What If I'm Born Gay?

[KingJ]

and unworthy to judge others

We need to differentiate between discernment, self righteousness and sentencing. Judging for self righteousness is wrong. That is the context of Matt 7:1-5. But discernment, a Christian judges all things 1 Cor 2:15 and will even judge angels 1 Cor 6:3. Sentencing, we can per Paul in 1 Cor 6:1-9 grasp appropriate punishments on earth, better then the unsaved. Jesus also says we know someone by their fruits. But when it comes to sentencing to hell, Jer 17:9-11 makes it clear that God judges at levels we can't. But we must not use that as an excuse for not judging. God gave us the ability to discern all things when He made us with high intelligence, a little beneath the angels. Able to grasp right and wrong as He and the angels do Gen 3:22. So, no offence but when anyone says '''do not judge''' with no proper explanation, I will bet that more often then not I am about to hear a lecture from someone trying to justify sin.

it wasn't me that said "with God everything is possible" Christ said that in answer to the question"Then who can be saved"?, why would you not believe that

Can you quote the verse please.

and how do you know the woman didn't commit adultery again, where is your reference,

All I know is that Jesus told her to go and sin no more. Not sure what point you making though. Care to please explain?

 

[Sue D.]

Actually, the only people who were righteous were Noah and his family. The other's had a Long time of observing the guys building that ark to ask questions and find out Why it was being built.
God decided to destroy His created world because the corruption had gotten So Horrible that even He was disgusted with His creation. So, ya, everyone was destroyed in that flood. If they Were righteous, they would have been on that ark.

 

[KingJ]

Actually, the only people who were righteous were Noah and his family. The other's had a Long time of observing the guys building that ark to ask questions and find out Why it was being built. God decided to destroy His created world because the corruption had gotten So Horrible that even He was disgusted with His creation. So, ya, everyone was destroyed in that flood. If they Were righteous, they would have been on that ark.

You may be right. I like to believe that many repented when they were drowning / close to drowning. Just think of why God sends plagues. When people see they ''have no more time'' they deal with sin. Either repent or harden their hearts.

 

[Rad]

Hello Rad,
There in is the problem. We are in the World, but not of it. Getting ourselves involved with those who have but a Secular consideration and who can never understand where we are coming from is most difficult. What does light have to do with darkness? Yes, we let our good works, for which we were made for, shine forth. Living lives of love, compassion, mercy with humility. For which we can only do if with interact with them on some level.

Still, this does mean that we acquiesce to the very things which are corruption. Could this be considered being judgmental? In a way, but what standard of behavior and comportment is not based upon us deciding on what to do or what not to do? The difference is that we use the Word of God as our foundation for these standards, and not our own desires or wants. Communicating them in a way that shows that not only were we too were like them once, and might even be tempted to be so again, but that in Christ Jesus change for the better is the order of the day.

So, we are slowly becoming not what the World says we should be, or what we want to be, unless it's closer to being like our Lord, but being what our God wants us to be in all that we do and say. A Light, Salt to a dark, people and this World.

I know it's difficult to not agree with those we love, who are not of the Body of Christ. They don't understand that you can hate the sin, but still love them. Tell them that Jesus Christ did that very thing. He interacted with us before we even came to Him on bent knees, and yet it never affected the love He showed for us. More importantly let them know that He died to take away the very thing that has separated us from our God, which is sin. And not stopping there, but providing us a guide, One who can help with turning us into the new Creation in the Light of our Savior.

Dear Brother. You won't reach them all. I would count it a blessing if one could be reached, though we hope for all. Still we continue to share that very love, without compromising the very things we know to be true in Christ Jesus. If necessary, tossing ourselves at their feet, with tears rolling down our checks, so that if they want "hell", they'll have to jump over our prone bodies to do so!

Does God require us to do the latter? No, but if we love the Lord, the Sinner, and want to see them Saved, we should not shy from even that.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Thanks Nick, your Eloquent , Compassionate and Reasoned reply is i feel how a Christian should respond to Sin and more importantly Sinners, i have nothing to add or disagree with, thanks again my friend.

