The Trinity

[Samson2020]

[Col 1:19-23 KJV] 19 For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven. 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in [your] mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, [and] which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

The question is who Paul was writing to (you), and if the “reconciliation” being talked about was conditional and to what purpose. This is the reason I added the above verses 22-23 which provide the necessary context. Always keeping in mind that numbering which I was going to remove but didn’t was not in existence when the original writings were done.

If you will receive this I wish to add support for what I said earlier about 2 different thoughts.

Using Romans 5:18 Therefore, as through one mans offense judgement came to all men resulting in condemnation, even so through one mans righteous
act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
If we compare the thought in Col 1:20 And, having made peace by the blood of His cross to reconcile all things unto Himself: by Him, I say whether they be
things in earth or things in heaven.

The thoughts expressed to the Romans and Colossians are identical. The reconciliation has occurred by the righteous act-the spilling of the blood of Jesus.

Then look at the other part of Col 1:21 where Paul reiterates the fact that you have been reconciled by the act but simply believing God(FAITH) is the necessary
grounds for being found Holy, unblamable, and unreproveable. Thus being grounded in the faith (which was GIVEN to you) is your responsibility. No adding,
no subtracting from what He did for you.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear Brethren,
Sorry I have been in bed for the better part of a week, and have a surgery scheduled at the end of the week so am not sure how much I can dedicate to this topic. I also have left others unattended as well

Special Note: Samson2020 - do not forget context to the verses you are extracting them from in order to make your case! Remembering that these writings were to specific churches/peoples that did not have our method of communications or completed text in order to share the written word between themselves and what they had received from the Apostles. They each were meant to be stand alone in understanding, meaning they were dealing with a specific issue in most cases or laying a foundation for moving forward as a Church/Body of Christ. Otherwise, deception, misunderstanding would be and probably was rampant for want of more letters in those days. Probably lost, and why there were also probably more brethren who were indwelt with the Holy Spirit than there are now. Just look at us now in these days, arguing over "i's" being dotted, and "t's" being crossed! (Heavy Sigh).

Moving on now. I just wanted to post this quick note, to let you all know that I have not forgotten or...been defeated in Christ Jesus, victorious as always by the Blood of the Lamb!!! lol Great Joy! Alleluia!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Bill]

Dear Brethren,
Sorry I have been in bed for the better part of a week, and have a surgery scheduled at the end of the week so am not sure how much I can dedicate to this topic. I also have left others unattended as well

Special Note: Samson2020 - do not forget context to the verses you are extracting them from in order to make your case! Remembering that these writings were to specific churches/peoples that did not have our method of communications or completed text in order to share the written word between themselves and what they had received from the Apostles. They each were meant to be stand alone in understanding, meaning they were dealing with a specific issue in most cases or laying a foundation for moving forward as a Church/Body of Christ. Otherwise, deception, misunderstanding would be and probably was rampant for want of more letters in those days. Probably lost, and why there were also probably more brethren who were indwelt with the Holy Spirit than there are now. Just look at us now in these days, arguing over "i's" being dotted, and "t's" being crossed! (Heavy Sigh).

Moving on now. I just wanted to post this quick note, to let you all know that I have not forgotten or...been defeated in Christ Jesus, victorious as always by the Blood of the Lamb!!! lol Great Joy! Alleluia!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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"Sorry I have been in bed for the better part of a week, and have a surgery scheduled at the end of the week"

If I knew your address I would definitely send you a get-well card. And I have a few of them that depict this on the front. I keep them just in case someone I know gets sick just because I think they're really well written.

The two doctors on front of the card are talking together about to do an operation on a not so sleepy patient. One doctor is holding up duct tape while the other doctor has a pair of scissors in his hands.

On the inside it reads, "duct tape is good for just about anything they say"

Get well soon. And may God's humor fill you, and his healing be with you

 

[Christ4Ever]

"Sorry I have been in bed for the better part of a week, and have a surgery scheduled at the end of the week"

If I knew your address I would definitely send you a get-well card. And I have a few of them that depict this on the front. I keep them just in case someone I know gets sick just because I think they're really well written.

