What If I'm Born Gay?

[Brother-Paul]

so -- what about homosexuality. Is anyone Born that way. No. We're all born with a clean slate. A problem can develop when God's Word is not taught. When parents don't teach their kids boundaries. Kids need to be guided in Biblical morals from early on. Mom's need to be Mom's with their daughters. And Dad's need to be Dad's with their sons. And some young ladies Are tomboys and some guys aren't exactly the 'he-man-ish' kind that Dad's would expect them to be. And that's probably when the most guidance is needed. Help kids / teens learn how to be Friends with other teens. Respect for each other. Monitor what they watch on TV and movies. Maybe encourage sports and musical instruments instead of TV / movies. Encourage good grades.

There was a discussion going on in FB yesterday. About homosexuality. What is so disturbing with lots of us is the way Society allows for all the garbage. When people started coming out of their closets --that was disgracefull. Some things are meant to be and stay in the bedroom behind closed doors.

Grade school books are trying to prepare little kids to accept two Daddies or two Mommies as being just another kind of family. That is So Wrong. Adults -- we should be listening to God's Word.

It's been said that kids having two loving adults as parents is better than one of each that are always fighting. Well -- Why are men and women Fighting. What's with all the abuse?! Why is Godly love so alien.

Greetings Sue D.

Problems can develop as you say because kids are not taught God's Word from a young age, But the problems, I believe, go further back than that.

Many parents are not saved, so they belong to sin, the world and the devil. They teach their children worldly ways, ways they learned because their parents were not saved either, If someone tries to tell them about Jesus the devil kicks in, they are Bible bashers, God squad, don't preach to me, etc, etc. I have said them all and more myself.

Then there is the explosion in divorce and one parent families, and kids were taught it is right for kids to have one parent, now the devil has gone further, he loves wrecking families, now we have men with men and women with women, and those who do these sinful acts, God who do these sinful things God gives them over to have debased minds. Each one is a step backwards. People follow people, that is the world follows the world, they are like sheep without a shepherd, like lemmings that will drop off a cliff into a lake of fire. But they cannot see it.

Every step leads to another step, remember the quite friend in the corner of the room, always friendly, always polite, always clean, sometimes funny, look at the trash on the television now. Like little children if they get away with something they will try take a yard instead of a foot, always trying it on to the next step. Parents have a responsibility to teach kids right and wrong, but many do not know what is right and wrong themselves. They do what they want, say what they want, say it in the foulest ways and kids hear it and copy. I have heard a couple of people say 'no one teaches us how to be a parent', how sad, God has a lot to say about it and also how to avoid getting things wrong and getting into trouble, but the path to destruction, to death, is wide and most take it.

As for schools teaching that a child can have two mummy's or two daddy's in the same house, and to say it is right, is frightening, worrying, concerning and from next year in the UK IT WILL BE LAW!

As said previously, where is the Institutionalised Church in this? No where they are keeping quiet, probably because there are to many of them and they certainly need to worry if the press gets hold of their past. They are doing nothing!

Someone needs to start a partition to at least have it banned from law in schools, and parents should be fully informed what is proposed to be taught on the subject and that they can refuse to have there children taught such an un-natural, sinful, corrupt subject. Personally feel there should be a total ban, it should not be law at all. But to have it banned from law in schools is the minimum. Comments please.

 

[Brother-Paul]

No one is stoning homosexuals today. Though if a country passed it as law, it wouldn't bother me. But today they roam free and flaunt their supposed free lifestyle, and if you don't accept them, acknowledge that they are just like everyone else, then you are full of hate. And that is where you err. And that is why you struggle. You struggle because your view of homosexuality is not the view of Scripture.

Quantrill

Dear brother,

It is so easy to be passionate about a subject, especially in the love of God, especially when something is scripturally clear, but we have to back off, the fight is between God and satan, it is not our fight brother. Secondly we have to accept the end is not yet, it is just another birth pang, another prophesy fulfilled. If God decides the time is not right yet, we have to accept the time is not right. He has given them over to debased minds, they cannot see they are doing wrong.