 

[Rad]

It was a comment my friend

Yes we love them but cannot accept the sin. Chat online is not like face to face chat.

Example
Person-1 says, is homosexual right

P2 says no not in God's eye it isn't

P1 says no and it is in the news everday now.

Face to face the chat refers to the previous statement made.

Online we tend to take every statement on it's own and reply accordingly.

In a face to face chat we know the person so don't need to explain everything again, online we reply to the last statement a person makes, not knowing or not bringing to mind what a person may have said previously.

If we read scripture like that we would be in trouble, but some do. They take a verse or part of a verse to say it all.

e.g. Call on the Name of the Lord and you will be saved. Many feel they called but how did they call?

Believe on the Lord and you will be saved. Many think they are saved because they believe but is it in the head or from the heart?

John 3:16 is a prime example, the Gospel in miniature. For God so loved the world that he gave his only son that whosoever believes on him has everlasting life.

This verse follows on from what Jesus says in John 3:3, 5 & 7 we must be born again, we should not be surprised we must be born again. If we haven't read the beginning of the conversation/verse how can we understand the current one.

Anyone reading this Gospel topic should read all 21 verses or they fail to know the truth in the word.

Scripture issues can be avoided by reading more and understanding the context, chats on forums will always be prone to replying to the last message posted I guess.

Bless you brother

Jesus loves you, I do too.

Hi Brother Paul, my apologies for the way my reply was worded, i fear that my Anger at your comments got the better of me, as is so often the case its not always what we say but how we say it that causes many of the problems we face and can lead to an hardening of attitudes which only cause further division and discord, .... for sure we will disagree , and that disagreement will often be passionate, but let it also be compassionate and without Rancour....... apologies again my friend.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Hi Brother Paul, my apologies for the way my reply was worded, i fear that my Anger at your comments got the better of me, as is so often the case its not always what we say but how we say it that causes many of the problems we face and can lead to an hardening of attitudes which only cause further division and discord, .... for sure we will disagree , and that disagreement will often be passionate, but let it also be compassionate and without Rancour....... apologies again my friend.

I am slow to anger these days brother, thanks to our Lord, he takes us as we are and moulds us to the person he wants us to be. Big job in many cases brother, man would have time or patience.

Bless you my friend.

Peace be with you

Jesus is Lord. \o/

 

[Sue D.]

You may be right. I like to believe that many repented when they were drowning / close to drowning. Just think of why God sends plagues. When people see they ''have no more time'' they deal with sin. Either repent or harden their hearts.

KingJ -- isn't that sort of like waiting until we 'see' God to actually believe in Him? Because by Then it will be eternally too late. We accept Him Now By Faith.

the Problem with 'waiting until we have no more time' and Then deal with sin -- 'we' never know When 'we will have no more time'. What about the driver from behind who rams us through the red light into the other car. All of a sudden 'we' are In eternity. No warning.

Have you ever experienced 'almost drowning" -- you're sort of busy fighting for your life. Take that moment To pray and you'll be Dead.

 

[KingJ]

KingJ -- isn't that sort of like waiting until we 'see' God to actually believe in Him?

Sue there is '''nothing'' of value from ''believing'' in God. As in ''He exists''. James 2:19 the devils believe and they tremble.

Because by Then it will be eternally too late. We accept Him Now By Faith. the Problem with 'waiting until we have no more time' and Then deal with sin

What you need to try and grasp is that only when a person is ''sold out to sin'' is their home hell.

Just apply rational thought to the plagues coming upon people in the tribulation. These plagues are extreme. It is to test people to their limits in a 'short' space of time. Why? God does not make the mistake of sending someone to hell who may actually repent truthfully of their sins.

Granted, it took Noah probably 50-100 years to build the arc. So the wicked were ministered to and warned for that many years. But yet, just as with God getting plagues to convert people, God being impartial can surely also consider people ''dealing with their hatred of sin'' in their last few minutes.

