The One Event

[samahah]

Respectfully disagree as the Trinity doctrine puts you out from the understanding of the true meaning of Gods word(plan). If Jesus was just a Son that
attained to His position as a glorified life giving Spirit, i.e proclaimed to be God by the Father, then it is possible for you to come to the same place.
If however He always was God as Trinity proclaims then you have no chance of attaining to the same height because your not starting on equal ground.

Like I said respectfully disagree.

Trinity is diabolical heresy. Are you saying that those of us who reject trinity means you're not a Christian?

Some Trinitarians are still afraid to change their mind. The sensible ones have gotten away from it. In my 50+ years of being a believer, I've NEVER believed it. 50% of Christians now say it's baloney. People are shunned, shamed and condemned for rejecting it. It's the norm today for Christians to judge and bad-mouth one another. One 'Christian' tears the other apart and openly destroys the character of his own brothers and sisters, and the cause of Christ as well.

Trinitarian BIG SHOTS like John MacArthur will never come clean. There are millions of TRINITARIAN authors who over the course of 1,700 years have written countless books and articles on TRINITY. Today’s notable Trinitarians like MacArthur, his little student, Barnett, and thousands of others would NEVER admit Trinity is clearly FALSE and come out of the Trinitarianism.

Christians DO NOT admit mistakes! If they were to admit Trinity is ONE BIG MISTAKE, that throws the ‘authority, legitimacy and reputation’ of thousands of well-respected influential Trinitarian authors under the bus!

Proof of this is the way Trinitarians treated T.D. Jakes after he came OUT of the diabolical Trinitarian closet. They did everything they did to destroy his character and reputation. E.W. Bullinger was the secretary of the Trinitarian Society. On his death bed he revealed his rejection of trinity. He knew that had he disclosed his rejection of Trinity beforehand, his works would have never been published.

Trinitarians are nasty and evil people.

Trinity is the most divisive, destructive, and contradictory doctrine in Christianity. I believe it was devised by demons to divide the church. Thousands have been tortured and murdered for rejecting it. The doctrine was devised over a period of about 300 years by the Bishops of Rome. (Not Tertullian) The Protestants, many of whom label Rome and Catholicism as the harlot. the beast, and the ***** of Babylon have simply adopted it into their theology.

Trinity has become a cult within Christianity. Diehard Trinitarians have been in damage control since the doctrine's development.
That's why they, "Close the Crash Doors" and shame and shun people.

This TRINITY doctrine is responsible for driving thousands OUT of Christianity. About half of all Christians today DO NOT believe in the man-made demon devised Trinity! (PEW)

 

[samahah]

Trinitarian says, "Jesus is equal in power to God the Father."
Jesus says, the God the Father is greater.
Jesus says, "He can do nothing on his own.

Trinitarian says, "Jesus is equal to God the Father in knowledge.
Jesus said, "Only the Father know the day and hour of Jesus' return.
Trinitarian says, "

Trinitarian says, "Jesus is fully God and fully man.
Paul says, Jesus was fully human in every way!
"For this reason he had to be made like them,[fn] fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people."

fn: Like his brethren.
Yes, trinitarian Christians destroy Christianity. Thousands were tortured and murdered over this demonic doctrine. Close to 50% of Christians now believe Jesus is NOT God. My heart is destroyed over this diabolical man-made demon divised Trinity doctrine where one Christian condemns the other. The ironic thing is this doctrine comes from a Church many Evangelical Protestants label as, "The ***** of Babylon!"

If Jesus was God that makes him a fraud and the cross a hoax!

We know that God cannot be tempted and cannot sin. IF Jesus WAS God, that means he's a fraud because he could not have been tempted to sin anyway making him a complete fraud and the cross a complete hoax with ZERO atonement for sin.

Christianity is what I know but it's no longer my gig. I've become a member of the DONES AND NONES. Done with the religion of Christianity or any organized religion. Done with trinitarian Christians. I'll work out my own salvation void of Christianity.

