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Every Bible contains Scriptural guidelines for speaking in tongues. Your comment about the use of tongues -- :happy:aul said he'd Rather speak so that everyone could hear and immediately understand what he was saying. But -- he even mentioned a personal private prayer language.
1 Corinthians 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. 13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
Paul is talking about the use of tongues in church whereby those who speak in tongues, should pray that another may interpret that tongue. Paul was not saying that the Holy Spirit is praying when it is his spirit that is praying that someone else may interpret the tongue that is being manifested by the Holy Spirit at that moment. As Paul is praying for someone else to interpret so that he may understand that tongue and that tongue would be fruitful to himself; which is the point for why he was telling believers when they are zealous for spiritual gifts, to see the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts in 1 Corinthians 14:1 and he began to compare prophesy against tongues to show why; it is not a stand alone gift for any one to use privately.
1 Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. .....19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
Tongues for private use would be like saying you have no need of others for using tongues privately and yet you do not know if that tongue is for self edification or a different mode of the claim of the Holy Spirit praying instead. That's confusion for why tongues will come with interpretation or else understood by a foreigner in the assembly or in outreach ministry. So no, Paul was not really saying tongues are for a private prayer language. FYI
It's more a person's personal preference rather than Scriptural guidelines.
Paul cited his preference to scripture plainly here rather than vain & profane babbling that no one can say what that tongue is when it is never interpreted for private use.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.....24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
The devil's will and snare is to seduce believers into not praying themselves normally in doing the Father's will.
1 Thessalonians 5:17 Pray without ceasing. 18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
There was an Hispanic older couple in a church we'd been at. They were both believers -- in their home, they used their own private prayer language and were blessed by that. They said they'd never practice that in church or in a group because people would not understand.
Neither do they unless it was interpreted which proves it was not manifested by the Holy Spirit, but the devil to stop them from praying normally. By praying normally, you know what you had prayed for so that when you get an answer to prayer, you can give the Father thanks in Jesus's name which is also the will of God for you to do. Is it not better to know what that tongue is doing rather than not? So it is better you pray than permit tongue to be used for private use because it is not of Him at all when gained by what people believe was the Holy spirit apart from salvation bringing that tongue which can never come with interpretation because it is not of Him at all.
So -- we'll simply agree to disagree.
I reckon so. I pointed out John 16:13 to you that is found in all Bibles saying that the Holy Spirit can only speak what He hears...here it is in the NIV :
John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come NIV
That scriptural truth is found in all Bible versions in one form or another, but Romans 8:26 goes against what that John 16:13 says in that NIV.
Romans 8:26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God. NIV
Verse 26 implies you can hear the Holy Spirit groaning while verse 27 commits a grammatical error by concluding that verse by switching out the "he" with "the Spirit". How can the "he" be separate from us that searches our hearts and be the "he" that is separate from "the Spirit" in knowing the mind of the Spirit, be "the Spirit" in the conclusion of that verse? That is a grammatical error when verse 27 in the KJV is about Jesus Christ searching our hearts in knowing the mind of the Spirit to give the Spirit's silent intercessions to the Father.
Only the KJV keeps the truth lined up with John 16:13 that not even the groanings of the Holy Spirit can be uttered.
Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. KJV
But usually, tongue speakers today just keep on disregarding the meat of His words for discernment in the KJV that exposes that tongue as gained by what they believe was the Holy Spirit apart from salvation as not of Him at all for why it never comes with interpretation because it is not God's prophesied gift of tongues for speaking unto the people.
1 Corinthians 14:.20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
Like it or not, Romans 8:26-27 KJV is for every believer for why tongues is not being used for the silent intercessions of the Spirit to be known to God the Father which is by the Son knowing the mind of the Spirit for why the Father knows before we ask anything in prayer.
Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Only God can peradventure to recover tongue speakers today from this snare of the devil. I know I cannot convince any one even if we all agree to only go by the KJV for the actual meat of His words that does not decline from the testimony of the Son in keeping the faith which is the good fight in exposing the works of darkness as that tongue can be found in the occult as confirmed by the Bible in Isaiah 8:19 KJV
Isaiah 8:.19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
That is why we were warned not to believe every spirit but test them in 1 John 4:1-4 KJV as any spirit outside of us visiting the worship place or coming over the already saved believer is not the Holy Spirit for why they are speaking the way the world speaks in tongues which is gibberish nonsense as testified in 1 John 4:5-6 KJV as being of the spirit of error.
May God cause the increase.