Reba1, previous changes in Global Temperatures and climate patterns have been caused by "Natural" events, the main one being the amount of Solar Energy produced by the Sun, although Volcanic activity has also played a part and i believe at various times there have been releases of huge amounts of Methane from the Oceans, described as a "Burp", Methane is a Greenhouse Gas approximately 80 times more effective than CO2 in warming the Planet, although its effects are much shorter than CO2, ......... however if you believe the Science, todays warming trend has nothing to do with any of these previous "Natural" events and is purely a product of Human activity in burning Fossil fuels, as such it is a unique event in History, there are no precedents, so i too fail to understand how your question about past warming trends has any relevance to the situation today, ......... but my questions do have a direct relevance to the issue we now face, so i ask you again, how do you think God is going to judge those who through their, ignorance, stupidity , greed, or indifference have brought his world to the brink of destruction?, are we begging his forgiveness for the suffering and destruction we are causing?, and are we going to significantly change our lifestyles to limit as much as possible any further harm to his creation?
U.N. Climate Change Report is "CODE RED" For HUMANITY!
- Thread starter PloughBoy
- Start date
Gregoryp there is no misunderstanding as to "who is sitting on his throne with his son on sitting on his right hand side", but there is an understanding that Christ called us to be the Light of this World, to feed the hungry, Clothe the Naked, house the homeless and visit the sick and imprisoned, he called his followers to "Love your neighbour as yourself " and to "treat others as you would want them to treat you", Christ blessed those that "Hunger and Thirst after Righteousness" and called the Peacemakers "the children of God", we are in this World to show Gods love and compassion, to endure a life of suffering and hardship for our beliefs, to daily take up our cross, we cannot but be in this world, for that is how Christ commanded we live,......... but what if the way we are living is doing exactly the opposite , what if our lifestyle is causing Death, suffering and destruction on a massive scale, what will Gods punishment be then?,......... i do not doubt that we are living in the "end times", but they are an "end times" caused by Humanitys Greed and indifference, and for those that are responsible, i do not doubt that God will deal with them accordingly.
this problem extends far beyond the trivial matters of a single person's influence on the earths climate.
how will God judge Thomas Midgley Jr. - Wikipedia. ? he could be indirectly responsible for more deaths than any other single person in history, simply due to the increased violence caused by lead poisoning, but how many others share the responsibility of promoting the lead anti knock additive knowing how bad it is for humans. or take the leadership at picher oklahoma for example. they knew very well the mine tailings were full of lead.
allegedly (if you can believe it) the issues with flint michigan were discovered when some teacher from out of town moved there and discovered the children are retarded. yet.. allegedly.. there are hundreds of other cities in america with a higher lead content in the water. i'm not sure what to believe about that.
"are we going to significantly change our lifestyles to limit as much as possible any further harm to his creation?"
we probably should be... given how much we know about how things work these days. its hard for me to justify having a child today, as the tax burden they face is doing more harm to someone else than their profit could ever offset. (that is the governments of the world are so evil that the 20-30% tax burden of their labor does more harm to everyone else, than the 10-40% of their income that they could theoretically give to charity would ever offset)
True, but even so, as Christians we have personal responsibility for our actions and will be judged accordingly, if its the right thing to do then we do it regardless of the effects, those of us that live in the Rich World are responsible for Climate change, we have built our Wealth and comfort on the burning of Fossil Fuels, and the consequences of our actions are being felt by those least responsible for the problem, millions of Men, Women and Children in the poorest parts of the world, those least able to adapt to or cope with the effects of climate change are already suffering , and we are responsible for their suffering, and as the tragedy unfolds, which it will, Ecosystems will collapse , Droughts, Storms and floods will ravage the Earth and rising sea levels due to Ocean expansion and the melting of the Polar Ice caps will force tens of millions to flee their lands and homes,..... so the very least we need to do is to take personal responsibility for the suffering we,ve caused , and will cause in the future , ask God for forgiveness for what we've done in the past and take whatever action we can to mitigate our climate impact in the future
that is up to God, i do not judge anyone in terms of their salvation or otherwise, that is Gods prerogative alone, but i would say that i think ALL of us are going to have to answer for sins that we have committed, either through things we have done, or more likely not done, that at present we dont even recognise as Sin. The Evil we are complicit in but perhaps because its as part of a group, or a Nation, or its seen as "normal" or culturally accepted, never the less causes suffering and destruction to others.
