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Have any of the ten commandments ever helped you deal with others? If so, answer in detail please...
The ten commandments helpful?
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Not sure what "deal with others" means here---Maybe you could be a little more specific.
Happy
elaboration on deal with others would be helpful. 
but the ten commandments can be very helpful when trying to fight sin. lying, coveting, dishonor mom and pops (still young haha ) ect. we are supposed to hold the word close to our hearts so we do not sin against Him. this includes the 10 commandments. I dont know if that is what you were referring to though..
God bless bro!
~ginah
but the ten commandments can be very helpful when trying to fight sin. lying, coveting, dishonor mom and pops (still young
haha ) ect. we are supposed to hold the word close to our hearts so we do not sin against Him. this includes the 10 commandments. I dont know if that is what you were referring to though..God bless bro!
~ginah
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simply meant asking if they've helped you 'not do' things in relation to other people that you might have been on the brink on doing, like not coveting your neighbor's wife, for instance..
Hello TouchTestimony.
In the New Testament there are instructions for Gentiles regarding following Jesus. Gentiles are non Jews, Gentiles are not under the Law. The Ten Commandments are the Law. Christians have the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit guides and protects Christians. Please read the following passage from Acts. This concerns the very point of Law and the Gentiles.
Acts 15:24-29
"24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well."
Christians are required to live a life of Love in Jesus Christ. This is a spiritual life. The ten commandments are the written code, of the flesh. You are not of the flesh, you are of the Spirit, if you believe in Jesus Christ.
In the New Testament there are instructions for Gentiles regarding following Jesus. Gentiles are non Jews, Gentiles are not under the Law. The Ten Commandments are the Law. Christians have the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit guides and protects Christians. Please read the following passage from Acts. This concerns the very point of Law and the Gentiles.
Acts 15:24-29
"24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well."
Christians are required to live a life of Love in Jesus Christ. This is a spiritual life. The ten commandments are the written code, of the flesh. You are not of the flesh, you are of the Spirit, if you believe in Jesus Christ.
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thank you kindly for taking the time to answer this, it helped for sure.
god bless.
god bless.
TouchTestimony,
Replying to your reasoning as to whether the 10 commandments do apply to coveting one's wife today... It's important to be led by the Holy Spirit in all things, and the Holy Spirit is in agreement to the Law because the Commandments were and are inspired by God Himself (the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are in agreement - 1 John 5:6-7). The Holy Spirit will guide you in love. The 10 commandments do apply to today, as led by the Spirit of God (in coveting...you need to see why spiritually God would say this because in the spirit realm, if there's coveting one another's things or wife, it can also lead to jealousy, hate, or even murder in the heart at some point; and the Lord looks at the heart - these are all of the carnal nature, or of the sinful nature (Prov. 6:32-35, Matt. 5:28; Prov.14:30; 28:16; 1 Cor. 3:3 - Paul warned of these ways of acting as they are carnal in nature and not led by the Holy Spirit; James 3:14-16; Gal. 5:19-21 - rivalry is associated with coveting and jealousy, which as stated here shows that those that work in those devices, they will not enter into the kingdom of God; James 3:16). The goal of the Holy Spirit is to be yielded to Him in order that these things can be removed and we are able to get a new heart (Ezek. 36:26-27).
Paul stated that we do not disregard the Law, but we fulfill it...we do that by being led by the Spirit, the Holy Spirit helps us to do what we cannot do ourselves (Matt. 5:17; Rom. 13:10; 8:2-9; Matt. 5:18-19). If led by the Spirit, He will not lead you into coveting because the Lord knows what it can lead to in your heart if it continues...and this can also lead to a negative effect on you, thus leading to you to not being able to fulfill the most important commandments of the Lord (which is the point of the New Testament and Gospel - Matt. 22:37-38, Lev. 19:18).
If you have anything in your heart that is still carnal in nature which causes you to feel these things, than ask the Holy Spirit to help you overcome it and heal it within you because otherwise, it will effect your relationship in the Lord...will make it difficult to fulfill even the the greatest commandment "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind [intellect]." (Amp. Version, Matt.22:37). Therefore, if you cannot fulfill this one, you won't be able to love your neighbor as yourself.
If you go through the 10 commandments as a study with the Holy Spirit, you will see how the literal natural commandments also come into the supernatural effects, which would lead to sin and rebellion against the leading of the Spirit of God (ie. do not commit adultery...you can commit adultery in the supernatural by putting other gods before the Lord - [1st/2nd commandments breaking], therefore causing you to go against your divine Husband Jesus...as the church is described as the Bride of Christ - Isa. 54:5, Eph. 5:31-32). The Lord spoke about His people being harlots all of the time throughout the Scriptures, a harlot to Him, having many 'lovers' or gods before Him.