 

[samahah]

Dear Brother,
Oh, the JW's were not the only ones. A Christian leader Harold Camping in I believe 2011 said the World was ending. Told everyone to sell everything they had too so it could be invested in spreading the news!!! Which sadly, many did. Needless to say, it didn't happen.

It will or it won't happen. That should not be the focus for believers. Too often that is what people focus on instead of being about the business we are told to be about!

However, that little interlude is not why I replied to your post. In creating this thread and wording the opening thread the way you did; it was made to appear that you were not biased on the Rapture. It turns out you are. How did you say it "The pre-tribulation Rapture is the false teaching from the Devil." Pretty clear positional stance if you ask me! Maybe if you had added that comment to the opening thread, I'd have no problem with it. People have many positions on this and have voiced them here as well! However, it is how somethings are done/said that can make all the difference. That is the case here.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator/YBIC
Nick
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I have to agree with Bill - Pre-trib is a demonically devised heresy of man.

 

[samahah]

Dear Samahah,
For you to describe others as being fools and morons, who believe other than how you do...I can agree to disagree with someone, but rather than show the love of the Lord who also died for those very same ones you call such, in fact who you were also, is a shame.

If you continue in such a vein, then you are in the wrong place (Talk Jesus) to have discussions with others here and might be best for you to move on to somewhere else.

We allow for disagreements but will not accept the tags being given to them for their belief as you have done here. Some beliefs are not compatible with Talk Jesus which is a Protestant site that also believes in the Trinity, oh, and how Creation is spoken of in Genesis.

Again, if you continue to describe those in disagreement with you as you have done here, then leave and see if other sites are more accepting of how you have chosen to describe others.

If you cannot accept staying here without talking about others as you have done, then let me know and I will endeavor to have your account closed.

With the love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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Good idea. Close my account. Lentz was a perpetual pestual and ******* and nothing was ever done. You're a ******* moron!

 

[Charlie24]

Have you ever noticed that not being appointed to wrath is attributed to SALVATION NOT a rapture?

"But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,"

So, you've fallen for the fabricated nonsense that Jesus was talking about JEWS in Mathew 24 - not Christians?

I believe every word Jesus said - and he said the gathering happens at the end of tribulation. to cover up that truth, pre-tribbers have had to add another rapture and change the meaning of the Parousia and the Day of the lord.

You guys have no problem perverting the hell out of His words.

I often ask myself, "What the heck am I doing amongst these morons in this debacle of a religion?"

I hate Trinity, Pre-trib, Preterism, Calvinism, Fundamentalism and literal six-day creationism. All of it is nonsense. Prosperity preachers and senseless Christian doctrines are literally driving people OUT of Christianity. Pre-trib, Trinity, and literal six-day creationism are diabolical foolishness.

Yes, I get it, you HATE the pre-trib theory, lol, there's no doubt of that.

Paul tells us "we are not appointed to wrath" in context to the resurrection where the saints who are alive at this time are "caught up," snatched away from His wrath on the unbelieving world.

This is the resurrection of the just, the resurrection of the unjust takes place 1000 years later, after the millennial reign of Christ. There is no credible reason not to take this 1000 years as literal.

Rev. 20:4-6
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

 

[Charlie24]

Yes, I get it, you HATE the pre-trib theory, lol, there's no doubt of that.

Paul tells us "we are not appointed to wrath" in context to the resurrection where the saints who are alive at this time are "caught up," snatched away from His wrath on the unbelieving world.

This is the resurrection of the just, the resurrection of the unjust takes place 1000 years later, after the millennial reign of Christ. There is no credible reason not to take this 1000 years as literal.

Rev. 20:4-6
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

The reason you hate the pre-trib theory is because you don't understand it.

I will explain it for you, but there is much explaining to do and it can't be done in a few or even several posts.

There are many things from Scripture that must be understood before you can grasp an understanding of the pre-trib theory.

 

[Samson2020]

if you wouldn't mind. Please read the first chapter of the Gospel of John and explain to me what it says.

Ok lets look at the Greek word "Logos" interpreted as "word".