if we know that our actions are causing suffering and destruction to others then as part of Christs Commandment to" Love your Neighbour as yourself" we need to change our ways, significantly change our ways to limit the harm we're doing, its not a question of "we probably should be", but that we have to if we call ourselves a follower of Christ, how much we change is our decision, but as with all of our decisions we will be judged accordingly.
Reba1
Active
- Joined
- Mar 8, 2020
- Messages
- 1,281
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Do i believe the same science as you no i do not. Maybe i should believe the science i was taught in the 50s ya know that man and dinosaurs lived on the earth at the same time. But man does away with that fact or theory funny how that science was in line with Scripture. Do i believe the science of the 70s which taught of a global cooling ... when that didnt work out 'they' claimed global warming then the science noticed that was not exactly so so 'they' came up with a phrase that covers both ends 'climate change' ! Now they will always be correct. Remember when science taught as fact there were 9 planets? Folks are welcome to trust in mans knowledge should they choose. No doubt science has brought mankind many good things what comes to mind first off is some of the medical miracles. That said it does not mean all 'they' say is truth or solid facts. I will trust in the Lord and His word.
Hekuran
Faithful Brother in Christ
- Joined
- Nov 18, 2008
- Messages
- 3,970
Newspapers in the 70s had headlines on global cooling. But scientists were thinking about rising temperatures.
Climate change is a more accurate description than global warming, as the effects are likely to vary from place to place. For example, if rising global temperatures cause the Gulf Stream to move, Britain, where I live, could become cooler and wetter.
The science on climate change has been pretty consistent for the last 50 years, and the evidence is growing all the time.
So if you dont believe that the burning of Fossil fuels is causing Global Warming and consequent Climate Change, what do you think is?. Are you aware that something like 98% of Climate Scientists and Meteorologists now accept that Global Warming is taking place and that Human activity in the form of the burning of Fossil Fuels is the cause?. Every Government in the World, including the Big Oil and Gas producers like the US, Canada, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Kuwait, UAE, have now signed up to the Paris Agreement to limit Greenhouse Gas emissions in an attempt to keep Global Temperature rise to below 1.5 degree C. All the major scientific Bodies and Government Scientific advisors are in agreement about the causes of Global warming and even the major Oil and Gas companies, Shell, Exxon/Mobil, BP, Texaco agree that the cause of global warming is the burning of fossil fuels and have now been forced to admit in court that they knew the dangers more than 40 years ago. Their own scientists were warning of the effects of burning oil and Gas, but to protect their investments and maintain their profits they buried the findings.
The "truth" of the science is plain to see. Ice Caps melting, Wildfires ravaging the Earth, storms, floods and Droughts increasing in frequency and severity, the Oceans acidifying and rising. Its not a question of trusting in Science or trusting in God, its a question of accepting the truth, or for whatever reason, clinging to a lie.
Yes it is hard to accept that we are responsible for all this suffering and destruction, that through our greed and ignorance we have destroyed Gods creation and inflicted untold horrors on millions of the poorest men, women and children in the world, but better to accept that truth now, ask for forgiveness and act to change our lifestyles , than to wait until we stand before God and have to answer for our unrepentant sins.
So Reba1, why don't you believe the science behind Global Warming, what do you know that the top Climate Scientists, Scientific bodies such as NASA, the NOAA and others and the Oil Companies themselves don't, because i'm sure they'd be only too glad to hear it, especially the Oil Companies.
.
Reba1
Active
- Joined
- Mar 8, 2020
- Messages
- 1,281
I have understood, seen, read, etc in my life time, that the facts of science change. NOAA cant not get the next day forecast right all the time. @Rad follow the money,,,, if you really believe what you say why are you using the resources?
