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You're missing the whole point! The point is...As Christians we NEED to stand and vote....We NEED to start taking our place of authority in this world...not run away
Trump or No Trump That's the Question
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As for myself, while I do NOT condone what Bidet has done, betraying America, I find it just as reprehensible that people would put a man with dementia into that position and hide behind him to do their nefarious deeds....A bunch of cowardly liars....They all need to be hung for treason....And we Christians allow them to do as they will by doing nothing. Joe Bidet has never been for anyone but Joe Bidet but hiding behind a man with dementia? Really?!
Greetings,
is there Scripture saying this? As it pertains to "Christians" it is important to follow Biblical instructions
My question has nothing to do with any political side or difference or preference.
It would help if we could see Scripture about these statements.
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is there Scripture saying this? As it pertains to "Christians" it is important to follow Biblical instructions
My question has nothing to do with any political side or difference or preference.
It would help if we could see Scripture about these statements.
Bless you ....><>
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Some things we dont have a Scripture that says XYZ. We have scripture that tell us if a man does not work he does not eat one that tell us about providing for our own. Some that say give to the poor. They dont tell us exactly what/how to do... We do not have a Scripture hat say 'type His Word on a computer. We have scripture that clearly says "go tell."...They do not say Reba you are to be a hamburger flipper, or @Br. Bear ,you are to be a CEO of the Ford motor company. We have one that says: Mat_22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. It does not tell us today to pay taxes to which ever government we live under. We, IMO, rightly infer it does .
This is the intro to one of Jesus' parables to me the parable gives us an idea how we are to live or lives. Please look/read the parable
Luk 19:13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
Occupy till I come I read this to strongly imply to be part of the community... buy ,sell ,trade, pay taxes, work, . In a country were the opportunity to vote , be part of a the school board, city council, and on up the line we should do so.. I can remember my parents talking about my younger brother not needed higher education because rapture was any day.. Well meaning Godly people stepped back from being involved in local government. To me the evidence, that was not the best thing shows in todays headlines.
This is the intro to one of Jesus' parables to me the parable gives us an idea how we are to live or lives. Please look/read the parable
Luk 19:13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
Occupy till I come I read this to strongly imply to be part of the community... buy ,sell ,trade, pay taxes, work, . In a country were the opportunity to vote , be part of a the school board, city council, and on up the line we should do so.. I can remember my parents talking about my younger brother not needed higher education because rapture was any day.. Well meaning Godly people stepped back from being involved in local government. To me the evidence, that was not the best thing shows in todays headlines.
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my place is not in this world I am simply passing through this place, I am not trying to save this world God said it will end, I have no hope in this world, my hope is in Jesus and the new world in wich he will create,
waisting time in worldly politics is a waist of time IMO its not going to get better, Gods word has made that clear. THe system is 100% rigged, IMO and if you believe in the system that is on you, but please dont force your beliefs on others that disagree with you my citizenship is in Heaven Philippians 3:20
As I stated before I have voted in the past but now I know it will no longer be of any good so I focus on Jesus Christ and eternal matters not worldly things.
John 18:36
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”
So here is the question to you @Reba1 and @Admon Mikha'el do you actually trust the results of the last election, do you think your vote counts??
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Did God place you where you are?
As to the question of trusting the election .. Nope I sure dont... but i dont run from a fight
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I've given the only verse I have....
Luke 19:13
And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come. I've noted, also that "occupy means to busy ones self with the business of running something....as a business.....You also want to remember that God put US in charge in the Earth....If we're in charge, we cannot wimp out just because we do not like the choices.
Psalm 115:16
16 Heaven belongs to Adonai,
but the earth he has given to humankind.
WE are in charge in the Earth....Look at it as kind of a training ground for ruling with Jesus throughout eternity.
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Maybe you should read all of what God says about our time on the Earth? Not just the parts you like best?
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There is a saying....."So heavenly minded, he's no Earthly good" This is not our home....but we still have a job to do while we're here.
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who is your fight with?? what are you fighting for?? Do you think this country can be saved??
my fight is not with the democrats or the liberals my fighting is done on my knees and on my face in my prayer closets, we should be praying for these lost souls. And since we are in Christ he does our fighting and we already have victory in Chirst..
Ephesians 6:12
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.
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actually that would be wise for yourself to apply, you have not shown any-wear in scripture it suggest that we are to vote in a corrupt rigged election, you are letting your emotion blind you to what you believe is correct.
