What do you believe?

[KingJ]

Where did you learn that nonsense?

Trying to be polite. But sure, speaking nicely only lasts until you meet a fellow 'so called' brother who teaches material errors.

Evil in whatever form IS to be mocked, insulted, and fought against. In fact, if a person believes something not God or from the Bible (Catholics, Mormons, and especially Muslims for example) you are to CUT them out of your life and your home. WHY would you keep a pagan in your life? You wouldn't.

1 Cor 5:9-11

I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10; Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11; But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

 

[bowwow]

Where did you learn that nonsense?
Evil in whatever form IS to be mocked, insulted, and fought against.
In fact, if a person believes something not God or from the Bible (Catholics, Mormons, and especially Muslims for example) you are to CUT them out of your life and your home.
WHY would you keep a pagan in your life? You wouldn't.

So I'm a pagan because I'm Catholic? And you would "cut me out" of your 'home'? Is that really what you believe? Jesus has nothing to do with it? A Catholic can't have Jesus and be saved?

It's people like you that drive people like me outa here.

 

[Curtis]

Is Jesus going to do for you what you did not ask him to do?

 

[th1bill]

Hi Thanks I am not sure what you call it other than a private interpretation, personal commentary.

The Holy Spirit of the Father. The Father of all spirit life. The Father proclaiming listen to His Son the prophet who prophesies the will of the father (sola scriptura)

I would offer as simular parable using Moses to represent the old testament (law) and Elias the prophets .(sola scriptural) The father giving his approval using the Son of man to bring the prohecy .We hear him through the Son of man Jesus not of him.


Mark 9:4-8And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus. And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.;For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.(sola scriptura) And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.

Luke 16 the parable "no man can serve two good teaching masters as one Lord . . Mammon as the riches of this world and all things written in the law and prophets. using the same law Moses and prophets Elias represent the New and old testaments as sola scriptura two working as one word. used three times in that parable .

The last time even if one did raise from the dead the faith that comes from hearing God would be of no avail faith the power of Christ comes by hearing not seeing.

Luke 16:31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

And you do not address the question. If you know not how to define modelism, there is the internet. It is not a personal perspective, floating interpretation. i.e. I am a Trinitarian.

 

[MedicBravo]

So I'm a pagan because I'm Catholic? And you would "cut me out" of your 'home'? Is that really what you believe? Jesus has nothing to do with it? A Catholic can't have Jesus and be saved?

It's people like you that drive people like me outa here.

Let me rephrase.
I've used many examples of "traditions" and things that group does which is not backed by God or the Bible especially the veneration of Jesus' earthly mother.
Indulgences?
What "drew" you to Catholicism?

2 John 1:10 "
If anyone comes to your meeting and does not teach the truth about Christ, don’t invite that person into your home or give any kind of encouragement.

Tradition or works doesn't save nor make them or you better than the rest of us.
"It's people like you that drive people like me outa here." Opinion.
Show us this "list" of things your group does which offs your "going to Heaven" checklist.

 

[bowwow]

Let me rephrase.
I've used many examples of "traditions" and things that group does which is not backed by God or the Bible especially the veneration of Jesus' earthly mother.
Indulgences?
What "drew" you to Catholicism?

2 John 1:10 "
If anyone comes to your meeting and does not teach the truth about Christ, don’t invite that person into your home or give any kind of encouragement.

Tradition or works doesn't save nor make them or you better than the rest of us.
"It's people like you that drive people like me outa here." Opinion.
Show us this "list" of things your group does which offs your "going to Heaven" checklist.

Nothing drew me to Catholicism. I was raised Catholic. I don't know anybody who worships statues. My church is the largest most active church in town. I play music with a Catholic group called Wandering Souls. We play anywhere for free.

I've never been offended there. The Baptist, and esp. the Calvinist are notorious for slandering Catholic's and just about everyone else including their own. The ONLY ones I can't stomach are the Seventh Day Adventist as they CONDEMN about 1 billion Christians for going to church on Sunday claiming Sunday worship is the mark of the beast.

