It's for the reason that you won't answer a certain questions that I don't bother really don't want to talk to you. Because you still didn't answer my question about who is John talking about in the Gospel of John 1 Chapter 1? Who is the Word? And if you can answer that you'll probably answer all of your questions.
Yet it is written right in the very scripture that you want to argue from. About your own thinking, and yet it is in one of the Gospels. If I recall gospel means that it is Undisputed word of the author. That it is been proven as who wrote it with no doubt.
I'm sure you've heard the term when someone's talking and he refers to it as the gospel truth meaning that there's Undisputed Truth about what he's saying.
So we know without a doubt that this is something that has been preached from the beginning. in the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God in the Word was God.
This tells us that the Word and God are two separate beings and yet the same.
It's not much clearer than that
In your own defense, and in our defense, we can all say the same thing about scripture which says that God is a mystery and we do not understand the mystery.
Ok I will do my best to try and not upset you but I think I'm gonna fail at that.
Alright in the beginning was the word. All things were made "through" the word, no problem there. The KJV is only version that uses "BY" the rest say "through".
So God speaks and the word creates it or makes it come into existence. We OK so far?
Now ALL things are of God. Including us of course. He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world right? So who that was ever a human was not with God in some way or another before being placed in a dirt vessel? Nobody.
So since God made choice of the spirits that were from within Him prior to creating the world, who and or what were all those spirits doing or functioning as.
As Jo 1:11 says "He came unto His own and His own knew Him not" His own what? As Jesus calls us brethren over and over again i'll take brethren even before we
were made men and women. Brethren spirits. Elohim-plural-the creative aspect of the word of God.
Why would He be the only one to know where He came from as opposed to the rest of us? We were conceived under condemnation by design. Psa 51:5
Jesus on the other hand was born outside the carnal mind as God was His Father of the flesh. And since man is conceived in sin he would be under condemnation
at that point. Jesus was never under condemnation until Gethsemane, otherwise He would have been a sinner from the womb.
We have the first Adam-no carnal mind, then the last Adam(Jesus) no carnal mind.
The first Adam was made a living soul, the last Adam(Jesus) BECAME a life giving spirit. 1 Co 15:45 I would point out that one does not become what one already is.
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself partook of the same.
Heb 2:12 Saying I will declare thy name to my brethren.?
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behooved Him to be made like unto His brethren.
Notice one thing here. Jesus says we are His brethren, and that the children partook of flesh and blood. Any connection between the children and Him here?
Yes He was also one of the children but was the leader of the group.
The whole concept of the Bible is Gods desire to have spiritually begotten children that have life in themselves, this is what they lacked and it was His intention
to bring this to pass for a select group He chose from within Himself. We can see Jesus who has attained unto that, by design as He was foreordained, as a
spirit of the Elohim group who was the first to be perfected by the things He suffered, raised to glory, and is now the Captain of our salvation.
Slide in 1 Co 15:23 here, THERE IS AN ORDER TO THIS RESURRECTION,
CHRIST WAS RAISED AS THE FIRST OF THE HARVEST, then all who belong
to Christ when He comes back.
Rom 1:4 Jesus was "declared to be the Son of God
with power, according to the Spirit of holiness(HG),
by the resurrection from the dead." Notice that Jesus never did
anything that he took credit for in His earthly ministry as He said that the works were done by the Father. But what happened after the resurrection?
He did more in 50 days than 100 times what was done during His ministry years. All power in heaven and earth were turned over to Him along with all
judgement, as He had now lived the life of a man and could completely understand our(His brethrens) condition.
I'm gonna stop here to let this soak in for awhile. Who were you before you were a man, and where were you?
Elohim-interpreted God is a plural word. Given the above, few references, is it possible to see that you are also eternal in spirit, as the spirit in the man when he
dies returns to God who gave it. And that you were Jesus' brother before the world was created? And if his brother and part of the same plural Elohim then you
helped create everything as well.
God asked Job a very interesting question, and that was "Where was thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, IF thou hast understanding."
An odd question to ask a man or was it?