The two doctors on front of the card are talking together about to do an operation on a not so sleepy patient. One doctor is holding up duct tape while the other doctor has a pair of scissors in his hands.

On the inside it reads, "duct tape is good for just about anything they say"

Get well soon. And may God's humor fill you, and his healing be with you

Dear Brother Bill,
Thank-you for the kind words, and humor...if that is what it was supposed to be!

I appreciate the thought, but in the receiving of cards I always wonder what do I do with them now? I mean I appreciate the thoughts and prayers, but where do I keep them, do I keep them, feeling unappreciative if I throw them out, or do I shred them or just go right in the trash with them, if not, hold them for how long!!! AAAAAAAhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

It's like being given a gift, that you don't want to exchange, but is not ones cup of tea! Yikes!

That is why your words here are sufficient, and very much appreciated brother!!! So, I won't be giving you an address for card giving if that's okay! lol

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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P.S. Got tangled with something else I was writing! (heavy sigh) Still not all back yet, but getting there! \o/

 

[Brad Huber]

Dear Brother Bill,
Thank-you for the kind words, and humor...if that is what it was supposed to be!

I appreciate the thought, but in the receiving of cards I always wonder what do I do with them now? I mean I appreciate the thoughts and prayers, but where do I keep them, do I keep them, feeling unappreciative if I throw them out, or do I shred them or just go right in the trash with them, if not, hold them for how long!!! AAAAAAAhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

It's like being given a gift, that you don't want to exchange, but is not ones cup of tea! Yikes!

That is why your words here are sufficient, and very much appreciated brother!!! So, I won't be giving you an address for card giving if that's okay! lol

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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P.S. Got tangled with something else I was writing! (heavy sigh) Still not all back yet, but getting there! \o/

I have this fruitcake I could send you.

 

[Christ4Ever]

I have this fruitcake I could send you.

Thanks brother!
I can always use another door stopper!

 

[Bill]

Dear Brother Bill,
Thank-you for the kind words, and humor...if that is what it was supposed to be!

I appreciate the thought, but in the receiving of cards I always wonder what do I do with them now? I mean I appreciate the thoughts and prayers, but where do I keep them, do I keep them, feeling unappreciative if I throw them out, or do I shred them or just go right in the trash with them, if not, hold them for how long!!! AAAAAAAhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

It's like being given a gift, that you don't want to exchange, but is not ones cup of tea! Yikes!

That is why your words here are sufficient, and very much appreciated brother!!! So, I won't be giving you an address for card giving if that's okay! lol

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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P.S. Got tangled with something else I was writing! (heavy sigh) Still not all back yet, but getting there! \o/

Yes it was ment to be humor.

I know this is really off topic, but I really need to say this here.

Some years ago while traveling across South Dakota, I stopped at a truck stop with a diner. As typical for me I like reading the local newspaper. In the paper there was a request, the granddaughter was asking people to send her grandfather a birthday card as he was celebrating 86 years. She referred to it as a card shower. I thought that was so cool. The address was right there in the paper, so I wrote it down and the next chance I got I stopped at a Walmart. I decided to get him a birthday card for a 6-year-old. And I wrote him a little letter and explained what I saw in the paper and I was just passing through. And wished him a happy birthday and for God to bless him and his family and so on.

After I sent it, with some prayers. I kind of forgot about it. Then one day in the mail I get a letter from South Dakota. Here is the granddaughter thanking me for sending the letter, and her grandfather was tickled pink. As he kept repeating over and over again he doesn't even know who I am. She said it was the highlight of all the letters that they had received.

Then the thought came to me about writing other people that don't generally get mail. So for a number of years, when I had a chance I would stop in at a hospital to find someone who had been stuck in the hospital for quite a while with hardly any visitors. Or I'd call up nursing homes around the area that I lived, and found out who the people were that never had visitors. I enjoyed riding letters for quite a while, I would say it lasted a good 15 years. At least until I started moving oversized loads on a regular basis which made it nearly impossible to do everything.