Most Catholics today do not venerate Mary. That's an old school thing and I think I've only seen a few people do so in the many years I've been going to Catholic Church. Even so, they are simply honoring her.

I also go to Congregational Churches because they are more friendly to those of us who reject the diabolical Trinity doctrine.

My Church, Christ the King in Concord, NH is by far the best church in town. Especially MUSIC!

 

[Rhema]

Ananias was praying to Jesus when he appeared to him.

The text does NOT say that, Curtis. What gives? What gives that you need to add in words like "prayer"? The word prayer or praying isn't in the text. AT ALL. Again, and again, and again, you make me ask why you add words into scripture. Why?

Read the passage again. It specifically states that Ananias was given a vision, NOT that he was praying.

And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.​

(Acts 9:10 KJV)

It says NOTHING about Ananias being in prayer to anyone. It DOES say that Ananias had a VISION. If someone comes into your room and starts talking to you, are you praying to him? Of course not. That would be absurd. They had a conversation.

PLEASE read the words that are there. Don't add in words that you want to see.

The Apostle Paul was praying to Jesus when he asked Jesus to take away his thorn in flesh away.

Again, please. I BEG you to read the actual words that are written without adding in anything. But, I'll post them with the words you are adding in so you can plainly see what I mean.

For this thing I besought the Lord JESUS thrice, that it might depart from me.​

(2 Corinthians 12:8 Curtis Version)

Curtis, the word JESUS is not there. If Paul had meant to say the "Lord Jesus" he would have written "the Lord Jesus." Why do you add in words, thereby corrupting the scriptures. Yes, Jesus is at times called Lord, BUT JESUS HIMSELF called the FATHER Lord.

At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.​

(Matthew 11:25 KJV)

So yes, I can see where Paul besought the Lord Father three times.

Furthermore, EVERY time Paul wrote about the Lord Jesus in Second Corinthians he literally sais LORD JESUS. Do the word study, when Paul just writes Lord, he means the Lord Almighty.

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.​

(2 Corinthians 6:17-18 KJV)

The Father is the Lord. But I can see how Trinitarians can get confused, mixing all three together. You've been taught to add in the word "Jesus" when you read "Lord." But as one reads the teachings of Jesus, one ought to read "God" - the Lord God.

But, please look deep in your heart. Why would you let the misunderstood words of Paul ERASE the teachings of Jesus?

Jesus commanded you to pray to the Father in the name of Jesus.

Why do you fight so HARD AGAINST the very words of Christ?

Who was the Apostle John praying to when Jesus appeared unto him in the Book of Revelations?

I don't know. The text doesn't say that John was praying at all. The word "Pray" is G1189 - the word that Jesus used when he commanded you to pray (G1189) to the Father.

That word isn't used at all in the book of Revelation.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.​

(Revelation 1:8 KJV)

This speaks of the Father God.

I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,​

(Revelation 1:9-10 KJV)

AGAIN... please, why do you change the words, Curtis? It plainly reads that John "was in the Spirit" and yet you change the words to say, "John was praying." If John was praying, the text would have said that. It does not.

Now I thank you kindly for giving me these examples, but I had for proof where anyone had prayed to JESUS after he ascended to heaven.

Is there nothing more than these three examples? Examples where you need to add in or change the words?

Kindly,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Is Jesus going to do for you what you did not ask him to do?

Jesus isn't even going to do for you that which you ask him. Why? Because Jesus taught you to pray to (ask) the Father.

That never changed.

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?​

(Luke 6:46 KJV)

(Greek TR John 14:14) εαν (IF) τι (ANYTHING) αιτησητε (Y'ALL MIGHT ASK) εν (IN) τω (THE) ονοματι (NAME) μου (OF ME) εγω (I) ποιησω (WILL PUT THE CASE... advocate).

