Luke 19 covers much more than what I mentioned , I was not giving a sermon on Luke 19 . You are not adding anything to me thanks any way !
Trump or No Trump That's the Question
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Br. Bear said:
Greetings @Admon Mikha'el and @Reba1
do you really think that is what the parable in Luke 19 is about?
Greetings @Admon Mikha'el and @Reba1
do you really think that is what the parable in Luke 19 is about?
I do not understand your post i was answering @Br. Bear 's question .
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That can become a fatal mistake.
For in the day that I brought your ancestors out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to them or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices.
(Jeremiah 7:22 NRSV)
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OK.... all is good
( i thought you might point out that i did, too! )
Jesus is Lord
Bless you ....><>
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Lol. satan and his demons run organised religions. The majority of gatherings were in peoples houses or out in a field somewhere, not with a hierachy in charge. Be very careful who you spend sundays with, your salvation is at stake here.Who's doing the organizing in "organized religion" if not the people?
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(When you rejected a church, was it because of doctrine or because you just didn't like the people?)
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Of course there were structures of authority and accountability. The new testament letters mention apostles, elders, overseers, deacons, pastors.
Read the early chapters of the Book of Acts. The church started with the apostles overseeing everything, then after the church grew in number, the Ananias and Saphira incident and murmurs about the unfair distribution of food, the church appointed godly spirit-filled men to look after these things. Acts 6.
If salvation is at stake, I worry that you are on the wrong side of the argument.
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No they don't.
They have better things to do.
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL power/authority is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
(Matthew 28:18 KJV)
The hierarchy you despise is in your own Bible.
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
(Acts 2:42 KJV)
Doesn't say "anybody's doctrine" or doctrine to whom anybody was given by the Holy Ghost. The apostles WERE in charge. The TWELVE were in charge - if not, how could they call a meeting?
Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.
(Acts 6:2 KJV)
And if not, how could the Twelve APPOINT people to do something?
Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.
(Acts 6:3 KJV)
Your very own Bible gives witness to the hierarchy that you reject -
For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
(Titus 1:5 KJV)
The question would be why do you reject what is plainly written?
And that's something to tell yourself in a mirror.
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well, I am out! You just exposed yourself. If you seriously think the organised religions in these times are Godly , then I shall pray for you. All the best and good luck.
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Never said that.
You should really focus on what is actually said. Humans can be ungodly all on their own. No reason to blame devils.
Yes, you seem to keep leaving (churches especially).
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yes it is all abut gathering with other saints, are you able to find any to gather with???
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this is my mission
but alas to no avail so far. I do keep to myself and have no friends nor contact with family, never married nor any kids. So its just me and Jesus
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Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Act 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
Act_1:14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.
Act 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
Act_2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Mat_18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Do you place yourself above the Godly men of old ? To think you dont need the God given church authority
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
2Co 10:7 Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.
2Co 10:8 For though I should boast somewhat more of our authority, which the Lord hath given us for edification, and not for your destruction, I should not be ashamed:
Act 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
Act_1:14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.
Act 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
Act_2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Mat_18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Do you place yourself above the Godly men of old ? To think you dont need the God given church authority
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
2Co 10:7 Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.
2Co 10:8 For though I should boast somewhat more of our authority, which the Lord hath given us for edification, and not for your destruction, I should not be ashamed:
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this is my mission
How is that you are able to be servant of people if you do not interact with any??
Greetings all,
let us not stray too far away from the thread topic.
Feel free to weave the following back into it, if possible:
In all honesty, what Gregory @Gregoryp is sharing is a common situation in some countries. We do see many, and lots more, different makes and models of 'Church' and/or denominations. A lot of them, if not all, have warts and smelly parts.
Something we can overlook is, as we 'learn' more about what the Bible says, we see inconsistencies in the 'churches' and sometimes outright 'wrongs'. A little 'research' and we often discover that one 'church' is in bed with an organisation that has tentacles spreading all over the place. I say tentacles because i am referring to the goups that blatantly go against what is considered and understood to be sound Biblical teaching and doctrinal practice.
