Greetings,
(long post)
I know people who do not, and have good reason for not, wearing seat belts.
The wearing of seat belts in cars has been mandatory for decades and yet out here in rural SA dumb people still insist that it is their right not to have to wear seatbelts.
Guess who incur the greatest number of fatalities on our country roads? - It ain't those who choose to wear their seatbelts.
I also know that in the eighties, i was cleaned up twice... one after getting smacked by a freight train and another after bending my hemi like a banana around a power pole... and both times, i only survived because i was not wearing a seat belt. Mandatory does not save lives nor can it guarantee health.
I have known people [me included] to survive motor bike accidents that by ll rights should not have and at the same time known others to die after a very simple fall. There are not many definites. There are a lot of crazy scenarios and we do not do well to try to use such variable outcomes for presenting a hard case for rules and laws.
History is riddled with rules and laws that have proven very unwise and very harmful.
When talking about the current situation of governments mandating vaccines, we need to keep our eyes open, both to history and to the present and then to the future.
One government might be something that we might take up some form of obedience to the government 'doctrine'. But what we se today is most, if not all, governments pushing something that is still in trial stage with no idea whatsoever of the outcome for the society of the world, not simply one nation. That should be enough to make one stop and consider. Then we have governments mandating with the threat of job loss which translates to it being no longer about one's health. In other words, people are being threatened that if they do not allow themselves to be jabbed, they will lose their jobs and be left without an income. Those who weigh it up are deciding for money reasons, not for health reasons. Since when does taking a vaccine come down to doing so for any reason besides for health reasons? Another reason to consider.
Regardless of anyone's 'doctrine', history is full of psychopaths who are driven by power and gain. In fact, many wars are and have been fought for that purpose. Apparently there is a virus that is deadly to mankind but somewhere the people have become the enemies, not the virus.
Can someone tell me when the virus will go away?
Will it die off or will it mutate and continue with 'stronger' strains, as virus's do? So, once everyone have been forced to be given a jab, will the virus surrender and go away?
So, is forcing folks and penalizing them the answer?
Is that a real righteous act that we would be happy to include in our methods of evangelism?
Sounds like some sort of dark ages persecution, does it not?
There is a huge amount of financial gain for few with global vaccines being marketed.. huge and with that, there is a lot of political sway and push and interest in the whole game. It is not really totally about health and anyone staying virus free. Even people on these forums can vouch for the inability of vaccine to keep the virus away... and we are a tiny percentage of the world population.
We can bury our heads as much as we can make lots of stupid noise.
What is the Christian thing to do?
Some suggest to love your neighbor and so get jabbed. Weak, if not completely mis-informed, argument. To love your neighbor would be to make sure that whatever you are doing for you that you have put your neighbor ahead of you and are willing to 'risk' dying, if needs be, while allowing everyone else to get the 'miracle' jab before you get in line for it. And then to offer and supply any needs for any 'neighbors' who are sick and dying, etc... and look after the widows and fatherless of the folk who have died, whether they have been jabbed or not.
Does loving thy neighbor extend to offering food and accommodation to those who have lost their jobs and have family to shelter and feed?
Sometimes in history rebels have been depicted with a definite one-sided view. For example, a government engages in hostilities for increase of investment gain and local folk fight back or at least resist. So the locals are cut down and labelled as rebels. Somehow doesn't add up right, does it? But history explains clearly that it happens.
So, if people today can sniff something 'historical' in the air, and are cautious about 'going along with the masses', should they be seen as rebels?
Jesus and His men were not at all popular when it came to being different. Same as the Prophets before them. And many many since.
Sure, there have been plenty of crackpots, and psycho's, and a lot of bloodshed and suffering at the hands of deranged men who had some 'revelation' or were selling snake oil, etc.
Sure, there have been many unnecessary deaths, due to ignorance and outright bad advice... but let us remember that that is on both sides of the fence.
For years, people have happily traveled the world and had no problem complying to the laws requiring vaccinations, before entering some countries. But there is something different about the 2021 push for vaccinating everyone, regardless of anything at all... all while still collecting data as it is 'rolled out'. We appear to have some free choice... which brand of vaccine would you like, sir? Some countries don't have it so good. But....
I can't help but think about how we 'live' today and how far removed our lifestyle is from 'back in the days' when the earth was first formed.
Listen up for a minute...
on another thread discussion is being had regarding climate change. Hmmm.