I still write letters to a few people who I know have no one that writes them, either their family has all passed away including children. Or they just don't know how to contact family from overseas.
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My dad used to tell me to store up Treasures in Heaven, sometimes I think that the treasures in Heaven are standing right in front of me.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Yes it was ment to be humor.

I know this is really off topic, but I really need to say this here.

Some years ago while traveling across South Dakota, I stopped at a truck stop with a diner. As typical for me I like reading the local newspaper. In the paper there was a request, the granddaughter was asking people to send her grandfather a birthday card as he was celebrating 86 years. She referred to it as a card shower. I thought that was so cool. The address was right there in the paper, so I wrote it down and the next chance I got I stopped at a Walmart. I decided to get him a birthday card for a 6-year-old. And I wrote him a little letter and explained what I saw in the paper and I was just passing through. And wished him a happy birthday and for God to bless him and his family and so on.

After I sent it, with some prayers. I kind of forgot about it. Then one day in the mail I get a letter from South Dakota. Here is the granddaughter thanking me for sending the letter, and her grandfather was tickled pink. As he kept repeating over and over again he doesn't even know who I am. She said it was the highlight of all the letters that they had received.

Then the thought came to me about writing other people that don't generally get mail. So for a number of years, when I had a chance I would stop in at a hospital to find someone who had been stuck in the hospital for quite a while with hardly any visitors. Or I'd call up nursing homes around the area that I lived, and found out who the people were that never had visitors. I enjoyed riding letters for quite a while, I would say it lasted a good 15 years. At least until I started moving oversized loads on a regular basis which made it nearly impossible to do everything.

I still write letters to a few people who I know have no one that writes them, either their family has all passed away including children. Or they just don't know how to contact family from overseas.
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My dad used to tell me to store up Treasures in Heaven, sometimes I think that the treasures in Heaven are standing right in front of me.

Dear Brother,
That was so wonderful! Thank-you for sharing it with us, with me.
You have touched many lives over the years and continue to do so here as well wherever you find yourself.
Thank-you for being faithful dear brother!
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
God Bless you and yours.
YBIC
Nick
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[Bill]

Dear Brother,
That was so wonderful! Thank-you for sharing it with us, with me.
You have touched many lives over the years and continue to do so here as well wherever you find yourself.
Thank-you for being faithful dear brother!
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
God Bless you and yours.
YBIC
Nick
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Thank you for your kind words.

But I had to laugh a little bit, when you said "touched" as Lentz would probably say in response, speaking of me "touched all right, in your head". LOL

I think you have to believe, that being Christian you have to have a good sense of humor. I mean seriously when you look at creation and all the crazy quirks. Like a particular fish that swims inside the mouth of a shark and cleans their teeth for them. Or some varieties of butterflies that lay their eggs on only one type of plant. Or the Great evergreen trees that grow in the West, the only way that they're pine cones open up for the seeds is through the heat of a forest fire..

Of course my quirk is the fact that I'm born on April Fool's day. Something very fitting for me.

 

[Butch5]

To me the trinity is like a candle. The candle has three parts: the wax, the fire, the wick.

I think about the wax like it was Jesus, as we see the candle of the beauty of the candle what it's made of How It's formed. It's like looking at the life of Jesus.

The fire, like the Holy Spirit draws us to Jesus. So if you see a candle burning at a distance and you come to look at it then you see the beauty of the candle itself. Maybe smell the aroma of the wax. It's the way of the Holy Spirit that draws us to Jesus.

The wick I look at as God the Father. Because when we know of God the father is just a little peace just a little bit.

As the wax Burns only a little bit of the wick is revealed. And as Jesus says you have to go through him to get to the Father who is in heaven.
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The mystery of God is very unique. The Trinity that is One God United, has three entities that are all individuals. God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit.

They are not equal. God the Father is hidden and is only revealed by the Son, Jesus. Jesus often says things like only the Father knows. And it's written in Scripture that the father created everything for his Son Jesus. The mention of the Holy Spirit comes from Jesus saying I will send the Paraclete.

And we experience the Holy Spirit who comes down on the apostles with tongues of flame. And they are filled with the Anointing of the Holy Spirit.

