The Rapture

[Brother-Paul]

Your question is flawed because the tribulation period is not God's wrath.

The seven bowls of WRATH

In the Rapture God has gathered all His servants from the earth and placed them in heaven there is no place for Satan and his evil hosts anymore. They are banished to the earth with all those sinners who refused to repent time and time again. Now God is in a position to empty out His wrath and judgement over the earth, against the beast and all those who have worshipped the beast.

Seven angels are given seven bowls of WRATH, each of which unleashes a plague on the earth.

Revelation 16:1 (NKJV)
1 Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, "Go and pour out the bowls of the wrath of God on the earth."

The first bowl sends out loathsome sores to all who have the mark of the beast. (Revelation 16:2)
The second and third bowls turn the seas and the waters to blood. (Revelation 16:3-4)
The fourth bowl gives power to the sun to scorch men (Revelation 16:8-9) and
the fifth bowl fills the world with darkness and pain. (Revelation 16:10) It is written in Revelation 16:11 that “they did not repent of their deeds.”

The emptying of the sixth bowl causes the river Euphrates to dry up to prepare the way for armies from the East. The beast and the Antichrist begin to gather their armies together at the place in Israel called Armageddon, in preparation for war with God and His people, the Jews in Israel. (Revelation 16:12-16, Ezekiel 38 and 39) They will war against Israel and they will seem to be winning. (Micah 4:11) Jerusalem and the Jews are under tremendous pressure as it appears that the Antichrist and his armies are victorious.

Then the measure is full and it is time for the seventh and last bowl to be emptied, which signals the conclusion of the Great Tribulation. A loud voice cries out from heaven, “It is done.” (Revelation 16:17) There is an earthquake that is mightier than any earthquake that has happened before, cities fall, and islands and mountains disappear. Great hail falls on mankind and men blaspheme God. (Revelation 16:17-21)

Now God’s wrath has been poured over the earth. This is the moment for Christ to come down from heaven, seated on a white horse with the armies of heaven behind Him. The armies of the beast and the Antichrist cannot stand before Him. They are defeated once and for all and He delivers the Jews who were in great distress. Then their eyes will be opened and they will realise that the promised Messiah is Jesus Christ whom they crucified, and repent. (Revelation 19:11-21, Zechariah 12:8-11) The Antichrist and the beast are cast alive into the lake of fire for eternity and Satan is bound for a thousand years. (Revelation 20:1-3) Then begins the Millennium, 1000 years of peace.

 

[saginon]

The seven bowls of WRATH

In the Rapture God has gathered all His servants from the earth and placed them in heaven there is no place for Satan and his evil hosts anymore. They are banished to the earth with all those sinners who refused to repent time and time again. Now God is in a position to empty out His wrath and judgement over the earth, against the beast and all those who have worshipped the beast.

Seven angels are given seven bowls of WRATH, each of which unleashes a plague on the earth.

Revelation 16:1 (NKJV)
1 Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, "Go and pour out the bowls of the wrath of God on the earth."

The first bowl sends out loathsome sores to all who have the mark of the beast. (Revelation 16:2)
The second and third bowls turn the seas and the waters to blood. (Revelation 16:3-4)
The fourth bowl gives power to the sun to scorch men (Revelation 16:8-9) and
the fifth bowl fills the world with darkness and pain. (Revelation 16:10) It is written in Revelation 16:11 that “they did not repent of their deeds.”

The emptying of the sixth bowl causes the river Euphrates to dry up to prepare the way for armies from the East. The beast and the Antichrist begin to gather their armies together at the place in Israel called Armageddon, in preparation for war with God and His people, the Jews in Israel. (Revelation 16:12-16, Ezekiel 38 and 39) They will war against Israel and they will seem to be winning. (Micah 4:11) Jerusalem and the Jews are under tremendous pressure as it appears that the Antichrist and his armies are victorious.