... we have an advocate ("Put the Case") with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:​

(1 John 2:1 KJV)

If one is to pray to Jesus, and Jesus is to "do" that which we ask, then why is there even any need for an ADVOCATE ???

But as I said, Trinitarians get all mixed up rather easily.

For the Love of God,
Rhema

 

[MedicBravo]

Nothing drew me to Catholicism. I was raised Catholic. I don't know anybody who worships statues. My church is the largest most active church in town. I play music with a Catholic group called Wandering Souls. We play anywhere for free.

I've never been offended there. The Baptist, and esp. the Calvinist are notorious for slandering Catholic's and just about everyone else including their own. The ONLY ones I can't stomach are the Seventh Day Adventist as they CONDEMN about 1 billion Christians for going to church on Sunday claiming Sunday worship is the mark of the beast.

Most Catholics today do not venerate Mary. That's an old school thing and I think I've only seen a few people do so in the many years I've been going to Catholic Church. Even so, they are simply honoring her.

I also go to Congregational Churches because they are more friendly to those of us who reject the diabolical Trinity doctrine.

My Church, Christ the King in Concord, NH is by far the best church in town. Especially MUSIC!

"Growing up Catholic, Protestsant, etc" doesn't make you that.
You're no authority and have not seen what most of them do.
The truth isn't slander.
Honor/venerate/place above everyone but near Jesus. Blasphemy.

1. Doctrine of Christ being sacrificed over and over again in the Mass.

2. The inordinate place that Mary. "My God, my Savior." - Mary, his mother.

3. They have elevated tradition over the Scripture. Mass, with their doctrine of Mary.

4. Veneration of images, idols, and saints. Put attributes of God on these things and people.

5. Grace is infused through sacraments and can be earned instead of given by God.

6. Purgatory. Everyone but saints go there. Negates Jesus' death.

300 A.D. Prayers for the Dead; Making the Sign of the Cross
375 A.D. Veneration of angels and dead saints; use of images in worship.
593 A.D. Doctrine of Purgatory
600 A.D. Prayers to Mary and dead saints
1090 A.D. The Rosary and Indulgences
1215 A.D. Confession of sins to a Priest
1965 Mary proclaimed the "Mother of the Church".

Add this to those I aready mentioned and there are many more. NONE are given by God or the Bible.
Not one Catholic has ever given scriptural evidence to back any of these and most get "angry" when this is mentioned.

 

[KingJ]

Why do I come here and deal with badmouthing a-holes like you. See you later A-hole- I'm going to ask admin one more time BAN ME! You're a Catholic hating piece of crap. The only difference between YOU and that old, dried out, crusty piece of white dog **** on my front lawn is...

That old, dried out, crusty piece of white dog shyt on my front lawn doesn't stink anymore.

You're a full-blown hateful piece of dogshyt.

******* ban me!

Brother, Medic does not speak for the site. The mods and most members here are very Catholic friendly.

The vast majority of disagreements that Protestants have with Catholics are immaterial matters.

I will take Medic's post to this thread for further discussion - So tired of all the ignorant bashing of Catholics.

 

[MedicBravo]

Why do I come here and deal with badmouthing a-holes like you. See you later A-hole- I'm going to ask admin one more time BAN ME! You're a Catholic hating piece of crap. The only difference between YOU and that old, dried out, crusty piece of white dog **** on my front lawn is...

That old, dried out, crusty piece of white dog shyt on my front lawn doesn't stink anymore.

You're a full-blown hateful piece of dogshyt.

******* ban me!

The truth isn't bad mouthing.
I grew up Christian but it didn't make me one. It was much later when I learned better and after a long time of study and learning I accepted God into my life not b/c I went as a child.
Seems your emotions have the better of you. I suggest you collect yourself.

I don't know you to make an opinionatted insult. I've stated what most Catholics do and have asked for any of them to be backed by God and the Bible. As usual, nothing.
The most common response as you've shown is anger. If anyone you should be mad at are the Catholics who've lied to you.