Most folk know that the world [planet earth] is messed up and we have endangered species of both animals, insects etc and plants. We also know that big companies have had a lot to do with some of that. We also know that sick heads with guns etc have over-hunted animals and still do, guns or not. (i was reading recently of the dangers of being a bird conservationist in some parts of the planet... and that is toady, 2021)
Does anyone know that fast foods are bad for you? That countries that consume junk food tend to need hospitals to cater for gluttons and stupids?
Have you been to the shops lately and tried to find fresh food that has not been grown in some distant land, that is free from chemicals, that has not been genetically modified, that has been sourced ethically, without child labor and destruction or theft of lands and water that the locals need to continue living their lives - with limited choice... shut up and get 'civilized' move into towns and cities... shut up, you are too small to stop us... and so it goes on and on.... and that is not including some 'controversial' topics such as oil, gas and uranium..... bad enough mining material for electric components, but again.... this is today....
and should we not be at least
a little bothered?
Do any of you reading this have children or grandchildren? [little ones, that is] Nice world we are leaving them, do you think.... nice Christians... so caring and thoughtful.
So, we come here to discuss the pro's and con's of being jabbed with some experimental stuff and to do so from a Bible based and Jesus approved stand.
It is very difficult for some folk to decide what is best. Sciences reveal concerns, for and against.
Threats and blame are not the way to go. Neither are far fetched conspiracy theories or nonsense about seat belts.
When i ask the question, "what would Jesus do?", i do not hear any support for mass produced and mass pushed [compulsory] jabs. I can't see Jesus supporting the pharma companies nor the politicians/leaders, especially those with interest in the said companies.
Someone said something about 'in less developed countries miracles almost have to happen because they don't have modern 'medicine and treatment' ' but i can't find anywhere that suggests that those modern evolving sciences/practices are suitable replacements for miracle healings, in any country. Can people use 'things' for helping others? Yes. Can some herbs etc still be used for helping sick people? Yes. Modern 'medicine' is, for the most part, simply making the most of discoveries from 'nature' even if they tend to mass produce the ingredients artificially, so perhaps modern medicine is not all bad, after all. Another thousand years and they might get it right, but for now, it seems that a lot of it, is to cater for the modern 'lifestyle' including hospitals and ambulances for nuts like me who have vehicle collisions.
Should we all wear helmets when cruising on two wheels? Might help. But where do we define between laws and free choice? As i age a little i see that if someone is stupid enough to go to a dangerous place, they take the risk and it shouldn't be on anyone else. We molly coddle .. we use fluffy cushions so we can 'get away' with stupidity... and then if we dare to go a little deeper....
Much has transformed over the last century. I think most would agree at an accelerating rate. We have come so far as to even make laws that children have the right to choose what to identify with, regardless of natural gender. We see businesses slammed for refusing to comply with same-sex desires of the minority.
We have an over abundance of 'hollywood' rot. And we don't even have to go 'into the world to see it all..... we can go to 'church' and even be told the virtues of complying with the laws and 'loving your neighbor' and embracing the celebration of things that Biblically are abominations.
Here, on threads like this one, we can even get into arguments about the pro's and con's of being jabbed.
What's going on?
Should we be allowed to question some of this?
Is any of this 'anti-christ'? Not directly. But how much of what i have written about could be seen as at least a little anti-God's plan and anti-righteousness?
I'd like to hear some do-goodie evangelist tell me in one sentence, "Go into the world and preach the good news, healing and casting out devils/spirits and make sure you insist that everyone you talk to understands exactly how imperative it is that they comply and oblige and get vaccinated against the dreaded flu version: virus-2021."
Any takers?
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How about we come before the Lord and acknowledge our need for His hand, for His wisdom, for His peace and ask Him for it, without wavering?
try not to get too worried about if or if not.. about do I or don't I, and how anything will work out either way.... instead, in all your ways, acknowledge Him... do not lean on your own understanding... and He will direct your paths..... believe Him to do so and trust Him because He alone is trustworthy and faithful to His Word.
Do not get divided against one another over this topic. Nobody has been in the future yet, to see anything but, we do have hope... and our hope should not be centered in this world and anything it offers. Our Hope is in the Lord, He is our Peace... the Prince of Peace and lover of your soul... trust Him as you go, He will lead you and keep you and tend to you.. He purchased you and loves you.. and may the grace of God the Father and Jesus Christ His Son and the fellowship of the Holy Ghost be with you
Bless you ....><>
Jesus is Lord