Then the measure is full and it is time for the seventh and last bowl to be emptied, which signals the conclusion of the Great Tribulation. A loud voice cries out from heaven, “It is done.” (Revelation 16:17) There is an earthquake that is mightier than any earthquake that has happened before, cities fall, and islands and mountains disappear. Great hail falls on mankind and men blaspheme God. (Revelation 16:17-21)

Now God’s wrath has been poured over the earth. This is the moment for Christ to come down from heaven, seated on a white horse with the armies of heaven behind Him. The armies of the beast and the Antichrist cannot stand before Him. They are defeated once and for all and He delivers the Jews who were in great distress. Then their eyes will be opened and they will realise that the promised Messiah is Jesus Christ whom they crucified, and repent. (Revelation 19:11-21, Zechariah 12:8-11) The Antichrist and the beast are cast alive into the lake of fire for eternity and Satan is bound for a thousand years. (Revelation 20:1-3) Then begins the Millennium, 1000 years of peace.

Every verse you've quoted happen at or after the 7th - last trump which from IT to the end of the book there's only 45 days left to the consummation of the age. God has never removed people from tribulation and it's a fabricated pipe dream to say He will 7 years before His son returns. There's not one verse that says Christ returns 7 years BEFORE the Parousia. I keep telling you that God didn't remove Noah and his family from the flood but saved them through it. He didn't remove Daniel from the lion's den but saved him through it. He didn't save the three Hebrew children from the fiery furnace but save them through it. He didn't remove Job from his trials but saved him through them.

Pre-trib is one of the most deceitful, contradictory, and fabricated doctrines that has ever entered the church.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Every verse you've quoted happen at or after the 7th - last trump which from IT to the end of the book there's only 45 days left to the consummation of the age. God has never removed people from tribulation and it's a fabricated pipe dream to say He will 7 years before His son returns. There's not one verse that says Christ returns 7 years BEFORE the Parousia. I keep telling you that God didn't remove Noah and his family from the flood but saved them through it. He didn't remove Daniel from the lion's den but saved him through it. He didn't save the three Hebrew children from the fiery furnace but save them through it. He didn't remove Job from his trials but saved him through them.

Pre-trib is one of the most deceitful, contradictory, and fabricated doctrines that has ever entered the church.

Isn't it strange when you are waiting for a bus they so often come in three's.

Regardless of which option is correct, pre, mid or post-trib, those who are ready and watching for the first one, will not miss it, those who are ready and waiting for the second one, could be to late, those who are waiting for the third one could miss it completely as they thought it was 7 years off happening. I know we are not talking about buses here, we are talking of the tribulation period(s) but those who are ready, waiting and watching will not miss the Lord when He Returns, the concern is that those who have their eyes and thoughts on the end of the tribulation period, could fall asleep, their oil could run out, just like the 5 foolish virgins.

There are many views, we appear to have covered the reason for these views but, the most important message, I believe, is not when the Rapture will happen, it is Watch and Be Ready. No one knows the day or the hour.

Bless you.

 

[Sue D.]

@saginon -- the Noah and the ark 'situation' The people were warned for How many years to repent and they laughed at Noah -- the non-believers drowned -- they -- by their own choosing didn't believe ---- the 'rapture' was being in that ark.

In 'this' case -- the rapture -- Jesus Christ getting us up and out -- is the 'ark' -- the rest of non-saved mankind are left to 'drown' in the havoc of their own creating.

Daniel and the lions den is a completely different set of circumstances. God shut them mouth's of the lions. And, of course , Daniel was not expected to survive -- I believe it was the king who came early to see what had happened. Since Daniel Did survive , the king knew that Daniels' God was the real God and turned to Him.

The three Hebrew 'children' were older teens who refused to bow down to the 'whomever'. Their punishment was to be thrown into the Very , hot, fiery furnace and obviously die. But the guards saw 4 people in the furnace instead of just 3 -- and no one in that furnace had any sign of having been in it. And, yes, God protected them.

And, born-again believers are told to expect problems in life lots of tribulation because of their belief in God. But there's a big difference between That and the 7 years of tribulation that non-believers / rejectors / are going to go through.