Logos- "Reason", "word", "speech", or "principle". In Greek philosophy, it related to a universal, "divine reason" or the "mind of God".

When you give someone your word do you write down what it is your going to do or accomplish? Example home improvement project. Contractor gives a written
estimate of work to be performed, what time frame til completion and cost. So he is giving a written contract of his word as to cost, workmanship, and finishing time.

Thus a PLAN of action.

now insert "reason" everywhere the word logos was interpreted as word.

In the beginning was the reason, and the reason was with God, and the reason was God.
In the beginning was the plan, and the plan was with God, and the plan was God.

Jesus taught the "word" to anybody that could hear Him. So was He teaching Himself to be God or was He teaching a plan to become one?
And, by god, I mean a life giving spirit and i'll leave it there for now. 1 Co 15:45

Now there is only 1 God, and 1 mediator between God and men the man Christ Jesus. 1 Ti 2:5 He can't be God and be the mediator between himself and men.
The mediator(JC) is now a life giving spirit, who has received that life from the only TRUE GOD our/His Father. Thus He too is called a God by the Father Heb 1:8
This is the fulfilling of John 1:1 in that the reason God started all this human thing was to bring part of Himself unto a higher level than just being a part of Him.
Each spirit in a human is/was a part of God and is intended to be god on a level that does not require it to be sustained by the Father for they themselves
will have become self sustaining once their faith has been perfected and glorification has been attained. 1Co 15:28 "And when all things shall be subdued unto
Him(Jesus), then shall THE SON ALSO HIMSELF BE SUBJECTED UNTO HIM that put all things under Him, that GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL." How is this co-equal?
Here we have a pic of what is the outcome of Gods WORD, REASON, PLAN.
And it also completely agrees with John 1:1 And the plan was God.

Jesus was a man period. The Holy Ghost over shadowed Mary and through, shall we say AI, the conception occurred. The spirit named Jesus was placed
in that body and a man born under the law was created. He was selected by the Father to reverse the spiritual death that sinners suffer.
"By man came death, so by man came also the resurrection of the dead." 1 Co 15:21

The sower soweth the "word". The sower soweth the "plan"? the reason?
Making the "word" of God of none effect through your tradition? The "plan" of God of none effect through your tradition.
And He preached the "word" unto them. And He preached the "plan" unto them.

"These things sayeth the Amen, the faithful and true witness(Jesus), the beginning of the creation of God." He can't be a creation OF God and be God!
And this would agree with the reason why man was created so that he would become what Jesus, beginning as a man, is.

Its rather simple in that the use of the WORD here makes the verses misrepresented. And misunderstood.

In the beginning God had a plan, and that plan was with Him, and His plan was more of Himself. I'd say He did a pretty good job in that most can't tell the
difference between the Father and the Son(first finished product of the plan-God) so they lump them up as one and the same.

Did not Jesus say that life eternal was to know "Thee(the Father) the ONLY TRUE GOD, And Jesus Christ whom thou has sent." John 17:3

 

[Samson2020]

Are you saying that those of us who reject trinity means you're not a Christian?

No as I am anti trinitarian myself. The post I made states that Trinity doctrine is the biggest lie in the doctrinal realm.

 

[Bill]

Trinitarian says, "Jesus is equal in power to God the Father."
Jesus says, the God the Father is greater.
Jesus says, "He can do nothing on his own.

Trinitarian says, "Jesus is equal to God the Father in knowledge.
Jesus said, "Only the Father know the day and hour of Jesus' return.
Trinitarian says, "

Trinitarian says, "Jesus is fully God and fully man.
Paul says, Jesus was fully human in every way!
"For this reason he had to be made like them,[fn] fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people."

fn: Like his brethren.
Yes, trinitarian Christians destroy Christianity. Thousands were tortured and murdered over this demonic doctrine. Close to 50% of Christians now believe Jesus is NOT God. My heart is destroyed over this diabolical man-made demon divised Trinity doctrine where one Christian condemns the other. The ironic thing is this doctrine comes from a Church many Evangelical Protestants label as, "The ***** of Babylon!"