The 10 commandments do cross over into the New Testament. Allow the Holy Spirit to show you how, in regards to our carnal nature (sinful nature), effecting how we obey the Lord's leading by His Spirit. It all DOES tie together.
j_sp
Replying to your reasoning as to whether the 10 commandments do apply to coveting one's wife today... It's important to be led by the Holy Spirit in all things, and the Holy Spirit is in agreement to the Law because the Commandments were and are inspired by God Himself (the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are in agreement - 1 John 5:6-7). The Holy Spirit will guide you in love. The 10 commandments do apply to today, as led by the Spirit of God (in coveting...you need to see why spiritually God would say this because in the spirit realm, if there's coveting one another's things or wife, it can also lead to jealousy, hate, or even murder in the heart at some point; and the Lord looks at the heart - these are all of the carnal nature, or of the sinful nature (Prov. 6:32-35, Matt. 5:28; Prov.14:30; 28:16; 1 Cor. 3:3 - Paul warned of these ways of acting as they are carnal in nature and not led by the Holy Spirit; James 3:14-16; Gal. 5:19-21 - rivalry is associated with coveting and jealousy, which as stated here shows that those that work in those devices, they will not enter into the kingdom of God; James 3:16). The goal of the Holy Spirit is to be yielded to Him in order that these things can be removed and we are able to get a new heart (Ezek. 36:26-27).
Paul stated that we do not disregard the Law, but we fulfill it...we do that by being led by the Spirit, the Holy Spirit helps us to do what we cannot do ourselves (Matt. 5:17; Rom. 13:10; 8:2-9; Matt. 5:18-19). If led by the Spirit, He will not lead you into coveting because the Lord knows what it can lead to in your heart if it continues...and this can also lead to a negative effect on you, thus leading to you to not being able to fulfill the most important commandments of the Lord (which is the point of the New Testament and Gospel - Matt. 22:37-38, Lev. 19:18).
If you have anything in your heart that is still carnal in nature which causes you to feel these things, than ask the Holy Spirit to help you overcome it and heal it within you because otherwise, it will effect your relationship in the Lord...will make it difficult to fulfill even the the greatest commandment "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind [intellect]." (Amp. Version, Matt.22:37). Therefore, if you cannot fulfill this one, you won't be able to love your neighbor as yourself.
If you go through the 10 commandments as a study with the Holy Spirit, you will see how the literal natural commandments also come into the supernatural effects, which would lead to sin and rebellion against the leading of the Spirit of God (ie. do not commit adultery...you can commit adultery in the supernatural by putting other gods before the Lord - [1st/2nd commandments breaking], therefore causing you to go against your divine Husband Jesus...as the church is described as the Bride of Christ - Isa. 54:5, Eph. 5:31-32). The Lord spoke about His people being harlots all of the time throughout the Scriptures, a harlot to Him, having many 'lovers' or gods before Him.
The 10 commandments do cross over into the New Testament. Allow the Holy Spirit to show you how, in regards to our carnal nature (sinful nature), effecting how we obey the Lord's leading by His Spirit. It all DOES tie together.
j_sp
If I could I would like to simplify this subject to help in understanding the gospel message. It seems to me that we have over complicated the true message of the law and grace.
If we try and keep the law as we already know we will fail because we are made of sinful flesh and the law is holy just and good, so in reality one will war against the other. However the law has a purpose and it is not so that we can try and keep it, the law has no power in itself to make us obedient even though the word says that sin is transgression of the law (ten commandments). On the other hand if we transgress the law we sin and become sinners. Those who sin are under the law. The power that the law has is to point out sin, "where there is no law there is no sin."
I believe there is a much deeper meaning to sin than we understand and a much better way to keeping the law than trying to keep it.
God is holy and all that God is is holy, the law is of God so it is also holy. God is life, obedience to the law is also life, in contrast, all that is not of God is death, disobediece to the law is also death because it is not of God. Now if all that is of God is life and all that is not of God is death and sin is the sting of death than sin is seperation from God because it is not of God. If God is life than sin being apart from God is death. I hope I am making this simple and clear.