I was just reading through the Revelation section you mentioned -- Where do you get 45 days from the consummation of the age From?!

 

[saginon]

the Noah and the ark 'situation' The people were warned for How many years to repent and they laughed at Noah -- the non-believers drowned -- they -- by their own choosing didn't believe ---- the 'rapture' was being in that ark.

It has all to do with belief. That's why believers will go through tribulation and be preserved THROUGH it - NOT removed 7 years before.

In 'this' case -- the rapture -- Jesus Christ getting us up and out -- is the 'ark' -- the rest of non-saved mankind are left to 'drown' in the havoc of their own creating.

No! Noah wasn't taken OUT. He and his family were preserved THROUGH the flood! The ark would be better compared to taking the bus out of town right before the town is nuked!

Daniel and the lions den is a completely different set of circumstances. God shut them mouth's of the lions. And, of course , Daniel was not expected to survive -- I believe it was the king who came early to see what had happened. Since Daniel Did survive , the king knew that Daniels' God was the real God and turned to Him.

AGAIN! Daniel was thrown into the lion's den just like Christians will be present during the tribulation. Daniel was saved THROUGH it!

The three Hebrew 'children' were older teens who refused to bow down to the 'whomever'. Their punishment was to be thrown into the Very , hot, fiery furnace and obviously die. But the guards saw 4 people in the furnace instead of just 3 -- and no one in that furnace had any sign of having been in it. And, yes, God protected them.

Correct, and that's what He promises to do for believers in the tribulation.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Lost souls belong to sin, the world and the devil.

Saved believers are resurrected at baptism, we are raised to new life in Christ Jesus. Lifted out, no longer belonging to sin, the world and the devil.

Noah and his 7 family members was another example, though in OT times, where God lifted him/them out as believers, above the waters.

It is therefore not hard to see, I feel, that God who gave us many examples to learn from in scripture, that Saved believers will be lifted out, Raptured, and will not suffer the woes to come, which are planned for the none believers to try get them to turn to God.

God is not going to make his own suffer to follow Him, we already follow Him. The reason for the Tribulations is as stated above to bring none believers to repentance.

 

[Sue D.]

@saginon -- on some things we will Never agree -- and 'this' is one of them.

 

[Brother-Paul]

@saginon

I'm with Sue D. on this one, as stated a few posts back...

There are many views, we appear to have covered the reason for these views but, the most important message, I believe, is not when the Rapture will happen, it is Watch and Be Ready. No one knows the day or the hour.

Bless you

 

[saginon]

Lost souls belong to sin, the world and the devil.

Saved believers are resurrected at baptism, we are raised to new life in Christ Jesus. Lifted out, no longer belonging to sin, the world and the devil.

Noah and his 7 family members was another example, though in OT times, where God lifted him/them out as believers, above the waters.

It is therefore not hard to see, I feel, that God who gave us many examples to learn from in scripture, that Saved believers will be lifted out, Raptured, and will not suffer the woes to come, which are planned for the none believers to try get them to turn to God.

God is not going to make his own suffer to follow Him, we already follow Him. The reason for the Tribulations is as stated above to bring none believers to repentance.

We are told throughout the scriptures that believers will suffer persecution AND tribulation. Do you understand and believe the following verses?

That no man should be moved by these afflictions; (tribulations) for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto. For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know. So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: [Which is] a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: Seeing [it is] a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels. In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Every verse pre-tribbers use to say they are exempt from tribulation is completely mis-interpreted or taken out of context. You didn't quote ONE verse to prove your point!

 

[saginon]

@saginon -- on some things we will Never agree -- and 'this' is one of them.

Neither you or Paul have quoted a verse stating you'll be exempt from the tribulation other than Rev. 3:10 which has nothing to do with a rapture anyway!

 

[Sue D.]

@saginon -- hope you won't be too disappointed when you get raptured up and out Before the 7 years starts. But I might have made that comment previously -- don't want to repeat myself.