A number of these huge ugly fires here is California have been set by PG&E.. like the Dixie fire a few miles from my home.... the Valley fire about 6 years ago was caused by some guy jerry rigging his hot tub. Not global warming or climate change... Do gooder groups like the Sierra Club not allowing forest floor clean up , in the name of worshipping the creation as apposed to the Creator.
If there was a way to get out of admitting the truth of the science of Global warming, then the Big oil, Gas and Coal Companies would have found it. For decades they have tried to obscure the Issue, put doubt in Peoples minds, buy off Politicians and put forward alternative theories as to why the Earth is Warming and the Climate changing. But eventually their lies and half truths just ran out, and as the situation becomes even more dire they have had to admit that the World is warming, Climates are Changing and the Burning of Fossil Fuels is to blame.
You say "follow the Money", do you really think they would risk losing out on hundreds of billions of $ worth of revenue and Investments if there was the slightest chance that the current thinking was wrong. And do you think the Big oil , Gas and Coal producing countries are going to lose hundreds of billions, perhaps even Trillions of $ in revenue if there was just a chance , however small, that they could prolong the doubt and curb effective action to reduce Greenhouse gases?.
You say "I have understood, seen, read, etc in my life time, that the facts of science change.", of course they do, and as our understanding of this issue increases so it becomes plainer for all to see that the Earth is warming just as Climate scientists predicted it would, what was a theory is a theory no longer, it is hard facts backed up by empirical evidence. When the IPCC issued their latest report it gathers information from all across the world as to how the climate is changing, ice caps and Glaciers are melting, CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere are higher than theve been in the last 2 million years , Forests are burning, Droughts, storms and floods are increasing in frequency and Severity, Oceans are warming and their acidity increasing as they absorb vast amounts of CO2 from the atmosphere , sea levels are rising, so much information as to what is happening now , and from that and their vast experience and knowledge , they make predictions for the future. These are the top academics in their field, people who have devoted their lives to this subject, who have put forward theories and have seen how they are manifesting in the real world, and they are all coming true, many sooner than expected.
But you seriously think that by doing a little reading, and observing a little, you are in a position to contradict this vast bulk of scientific knowledge, the concensus of ALL the governments of the World, many of whom have been dragged kicking and screaming to be forced to admit the reality of Global warming, and the acknowledgement of even the very industries that profit so much from the burning of Fossil Fuels.
So please, tell me what you last read that helped convince you that all these Scientists, all these companies and all these governments, have got it so wrong, because i would truly love to know?.
Bob Carabbio
Active
- Joined
- Aug 21, 2019
- Messages
- 842
THE SKY IS FALLING!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!! We're all gonna DIE!!!! Probably horribly!!!!
Jesus_is_LORD
Loyal
- Joined
- Nov 10, 2015
- Messages
- 2,829
I agree that God is in control and controls the seasons, however I don't think that means that we should not take care of the planet.
God left Adam and Eve, humanity, as stewards of His creation. I don't think it makes sense to sit back and trash the planet and pollute the waters, etc, etc and say God is
in control.
God put us in control. I'm not one who is pushing that climate change is our biggest threat, so please don't think I'm on that bus. However
I am saying that it upsets me when I see Christians stand behind the point that God is in control -- that takes away our stewardship responsibility.
God is sovereign over what happens to my house, but that doesn't mean that I don't clean my room, cut my grass, etc, etc.
I'm not saying this is your position, but your comment reminds me of many who do hold this position.
Once again, before anyone misunderstands me, I am not saying that climate change is our biggest problem, I think the biggest problem
is mankind getting their souls right with Jesus before He returns or before they die and go to meet Him.
With that said, I still recycle and I still believe that we are put here as stewards. God told Adam to tend the garden (Eden) and I see that
command extending to us in terms of tending to the whole earth. I don't really see where the debate is. I think it is obvious that as Christians
we are stewards and caretakers of this planet. And even if you don't believe in climate change, you can't deny that our poor stewardship of this
planet has an impact on our quality of life, such as endangered species, smog pollution in China, polluted waters from oil spills, electromagnetic radiation
pollution impacting cancer rates, etc, etc. A healthier planet means a better quality of life for us (food quality, food sustainability, better air quality, better physical health, etc, etc).