God has given the devil a rope, enough to hang himself, we all know it won't end by this method, Jesus has already won, what I am saying, is God is in control, what is written has to be full filled and it will be.

Trust in the Lord and lean not on our own understanding brother.

We must love people not hate them because of what they do.

Jesus said:

John 13:34-35 (NKJV)
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."

as for stone throwing Jesus put an end to this

John 8:7 (NKJV)
7 "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first."

It is right to point out scripture to show The Truth brother, but comments like you added above is near to throwing stones at the accused.

Leviticus 19:18 (NKJV)
18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.

Ephesians 4:1-3 (NKJV)
1 I, therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called,
2 with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love,
3 endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

Peace and Love brother

 

[Sue D.]

Well -- just because people are not saved - either single or married - does Not make them Evil parents or people.

This country -- the U.S.A. was founded so that people Can have freedom. I have No right to tell my neighbor what his child can or cannot read. And it might be filthy trash. Or it might be really good books and TV and good outdoor activities. I Do have the freedom to live a Christian life as a neighbor. I Can invite him to My house and his kids to My house to experience Good reading material , TV watching, etc. but Not with the attitude of 'look see how Good I am as a parent and how good My kids behave'.

As these different life-styles come to be more common, it gives 'us' even More opportunities to find good, positive ways to comment on the obviousness of biology 101. Everybody knows that it take a man and woman together to create a child. Now there Are people who say that this world is Already over-populated so people who Can't Possibly have children together wouldn't really be a Bad thing. And aborting babies' isn't Really all That horrible, cause there really isn't enough room for them Anyway. Until you speak to a married woman who's had problems conceiving and she Finally feels that movement within her body. Don't even Try to tell her that her baby would be better off .......... Which tells us that no matter How over-populated the world is -- God Still choses to give us babies / family.

And, yes, there Are lots of one-parent families -- Father's Can be and lots Are good ,loving Fathers who have help from extended family members. And Society knows that a single-father is looking for companionship. And they say -- 'if they love each other, why Not'. And women are left with babies' small kids to raise. Kids Do need the balance that both a father and mother Do give.

 

[Sue D.]

Isn't part of the Problem is that Christians Do 'back off'? We Need to present Positives in Scripture. Just letting life 'happen' is what allowed Prayer to be taken out of public schools. One woman with a Loud voice. Her daughter made a comment and Mom Went for it. But no one thought it would Really happen. I mean Some well-meaning Christian Will come in to 'save the day'. But no one Did.

If 'we' don't take a positive stand For God's Word -- Who Will?!

 

[Brother-Paul]

Isn't part of the Problem is that Christians Do 'back off'? We Need to present Positives in Scripture. Just letting life 'happen' is what allowed Prayer to be taken out of public schools. One woman with a Loud voice. Her daughter made a comment and Mom Went for it. But no one thought it would Really happen. I mean Some well-meaning Christian Will come in to 'save the day'. But no one Did.

If 'we' don't take a positive stand For God's Word -- Who Will?!

So true Sue D.

We need to present positive scripture, in Love not in conflict or condemnation.

We need to present New Testament scriptures, the LGBTQ+ are telling each other, we are free from the Law, Christians are saved by Grace through faith, which is true if they knew the truth but they are using what they have been told, no doubt from ministers who have debased minds due to their sins. They say don't quote Leviticus to me! Their minds are set.

Only The Truth in God's Word, New Testament scriptures, shared in love, and bathed in prayer will stand a chance. Given to God in faithful prayer through Jesus for Him to deal with the hardened and sinful hearts.

 

[Sue D.]

Actually no one needs to quote Leviticus to anyone .. It's Also in Romans 1:26 specifically -- but the entire context is important. vs 18 - end of chapter.