If I sin then I have to be apart from God for if God is in me I cannot sin because God is holy and all that God is is holy and if God is in me than I also am holy because God is in me. God is not sin and God cannot sin because He is holy and there is no sin in holy so sin is not of God. Again, to sin I have to first be seperated from God
How do I know then that I have seperated from God? "Through the law comes the knowledge of sin I had not know lust except the law said thou shalt not covet. So then if I am disobedient to the law of God than I have already seperated from God. The purpose of the law then is to tell me that the seperation has taken place. That is the power of the law. If I do not sin than there is no law, if I sin then the law will tell me to confess and repent. Sin is then a rupture in our relationship with God witnessed and exposed by the law.
When Jesus died for our sins He reconciled us to God so that the seperation was destroyed making us Holy in Christ or making us the righteseousness of God in Christ which is life. The price of sin which is eternal seperation through death has been paid, so in Christ we now have eternal life with God because the seperation which is death has been delt with.
Confession and repentance is then our part of the covenant to reastablish or relationsip with God. We only recognize our need for Christ through the law. If we can understand this the Word of God will become much more clear.
Righteousness comes by faith which works by love forming a trusting relationship with God in Christ.
If we try and keep the law as we already know we will fail because we are made of sinful flesh and the law is holy just and good, so in reality one will war against the other. However the law has a purpose and it is not so that we can try and keep it, the law has no power in itself to make us obedient even though the word says that sin is transgression of the law (ten commandments). On the other hand if we transgress the law we sin and become sinners. Those who sin are under the law. The power that the law has is to point out sin, "where there is no law there is no sin."
I believe there is a much deeper meaning to sin than we understand and a much better way to keeping the law than trying to keep it.
God is holy and all that God is is holy, the law is of God so it is also holy. God is life, obedience to the law is also life, in contrast, all that is not of God is death, disobediece to the law is also death because it is not of God. Now if all that is of God is life and all that is not of God is death and sin is the sting of death than sin is seperation from God because it is not of God. If God is life than sin being apart from God is death. I hope I am making this simple and clear.
If I sin then I have to be apart from God for if God is in me I cannot sin because God is holy and all that God is is holy and if God is in me than I also am holy because God is in me. God is not sin and God cannot sin because He is holy and there is no sin in holy so sin is not of God. Again, to sin I have to first be seperated from God
How do I know then that I have seperated from God? "Through the law comes the knowledge of sin I had not know lust except the law said thou shalt not covet. So then if I am disobedient to the law of God than I have already seperated from God. The purpose of the law then is to tell me that the seperation has taken place. That is the power of the law. If I do not sin than there is no law, if I sin then the law will tell me to confess and repent. Sin is then a rupture in our relationship with God witnessed and exposed by the law.
When Jesus died for our sins He reconciled us to God so that the seperation was destroyed making us Holy in Christ or making us the righteseousness of God in Christ which is life. The price of sin which is eternal seperation through death has been paid, so in Christ we now have eternal life with God because the seperation which is death has been delt with.
Confession and repentance is then our part of the covenant to reastablish or relationsip with God. We only recognize our need for Christ through the law. If we can understand this the Word of God will become much more clear.
Righteousness comes by faith which works by love forming a trusting relationship with God in Christ.
Did you read the scripture I posted?
The law no longer has a purpose it has been put away. We are in a new dispensation and under a new covenant. One in which HolySpirit, convicts, leads and governs.
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I did read your post jiggyfly and I do understand that we who are in Christ are no longer under the law, because in Christ we are free from the law because in Christ there is no sin. The law tells us what sin is. Let me ask you a question, if you commit adultry does the law apply to you, didn't it say thou shalt not commit adultry? Did Jesus not free you from commiting adultry through faith in Him. In Christ we rise above the letter of the law because we recieve His righteousness and in His righteousness adultry does not exist. Does the law apply to those that steal or those that don't steal. Stealing is not an attribute of God so then it applies to those that don't believe, those that are not in Christ. Jesus saves us from all unrighteousness. Unrighteousness is explained by the law. So the law is for those that don't believe, for righteousness comes by faith.
Our righteousness is disobiedence of the law, the righteousness of Jesus is perfect obedience to law, it's His righteousness that I want.
He shall wright his laws in our mind and hearts, notice that it is His work to write His laws into our mind and heart our work is to say yes Lord and mean it with all of our hearts.
Our righteousness is disobiedence of the law, the righteousness of Jesus is perfect obedience to law, it's His righteousness that I want.
He shall wright his laws in our mind and hearts, notice that it is His work to write His laws into our mind and heart our work is to say yes Lord and mean it with all of our hearts.
Seems by your post here that you don't believe that Jesus paid the penalty for everyone's sin.
Paul said the old covenant containing the law has been put away, and it seems you disagree.
We are his sheep. And sheep, most know, have absolutely NO defense mechanism from predators. Just fluffy, cuddly wool.