 

[saginon]

@saginon -- hope you won't be too disappointed when you get raptured up and out Before the 7 years starts. But I might have made that comment previously -- don't want to repeat myself. :smile:

You're the one that's going to be disappointed when the world goes real bad, there is no one world religion or government, no global dictator - and you're still here.

 

[Sue D.]

Well -- I guess we'll just wait and see what happens.

 

[Brother-Paul]

We are told throughout the scriptures that believers will suffer persecution AND tribulation. Do you understand and believe the following verses?

We are told those things, Christians have been persecuted and experienced tribulations for their faith over the last 2000 years

That no man should be moved by these afflictions; (tribulations) for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto. For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know. So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: [Which is] a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: Seeing [it is] a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels. In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

I am aware of the scripture quoted my friend, but in the interest of all reading the posts and thread it would be most helpful if you would include the verses and translation you are quoting from. You will notice most of us do this, the majority of scripture quoted you will notice I add as follows...

2 Thessalonians 1:3-12 (NKJV)
3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other,
4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure,
5 which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer;
6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you,
7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.
11 Therefore we also pray always for you that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of His goodness and the work of faith with power,
12 that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and you in Him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

It is clear here my friend, vengeance will be on the unbelievers, not the saved, those who do not obey the Gospel, thank you for confirming the verse.

Revelation 3:10-13 (NKJV)
10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
11 Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown.
12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. And I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.
13 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches." '

The forum includes believers from milk to meat, and others, as there are so many translations, it is most helpful to all, do you not think, to include verses and Bible translations, sometimes I find translations are not clear enough, but also it is possible to quote scripture from translations which help the writers point of view. I do hope you don't mind we saying this.

Every verse pre-tribbers use to say they are exempt from tribulation is completely mis-interpreted or taken out of context. You didn't quote ONE verse to prove your point!

This is nonsense my friend, I have never pushed pre-trib to you as the only option, I have only compared the Rapture options, pre, mid, post-trib. When someone says they believe post-trib, because they cannot accept God will not allow none believers to die when the Rapture occurs, it has to be seen both ways as Sue D., myself and others have stated. e.g. Why would God allow believers to suffer the Tribulations, yet as you state God surely wouldn't let none believers suffer.

For me there appears more sense in pre-trib, or even mid-trib. than there is in post-trib. But NEVER have I said which is the only option, because none of us really knows.

With that in mind, I accept people have different views, they have had for a long time and will have until the Rapture occurs, I respect peoples decision and am willing to discuss pros and cons, for and against ideas, with an open mind, on this topic, I would never say which was right and which was wrong. What I have tried to say my friend is, you believe it will be post-trib., that is your choice, your view, I respect that, but I do repeat, based on scripture. Watch and be ready, Christ will return when we least expect, Watch and be ready at all times, He is coming soon. Then a warning from scripture we all know, those who think the Rapture will not be until the end should do so cautiously, watching always, not letting their lamps run out of old and not being like the 5 foolish virgins.

Bless you

 

[Brother-Paul]

Neither you or Paul have quoted a verse stating you'll be exempt from the tribulation other than Rev. 3:10 which has nothing to do with a rapture anyway!

Thank you for confirming Rev 3:10 I had a niggle in my mind but couldn't remember the exact wording and where it was, again thank you.

 

[Beresheet]

I understand why Christians want to believe in the rapture cause it’s a easy way out. They want it to be simple, just believe and they will be taken out of tribulation of anti christ. The rapture just don’t seem right from this stand point.

Take for intense, there are two professed Christians, both have devoted their lives to God. One believe in the rapture and the other does not. So If one believes in the rapture they get taken out of the tribulation and the one that does not believe in the rapture has to stay and go through the tribulation of anti christ. They both loved the Father and His word but one is rewarded the other is punished. Don’t make sense. God is always fair.

Another angle on the rapture is God law of free will. All of God’s children have free will to do and say as they wish, except the Elect. Rapture interferes with or breaks God’s law of free will. God will never break His law of free will for anyone. So for the rapture to be real, before anyone gets on the bus to be taken out of anti christ tribulation, each and everyone must be asked before getting on the bus, do you want to go or do you want to stay. This would be the only way it could work without breaking Gods law if free will. God can not just pick and choose who is raptured out by His own choice without going against His law of free will.

