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show me a person check book and we can easily tell whear there heart is
The preachers getting rich from poor Americans
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show me a person check book and we can easily tell whear there heart is
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Dave that is nonsense. There is no way you can know what's in there heart by looking at a check book.
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Dave....You know that that is merely an opinion. Right or wrong, you are expressing an opinion and nothing concrete. For years you have expressed a loathing for money yet you go out every single day and break your back (figuratively speaking) to get money.... Why? Because that money is a tool that you need to get groceries, shelter and the like for your family....You also spend that money on toys, treats, and other "frivolous" stuff. Can I assume by your spending on the frivolous that you are not in the best shape spiritually?
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That is not always the case. Many people put on a false facade around other Christians but when they are not around them the real them comes out.
They act all religious but trouble comes and they blame God and get mean.
They look the same as the lost when they think no one is looking.
You know the type.
Blessings
Dave M. -- years ago, back when people still did use checks most of the time - that would have been true. What they spent their money On. Unfortunately, the debt/ credit cards are far more widely used. I'm probably one of the few people who still Does write checks. But I also give to church in cash. And there are more and more people who give to church on-line. I don't do Anything on-line. Well -- except for on-line direct deposit for my phone each month. And S.S. payments are auto-deposit.
But a person's shopping cart is a good look at people's eating habits. What's spent on junk food. The vehicles in their drive-way -- boats, etc.
So -- how many people are out on the lake on weekends -- in stead of being at church. What kind of clothes are being warn. Walmart or big name stores.
And a person generally lives in the income bracket they can afford. The lower, middle or upper-income bracket.
And you are a good , hard working person. You Do have an occupation and you spent lots of time doing a good job at what you Do. You provide a service for people.
And people Can be pains to work with. But they still pay you for your occupational service. And it's called earning a living.
Actually -- read a person's monthly bank statement -- VISA , etc. If they're willing to share it. That will tell it's own interesting story.
But a person's shopping cart is a good look at people's eating habits. What's spent on junk food. The vehicles in their drive-way -- boats, etc.
So -- how many people are out on the lake on weekends -- in stead of being at church. What kind of clothes are being warn. Walmart or big name stores.
And a person generally lives in the income bracket they can afford. The lower, middle or upper-income bracket.
And you are a good , hard working person. You Do have an occupation and you spent lots of time doing a good job at what you Do. You provide a service for people.
And people Can be pains to work with. But they still pay you for your occupational service. And it's called earning a living.
Actually -- read a person's monthly bank statement -- VISA , etc. If they're willing to share it. That will tell it's own interesting story.
KingJ. --how many rich people do you know? Just because a person is rich does Not mean they dress immodestly. Or are you suggesting that any income above a certain point is living in an extravagant manner that is not proper for a Christian? So 'above a certain income' is of necessity to be given away? Scripture says there will Always be the rich and the poor in this world. Sometimes being 'poor' is the result of very poor money management skills. The person squanders what they Do have on 'junk'. Not being good stewards of what they Do earn.
Since when were Old Testament men such as Abraham / Job / Solomon not Christian? They were as much Christian as Christians are today. Maybe I should be more specific -- born-again believers. People in That time looked forward To a promise that they were never actually able To see fulfilled. But 'by Faith' / Hebrew 11 and 'we' look back At. The cross. And those who were living at the time Of the Cross didn't automatically accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah.
You'd think that Living at that time, a person could See what was happening and 'of Course' they'd accept Jesus Christ / His shed blood.
Pure 'communism' -- believer were encouraged to do that. The communities put everything in a common 'community pot' and all could benefit from that. And there's Also the passage that says -- if you don't work , ya don't eat. So - apparently -- that system was abused.
We Are to take care of our personal household First and Then work within the community we are living in and Then spread out to the 'rest of the world'.
The 'starving' children are Sometimes the fault of the culture they live in. Some cultures see cattle as Special -- they roam the streets / ancestor worship / while their people go hungry,
And some governments Won't take in supplies from other countries.