'we' never know When 'we will have no more time'. What about the driver from behind who rams us through the red light into the other car. All of a sudden 'we' are In eternity. No warning.

Watch this video Sue. From minute 59:24 to the end

He was on his deathbed in the ambulance and met Jesus.

 

[Rad]

So -- you're suggesting that 'everyone' live on What economic level to insure that No one / young children would die from malnutrition and disease every year. What Does make For a 'modest lifestyle'?

Lots of people talk about Lots of things. God's Word says that same-sex for dating, marrying, physical intimacy is Wrong. And I don't know about medical attention being with held from gays. Then again -- when people Do choose to misuse their bodies' and contract sexually transmitted diseases. They keep on doing the same thing --working against their own body. That is more of a sexual addiction than 'love'.

And , is it Possible that sometimes 'gays' cause their own problems. Are they dressing, acting. in a way that draws undo attention to themselves?

What you're describing regarding Christian organizations reactions toward's gay people. I wouldn't call it 'bashing' , no. I'd call it defending Biblical standards. There was a situation where a homosexual couple were getting married and wanted a Christian bakery to make their cake. That particular bakery suggested they go to another bakery that probably Would. The same-sex couple made Such a Deal about that. They wanted that Christian owned bakery to be Forced to bake that cake. Now HOW is THAT ignoring the suffering of others? Is that same-sex couple 'suffering' because the Christian bakery would not make them a wedding cake? No. Not when they Could simply go to another bakery.

Why should Christians be okay with other's purposely acting in a way that they Know is an activity that is putrid in God's eyes. That He sees as an abomination? And I doubt that anyone would Know I was interested in same-sex intimacy.

Well -- Why are gays' being murdered? Okay -- IF I were a homosexual -- I would Not be in anyone's face regarding it. I would be acknowledging what God's Word says about it.

As far as "make Poverty history" -- well -- God's Word says that the poor will Always be amongst us. It's simply Not Possible to 'end poverty'. What's Causing the poverty? Lack of reading ability / maybe unwillingness to work in the 1st place/ using drugs and/ or alcohol and some times it's the economic environment.

Hi Sue D, i would just say that with a Global GDP of around $50 Trillion the last time i looked, and with the level of Scientific and Technological development we've reached, there is really no excuse other than greed and selfishness for millions of children to be dying from easily preventable causes, when you have countries with per capita GDPs of $50,000 plus and others below $1000, you see just how unjust and evil is the World economic system , and yes, the poor will always be with us because Human sin, greed and self interest will ensure its so, and surely whatever the cause, as Christians we are called, out of Love and Compassion, to help those in need, and in their pain and suffering we see Christ, ....... back to thread, i have never argued that Homosexuality isn't a sin, but so are many other things in society, greed, selfishness, lust, envy, hate, what i find disturbing is the way some Christians discriminate between particular sinners, in this case Homosexuals, for as soon as we start to vilify, discriminate and marginalise any group of people we run the danger of unleashing forces that throughout human history have perpetrated some of the worst horrors and atrocities, particularly when religion is involved, ........ when we deny Homosexuals, or different ethnic groups, or religious groups like Muslims or Jews the same basic human rights within society that others enjoy, then we're sending out a signal that they're not quite human, not worthy of the same considerations as the rest of us, and that is a very dangerous path to follow.

 

[Rad]

There is a ''one' 'ticket for salvation. It is truthful repentance Psalm 51:17. From day 1 this is all God has wanted from mankind. I look at how God visited Cain and said ''Cain where is your brother''.....''Cain the ground is stained with the blood of your brother''. God wanted Cain to confess and repent. Then we read Jesus saying in Luke 5:32 that He came to call sinners to repentance. Then in Revelations we see how the plagues are brought upon people on the earth in attempt to get them to repent, example in Rev 9:21 and they did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries (drugs, intoxications) nor of their [sexual] immorality nor of their thefts.

Faith and works are separate issues and must not be confused with repentance. ''Saving'' faith in Jesus being Lord comes after we repent.

Once we are saved, we just need to daily examine ourselves to ensure we are 2 Cor 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Just in case we are not 1 Cor 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.