I'm bringing the subject up because of a couple of our members who do not believe in the Trinity. And think of it as a diabolical scheme, I think that was their words.

Let us have a civil discussion, without name calling. And let us try to understand why or why not to believe in the Trinity

Hi Bill,

The problem with this and all attempts to explain the Trinity is that they don't fit the definition. According to the definition of the Trinity there are three coequal, coeternal, persons who are all fully God. In your example, each individual part is not a full candle, They are each a part of the candle. According to the Trinity doctrine each person is fully God. It's a logical contradiction and that is why all attempts to explain it fail. The water example, the egg example etc. all fail because each part of those is not fully the thing it's part of. The shell is not fully egg, neither is the yolk or the white. The three must be combined together to be fully an egg.

 

[Butch5]

It’s refreshing to finally see that some are admitting their is not a true equality factor involved.
My issue with Trinity is and will remain both co equal and co eternal.
Jesus is now co eternal as He was given life to have within himself to pass along to his brethren. Implying even He did not possess that quality prior to that life being given Him.
Co equal, we’ll the husband wife issue at least attempts to clarify the relationship but it is actually father and son where never is it mentioned that those two become one except in spirit. And as we are to become one with them both are we then part of the Godhead as sons?
Only when we are perfected which has been my position all along as in the end God is all in all.
To me Trinity fails in understanding what Jesus was and what Jesus became. As a man that became part of the godhead by being glorified into that position, it becomes possible for you and I to have faith in God bringing us into the same relationship with them.
On the other hand if Jesus were co eternal always then your chance of ever attaining to that height will never be available.
IMO the becoming part of the Godhead in the end is the message of the kingdom. Otherwise he wouldn’t say follow me and I will prepare a place for you so that where I am you may be also. This doesn’t just speak to heavenly locations but
Sonship and brotherhood on the highest possible level imaginable which is ALL the fullness of God residing in you, and if so then equal with God just as Jesus was but still a servant in the kingdom as a son.
He thought it not robbery to be equal with God and we should not either if it is given to us to exist in that capacity as it was Him.
The Kingdom of God is sonship in the highest sense.

Nice to see clearer discussion among grown ups!

I believe the Trinity doctrine both diminishes Christ's sacrifice and God's glory. To say Jesus is God almighty is to make one equal with the Father, thus diminishing the Father's glory, authority, and majesty. Many believe that Jesus is God, became man, and then returned to be God again. This truly diminishes Christ's sacrifice. Sure it's a sacrifice to come and die. But, how much greater a sacrifice is it to be in the very form of God and to give that up forever to become a man forever and die on a cross?

 

[Samson2020]

I believe the Trinity doctrine both diminishes Christ's sacrifice and God's glory. To say Jesus is God almighty is to make one equal with the Father, thus diminishing the Father's glory, authority, and majesty. Many believe that Jesus is God, became man, and then returned to be God again. This truly diminishes Christ's sacrifice. Sure it's a sacrifice to come and die. But, how much greater a sacrifice is it to be in the very form of God and to give that up forever to become a man forever and die on a cross?

Well Butch thats just the problem, Jesus on the earth was in the form of God in that the full measure of the Spirit resided on Him. He was just a man born of a woman
who in spirit came out from the same place we all did, God.
After Jesus was perfected by the things He suffered He became a life giving Spirit, proclaimed to be a God, not the Father, but a true Son of the living God.
And thats why it seems so hard to tell the difference between them.
A God was achieved by the fact He was sinless, for prior to His overcoming God had said we all fell short of the glory of God, but this one man attained to
that glory having overcome the world and Satan.
Thus when you read in Rev 3:14 that He is the true and faithful witness, the beginning of the creation of God we see a culmination of Gods original plan.
That being In the beginning was the plan/word/reason, and the plan/word/reason was with God, and the plan/word/reason was God. If you'll look at it for a moment
you just might see it. God intended to have sons made in His exact Image. The first to achieve that was His only begotten Son of the flesh. Since no man could attain to
it that was born of another man(carnal), God had to send someone that was not born of a man, by Father, so His own arm brought salvation. Jesus-who was declared to be Jesus Christ AFTER His baptism in the Spirit at Jordan. Christ being interpreted-messiah.
The baptism He received was the first ever of that kind, full measure. He was a spiritually begotten Son at that moment, just as we when we have been born of the Spirit. However since He was sinless the full measure resided on Him, we but get a down payment.