One of the main passages of rapture is in Thessalonians were they meet Him in the air. Rapture is not the subject here. One has to back up a few verses in Thess. to get the subject being spoke of. The subject here is, where are those who have already died in the flesh body. Paul stating, I don’t want you to be ignorant where the dead are. This is the subject here.

Then there is that lucky bunch of Gods children who are delivered up before anti christ to witness against him and what he stands for. Those who are delivered up are given very strict and precise instructions. Take no thought of what you will say when you are delivered up, for God will intercede and puts the words in your mind to speak. And the words given and are spoke will get the attention of all there. What a noble and just act for Gods cause.

During this time of being delivered up is the only time the unforgivable sin can be committed. For one to run their mouth and to deny the Holly Spirit to speak through them at this time, is the unforgivable sin. I feel very sure that those delivered will not make that mistake.

 

[Sue D.]

@ Beresheet -- According to Scripture -- it doesn't matter if a person believes in the rapture or not --the rapture Will take place. I won't get left Out of the rapture if I've chosen to not believe it will happen. And I won't get taken Up simply because I Do believe in it. Two born-again believers Will both be taken Up simply because they are part of the Church / Bride of Christ / and That is the group that Jesus Christ is coming back To take up with Him. The one believer might be in total shock that he's Up and with Jesus Christ -- but I kind of doubt he / she will be complaining.

The free will is concerning a person's salvation. Whether or not a person is predetermined For being saved. Those who are part of the Elect will accept Christ at some ;point before they die. It's God's Foreknowledge. 'We' do Not have that knowledge. So - as far as 'we' are concerned -- Everyone has free will to accept or reject God's plan for our salvation. John 3:16

The conditions on this earth -- in this world -- are going to get worse and worse -- especially for born-again believers. Persecution has been around for a long, long time. As have trials, tribulations. Out of God's Love for us -- He's going to get born-again believers up and Out. Our 'free will' has Nothing to do with our choosing -- do I want to go Up or stay Here when Jesus Christ Does come back for His Church / His Bride. All born-again believers Will be taken Up to meet Jesus Christ in the air. The dead first and then the living -- all in a split second of time. The twinkling of an eye.

the only reason a born-again believer might be hesitant about the rapture is because they have family or other loved ones who they know aren't born-again. NOW is the time to pray for opportunities To share the Gospel unto salvation. Or bring it up in a nice, loving, caring way. Sharing your concern For their salvation / eternal life's destination. Hopefully 'they' will accept salvation , but if 'they' Don't. Well -- it Is their personal decision. No one can save another person.

 

[Brother-Paul]

I understand why Christians want to believe in the rapture cause it’s a easy way out. They want it to be simple, just believe and they will be taken out of tribulation of anti christ. The rapture just don’t seem right from this stand point.

Take for intense, there are two professed Christians, both have devoted their lives to God. One believe in the rapture and the other does not. So If one believes in the rapture they get taken out of the tribulation and the one that does not believe in the rapture has to stay and go through the tribulation of anti christ. They both loved the Father and His word but one is rewarded the other is punished. Don’t make sense. God is always fair.

Greeting friend

We do not believe in the Rapture, we believe in Jesus. The Rapture will happen in the twinkling of an eye, no one will get chance to think about it, it will just happen because scripture says it will happen. In many ways it is good we don't get chance to think about it, the simple fact is, believe in Jesus, be Saved, your Name is in the Book of Life and the lamb, if you are living on earth when the Rapture happens, when ever it happens, you will meet with the Lord in the Sky and go to the Current Heaven with Him.