We should share our testimony of how we came to Jesus, at a minimum.

God cannot save a person who does not want to repent.

I guess you could say I am quick to type many words on the topic. It is due to these four reasons.

1. I used to be in all types of sexual sin before I was saved.
2. It is a mortal sin according to the bible. So I believe people practicing it are daily pushing the envelope with God. I see them as 'dire' cases.
3. It is not a sin against another person. So the ungodly don't really feel much conviction for it. So we need to be quite a bit more pro-active.
4. I grasp God's thinking on Sodom and Noah's flood.

With respect to pt 4. There is a simple reason behind Sodom and Noah's flood. Namely the balance of good and evil lob-sided toward evil. We cannot say that all those who drowned went to hell. Only God knows that. I believe many are saved just before they die. One has to be ''sold out'' to a love of sin with no real desire to ever repent to go to Hell. If we put ourselves in God's shoes we see society carrying on at large in a manner that displeases you. It is not a fitting environment for children to grow up in. So He brings swift destruction and change. Our society today is going the same direction. GLBT is wrong. They are influencing all our lives daily through media. Mortal sin is fast becoming a ''norm''. That should ring every alarm bell in a Christian. Anyone trying to silence that alarm bell is not of God.

We need to make sure we are not among those in Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

I know this is way off thread so i'll try to make my answers on this as short as i can, did the thief on the Cross repent, did Lazarus the Beggar repent, did the "Sheep" on the day of Judgement repent, for they all achieved salvation, but seemingly from many different routes, ....... and why can't God decide to Save someone who doesn't repent, who are we to decide what God can, and can't do, which is why i would never pronounce on anyones Salvation or otherwise, for with God, "Everything is possible",...... and i've said it often, i'll say it again,Homosexuality is a sin, as are many other things, and they have all become the norm in a World driven by greed, selfishness, envy, lust and Hate, the alarm bells have been ringing for the past 2,000 years and more, and this world is plunging towards destruction, but yes i have called Evil Good, i have put darkness for light, for that is the nature of a sinner, to try to justify the unjustifiable, to try to rationalise the sin, looking back on my life i've done that many times, and i dare say i'll do it in the future, but i try, with Gods help to keep the darkness at bay, and to bring a little Light of Justice , Love and Compassion into this Suffering World we've created.

 

[Sue D.]

Seems like we're getting a bit off the point of what 'saved' is / means. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 -- that Jesus Christ is the Son of God -- that He died on the cross and rose again on the 3rd day -- as per Scripture. And He was seen by many people before ascending back up to heaven.

Salvation = I am a sinner. Salvation is being 'saved' From Something or To something. That Jesus Christ is the Son of God -- salvation is through Him only. There are various things that take place at the same time in the salvation Process. Repentance is one of them. Realizing your need Of a Savior is another one.

God is sovereign -- He Will do that which He Will Do.

And it's Not a wise idea to try to wait until the last minute of your life -- and I'm very aware that there Are exceptions to every rule. People Do accept Jesus Christ at the last minutes of life. They also lapse into comas, etc.

My father-in-law was always a gruff man. He Could be nice, but had a mouth on him. When my husband accepted Christ as his Savior, he felt led to share as much with his Dad as he could. But his Dad was determined to make a 'real' man out of his 'preacher-boy' of a son. His Dad was one of those guys who was determined that he could touch his wife anyplace he wanted in his own home no matter who was there. Doug ended up seeing more of his step-mother than he wanted to. And his Dad's language was enough to make your ears hurt. So -- it came time to have a surgical procedure. He was an Aweful patient. They actually had to put restraints on him so he couldn't mess around with the nurses. Well -- he developed complications after his surgery -- he was an angry, messed up man. After he passed - Doug asked the chaplain about his last minutes of life. He was told "he made peace with his Creator". So - will he be in heaven -- only God knows. Literally. Personally I doubt it. And since October 5 -- Doug Does know. He Might be fellow shipping with him OR he might be having a wonderful time with those who Are 'up there' and not be concerned with 'others'.