And you are very correct. He laid that down as a full measure of God to purchase us, He gave what no else ever could. And that was the bride price to buy us all back.

Consider Jas 1:18 He begat us by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of first fruits of His creatures.

Ok we know Jesus is the truth, no problem there, we know that He died for our sins, and now we also know that the first ever man to attain to the status of
a god and receive the glory of God in Him was Jesus. All power in heaven and earth were passed to Him along with all judgement. For what? To perfect the first fruits that God hath given Him. We also know that it is God that is calling those He predestinated to be conformed to the Image of His Son and to become just like Him-a God.
We know that when He shall appear we shall be like Him for we shall see Him as He is??? Now look back at the John 1:1 in the beginning God had a plan, and the plan was with God, and the plan was God. Jesus is a god which is the first fulfillment of the plan, we who are the first fruits are to be next, a continuation.
There will be more as there is no difference between those God has allowed to believe, and those who have not, as who and when are in His hands.
As 1 Co 15:23 states there is an order to this resurrection. Jesus first, then the first fruits, then He stops for He wasn't allowed to directly speak to this IMO. It indeed is a
mystery as Paul puts it in Rom 11 and no one other than the overcomer will have right to see this hidden manna.
What is your hope? To go to heaven? Mine is to be just like Jesus, a full blown brother and son of the living God who has had all power and authority and judgement
handed over to me at my glorification. No prize unclaimed!
Jesus tells us that once our faith is perfected nothing shall be impossible to us, we are allowed to sit in His throne (authority) just He sat down in His Father throne.
We are to rule with Him. To what end? The perfecting of those not called in the first dispensation. The mountain of Esau-non elect at the first time period, but there
will be a second fruits.
Now look back at 1 Co 15:22 and see if it is more understandable. Re read Paul in Rom 11 about the branches grafted in and why those that were broken off were,
and pay special attention to the part about the broken branches being no more or less than the ones that have been grafted in.

Satan is the deciever and has infiltrated the church for a long time. The doctrine of free will is his, the Trinity was his before Christianity he just passed it along to
Christianity for it worked so well in pagan religions. The I accepted therefore I am doctrine is false as that is self righteousness and infects like a cancer the true and
the un-elect that think they're elect.
Paul tells us that conceit in this way on our parts may cause us to be broken off as those that were for our sakes. Rom 11

God had a plan and that plan was to have sons that reflected and attained to His glory, one man was able to attain that and God gave Him the keys of the kingdom,
He is now passing it along to us as a gift, but only those whom the Father shall call for now. The rest are grafted back in later according to the same will
that begat us by grace. For ALL Israel shall be saved.
If you consider where we all came from (God) anybody ever born is to attain to that status, the only question is when. If we have indeed been elected at this time
we have a special opportunity to pursue sonship as that precious pearl for there is no higher calling of God than that.

 

[Samson2020]

But, how much greater a sacrifice is it to be in the very form of God and to give that up forever to become a man forever and die on a cross?

Jesus was man just as we, He with the full measure of the Spirit laid down a life that we will never be able to lay down, for we can never attain to that, but in the same fashion we are to lay our new found life down for His sake. The reward to both He and us is glorification. What that entails may be too much to handle, but He is no longer just a man He is a life giving Spirit, just like His Father. That is something He wasn't prior to His glorification. 1 Co 15:45
He has the life in Him that He received from the Father to have as a possession forever, and to give the same to us.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit??? Almost a perfect understanding, he did not give up being in the form of God forever, just a few days.