When Jesus came to the Jews, they were under ROman rule, he did not try to free them in a worldly way did he??? he did not get involved in politics did he??
“Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things” (Colossians 3:1-2).
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So, Dave, what you are saying is...Even though Christians have dominion in the earth and have responsibilities in the earth, we should run and hide. Ok Dave....that answers the question I asked earlier I guess....Go for it my friend....I would say that you and I have no basis for discussion on this subject....If you won't believe the entire Word ...What is there to say?
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I do NOT disagree with your words . with your prayer
I also agree with
2Ch_7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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That's a promise most Christians tend to ignore....2Ch_7:14 I'm very glad to see somebody takes it seriously....I remember, as a new Christian, I shared that promise with a pastor, and he was shocked that it is even there....I guess he learned something....maybe.
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I did not write this ... I could have except i am not in therapy ..
Hello friends I am new here. I grew up in a very premil family and they instilled a lot of anxiety in me at a young age by always talking about how the end of the world is upon us. Basically telling me (without even realizing what they were doing) that I had no future, and if I did, it would be full of suffering. I’m honestly not sure where I stand in my eschatology— learning about postmil I was very intrigued. The optimism gave me hope. But, I also want my theology to be biblically sound and not just true because I want it to be and don’t want to entertain the idea that myself or my son has a bleak future. That thought honestly paralyzes me. I say all that to say, if you guys could please leave some biblically based, encouraging evidence that postmil is indeed the correct way to interpret scripture and eschatology, I’d really appreciate it. I saw something earlier today that really triggered my anxiety and I’m having a hard time. (And before anyone asks, yes I am in therapy lol trying really hard to work through this childhood trauma induced anxiety)
My brothers reply to the above post...
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. Every pre-mil scheme is based on the contrary of this passage. All waiting for Jesus to appear in the body and set things right. Exactly the opposite of what Jesus said. We know Jesus is enthroned in heaven . We have His own promise of the Comforter. SO Our Lord is as the right hand of God and has sent the Holy Spirit to do ??? To aid the church in her commissioned task. There is NO better system to accomplish the conversion of the world, to fulfill the great prayer_ 'Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven' He is more than able and will to accomplish all that required have long ago performed , alone, that which was the most difficult. Can I get an amen??
What you are beginning to see is that this is far more that a mere difference in eschatology . It is a far better view of our Lord's accomplishments and the application of them in history. Look close because there is no going back, you'll never be satisfied with that mismash again.
Hello friends I am new here. I grew up in a very premil family and they instilled a lot of anxiety in me at a young age by always talking about how the end of the world is upon us. Basically telling me (without even realizing what they were doing) that I had no future, and if I did, it would be full of suffering. I’m honestly not sure where I stand in my eschatology— learning about postmil I was very intrigued. The optimism gave me hope. But, I also want my theology to be biblically sound and not just true because I want it to be and don’t want to entertain the idea that myself or my son has a bleak future. That thought honestly paralyzes me. I say all that to say, if you guys could please leave some biblically based, encouraging evidence that postmil is indeed the correct way to interpret scripture and eschatology, I’d really appreciate it. I saw something earlier today that really triggered my anxiety and I’m having a hard time. (And before anyone asks, yes I am in therapy lol trying really hard to work through this childhood trauma induced anxiety)
My brothers reply to the above post...
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. Every pre-mil scheme is based on the contrary of this passage. All waiting for Jesus to appear in the body and set things right. Exactly the opposite of what Jesus said. We know Jesus is enthroned in heaven . We have His own promise of the Comforter. SO Our Lord is as the right hand of God and has sent the Holy Spirit to do ??? To aid the church in her commissioned task. There is NO better system to accomplish the conversion of the world, to fulfill the great prayer_ 'Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven' He is more than able and will to accomplish all that required have long ago performed , alone, that which was the most difficult. Can I get an amen??
What you are beginning to see is that this is far more that a mere difference in eschatology . It is a far better view of our Lord's accomplishments and the application of them in history. Look close because there is no going back, you'll never be satisfied with that mismash again.
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My vote means that I do not roll over and allow myself and others to be streamrolled by evil people. My vote say "I stand against evil" No vote says "I give up..you can eat us alive if you want"
I would rather screw up trying to obey Gods Word than screw up by running away from the challenge...
Greetings @Admon Mikha'el and @Reba1
do you really think that is what the parable in Luke 19 is about?
Bless you ....><>
do you really think that is what the parable in Luke 19 is about?
Bless you ....><>