 

[Brother-Paul]

@ Beresheet -- According to Scripture -- it doesn't matter if a person believes in the rapture or not --the rapture Will take place. I won't get left Out of the rapture if I've chosen to not believe it will happen. And I won't get taken Up simply because I Do believe in it. Two born-again believers Will both be taken Up simply because they are part of the Church / Bride of Christ / and That is the group that Jesus Christ is coming back To take up with Him. The one believer might be in total shock that he's Up and with Jesus Christ -- but I kind of doubt he / she will be complaining.

The free will is concerning a person's salvation. Whether or not a person is predetermined For being saved. Those who are part of the Elect will accept Christ at some ;point before they die. It's God's Foreknowledge. 'We' do Not have that knowledge. So - as far as 'we' are concerned -- Everyone has free will to accept or reject God's plan for our salvation. John 3:16

The conditions on this earth -- in this world -- are going to get worse and worse -- especially for born-again believers. Persecution has been around for a long, long time. As have trials, tribulations. Out of God's Love for us -- He's going to get born-again believers up and Out. Our 'free will' has Nothing to do with our choosing -- do I want to go Up or stay Here when Jesus Christ Does come back for His Church / His Bride. All born-again believers Will be taken Up to meet Jesus Christ in the air. The dead first and then the living -- all in a split second of time. The twinkling of an eye.

the only reason a born-again believer might be hesitant about the rapture is because they have family or other loved ones who they know aren't born-again. NOW is the time to pray for opportunities To share the Gospel unto salvation. Or bring it up in a nice, loving, caring way. Sharing your concern For their salvation / eternal life's destination. Hopefully 'they' will accept salvation , but if 'they' Don't. Well -- it Is their personal decision. No one can save another person.

I think I must have been typing whilst you submitted this Sue, a bit of overlap but you have given a much fuller answer.

Bless you.

 

[newname]

@ Beresheet -- According to Scripture -- it doesn't matter if a person believes in the rapture or not --the rapture Will take place. I won't get left Out of the rapture if I've chosen to not believe it will happen. And I won't get taken Up simply because I Do believe in it. Two born-again believers Will both be taken Up simply because they are part of the Church / Bride of Christ / and That is the group that Jesus Christ is coming back To take up with Him. The one believer might be in total shock that he's Up and with Jesus Christ -- but I kind of doubt he / she will be complaining.

The free will is concerning a person's salvation. Whether or not a person is predetermined For being saved. Those who are part of the Elect will accept Christ at some ;point before they die. It's God's Foreknowledge. 'We' do Not have that knowledge. So - as far as 'we' are concerned -- Everyone has free will to accept or reject God's plan for our salvation. John 3:16

The conditions on this earth -- in this world -- are going to get worse and worse -- especially for born-again believers. Persecution has been around for a long, long time. As have trials, tribulations. Out of God's Love for us -- He's going to get born-again believers up and Out. Our 'free will' has Nothing to do with our choosing -- do I want to go Up or stay Here when Jesus Christ Does come back for His Church / His Bride. All born-again believers Will be taken Up to meet Jesus Christ in the air. The dead first and then the living -- all in a split second of time. The twinkling of an eye.

the only reason a born-again believer might be hesitant about the rapture is because they have family or other loved ones who they know aren't born-again. NOW is the time to pray for opportunities To share the Gospel unto salvation. Or bring it up in a nice, loving, caring way. Sharing your concern For their salvation / eternal life's destination. Hopefully 'they' will accept salvation , but if 'they' Don't. Well -- it Is their personal decision. No one can save another person.

I believe they get saved before the rapture. My mother once had a dream that she was caught up in a white dress and my dad held her feet or something and went up too.
Once I thought the rapture already happened. I was praying for some very negative ex christian atheists on an atheists forum. No idea why I was so dumb to go there. I prayed for 2 of them especially and I was next to Jesus in heaven as part of the bride and I asked Him to fix it and He said He would take of them. That one guy wrote a book like Dawkins. He used to be reborn. They told him 9/11 was a punishment from God and then he fell from his faith and now he says God is bad and doesn't exist. Anyway I thought the rapture had happened and the first thing I thought was: oh no not yet, my sister. But I was just sitting on the couch.