 

[Bill]

Jesus was man just as we, He with the full measure of the Spirit laid down a life that we will never be able to lay down, for we can never attain to that, but in the same fashion we are to lay our new found life down for His sake. The reward to both He and us is glorification. What that entails may be too much to handle, but He is no longer just a man He is a life giving Spirit, just like His Father. That is something He wasn't prior to His glorification. 1 Co 15:45
He has the life in Him that He received from the Father to have as a possession forever, and to give the same to us.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit??? Almost a perfect understanding, he did not give up being in the form of God forever, just a few days.

God's Love Always.

Can you tell me who was John talking about in the Gospel of John, 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God"?

Who is the Word?

 

[Samson2020]

God's Love Always.

Can you tell me who was John talking about in the Gospel of John, 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God"?

Who is the Word?

I already did. Gods word was a plan and Jesus was the culmination of the plan.
In the OT God said multiple times that there was no other God besides Him.
No one deserved the glory of the LORD.
Jesus however attained glorification through His sacrifice and obtained the Glory of the LORD. He was a man that became a god.
This is why you see God prophesy O God thy throne is forever a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of THY kingdom.
When did that prophecy come to be fulfilled? At the glorification of Jesus right after His resurrection. The Son of God in the flesh, a man,
became a life giving Spirit,-a God. Do we have reference to the fact that there is only One TRUE GOD? Yes and that is the Father, but through suffering and
obedience we have the very first Spiritually begotten Son of God who Himself is a God.

1 Co 15:23 tells us there is an order to the resurrection, every man has his own order, and that Jesus was the first man to attain unto that resurrection.
We who are the chosen of God and overcome are to be the next to attain to being glorified and attaining the glory of God, not because we deserve it,
but because Jesus obtained it for us. Not to mention it was Gods plan all along.

Read the next thread coming up "IF YE ENDURE CHASTENING" I'm working on it this morning as the HG gave it earlier today.

 

[Bill]

I already did. Gods word was a plan and Jesus was the culmination of the plan.
In the OT God said multiple times that there was no other God besides Him.
No one deserved the glory of the LORD.
Jesus however attained glorification through His sacrifice and obtained the Glory of the LORD. He was a man that became a god.
This is why you see God prophesy O God thy throne is forever a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of THY kingdom.
When did that prophecy come to be fulfilled? At the glorification of Jesus right after His resurrection. The Son of God in the flesh, a man,
became a life giving Spirit,-a God. Do we have reference to the fact that there is only One TRUE GOD? Yes and that is the Father, but through suffering and
obedience we have the very first Spiritually begotten Son of God who Himself is a God.

1 Co 15:23 tells us there is an order to the resurrection, every man has his own order, and that Jesus was the first man to attain unto that resurrection.
We who are the chosen of God and overcome are to be the next to attain to being glorified and attaining the glory of God, not because we deserve it,
but because Jesus obtained it for us. Not to mention it was Gods plan all along.

Read the next thread coming up "IF YE ENDURE CHASTENING" I'm working on it this morning as the HG gave it earlier today.

Enjoy yourself. I will not be responding here.

Your views are not mine, and i am not interested in this debate

 

[Samson2020]

But, how much greater a sacrifice is it to be in the very form of God and to give that up

I'd like to add one thought here. When did Jesus attain to the very form of God? Was it before His baptism in the Spirit or after?
As you have well stated that the yolk is not the whole egg etc... neither is being in the form of God make one God!

 

[Butch5]

I'd like to add one thought here. When did Jesus attain to the very form of God? Was it before His baptism in the Spirit or after?
As you have well stated that the yolk is not the whole egg etc... neither is being in the form of God make one God!

He was in the form of God prior to becoming flesh.

 

[EverlastingWinter]

Hmm, Trinity

Apologies of I am about to teach you 'how to suck eggs' so to speak. I actually never had a conversation about Trinity before...

My insomnia and heart keeps me up thus I would like to make my opinion known. My husband believe in One god, I believe in three persons. I will always believe ' The father, the son and the holy spirit'

So with my perception and my fundamental belief. God in three persons: God the Father, God the Son (Lord Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit. Let me explain a bit better:

The three persons of the Trinity are distinct but inseparable, co-equal, and co-eternal. They share the same divine essence or substance, yet each person has their own unique role in the Godhead.