If Jesus was God that makes him a fraud and the cross a hoax!

We know that God cannot be tempted and cannot sin. IF Jesus WAS God, that means he's a fraud because he could not have been tempted to sin anyway making him a complete fraud and the cross a complete hoax with ZERO atonement for sin.

Christianity is what I know but it's no longer my gig. I've become a member of the DONES AND NONES. Done with the religion of Christianity or any organized religion. Done with trinitarian Christians. I'll work out my own salvation void of Christianity.

It is the Mystery of God. There is no doubt about that.

I think of it often like a candle, the Trinity. The three parts of the candle are the wick, the wax, and the fire.

The fire being that of the Holy Spirit.
As we know the Holy Spirit draws us to Jesus. And as the fire of the candle draws us to look at the candle in the first place. Or draws them off to the fire you might say.

The wax is what we know of God, basically Jesus. It's what we see mostly of the Trinity.

And the candle wick, is God the Father. Hidden mostly but only revealed through the Son of God. As the wax melts we only see a little bit of the wick.

It is certainly a mystery if you think about it, the Trinity is One entity by itself. And yet the three beings in the Trinity are each individuals. The Father creates everything for his Son Jesus. And Jesus sends us the Holy Spirit to teach us the truth. And it's only through Jesus that we can reach the Father

 

[Bill]

Good idea. Close my account. Lentz was a perpetual pestual and ******* and nothing was ever done. You're a ******* moron!

All right stop. We need to stop this type of talk. We are all adults here, not children.

There are better ways to insult people. LOL as an example I'm from Michigan. And if you're not from Michigan then you can just tell me that I'm part Indian because when you ask a person from Michigan what part of the state they're from they raise up their hand.

A joke from Jay Leno

You have to remember this is a chat line. So whoever you're insulting it probably goes through one ear and out the other.

 

[Bill]

No as I am anti trinitarian myself. The post I made states that Trinity doctrine is the biggest lie in the doctrinal realm.

I guess I can't understand that thinking of no Trinity. I guess the primary reason is there's so many things that point at the number three in the Bible.

Maybe we should start another thread altogether with all this. Or maybe I should

 

[Bill]

Dear Brother,
Oh, the JW's were not the only ones. A Christian leader Harold Camping in I believe 2011 said the World was ending. Told everyone to sell everything they had too so it could be invested in spreading the news!!! Which sadly, many did. Needless to say, it didn't happen.

It will or it won't happen. That should not be the focus for believers. Too often that is what people focus on instead of being about the business we are told to be about!

However, that little interlude is not why I replied to your post. In creating this thread and wording the opening thread the way you did; it was made to appear that you were not biased on the Rapture. It turns out you are. How did you say it "The pre-tribulation Rapture is the false teaching from the Devil." Pretty clear positional stance if you ask me! Maybe if you had added that comment to the opening thread, I'd have no problem with it. People have many positions on this and have voiced them here as well! However, it is how somethings are done/said that can make all the difference. That is the case here.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator/YBIC
Nick
\o/
<><

I reread the opening of what I wrote. And I have no intention of being deceptive. The focus was to ask people who are into the pre-tribulation Raptor thinking if they could just pinpoint some event that would take place after the Rapture. Something to let me know that the Rapture should have taken place.

And I did state in my opening that I was staying behind.

 

[Samson2020]

I guess I can't understand that thinking of no Trinity.

It's just that the way it is presented as Co-eternal, co-equal persons.
If the Son is equal to the Father then why did He say that the Father is GREATER than I? John 14:28
If the Son was co-eternal then why was it necessary for the Father to give life to the Son to have within Himself? John 5:26

The progression of life giving is presented in John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given unto us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
The same life Jesus received from His Father to give to us. If Jesus needed to receive it to be able to give it then He wasn't God to begin with, but was as
the Bible states a MAN just like us who became a life giving spirit.