Sheep are dependent on their herder to keep them safe from their environment and predators. Without their shepherd, they will die.
Same with us. We are Jesus' sheep. Without Him, we would surely die, for
without His strength, we cannot fight the devil and temptation. The ten commandments are like a fence, our boundaries, that keep us safe.
Many who don't want to believe in Jesus, think they are just 'rules' to keep
us from having fun. But they are actually protecting us.
When your mother told you NOT to touch that stove, was she trying to
keep you from having fun? No. I thought that, and indeed, I touched the stove.
And boy did it hurt.
The commandments made me keep from sinning when I got hurt before.
They helped me realize that Jesus is not just some random man in the sky
saying NO to everything I do. He is a Heavenly FATHER. Who protects me and doesn't want me to get hurt.
Sheep are dependent on their herder to keep them safe from their environment and predators. Without their shepherd, they will die.
Same with us. We are Jesus' sheep. Without Him, we would surely die, for
without His strength, we cannot fight the devil and temptation. The ten commandments are like a fence, our boundaries, that keep us safe.
Many who don't want to believe in Jesus, think they are just 'rules' to keep
us from having fun. But they are actually protecting us.
When your mother told you NOT to touch that stove, was she trying to
keep you from having fun? No. I thought that, and indeed, I touched the stove.
And boy did it hurt.
The commandments made me keep from sinning when I got hurt before.
They helped me realize that Jesus is not just some random man in the sky
saying NO to everything I do. He is a Heavenly FATHER. Who protects me and doesn't want me to get hurt.
Why do you say that and what does that have to do with the law of the old covenant?
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I have heard that before I think...I don't know where though.
It is in the back of my memory. Jesus died to cover everyone's sin,
including yours, and mine too. Is there scripture that might have
confused you? Maybe we can help.
The law teaches two things, what love is and what selfishness is.
If I love my nieghbor I will not covet his wife, if I love my nieghbor I will not steal from him, if I love my nieghbor I will not lie to him, as well as the other three that refers to my nieghbor.
Also If I love God I will have no other Gods before Him, if I love God I will not bow down to any graven images, if I love God I will not take His name in vain, if I love God I will Keep the sabbath day holy.
On the other hand if I want to serve self I will steal, lie, covet, kill, commit adultry and I won't honor my parents. I will also worship anything I want, take God's name in vain, and trample upon His sabbath, and above all put self before God.
Keeping the law of God is about love. God is love and His law is love because it says "thou shalt not...." and if I love I will not.
Breaking the law is about self or self serving.
Self should be crucified in Christ so that the love of Christ will riegn in us.
We know that God is holy and love also being God is holy. The law being love then it is also holy and cannot be done away with because it the character of God. God is life then also the law being of God is also life.
Sin is not of God and it is in contrast of the law. God is life and all that is of God is life, all that is not of God is death. Obiedence to the law is life, disobedience to the law is death.
Because I transgressed the law I deserve death, Jesus took my transgression upon Himself and it was crucified in Him, aslo crucifing my death, and in turn gave me His obedience to the law which gives me life. By faith I recieve His obedience (His righteousness) which is manifested in my works, so that it is no longer me, but Christ working His work in me.
If I love my nieghbor I will not covet his wife, if I love my nieghbor I will not steal from him, if I love my nieghbor I will not lie to him, as well as the other three that refers to my nieghbor.
Also If I love God I will have no other Gods before Him, if I love God I will not bow down to any graven images, if I love God I will not take His name in vain, if I love God I will Keep the sabbath day holy.
On the other hand if I want to serve self I will steal, lie, covet, kill, commit adultry and I won't honor my parents. I will also worship anything I want, take God's name in vain, and trample upon His sabbath, and above all put self before God.
Keeping the law of God is about love. God is love and His law is love because it says "thou shalt not...." and if I love I will not.
Breaking the law is about self or self serving.
Self should be crucified in Christ so that the love of Christ will riegn in us.
We know that God is holy and love also being God is holy. The law being love then it is also holy and cannot be done away with because it the character of God. God is life then also the law being of God is also life.
Sin is not of God and it is in contrast of the law. God is life and all that is of God is life, all that is not of God is death. Obiedence to the law is life, disobedience to the law is death.
Because I transgressed the law I deserve death, Jesus took my transgression upon Himself and it was crucified in Him, aslo crucifing my death, and in turn gave me His obedience to the law which gives me life. By faith I recieve His obedience (His righteousness) which is manifested in my works, so that it is no longer me, but Christ working His work in me.