IF YOU personally feel led to help feed all the starving children, by all means Do so. No one is stopping you.
Christianity 101 -- the blood of Christ is sufficient. No good works on our part are needed to complete a person's salvation.
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Greetings Sue,
Now that's a lot of judging others by your standards.
Come on where a person shops or what they do on the weekend ..... Really?
Sure Glad the Father doesn't sum up people like that.
Blessings
@Wired 4 Fishen -- I'm simply sharing what's going on in this world. Ya know -- that 'thing' about being able To know where/how a person Is spending their money.
What in my post was saying I'm Judging anyone. Just good ole observation of People.
God Does know our hearts and our hearts Are 'seen' by our spending and our attitudes. And the only way Other people 'see' us is by our actions, how we spend our money , where we Go.
What in my post was saying I'm Judging anyone. Just good ole observation of People.
God Does know our hearts and our hearts Are 'seen' by our spending and our attitudes. And the only way Other people 'see' us is by our actions, how we spend our money , where we Go.
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Greetings again Sue,
What you are describing here is more in tune with the natural view of man.
Its the Love of God in us that should be flowing out in such a way that it draws the lost to us. Our spending or where we go should not even really matter.
When you start dictating what kind of person some one is from where they shop or what they do on the weekends etc, well you are crossing over into judgment on some set standard. In fact you were hinting on what kind of Christian they were especially when you brought up being on the lake on the weekends instead of church and their clothes etc.
So what kind of people would we be if the Pastor and a few Brothers and myself were seen on my boat in old clothes and shorts Sunday night?
Blessings and Love in Christ
@Wired 4 Fishen -- regarding your first comments -- okay the love of God flowing through us should draw people to God. Fine -- but Most people aren't Always 'letting' the love of God flow out of us 24/7 -- our neighbors are going to observe us / hear us Raising our voices to our spouse / kids -- they Will observe where we go on Sundays. No one lives in a vacuum of Christian-living. And where we go Does get observed and Should be mattering. As the saying goes - people around town see us going to church on Sunday AND spending evenings in the local bar and observing the local bar activity Negates any positive seen in going to church on Sunday. Worldly neighbors hold 'us' to a higher standard than We do. Sunday church goers Aren't supposed to go to the local bar. 'We' are Supposed to be Different.
We Are exhorted in Scripture to not forsake the assembling of ourselves together with others of like faith Because we All need Christian fellowshipping. Aren't pastors / deacons supposed to be setting a Positive example for others? If churches don't have Sunday evening services, aren't they supposed to be hosting small groups on Sunday evenings or some other evening during the week in their neighborhood so as to have an informal way to share with their neighbors?
As for the boating with the pastor and a few of the men from church, people Have been known to say that 'we can worship God / study our Bible just as well on our boat on a beautiful lake as we can in church'. But, Do they ? And -- I Do recall hearing on TV at the beginning of summer 'boating season' a warning about Not throwing empty beer cans/ bottles into the water after boaters are finished with their drinking AND that driving a boat while intoxicated is not legal. That's It Is dangerous. AND pastors / deacons Are held to a higher standard in Scripture than the 'average Joe Blow'. NO one should Ever be able to use 'pastor and deacons' do 'it' , as an excuse to be able TO, Also.
Just because I CAN doesn't mean it's in my best interest Or the interest of those Observing me, Too Do 'it'.
Is it Really That important - necessary /To go out fishing on Sunday night? Let's see -- Friday night would be interfering with the sports game being played / watched. So Saturday afternoon would be the only other time to go. Maybe just don't spend your hard-earned money on the boat in the first place. No law Against owning the boat. But having the time to actually Use it and the expense Of and the place To use it.
And what kind of standards Are we setting for ourselves. Are they Godly standards? Or our Own standards. Where are Our standards supposed to be coming From?