 

[Bill]

I started a new thread on the trinity. Let us discuss this on that thread

 

[Christ4Ever]

Trinitarians are nasty and evil people.

Dear samahah,
Then what are you doing on this site called Talk Jesus?
If you have read the statement of faith on the site which I hope you have, you will find that we are a Protestant/Trinity believing site. If you have not a link is located at the bottom of each page that will allow you to access the Statement of Faith for Talk Jesus.

That you have identified us who believe in the Trinity, as "nasty and evil people", it might be better if you were to leave this site, and seek one more accommodating to what you believe, and who will treat you better than you have so far been treated here.

With your permission, I will request your account be closed. Please let me know your decision as to closing your account. However, if you want to keep it open, I suggest you stop attacking those who believe differently than you do, especially as it pertains to the Trinity.

I truly desire the best for you in wherever your travels in the Lord will take you should you want your account closed.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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<><

 

[Christ4Ever]

I reread the opening of what I wrote. And I have no intention of being deceptive. The focus was to ask people who are into the pre-tribulation Raptor thinking if they could just pinpoint some event that would take place after the Rapture. Something to let me know that the Rapture should have taken place.

And I did state in my opening that I was staying behind.

Dear Brother,
Your intent might not have been to be deceptive, but you were. If you had been up front with your belief that as you stated "The pre-tribulation Rapture is the false teaching from the Devil", then everyone reading the tread from its inception would have known what they were getting into if they replied to your post.

Many here like to toss out the "devil's teaching" or any disagreement they may have as also being of the devil since they do not agree with the position the others hold. Doing so without proof that the devil is the originator of said doctrines, which you cannot do, is not seeking to break bread to truly find out what Scripture and God wants us to know. It automatically creates division, and makes all participants defensive, which rarely if ever allows for a consensus to be achieved in what Scripture actually says. In fact, nothing is achieved, but closing the minds of those who might have come to understand your reasoning or yours theirs. Maybe you would have had less responses by being up front, but at least the respondents would have not been caught unawares of the position you actually hold.

What actions speak to the devil's movements/desires more? Division or unity, even if it is to agree to disagree?

As I have told others here. You are welcomed to have your account closed and move off to another site more accepting of what you believe to be true. Especially, if you cannot accept differing tenets others hold and fall within Protestant beliefs without attributing them to the devil as a retort. If you do move on, I truly hope your travels in the Lord, will find you a site more accommodating to "all" your beliefs. Just let me know if you would like to continue, or have your account closed.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator/YBIC
Nick
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[samahah]

Dear samahah,
Then what are you doing on this site called Talk Jesus?
If you have read the statement of faith on the site which I hope you have, you will find that we are a Protestant/Trinity believing site. If you have not a link is located at the bottom of each page that will allow you to access the Statement of Faith for Talk Jesus.

That you have identified us who believe in the Trinity, as "nasty and evil people", it might be better if you were to leave this site, and seek one more accommodating to what you believe, and who will treat you better than you have so far been treated here.

With your permission, I will request your account be closed. Please let me know your decision as to closing your account. However, if you want to keep it open, I suggest you stop attacking those who believe differently than you do, especially as it pertains to the Trinity.

I truly desire the best for you in wherever your travels in the Lord will take you should you want your account closed.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
\o/
<><

I'm going to be quite honest with you and nice at the same time. I don't call myself a Christian because it associates me with too many people that I don't care for, and too many outrageous senseless beliefs. All my life, I've struggled with Christians. Even in my 20's I've had some terrible experiences with church and esp. PASTORS - which I came close to becoming. I only did it for 9 to 10 months (1975). In my 40's another horrible experience. Five of us left the church over the nonsense. Millions of people have left the church. They are called the DONES and NONES.

Christianity is in decline and it's not only the prosperity preachers causing it. It's hypocrisy, judgmentalism, and senseless DOCTRINAL BELIEFS.

50% of believers now say Trinity is baloney. I thank God for that.

I'm not the only one who thinks Christians are stupid. Millions of people believe they are because they've proven themselves to be stupid.

Think about this...