For some reason, 'we' tend to get 'up-in-arms' when it comes to personal , sexual intimacy practices. And, in reality -- should not those practices Be personal and intimate? That which is happening 'behind closed doors' Should Be left behind those Closed Doors. Homosexuality Is Going Against Nature. God created 'nature'. Why can't we be okay with God created all of us. He created all of us to be social people. It's Normal for guys and gals to be attracted to each other. to want to express those feelings in a physically intimate way. But God's Word Also says that That activity is to be Special for man/woman marriage. Because That is the Natural way for the next generation to come into existence -- Family. And, Somehow -- Society has been getting That -- all screwed up. As human beings, we Also have the ability for self-control. So - why not simply practice self-control.

 

[KingJ]

and why can't God decide to Save someone who doesn't repent,

You mean like gift an unrepentant pedophile a spot in heaven with children?

God can work with someone who truthfully repents Psalm 51:17. God casts out those who cant. Those who love their sin. John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. People ''REJECT'' Jesus because they ''love the darkness''. God must graft someone into heaven who ''loves the darkness''? Repentance speaks to hating sin. IE A truly repentant sinner will immediately stop mortal sins, but will still daily battle venial sins. Rom 7:15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate.

The devil was cast out because '' he has been sinning from the beginning'' John 8:44. He never hated the darkness. God saw there was no more hope for him and all the fallen angels. God is not a fool who grafts a devil into heaven.

 

[KingJ]

I know this is way off thread so i'll try to make my answers on this as short as i can, did the thief on the Cross repent, did Lazarus the Beggar repent, did the "Sheep" on the day of Judgement repent, for they all achieved salvation, but seemingly from many different routes,

I can promise you that they all made Jesus Lord of their lives.

There are not different routes. Jesus is the only route John 14:6. When He knocks on the door to our hearts Rev 3:20, He ''only'' comes in if we truly accept Him. We truly accept Him when we truly are willing to ''make Him Lord of our lives / give our lives to Him'' Matt 16:24. This implies repentance of what He hates. Not living after the lusts of the flesh.

Many come to Jesus, Jesus finds them because they hate what is evil as James 4:8 clearly says. David was a man after God's heart because he was upright in all his ways. When he committed his two mortal sins, everyone was shocked. David kept it to two though. He did not go on in murder and adultery. As Paul did not go on and on in murder. This truth needs to sink in. If we go on and on in sin that God ordained capital punishment for, must we be surprised if tomorrow morning we awake in Hades and find ourselves '''eternally''' separated from a good and righteous God? Surrounded by unrepentant sinners for eternity.

 

[KingJ]

who are we to decide what God can, and can't do,

You are right, we don't have a say on what God decides to do. Rom 9 makes it clear that God can do whatever He wants. The ''rest'' of scripture however tells us what in fact God ''does'' decide to do. He decides to be, righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17. He decides to lay His life down and show immense love for all mankind John 3:16, the greatest act of love possible John 15:13. He decides to be impartial Acts 10:34. He decides to be light with no darkness in Him at all 1 John 1:5. He decides to respect and honor free will in how our decisions to hate or love what is evil carry weight.

 

[Sue D.]

@King J. -- God so loved the world that He gave -- His only begotten Son. No one else Could do that.

But 'we' don't have to be willing To do that same thing in order to gain God's favor.

 

[KingJ]

@King J. -- God so loved the world that He gave -- His only begotten Son. No one else Could do that.
But 'we' don't have to be willing To do that same thing in order to gain God's favor.

God laid His life down for us. If you think we don't need to be capable of doing the same for Him you are deluded. Have you not read Matt 16:24?

Imagine a wedding where the husband says the vows ''I will love you for richer or poorer, sickness and health, till death do us part''. IE He commits his whole life to her. She then reads hers ''I will love you with all my heart''.. starts crying and an hour later finishes with ''For richer or middle class, temporary sickness and health, until our infatuation runs out''. Will the husband go ahead with the marriage?

 

[Sue D.]