Then we have the different flavors of 'doing church' and with that, the different and sometimes opposite doctrinal positions that we either do or don't agree with, at any point in our lives and walk.
Sounds a bit like choosing a political party to follow.
So, the dilemma becomes, where can i go to 'church'? If i go there, they do this. If i go there, they do that and so on. Or even, they don't do this or that.
So, while we can read and quote Scripture about the early Church and we might even attend a 'Church' ourselves, regularly and 'faithfully', there can be a definite difficulty finding a 'church' that we 'feel' comfortable attending, if we don't already do so.
For a very long time there have been 'church' splits. Different 'issues' arise and some go this way, some go that.
History tells of horrific wars, persecutions and betrayals in what most people call, 'Church'.
So, should a person go somewhere to fellowship and simply close their eyes to things they don't agree with or 'makes' them very uncomfortable? If so, how can we offer some advice about how to do it and how to hear from the Lord in fellowship, etc?
We definitely should be in fellowship as we read in the Bible. What can someone like Gregory do?
I don't think that us 'ganging up on' Gregory is the answer. I know that we might not mean to... but if most replies seemed to be against me, i would be excused for thinking like that, if it was me. How about you?
I am not saying that Gregory or anyone else should stick with their approach, stubbornly, nor that fellowship can be done with nobody else. But as i wrote before, it is a real dilemma that a lot of people face.
Post in Peace
Jesus is Lord
Bless you ....><>
let us not stray too far away from the thread topic.
Feel free to weave the following back into it, if possible:
In all honesty, what Gregory @Gregoryp is sharing is a common situation in some countries. We do see many, and lots more, different makes and models of 'Church' and/or denominations. A lot of them, if not all, have warts and smelly parts.
Something we can overlook is, as we 'learn' more about what the Bible says, we see inconsistencies in the 'churches' and sometimes outright 'wrongs'. A little 'research' and we often discover that one 'church' is in bed with an organisation that has tentacles spreading all over the place. I say tentacles because i am referring to the goups that blatantly go against what is considered and understood to be sound Biblical teaching and doctrinal practice.
Then we have the different flavors of 'doing church' and with that, the different and sometimes opposite doctrinal positions that we either do or don't agree with, at any point in our lives and walk.
Sounds a bit like choosing a political party to follow.
So, the dilemma becomes, where can i go to 'church'? If i go there, they do this. If i go there, they do that and so on. Or even, they don't do this or that.
So, while we can read and quote Scripture about the early Church and we might even attend a 'Church' ourselves, regularly and 'faithfully', there can be a definite difficulty finding a 'church' that we 'feel' comfortable attending, if we don't already do so.
For a very long time there have been 'church' splits. Different 'issues' arise and some go this way, some go that.
History tells of horrific wars, persecutions and betrayals in what most people call, 'Church'.
So, should a person go somewhere to fellowship and simply close their eyes to things they don't agree with or 'makes' them very uncomfortable? If so, how can we offer some advice about how to do it and how to hear from the Lord in fellowship, etc?
We definitely should be in fellowship as we read in the Bible. What can someone like Gregory do?
I don't think that us 'ganging up on' Gregory is the answer. I know that we might not mean to... but if most replies seemed to be against me, i would be excused for thinking like that, if it was me. How about you?
I am not saying that Gregory or anyone else should stick with their approach, stubbornly, nor that fellowship can be done with nobody else. But as i wrote before, it is a real dilemma that a lot of people face.
Post in Peace
Jesus is Lord
Bless you ....><>
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Hey, simple answer. Start your own. I know a number of house churches, but one shouldn't declare defeat and take one's ball and go home. (Sorry for the American idiom.)
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(Note, I didn't say easy answer.)
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I just love Bears heart, so glad you pointed this out, was not my intention, ganging up on anyone
I pray for brother Gregory to find some folk to fellowship with, it is one of the greatest Joys our father in heaven has given us IMO
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I have been like that from a very young age, I remember cousins at arriving at our household when I was very young and I disappeared into my bedroom alone. Just who I am
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I have been like that from a very young age, I remember cousins at arriving at our household when I was very young and I disappeared into my bedroom alone. Just who I am
But it's not who He created you to be.