Jesus said the Father is greater.
Trinity says they are equal.

Jesus said He doesn't know when he will return PROVING he is NOT omniscient.
Trinity says Jesus is omniscient.

Trinity says Jesus is fully God.
Jesus never said he was God and had multiple opportunities to do so. In my 50 plus years, I have never seen even ONE verse that says that. Hebrews 2:17 says Jesus was fully man IN EVERY WAY!

Jesus said the gathering occurs after tribulation.
Pre-trib Christians pervert his words and say after.

I'm tired of the stupidity.

The internet and television have contributed to Christianity's demise. Believers and unbelievers see all the disagreements, the hypocrisy, judgmentalism, etc. They all disagree with one another and even condemn one another over those disagreements.

IFB'S, Calvinist, Pre-tribbers, and KJV only folks are a BAD influence on the unbelieving world. Seventh Day Adventist are the worse for condemning over a billion Sunday worshippers and claiming that "the BEASTS" emerge from within Catholicism. Trinitarians - regardless of Denomination - also bring a lot of judgmentalism into the mix.

Christians are Christianity's worse enemy. They are the #1 cause of Atheism in the world. The bible is the 2nd cause of Atheism AND Agnosticism.

Between the bible and Christians, the average person's opinion is of Christianity reflects what we all see in people like Ken Copeland, Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, Joel Osteen, Ken Copeland, Todd White, Paula White, Joyce Meyer, Joseph Prince, Jesse Duplantis, etc. These people reflect what Christianity is about! Then, to top it all off - unbelievers tend to think the Pope represents ALL of Christianity. Unbelievers see one church demonize the other. Protestants seem to enjoy Catholic bashing and pope demonization, and they are full of misinformation and outright lies.

And then, - you have people the KJV only nonsense - and some claim that all the other translations are Satanic bibles straight from the pits of hell!

The two main causes will always stand. Christians and the bible are the two major forces driving people OUT of church and into apathy, irrelevance, Agnosticism and Atheism today. Considering all this, they see no logical reason to believe in a God whose followers are judgmental, offensive, and hypocritical.

Bottom line for me is I can't stand most Christians. That's why I go to an Open and Affirming church where I can believe what I want without having someone tell me I'm going to burn for eternity for rejecting the diabolical Trinity.

Thanks for reading my rant and I apologize.

Proverbs

It is not an enemy who taunts me—
I could bear that.
It is not my foes who so arrogantly insult me—
I could have hidden from them.

Instead, it is you—my equal,
my companion and close friend.

What good fellowship we once enjoyed
as we walked together to the house of God.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear @samahah
So, do you want to keep your account open, or do you want me to close it?

Your decision, but it will become ours (staff), if you continue to call others stupid, or use other derogatory terms.
Also, understanding that this is a Protestant site, that acknowledges the Trinity as being truth, you might consider the heartache you will save yourself and others, if you were to find a more accommodating site that align more closely with what you believe, as you did with finding a church that was agreeable to you.

Not that I want to see you go. I hope you understand that. Still, if it will pain you to see so many in a deceived condition as to believe in the Trinity, it might then be best for you to move on and leave it in God's hands.

Please let me know what you decide.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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P.S. Thank-you for sharing part of your story. \o/

 

[Charlie24]

I'm going to be quite honest with you and nice at the same time. I don't call myself a Christian because it associates me with too many people that I don't care for, and too many outrageous senseless beliefs. All my life, I've struggled with Christians. Even in my 20's I've had some terrible experiences with church and esp. PASTORS - which I came close to becoming. I only did it for 9 to 10 months (1975). In my 40's another horrible experience. Five of us left the church over the nonsense. Millions of people have left the church. They are called the DONES and NONES.

Christianity is in decline and it's not only the prosperity preachers causing it. It's hypocrisy, judgmentalism, and senseless DOCTRINAL BELIEFS.

50% of believers now say Trinity is baloney. I thank God for that.

I'm not the only one who thinks Christians are stupid. Millions of people believe they are because they've proven themselves to be stupid.