We Are exhorted in Scripture to not forsake the assembling of ourselves together with others of like faith Because we All need Christian fellowshipping. Aren't pastors / deacons supposed to be setting a Positive example for others? If churches don't have Sunday evening services, aren't they supposed to be hosting small groups on Sunday evenings or some other evening during the week in their neighborhood so as to have an informal way to share with their neighbors?
As for the boating with the pastor and a few of the men from church, people Have been known to say that 'we can worship God / study our Bible just as well on our boat on a beautiful lake as we can in church'. But, Do they ? And -- I Do recall hearing on TV at the beginning of summer 'boating season' a warning about Not throwing empty beer cans/ bottles into the water after boaters are finished with their drinking AND that driving a boat while intoxicated is not legal. That's It Is dangerous. AND pastors / deacons Are held to a higher standard in Scripture than the 'average Joe Blow'. NO one should Ever be able to use 'pastor and deacons' do 'it' , as an excuse to be able TO, Also.
Just because I CAN doesn't mean it's in my best interest Or the interest of those Observing me, Too Do 'it'.
Is it Really That important - necessary /To go out fishing on Sunday night? Let's see -- Friday night would be interfering with the sports game being played / watched. So Saturday afternoon would be the only other time to go. Maybe just don't spend your hard-earned money on the boat in the first place. No law Against owning the boat. But having the time to actually Use it and the expense Of and the place To use it.
And what kind of standards Are we setting for ourselves. Are they Godly standards? Or our Own standards. Where are Our standards supposed to be coming From?
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Greetings Sue,
Just as assuming one can tell what's in a persons heart by their house or car or anything else is wrong so is even being concerned. Its not my business or your business or any one else's.
Again you assume things concerning the Pastor and Brothers going fishing Sunday night.
1. Morning Service every one there.
2. Evening Service everyone there.
3 Church over doors closed.
4 Men go to lake and fish and have fun in the Lord.
5. Men pray with a man at his wits end also at boat ramp and The Lord turns his life around.
6 Don't you think God set that up?
Don't you think God smiles when His Faithful Children enjoy what He has given them?
Its far better to judge our own lives and Trust God to take care of the others.
Have a wonderfully blessed day!
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BEWARE Rich Pastors
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How do they get the money... Simple they ask, we give
What do they do with their money... Invest it, in God... you answer it, view their net worth in the link above
Matthew 6:19-21 (NKJV)
19 "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal;
20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal.
21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
The 10 richest pastors in the world
Forbes has released a list of the richest men of God in the world and their current net worth.
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How do they get the money... Simple they ask, we give
What do they do with their money... Invest it, in God... you answer it, view their net worth in the link above
Matthew 6:19-21 (NKJV)
19 "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal;
20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal.
21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
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I got a huge problem with this report.
They include everything as in the Pastor owns. That's not true. If the Pastor left all that stuff would stay with the church or ministry.
Blessings
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One question...forsake not the gathering of yourselves together......What does that mean.... The automatic answer is "go to church" But is that really what it means? No. T
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2 Timothy 3:16-17 (KJV)
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works
So -- as a believer -- it's none of my business as to What anyone else is doing? Shouldn't we be concerned about other's ? I think So. How are we going to be able To minister to others if, as you say, we are not to be concerned -- that what's going on with others is none of 'my ' business.
Okay --NOW you're adding that church services are over with and some of the men are choosing to go to the lake to have some fun. That is changing the previous qualifiers.
And, yes, of Course it's perfectly okay To go have fun and when that situation Does arise -- you Are there to minister To that person.
And, yes, God has given us His 'nature' To enjoy.
But --- your very last comment -- you were doing so good in your revised version.
The pastors and deacons 1st responsibility is to their flock in their church and neighborhood. That means Caring about those people who go to your church. And, then, having fun and continuing to care about those around us - no matter where we/ they are.
Your next post #74 doesn't make any sense.
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Matthew 19:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
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I got a problem too brother.
They are not practicing what they preach.
So you are suggesting it is alright for a ministry to be worth 50 to 150 million dollars.
When people are hard up, living on the streets etc etc
I think not brother.
They are drawing large salaries from the ministries also.