Let us take care of what God has given us and continue to seek Jesus in all things. Is there really any debate about that?
Jesus_is_LORD
Loyal
- Joined
- Nov 10, 2015
- Messages
- 2,829
I think many people respond to climate change they way they do because they think that if they acknowledge that
we are messing up the planet that doing so undermines God's sovereignty. I would disagree.
It would be similar to people denying that bad things are happening because that undermines God's promises
to protect us.
Or denying that people are suffering in poverty because it would make people doubt God's promises to provide for those who ask.
--Now I'm not panicking about climate change or freaking out , but I think when Christian's use God's sovereignty as a cover
to deny what is clearly happening or feel threatened by the scientific data, they serve as a poor witness.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
In my mind I can harmonize these two points and they are perfectly ego-syntonic that
God can fore-warn us that in the last days it will be difficult to tell the change of the season and there will be
earthquakes and disasters, with the point that we are seeing now that our behaviors are causing impact
on the planet and could be contributing to what is happening. I don't see those two points being in tension
or disagreement with each other. But many do and respond in a way that I feel weakens Christian witness.
--- Unrelated but similarly with weakening Christian witness is the race issue.
Many Christians will speak up against abortion and the LGBTQ, but when it comes to racial
injustice, they get so caught up and pushing against "social justice" that they don't empathize
with those who are the "least of these" due to racial prejudice they have endured. As a result
Christian witness is weakened because the world sees it as Christians being more concern about
the message than actually loving people.
Similarly, with the climate issue, Christian witness I believe is damaged because many are so concerned
with "God is in control, man can't destroy the world because the Bible tells us it will be here" that they
miss their duty and an opportunity to witness by being good stewards of the planet, even if IT WILL be here when Jesus returns.
we are messing up the planet that doing so undermines God's sovereignty. I would disagree.
It would be similar to people denying that bad things are happening because that undermines God's promises
to protect us.
Or denying that people are suffering in poverty because it would make people doubt God's promises to provide for those who ask.
--Now I'm not panicking about climate change or freaking out , but I think when Christian's use God's sovereignty as a cover
to deny what is clearly happening or feel threatened by the scientific data, they serve as a poor witness.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
In my mind I can harmonize these two points and they are perfectly ego-syntonic that
God can fore-warn us that in the last days it will be difficult to tell the change of the season and there will be
earthquakes and disasters, with the point that we are seeing now that our behaviors are causing impact
on the planet and could be contributing to what is happening. I don't see those two points being in tension
or disagreement with each other. But many do and respond in a way that I feel weakens Christian witness.
--- Unrelated but similarly with weakening Christian witness is the race issue.
Many Christians will speak up against abortion and the LGBTQ, but when it comes to racial
injustice, they get so caught up and pushing against "social justice" that they don't empathize
with those who are the "least of these" due to racial prejudice they have endured. As a result
Christian witness is weakened because the world sees it as Christians being more concern about
the message than actually loving people.
Similarly, with the climate issue, Christian witness I believe is damaged because many are so concerned
with "God is in control, man can't destroy the world because the Bible tells us it will be here" that they
miss their duty and an opportunity to witness by being good stewards of the planet, even if IT WILL be here when Jesus returns.
Jesus_is_LORD
Loyal
- Joined
- Nov 10, 2015
- Messages
- 2,829
A big problem with much of Christianity today, and sorry for the rant, is that
we get so caught up in the message that we forget loving people or being a good witness.
For example, there is a church that demonstrates at abortion clinics, they yell at women going
to seek that service telling them that they are going to hell.
They are not showing love and serving as a horrible witness. I am totally against abortion and do not support it at all.
However, ask yourself, which one of those Christians protesting at an abortion clinic has ever signed
up to be a foster parent? It is easy to tell a women not to kill their child but harder to love her by offering to
be a foster parent and raise the child. Like Jesus told the Pharisee, they put burdens on men's backs but
don't do anything to ease their load.
I agree 100% we should speak out against abortion and spread the truth, however I think many Christians get
so caught up in sending the "message" that they forget to love people and forget about their witness.
we get so caught up in the message that we forget loving people or being a good witness.
