textus Receptus uses the terminology, "BEFORE-most-BROUGHT-FORTH."

HERE'S A CHALLENGE...

Quote just ONE verse where FIRSTBORN implies ETERNAL! You can't do it because ONE doesn't exist!
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And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn G4416 son: and he called his name JESUS.

And she brought forth her firstborn G4416 son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn G4416 among many brethren.

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn G4416 of every creature:

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn G4416 from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten G4416 into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn G4416 should touch them.

To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, G4416 which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten G4416 of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

In every instance where the word 'firstborn' is used, whether it's about the firstborn among the brethren, or the firstborn over all creation, or the firstborn from among the dead, or the firstborn into the world - or anything else - it always implies a beginning! NOT ONCE does it imply ETERNAL. The Textus Receptus uses the terminology, "BEFORE-most-BROUGHT-FORTH."

 

[Charlie24]

The word FORM/morphe doesn't refer to Jesus' inner nature', it refers to an outward appearance or outward manifestation. The Bible speaks of evil men who have a “form” (morphosis) of godliness. That's what it means. Jesus is equal to God in his godliness, NOT his inner nature. It refers to his outward appearance as a human being. Jesus represents God in every thought and deed. He perfectly represented the Father.

When Jesus appeared to the two men on the road to Emmaus. Mark tells us that Jesus appeared “in a different form (morphe)” to the two men WHO didn't recognize him (16:12). This is very clear. Jesus did not have a different nature, he simply had a different outward appearance.

So, according to you, the bible is contradictory. Jesus sais he was NOT equal to the Father! Paul said Jesus was FULLY HUMAN IN EVERY WAY! I BELIEVE JESUS, AND I BELIEVE PAUL - OR WHOEVER WROTE HEBREWS.

"For this reason he had to be made like them,[fn] fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people."

Being in the "form" of God refers to Christ's deity. He was conceived by the Spirit of God, not by man. Yet He was fully man as we are.

 

[Charlie24]

In every instance where the word 'firstborn' is used, whether it's about the firstborn among the brethren, or the firstborn over all creation, or the firstborn from among the dead, or the firstborn into the world - or anything else - it always implies a beginning! NOT ONCE does it imply ETERNAL. The Textus Receptus uses the terminology, "BEFORE-most-BROUGHT-FORTH."

HERE'S A CHALLENGE...

Quote just ONE verse where FIRSTBORN implies ETERNAL! You can't do it because ONE doesn't exist!
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And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn G4416 son: and he called his name JESUS.

And she brought forth her firstborn G4416 son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn G4416 among many brethren.

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn G4416 of every creature:

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn G4416 from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten G4416 into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn G4416 should touch them.

To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, G4416 which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten G4416 of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

In every instance where the word 'firstborn' is used, whether it's about the firstborn among the brethren, or the firstborn over all creation, or the firstborn from among the dead, or the firstborn into the world - or anything else - it always implies a beginning! NOT ONCE does it imply ETERNAL. The Textus Receptus uses the terminology, "BEFORE-most-BROUGHT-FORTH."

This is nothing but human reasoning, and it's worthless.

I have to say up front that any self-proclaimed Christian who denies the deity of Christ is shameful, needless to say the lack of respect you will receive from the body of Christ.

 

[samahah]

This is nothing but human reasoning, and it's worthless.

I have to say up front that any self-proclaimed Christian who denies the deity of Christ is shameful, needless to say the lack of respect you will receive from the body of Christ.

**** YOU_ GET OFF THIS FORUM!

 

[Charlie24]

**** YOU_ GET OFF THIS FORUM!

Just showing you why you can't get along with Christians.

 

[Bill]

Dear Brother,
Your intent might not have been to be deceptive, but you were. If you had been up front with your belief that as you stated "The pre-tribulation Rapture is the false teaching from the Devil", then everyone reading the tread from its inception would have known what they were getting into if they replied to your post.

Many here like to toss out the "devil's teaching" or any disagreement they may have as also being of the devil since they do not agree with the position the others hold. Doing so without proof that the devil is the originator of said doctrines, which you cannot do, is not seeking to break bread to truly find out what Scripture and God wants us to know. It automatically creates division, and makes all participants defensive, which rarely if ever allows for a consensus to be achieved in what Scripture actually says. In fact, nothing is achieved, but closing the minds of those who might have come to understand your reasoning or yours theirs. Maybe you would have had less responses by being up front, but at least the respondents would have not been caught unawares of the position you actually hold.