King J -- Nothing -- absolutely Nothing -- we can do will add or subtract from that which God has already done For us.

Also -- Lots of people are being made to make that decision -- either deny Christ or you Will die. And your throat will be slit then and there or you'll get your head taken off. But That 'willingness' is NOT the basis For our salvation.

And, yes, 'greater love hath no man than to be willing to lay down his life for another' -- but that is NOT a Requirement for Proving love. There Have been instances where / in a tornado for instance/ the husband covered his wife's body with his own to protect her -- only to die as a result - leaving his wife alive and safe. The wife ended up wishing he'd let her die With him. She wanted to be With her husband.

Actually the passage I just quoted was Not Matthew 16:24. Your passage reads "then Jesus said to His disciples "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself , and take up his cross, and follow Me." The next couple of verses -- if we desire to save our life, we will lose it and who ever looses his life for My sake will find it. For what profit is there in gaining the whole world if you loose your soul? Which is saying that we need to be willing to follow Christ in This world rather than follow worldly 'stuff' that will end up distracting ourselves from God and eternity with Him,

Real love is being willing To Do That but Without that being Returned. Real commitment to a marriage -- 'you' give 100% to that relationship and , hopefully, your spouse will Also give 100%.

In your example of the wedding vows -- let's sincerely hope that the couple has thought through all of That before ever getting to the wedding. Marriage is a relationship that both parties need to work with. Protect that relationship. And That should be done because Both people Want to be happily married. Or why bother Getting married.

 

[Rad]

Being rich is not a sin. Being boastful is. Vanity and boastful are not mortal sins. Homosexuality is.

There is another argument with respect to the baker. His rights were taken from him. It was an act of leftist socialism.

As for cherry picking homosexuality. I am not. I don't. I ''try'' un-biasedly obey 1 Cor 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one no not to eat. But as for the unsaved we have 1 Cor 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

Maybe because those guilty of the other mortal sins are mostly in prison. Only 'continuing unrepentant' in sin gets you into hell. Mortal sins just point to having a greater love of sin. Being closer to being sold out to a love of sin. This is why people go to hell John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

What Christians say this? Can you give examples please?

Seems to me that Christ condemned both the owning of riches and those that owned them, "do not store up treasure on the Earth, for where your treasure is your heart will be also, Matthew 6 vs 19-21,..... then we have the parable of"The rich man" in Mark 10 vs 23-25, "How hard shall they that have riches enter into the Kingdom of God, ..... it is easier for a Camel to pass through an eye of a Needle than for a rich man to enter Heaven"...... and in Luke 6 vs 24, Woe to you who are rich for you have received your consolation" illustrated in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man in Luke 16 vs 19-31 where Abraham says to the Rich man in Hell" in your lifetime you received good things ... and now are tormented",..... also Luke 19 vs 8-9. its only after Zacchaeus has given away nearly all his wealth that Jesus says, "Today has Salvation come to this house", and in the parable of the Sower Christ talks of the "deceit of riches" choking the word and preventing it from coming to fruition, but this is so off thread, perhaps if you wanted to discuss this open a new topic,...... as to the Bakers rights, do you feel that the right to discriminate is a valid practice within society, what if i wanted to discriminate against Jews because i regarded them as sub human, would preventing me from doing that be an act of "leftist socialism", seems to me you're treading a very dangerous path far from far from Christs Command to love others and treat them as we would want to be treated,....... as for not keeping Company with sinners who are "brothers", who decides who is the sinner, and what if the sin is concealed, i would rather follow Christs command "Judge not, lest you be judged", and "let him without sin cast the first stone", and leave the judgement of the sinner to God,..... as far as i know its not a crime to be greedy, Lustful, envious, hateful and Rich, not a crime to ignore the sufferings of others and to participate in a global economic system, based on plunder, selfishness and corruption that is destroying Gods creation, no it seems that many "Mortal Sinners" are free to do as they please, ....... as for "Christians" calling for the killing of Gays, heres a few references , from the US, in Africa in countries such as Tanzania and Uganda the killing and persecution of Gays is widespread in part owing to the influences of so called "Evangelical" Pastors preaching on the subject, Pastor calls for killing gays to end AIDS
Conservative Christian Pastor Calls for Executing All Gay People by Christmas Day and not all of these "Christians" are advocating killing Gays, but their rhetoric is so hate filled that you sorta feel if push cane to shove they'd really have no problem with it 10 Most Wildly Anti-Gay Preachers in America

 

[Rad]

That is happening where you are?