For example, there is a church that demonstrates at abortion clinics, they yell at women going
to seek that service telling them that they are going to hell.
They are not showing love and serving as a horrible witness. I am totally against abortion and do not support it at all.
However, ask yourself, which one of those Christians protesting at an abortion clinic has ever signed
up to be a foster parent? It is easy to tell a women not to kill their child but harder to love her by offering to
be a foster parent and raise the child. Like Jesus told the Pharisee, they put burdens on men's backs but
don't do anything to ease their load.
I agree 100% we should speak out against abortion and spread the truth, however I think many Christians get
so caught up in sending the "message" that they forget to love people and forget about their witness.
Reba1
Active
- Joined
- Mar 8, 2020
- Messages
- 1,281
Jesus_is_LORD
Loyal
- Joined
- Nov 10, 2015
- Messages
- 2,829
Amen, glory be to God. Thank God for Unity in the Body of Christ.
Reminds me of a new topic. Please comment after I make it in the Bible Discussion forum.
Love and God Bless.
-WNL
Reba1
Active
- Joined
- Mar 8, 2020
- Messages
- 1,281
“THE LIST” — SCIENTISTS WHO PUBLICLY DISAGREE WITH THE CURRENT CONSENSUS ON CLIMATE CHANGE
DECEMBER 20, 2018 CAP ALLON
For those still blindly banging the 97% drum, here’s an in-no-way-comprehensive list of the SCIENTISTS who publicly disagree with the current consensus on climate change.
There are currently 85 names on the list, though it is embryonic and dynamic. Suggestions for omissions and/or additions can be added to the comment section below and, if validated, will –eventually– serve to update the list.
SCIENTISTS ARGUING THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS PRIMARILY CAUSED BY NATURAL PROCESSES
— scientists that have called the observed warming attributable to natural causes, i.e. the high solar activity witnessed over the last few decades.
- Khabibullo Abdusamatov, astrophysicist at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences.[81][82]
- Sallie Baliunas, retired astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.[83][84][85]
- Timothy Ball, historical climatologist, and retired professor of geography at the University of Winnipeg.[86][87][88]
- Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa.[89][90]
- Vincent Courtillot, geophysicist, member of the French Academy of Sciences.[91]
- Doug Edmeades, PhD., soil scientist, officer of the New Zealand Order of Merit.[92]
- David Dilley, B.S. and M.S. in meteorology, CEO Global Weather Oscillations Inc. [198][199]
- David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester.[93][94]
- Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University.[95][96]
- William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy; emeritus professor, Princeton University.[39][97]
- Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, Theoretical Physicist and Researcher, Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico.[98]
- Ole Humlum, professor of geology at the University of Oslo.[99][100]
- Wibjörn Karlén, professor emeritus of geography and geology at the University of Stockholm.[101][102]
- William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology.[103][104]
- David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware.[105][106]
- Anthony Lupo, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Missouri.[107][108]
- Jennifer Marohasy, an Australian biologist, former director of the Australian Environment Foundation.[109][110]
- Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa.[111][112]
- Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and professor of geology at Carleton University in Canada.[113][114]
- Ian Plimer, professor emeritus of mining geology, the University of Adelaide.[115][116]
- Arthur B. Robinson, American politician, biochemist and former faculty member at the University of California, San Diego.[117][118]
- Murry Salby, atmospheric scientist, former professor at Macquarie University and University of Colorado.[119][120]
- Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University.[121][122][123]
- Tom Segalstad, geologist; associate professor at University of Oslo.[124][125]
- Nedialko (Ned) T. Nikolov, PhD in Ecological Modelling, physical scientist for the U.S. Forest Service [200]
- Nir Shaviv, professor of physics focusing on astrophysics and climate science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.[126][127]
- Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia.[128][129][130][131]
- Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.[132][133]
- Roy Spencer, meteorologist; principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville.[134][135]
- Henrik Svensmark, physicist, Danish National Space Center.[136][137]
- George H. Taylor, retired director of the Oregon Climate Service at Oregon State University.[138][139]
- Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, professor emeritus from University of Ottawa.[140][141]
SCIENTISTS PUBLICLY QUESTIONING THE ACCURACY OF IPCC CLIMATE MODELS
- Dr. Jarl R. Ahlbeck, chemical engineer at Abo Akademi University in Finland, former Greenpeace member. [203][204]
- David Bellamy, botanist.[19][20][21][22]
- Lennart Bengtsson, meteorologist, Reading University.[23
“THE LIST” — SCIENTISTS WHO PUBLICLY DISAGREE WITH THE CURRENT CONSENSUS ON CLIMATE CHANGE
DECEMBER 20, 2018 CAP ALLON
For those still blindly banging the 97% drum, here’s an in-no-way-comprehensive list of the SCIENTISTS who publicly disagree with the current consensus on climate change.