What actions speak to the devil's movements/desires more? Division or unity, even if it is to agree to disagree?

As I have told others here. You are welcomed to have your account closed and move off to another site more accepting of what you believe to be true. Especially, if you cannot accept differing tenets others hold and fall within Protestant beliefs without attributing them to the devil as a retort. If you do move on, I truly hope your travels in the Lord, will find you a site more accommodating to "all" your beliefs. Just let me know if you would like to continue, or have your account closed.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator/YBIC
Nick
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I have to disagree with you on this. To call it a teaching of the devil.

A teaching that is false, that will lead to the ruin of many (millions). - once it comes to its conclusion, many will commit suicide-many will reject Jesus.

I can not stay quiet on nor wait till it happens just to save my face or to be nice.

It would be as bad as a German not standing up for the Jews during early stages of Nazi Germany.

Otherwise, i am even worse, "guilty" to not stand against it.

 

[Bill]

In every instance where the word 'firstborn' is used, whether it's about the firstborn among the brethren, or the firstborn over all creation, or the firstborn from among the dead, or the firstborn into the world - or anything else - it always implies a beginning! NOT ONCE does it imply ETERNAL. The Textus Receptus uses the terminology, "BEFORE-most-BROUGHT-FORTH."

HERE'S A CHALLENGE...

Quote just ONE verse where FIRSTBORN implies ETERNAL! You can't do it because ONE doesn't exist!
______________________________________________________________________________________________

And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn G4416 son: and he called his name JESUS.

And she brought forth her firstborn G4416 son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn G4416 among many brethren.

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn G4416 of every creature:

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn G4416 from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten G4416 into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn G4416 should touch them.

To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, G4416 which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten G4416 of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

In every instance where the word 'firstborn' is used, whether it's about the firstborn among the brethren, or the firstborn over all creation, or the firstborn from among the dead, or the firstborn into the world - or anything else - it always implies a beginning! NOT ONCE does it imply ETERNAL. The Textus Receptus uses the terminology, "BEFORE-most-BROUGHT-FORTH."

What is G4416?

 

[Twistie]

Do you guys ever do your own homework?

To be kept from the hour of temptation has nothing to do with a removal from it - but to be guarded and protected against it.

Kept...

to attend to carefully, take care of, to guard, metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he in, to observe to reserve: to undergo something.

Pre-trib is one of the most diabolical abominations of a heresy to EVER enter this debacle of a religion. I hate it and what it has done to deceive people. The rapture is very simple to understand. Jesus clearly explained when it would occur!!

Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

I believe the Word over any man so many filled up on mans words they have no room to swallow the Word of YH sadly..

 

[Christ4Ever]

I have to disagree with you on this. To call it a teaching of the devil.

A teaching that is false, that will lead to the ruin of many (millions). - once it comes to its conclusion, many will commit suicide-many will reject Jesus.

I can not stay quiet on nor wait till it happens just to save my face or to be nice.

It would be as bad as a German not standing up for the Jews during early stages of Nazi Germany.

Otherwise, i am even worse, "guilty" to not stand against it.

Dear Brother,
It all comes to the timing. It is as I have stated. If your position/belief was included in the first post no problem but doing so in the later posting was the problem which is what you did.
It has little to do with your actual belief, though I do not share it, but again, not sharing your belief upfront in the first post, but waiting until later in the thread is!

Be that as it may, it is water under the bridge, and I will leave well enough alone.
However, you now know my concern in your methodology. Please do not do it again.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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[lentz]

Good idea. Close my account. Lentz was a perpetual pestual and ******* and nothing was ever done. You're a ******* moron!

Do I hear my name taken in vain?

 

[Br. Bear]

**** YOU_ GET OFF THIS FORUM!

On whose authority, please?

 

[Br. Bear]

They all disagree with one another and even condemn one another over those disagreements.

As you have done in your postings.

hypocritical

 

[Br. Bear]

You're a ******* moron!

Who are you calling a 'moron' ?