Think about this...

Jesus said the Father is greater.
Trinity says they are equal.

Jesus said He doesn't know when he will return PROVING he is NOT omniscient.
Trinity says Jesus is omniscient.

Trinity says Jesus is fully God.
Jesus never said he was God and had multiple opportunities to do so. In my 50 plus years, I have never seen even ONE verse that says that. Hebrews 2:17 says Jesus was fully man IN EVERY WAY!

Jesus said the gathering occurs after tribulation.
Pre-trib Christians pervert his words and say after.

I'm tired of the stupidity.

The internet and television have contributed to Christianity's demise. Believers and unbelievers see all the disagreements, the hypocrisy, judgmentalism, etc. They all disagree with one another and even condemn one another over those disagreements.

IFB'S, Calvinist, Pre-tribbers, and KJV only folks are a BAD influence on the unbelieving world. Seventh Day Adventist are the worse for condemning over a billion Sunday worshippers and claiming that "the BEASTS" emerge from within Catholicism. Trinitarians - regardless of Denomination - also bring a lot of judgmentalism into the mix.

Christians are Christianity's worse enemy. They are the #1 cause of Atheism in the world. The bible is the 2nd cause of Atheism AND Agnosticism.

Between the bible and Christians, the average person's opinion is of Christianity reflects what we all see in people like Ken Copeland, Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, Joel Osteen, Ken Copeland, Todd White, Paula White, Joyce Meyer, Joseph Prince, Jesse Duplantis, etc. These people reflect what Christianity is about! Then, to top it all off - unbelievers tend to think the Pope represents ALL of Christianity. Unbelievers see one church demonize the other. Protestants seem to enjoy Catholic bashing and pope demonization, and they are full of misinformation and outright lies.

And then, - you have people the KJV only nonsense - and some claim that all the other translations are Satanic bibles straight from the pits of hell!

The two main causes will always stand. Christians and the bible are the two major forces driving people OUT of church and into apathy, irrelevance, Agnosticism and Atheism today. Considering all this, they see no logical reason to believe in a God whose followers are judgmental, offensive, and hypocritical.

Bottom line for me is I can't stand most Christians. That's why I go to an Open and Affirming church where I can believe what I want without having someone tell me I'm going to burn for eternity for rejecting the diabolical Trinity.

Thanks for reading my rant and I apologize.

Proverbs

It is not an enemy who taunts me—
I could bear that.
It is not my foes who so arrogantly insult me—
I could have hidden from them.

Instead, it is you—my equal,
my companion and close friend.

What good fellowship we once enjoyed
as we walked together to the house of God.

Samahah, you can't get along with Christians because you refuse to accept the truth of Scripture.

You say that Christ is not equal with God, that is not what Paul said.

Phil. 2:6

"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

Jesus is equal with God, and He is God, whether you choose to believe it or not.

 

[samahah]

Samahah, you can't get along with Christians because you refuse to accept the truth of Scripture.

You say that Christ is not equal with God, that is not what Paul said.

Phil. 2:6

"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

Jesus is equal with God, and He is God, whether you choose to believe it or not.

The word FORM/morphe doesn't refer to Jesus' inner nature', it refers to an outward appearance or outward manifestation. The Bible speaks of evil men who have a “form” (morphosis) of godliness. That's what it means. Jesus is equal to God in his godliness, NOT his inner nature. It refers to his outward appearance as a human being. Jesus represents God in every thought and deed. He perfectly represented the Father.

When Jesus appeared to the two men on the road to Emmaus. Mark tells us that Jesus appeared “in a different form (morphe)” to the two men WHO didn't recognize him (16:12). This is very clear. Jesus did not have a different nature, he simply had a different outward appearance.

So, according to you, the bible is contradictory. Jesus said he was NOT equal to the Father! Paul said Jesus was FULLY HUMAN IN EVERY WAY! I BELIEVE JESUS, AND I BELIEVE PAUL - OR WHOEVER WROTE HEBREWS.

"For this reason he had to be made like them,[fn] fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people."