I don't hate you. God has taught me not to hate. If I were to hate so easily, then I'd be my Old self of which I hate.
If you read this, do the simplest things I asked. FInd where all these traditions and things are backed by God and the Bible that they do.

 

[MedicBravo]

Brother, Medic does not speak for the site. The mods and most members here are very Catholic friendly.

The vast majority of disagreements that Protestants have with Catholics are immaterial matters.

I will take Medic's post to this thread for further discussion - So tired of all the ignorant bashing of Catholics.

I don't hate them.
I bring up the many things and traditions they do (works) and how none are backed by the Bible.
No one can back them. The fact this person and others get "angry" is not my fault.

If the disagreements are so "immaterial" as you put it then why such a response every time??

 

[MedicBravo]

Mods and everyone:
Am I the wrong one for asking these questions and yet no one can give God/Bible backing evidence?
Is it going to stir emotions? Of course.
Are we to speak the Truth? Yes.

I'd be upset too if I was at a church and the pastor lied to me about.....Oh wait. It has happened multiple times and I'm not Catholic.

 

[Garee]

And you do not address the question. If you know not how to define modelism, there is the internet. It is not a personal perspective, floating interpretation. i.e. I am a Trinitarian.

Hi thanks for the reply

I thought I had answered?

We must be careful how we hears who we say we hear, we are warned of the legion of anti-Christ's another teaching master other than sola scriptura .Men who say dying mankind seen must teach and not the promise Holy Spirt of the Father (1 John2)

It does figure the baptism of Christ the husband working in the Son of man Jesus. . gave him. . Let there be new birth .

A person dying mankind must be born again. . marvel not .

Jesus is not ashamed to call us brother and sisters in the new family that obey the loving commandment to call . . .no man on earth Holy Father, Holy See, the vicar of Christ, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church:

(Mark 3:35, Mark 6:3)

God is not a man and neither is there any fleshly infallible interpreter set between eternal God not seen and dying mankind seen as a umpire between.

Today called a Pope or any leader like Nicodenmus the leader of Nicolaitans, that exalts venerates dying mankind above sola scriptura.

called them to back to there first love "believe God" not seen. not dying mankind seen Nicodemus .

The did the first works empowered by the Father working in them "believe God not seen"

Jon 9:32-33For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment. Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.

Revelation 2:4-6 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.;Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.


Christ the Holy Spirit of the Father in us not Christ is us .

 

[th1bill]

Hi thanks for the reply

I thought I had answered?

We must be careful how we hears who we say we hear, we are warned of the legion of anti-Christ's another teaching master other than sola scriptura .Men who say dying mankind seen must teach and not the promise Holy Spirt of the Father (1 John2)

It does figure the baptism of Christ the husband working in the Son of man Jesus. . gave him. . Let there be new birth .

A person dying mankind must be born again. . marvel not .

Jesus is not ashamed to call us brother and sisters in the new family that obey the loving commandment to call . . .no man on earth Holy Father, Holy See, the vicar of Christ, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church:

(Mark 3:35, Mark 6:3)

God is not a man and neither is there any fleshly infallible interpreter set between eternal God not seen and dying mankind seen as a umpire between.

Today called a Pope or any leader like Nicodenmus the leader of Nicolaitans, that exalts venerates dying mankind above sola scriptura.

called them to back to there first love "believe God" not seen. not dying mankind seen Nicodemus .

The did the first works empowered by the Father working in them "believe God not seen"

Jon 9:32-33For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment. Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.

Revelation 2:4-6 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.;Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.


Christ the Holy Spirit of the Father in us not Christ is us .

I asked a direct question that requires a yes or no answer and you are busy doing the Verbal Mombo. I am left to believe you do not believe the One Triune God is presented in the scriptures but that you believe Yehovah appears in three modes.

I fail to see Ruah at work in that errant teaching and without the presence of Ruah there is no salvation. That is sad.

