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This is shocking what this pastor said about Heaven...

I have a question for the people who judge 'word of faith' preachers....
Ok You're not compelled to trust the Holy Spirit to teach you...
1 Corinthians 2:14

And you stand judging me?

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So there's your Scripture for demon angels being cast into prison.
You remind me of the Jehovah's Witnesses who stitch together random verses to claim that Jesus is the Archangel Michael.

I expect that you'll soon be telling me that the Book of Enoch should be scripture.

And were you to look more closely, Jude aligns with 2nd Peter 2:4, not First Peter.

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;​
(2 Peter 2:4 KJV)​

There is no reason to preach to them. So again, what's the point?

Your Jesus wastes his time, doing what? Some juvenile victory dance in the end zone to suit his ego in front of angles that sinned?? OR... are you claiming that your "demon" spirits can get saved?

Rhema

How come you can't seem to use scripture in your posts?
 
Like I said, if you want to believe that Christ died spiritually, meaning He died lost and doomed to Hell, you can take that up with Christ when you meet Him. This "Christ died spiritually" thing is false doctrine. Nowhere in Scripture will you find where Christ died spiritually. The Scripture says He was put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit. 1 Peter 3:18

I'm not arguing over something this silly.
Interesting.....It says noting about what He did during that time Now you're starting to use scripture, keep it up and we can have a good converstaion without condemning anyone
 
You remind me of the Jehovah's Witnesses who stitch together random verses to claim that Jesus is the Archangel Michael.

I expect that you'll soon be telling me that the Book of Enoch should be scripture.

And were you to look more closely, Jude aligns with 2nd Peter 2:4, not First Peter.

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;​
(2 Peter 2:4 KJV)​

There is no reason to preach to them. So again, what's the point?

Your Jesus wastes his time, doing what? Some juvenile victory dance in the end zone to suit his ego in front of angles that sinned?? OR... are you claiming that your "demon" spirits can get saved?

Rhema

How come you can't seem to use scripture in your posts?

I know, it's tough to take when you're proven wrong! That's when most resort to this type of reply!
 
Like I said, if you want to believe that Christ died spiritually, meaning He died lost and doomed to Hell, you can take that up with Christ when you meet Him. This "Christ died spiritually" thing is false doctrine. Nowhere in Scripture will you find where Christ died spiritually. The Scripture says He was put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit. 1 Peter 3:18

I'm not arguing over something this silly.
I simply pointed out that Copeland did explain what he was talking about that you apparently dismissed out of hand....I did not say what I believe here.....but He WAS separated from life at that time.
 
Yet is there not one salvation?

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (Ephesians 4:4-6 KJV)​

And isn't there neither Jew nor Gentile?

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.​
(Romans 1:16 KJV)​

Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.​
(Colossians 3:11 KJV)​

If Christ is all and in all, I don't see how there could be two separate classes of the saved.

Rhema

Imagine God not letting Abraham and Moses and David be in heaven. :neutral:
God promised several people that they would own and life on a choice piece of property, in the Old Covenant, but they died before they could...Gods promises are still out there and will be kept.
 
I simply pointed out that Copeland did explain what he was talking about that you apparently dismissed out of hand....I did not say what I believe here.....but He WAS separated from life at that time.

Christ was a man, He had a spirit just as we have. Nowhere in Scripture will you see what Copeland has said that Christ died spiritually.

He tries to make it so, but he can't. Christ DID NOT DIE SPIRITUALLY!

He is intentionally lying or he doesn't know any better. I think it's the latter.
 
Well Bill, I've been advised not to talk with you, but I don't see how it makes sense to call Paradise a prison.

The term "Abraham's Bosom" is used as well as "hell" in that parable, and neither "prison" nor "deep" is ever used in that manner. 1Pe 3:19 and Luke 16:22,23 just don't link together.

That said, it makes sense to me that Yashuah would preach to those souls who died in and before the flood, bringing the Word of God to them.

Rhema

Ephesians 4:7-9
7 Each one of us, however, has been given grace to be measured by the Messiah’s bounty. 8 This is why it says,

“After he went up into the heights,
he led captivity captive
and
he gave gifts to mankind.”[a]

9 Now this phrase, “he went up,” what can it mean if not that he first went down into the lower parts, that is, the earth?
 
Christ was a man, He had a spirit just as we have. Nowhere in Scripture will you see what Copeland has said that Christ died spiritually.

He tries to make it so, but he can't. Christ DID NOT DIE SPIRITUALLY!

He is intentionally lying or he doesn't know any better. I think it's the latter.
So, my friend, I'll hand you the same question I asked earlier....maybe you will answer now?

Habakkuk2:4


Behold, his soul which is lifted up isnot upright in him: but the just shall liveby his faith.


Romans1:17


For therein is therighteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: asit is written, The just shall live byfaith.


Galatians3:11


But that no man is justified bythe law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, Thejust shall live by faith.


Hebrews10:38


Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soulshall have no pleasure in him.

You go to church and you'll see that most churches don't even teach faith. Maybe you should do a study on faith and see how important it really is. Without faith you're totally hooped. Why do you condemn preachers who preach faith? Ok You have a point that you disagree with, but EVERY preacher will teach things you disagree with. Why do you throw out the baby with the bathwater and reject faith? And condemn a man at the same timea?
 
So, my friend, I'll hand you the same question I asked earlier....maybe you will answer now?

Habakkuk2:4


Behold, his soul which is lifted up isnot upright in him: but the just shall liveby his faith.


Romans1:17


For therein is therighteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: asit is written, The just shall live byfaith.


Galatians3:11


But that no man is justified bythe law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, Thejust shall live by faith.


Hebrews10:38


Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soulshall have no pleasure in him.

You go to church and you'll see that most churches don't even teach faith. Maybe you should do a study on faith and see how important it really is. Without faith you're totally hooped. Why do you condemn preachers who preach faith? Ok You have a point that you disagree with, but EVERY preacher will teach things you disagree with. Why do you throw out the baby with the bathwater and reject faith? And condemn a man at the same timea?

You sound just like Copeland, adding a little truth to a lie. That's the way Satan works, you know.
 
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