God is Divine , Jesus is Half divine half human.. hence how he died but then was resurrected. The Holy spirit .. Divine.

They all work as one.. but again they are three different 'persons'.

The Father is the creator of the universe. He is the source of all existence and the ultimate authority in the divine hierarchy. The Father is often portrayed as a loving and merciful figure who cares for and protects his creation, well after the Flood in the Old testament that is!.

Jesus Christ is the second person of the Trinity, who took on human form and became a man. He is the savior of humanity, who came to earth to redeem and reconcile humanity to God through his sacrificial death and resurrection. Jesus is also seen as the Word of God, through whom all things were created and who reveals the Father's love and salvation to the world.

The third is the Holy spirit and this is the thing that touches us when we worship the feeling of ease and presence of our Lord: for me the Holy Spirit is like the source of divine inspiration and guidance. It is seen as the active presence of God in the world, working within individuals and the Church to bring about spiritual growth, transformation, and sanctification.It is also mentioned that the Holy spirit provides some people with spiritual gifts.

Warm regards,

Winter

 

[Samson2020]

The three persons of the Trinity are distinct but inseparable, co-equal, and co-eternal.

How exactly does that statement fit these scriptures:

2 Co 1:3 Blessed be the GOD AND FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ...........
Rom 15:6 so that with one accord you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.........
2 Co 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus...............
1 Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.......

So Pauls salutations to the Corinthians, Romans and Ephesians along with Peters letter to 5 different groups scattered about were all wrong according to your doctrine?
Looks like Paul and Peter did not see it your way.
The God of Jesus is His Father and the God of the Father is no one for He is the ONLY TRUE GOD as stated by Jesus in Jo 17:3 wonder why He would say that
and it not be true as He never lied?
He called us His brethren, and never referred to Himself as our God, wonder why that is? The only person to call Him that was doubting Thomas. Jesus is
never mentioned as our God, only our Lord, our King, the High Priest, the Captain of our salvation, many titles but never our God.
Now you say coequal, but it seems the above would be enough to quash that idea, but add to them Jo 14:28."...........for the Father is greater than I."
Sounds like this coequal stuff is calling Jesus a liar.

Lets look at co-eternal in Rev 3:14 .........the Amen, the true and faithful witness, the BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD.
Just so we understand each other your trying to tell me that Jesus wasn't the beginning of the creation of God but rather created Himself for He is co eternal you said.
If co-eternal then how does He as a creation of God have a beginning? Keep in mind these are the words given to Him by His Father.
So do you also call God a liar? Let Gods word be true.............

He was in the form of God prior to becoming flesh.

We will have to agree to disagree on that one. As I see it He was Jesus of Nazareth until He was baptized by the Father with the Spirit and then was Jesus Christ.
Christ=messiah Jo 1:41 If you find the time look at the dissertation of the generations of Jesus Christ in Matt 1:1-17 count the generations and you will see that
Jesus of Nazareth was the 41st, but Jesus Christ was the 42nd, He was the Christ AFTER His Spiritual baptism, a man first, then spiritually begotten of God.
The Spirit that He was baptized with was the Fathers Spirit, and God says that "My Spirit that is upon thee shall never leave thee" Isa 59:21 How is it that He needed the
Spirit of God to remain on Him if He was God before He got here?
I was under the belief that our salvation was based on the fact that a man kept the law, was crucified even though He did not qualify for death, for our sins, then
God raised Him from the dead and He then was declared to be the Son of God with Power by the resurrection from the dead. Rom 1:4 Rom 10:9
So the Son of God in the flesh first-a man, then spiritually begotten at Jordan-the Christ, then Declared to be the Son of God WITH POWER after He was resurrected.
Seems to be a pattern here. Man then begotten, then declared to be a son with power. Hmm are we not men, who are begotten of God, and once perfected into sons
are glorified with power as well? No wonder He calls us His brethren??? Is He not continually calling us His brethren and that His Father is our Father?
And lastly why is it that Jesus will be in subjection to His Father when the kingdom is delivered up to the Father if they are co-equal? 1 Co 15:28

Just thoughts