I feel it depends. If the job is teaching at Sunday school. Yes. If not, no. 1 Cor 5:10 tells us if we can't engage with them and help them as Christians we may as well leave the earth.

I disagree. A nun found out what I was up to and told me I was going to hell. She gave me a hard time. I knew the nun was not God's mouthpiece. But her extreme disapproval of my lifestyle made me engage with God in my private time. God spoke back to me in love, warmth and put an anointing on me and in my room that ''no human'' could ever match. This is why I say, God converts us to Christianity.

There are good and bad Christians. What we don't want is '''non Christians calling themselves Christians'''. That ''Christian'' that says nothing. When he stands before God, he will wish he rather jumped on peoples toes and ''at least'' spoke out. If you can't wield the word of God with skill, it does not mean you don't wield it.

Wow, quite an impressive testimony. Thanks for sharing.

Agreed.

No, this is a proposal by the Trump Administration in the US, heres a reference Bad Medicine: President Trump And His Allies Want To Subject Your Health Care To Religious Control. How AU Intends To Stop Them ....... and how do we know who God is going to judge as "going to Hell",. and this may have worker for you, but could be disastrous for others, where is the mercy and compassion, as so often its not what we say its how we say it, for example, my sister who for many years has suffered with Mental illness , separated from her husband, 3 years ago on May 9th 2016 he hanged himself in a wood in a town called Northampton, i can't describe the state my sister was in with two teenage sons and her own emotions to deal with, one day she found herself in town just wondering around, when she came upon a group of "Christians" proclaiming the Gospel and Christs Love, she spoke to one of them describing her torment and looking for some sort of comfort, "could my husband be in heaven she asked, No came the reply, hes in Hell!!, now the "Christian" may well have believed that, but was it Christian to voice that opinion, where was the mercy and compassion for someone already going through their own private Hell,....... i'm not advocating "saying nothing", my position is ,condemn the sin, but not the sinner, for who can say who gods mercy will encompass, whos to say that at the end of that rope her husband didn't seek repentance, and who are we to try to put limits on Gods forgiveness and love, be it for Suicides, Murderers or yes, even homosexuals..

 

[Rad]

I don't see this in Matt 25 'Sheep and the Goats' . Can you quote the scripture you thinking of please.

True. But lets not put a full-stop there. Many scriptures point to degrees of abominations. As already discussed.

You don't need to daily repent. But you will desire prompt repentance if you are saved. Whenever a saved person sins, they will be convicted and desire repentance right there and then. It is like arguing with your wife. You have to make right else peace does not return to the house. We are in a live relationship with God.

Do you look at yourself as someone who hates or loves sin? Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

Yeh sorry, i didn't make that very clear did i, no the quotes for Gods condemnation of the rich are in my recent post not the Sheep and the Goats,...... agreed, and i can't help but wonder that if God /Christ finds Homosexuality so abhorrent why its never mentioned in any of the Gospels, surely a Sin that figures so highly in the "Degrees of Abomination" would be worthy of at least one mention,....... and thinking about it in a way i perhaps do repent, not of every sin individually, but saying the Lords prayer morning and night and reflecting on jus what a miserable sinner i am, and yeh i hate sin, i hate what we do to each other through our own selfish desires, what a Hell we've made of this world , how we're destroying creation and plunging headlong to destruction, each morning i think of having to face another day in this World, and try to adopt the motto, "if the Good Lord has given me another day in this World, then i'm gonna try my best to do some good with it", and i try, often not very successfully, but it seems to me that its in the trying , not the achieving , that we will be judged.