There are currently 85 names on the list, though it is embryonic and dynamic. Suggestions for omissions and/or additions can be added to the comment section below and, if validated, will –eventually– serve to update the list.
SCIENTISTS ARGUING THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS PRIMARILY CAUSED BY NATURAL PROCESSES
— scientists that have called the observed warming attributable to natural causes, i.e. the high solar activity witnessed over the last few decades.
- Khabibullo Abdusamatov, astrophysicist at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences.[81][82]
- Sallie Baliunas, retired astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.[83][84][85]
- Timothy Ball, historical climatologist, and retired professor of geography at the University of Winnipeg.[86][87][88]
- Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa.[89][90]
- Vincent Courtillot, geophysicist, member of the French Academy of Sciences.[91]
- Doug Edmeades, PhD., soil scientist, officer of the New Zealand Order of Merit.[92]
- David Dilley, B.S. and M.S. in meteorology, CEO Global Weather Oscillations Inc. [198][199]
- David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester.[93][94]
- Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University.[95][96]
- William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy; emeritus professor, Princeton University.[39][97]
- Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, Theoretical Physicist and Researcher, Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico.[98]
- Ole Humlum, professor of geology at the University of Oslo.[99][100]
- Wibjörn Karlén, professor emeritus of geography and geology at the University of Stockholm.[101][102]
- William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology.[103][104]
- David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware.[105][106]
- Anthony Lupo, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Missouri.[107][108]
- Jennifer Marohasy, an Australian biologist, former director of the Australian Environment Foundation.[109][110]
- Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa.[111][112]
- Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and professor of geology at Carleton University in Canada.[113][114]
- Ian Plimer, professor emeritus of mining geology, the University of Adelaide.[115][116]
- Arthur B. Robinson, American politician, biochemist and former faculty member at the University of California, San Diego.[117][118]
- Murry Salby, atmospheric scientist, former professor at Macquarie University and University of Colorado.[119][120]
- Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University.[121][122][123]
- Tom Segalstad, geologist; associate professor at University of Oslo.[124][125]
- Nedialko (Ned) T. Nikolov, PhD in Ecological Modelling, physical scientist for the U.S. Forest Service [200]
- Nir Shaviv, professor of physics focusing on astrophysics and climate science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.[126][127]
- Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia.[128][129][130][131]
- Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.[132][133]
- Roy Spencer, meteorologist; principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville.[134][135]
- Henrik Svensmark, physicist, Danish National Space Center.[136][137]
- George H. Taylor, retired director of the Oregon Climate Service at Oregon State University.[138][139]
- Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, professor emeritus from University of Ottawa.[140][141]
SCIENTISTS PUBLICLY QUESTIONING THE ACCURACY OF IPCC CLIMATE MODELS
- Dr. Jarl R. Ahlbeck, chemical engineer at Abo Akademi University in Finland, former Greenpeace member. [203][204]
- David Bellamy, botanist.[19][20][21][22]
- Lennart Bengtsson, meteorologist, Reading University.[23
Jesus_is_LORD
Loyal
- Joined
- Nov 10, 2015
- Messages
- 2,829
Thanks for sharing the data.
So just a question, would you say that if the cause of climate change is more related to natural causes
then the push for reduce carbon emission is a a flawed approach because such emissions (cars, factories,etc)
is not the main contributor?
Would that be what you are saying? Just asking to understand, not stating a position but seeking to understand.