 

[Garee]

I asked a direct question that requires a yes or no answer and you are busy doing the Verbal Mombo. I am left to believe you do not believe the One Triune God is presented in the scriptures but that you believe Yehovah appears in three modes.

I fail to see Ruah at work in that errant teaching and without the presence of Ruah there is no salvation. That is sad.

I would offer

Modalism is a Christian theological doctrine that teaches that God is one person who manifests himself in three modes, or aspects, known as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit:

Sorry I have looked at it . No modalism supports three three denotes the end of a mater throughout scripture Two as the witness of one Spirt the Spirit of the father or Spirt of Christ. Not the spirit of the son of man. . the new born again spirit .
The law .

By the witness of one no judgment or evaluation .Two the one word indicating one God has spoke I think the law of faith the power of Christ that worked in the Son of man (Emanuel

The original dynamic duo

Satan takes away the power of faith believe the unseen .Let there be and no testimony.

The Pagan foundation "out of sight out of mind" God calls fools

 

[th1bill]

I would offer

Modalism is a Christian theological doctrine that teaches that God is one person who manifests himself in three modes, or aspects, known as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit:

Sorry I have looked at it . No modalism supports three three denotes the end of a mater throughout scripture Two as the witness of one Spirt the Spirit of the father or Spirt of Christ. Not the spirit of the son of man. . the new born again spirit .
The law .

By the witness of one no judgment or evaluation .Two the one word indicating one God has spoke I think the law of faith the power of Christ that worked in the Son of man (Emanuel

The original dynamic duo

Satan takes away the power of faith believe the unseen .Let there be and no testimony.

The Pagan foundation "out of sight out of mind" God calls fools

See how easy that was? Finally, thank you. I now have a measuring device for when you meander and appear aimless.

 

[Rhema]

Mods and everyone:
Am I the wrong one for asking these questions and yet no one can give God/Bible backing evidence?

You are not in the wrong. But BW did initially post that he had recently lost his faith, and it would seem that he's found some measure of solace in the local Catholic Church that lets him participate in their music.

Yet, he has also posted rather extreme emotional reactions against the Trinity, and I fear he will once again "get the boot" from yet another church when his Catholic Priest finds out how entrenched his views are.

Humans have a very deep seated need to belong, a thing that seems to stem from the Fall of Adam. Very few can live a life where they have no place to lay their head.

I bring up the many things and traditions they do (works) and how none are backed by the Bible.
No one can back them.

A thing I myself do, with regards to many ill informed beliefs about Jesus. I provide posts that are well written, with source links and even direct translations of verses so others can see the lies. There are many beliefs and traditions found within the Protestant Evangelical church that are not backed by the Bible, ... where no one can back them.

I'd be upset too if I was at a church and the pastor lied to me about.....Oh wait. It has happened multiple times and I'm not Catholic.

Forget the lies of the pastors. How is one to deal with the lies of the translators?

At this point, it may be best for BW to be banned, in that I believe he is here primarily to look for a friend, not engage in theological discourse. On the other hand, maybe he just needs an outlet to vent, having been deeply hurt by many non-Catholic churches.

It's obvious, though, that he sees your posts as emotional polemic rather than well presented dissertations on Catholic theology.

Kindly,
Rhema

Are we to speak the Truth? Yes.

How true do you wish your Truth to be?

 

[Rhema]

See how easy that was? Finally, thank you. I now have a measuring device for when you meander and appear aimless.

(Kindly send me the blueprints.... at times I could use that decoder ring.)

 

[KingJ]

I bring up the many things and traditions they do (works) and how none are backed by the Bible.

This is not true for most of the items on your list.

If the disagreements are so "immaterial" as you put it then why such a response every time??

Is it every time? If I was Catholic, it would be annoying for me to have to always deal with some random Protestant who made a meal of immaterial matters. It happens so often; people just don't study the scriptural support for Catholic beliefs.