A lot of pastors don't want to touch that subject because it's far too 'emotionally charged'. It's not especially bad pastors and their own sinfulness. That's sort of 'pastor-bashing'. (Many decades ago I was a pastors-wife). And there Are many pastors who have no business behind a pulpit. But that's another subject entirely.

The problem Is that 'we've' gotten away from God's Word. It's not taught that much any more. People want to leave church 'feeling good'. And the church pays the pastor's salary -- So........

High school teachers and college and universities deride students who have any kind of religious views and 'dare' to express them.

Today is a sad and 'dangerous' times for people who are born-again believers.

 

[Quantrill]

@Quantrill -- being Tempted is Not sinning -- it's giving into the temptation that IS. I can be Tempted to do a Lot of things , but I Don't Do them. It's practicing self-control -- it's taking myself Out of a questionable situation cause I know what my natural desire Is. And, horrors be that I Might give in to a strong temptation occasionally. Does that make me any Less of a believer? I should Hope Not. I Will feel a twinge in conscience as a result, though. And, maybe more that just a twinge. God Does know our hearts -- He knows when we are doing something out of rebelliousness or out of weakness.

Jesus Christ was tempted and when He was hungry / vulnerable / by Satan. So if being Tempted is sinning then we're All totally Doomed. Jesus Christ endured tempting and answered back To His tempter with Scripture and by telling him to get away from Me.

It totally appalls me -- your attitude -- the guy was admitting that he had homosexual thoughts / desires but did Not act on them. And That is the difference. Choosing to NOT act on those desires. The only thing that's dangerous to a body of believers are those who come to church and openly are obviously same sex relationship and are just waiting for someone in the congregation to 'say something' negative to them. And THEN they will have an excuse to say how bigoted Christian people Are. They are trouble-makers from the getgo.

One evening at Bible study the question was asked to pastor -- if an obviously 'gay' couple came to church , how would he respond. He said No differently than he would with any other people. Be welcoming and invite them over for lunch. Give them absolutely No reason say they were frowned upon or disliked in any way. And he would include the plan of salvation just like in any other service. And if he was in process of teaching through the book of Romans especially the first couple of chapters, he would not change Anything. It's God's Word he's teaching.

Enough of my ranting.

One more comment. The abomination is two people of the same sex actively engaging in that act. It is Not allowing God to bless people with children as He sees fit. Homosexuality is satan's desire to counter-act God's plan for family. He told us to 'be fruitful and multiply' and That is impossible with two of the same sex being together. And two people of the same sex Can have good, deep feelings for each other. Some people are together just to Prove to the 'rest of us' that they Can 'do it'. And there are a host of unexpected problems that go with it.

Are you tempted to having homosexual relations?

Quantrill

 

[Brother-Paul]

Actually no one needs to quote Leviticus to anyone .. It's Also in Romans 1:26 specifically -- but the entire context is important. vs 18 - end of chapter.

A lot of pastors don't want to touch that subject because it's far too 'emotionally charged'. It's not especially bad pastors and their own sinfulness. That's sort of 'pastor-bashing'. (Many decades ago I was a pastors-wife). And there Are many pastors who have no business behind a pulpit. But that's another subject entirely.

The problem Is that 'we've' gotten away from God's Word. It's not taught that much any more. People want to leave church 'feeling good'. And the church pays the pastor's salary -- So........

High school teachers and college and universities deride students who have any kind of religious views and 'dare' to express them.

Today is a sad and 'dangerous' times for people who are born-again believers.

But exciting times also Sue.

I agree with what you say, there are many none born again pastors, vicars, ministers call them whatever. They are caring, educated people, good speakers from what they speak, often cotton wool speakers of the truth, a set of readings each week, over two years, the good story's, easy to satisfy the congregation, not challenging from a scriptural point of view. Skipping over John 3 with more talk of Nicodemus and being at night that what the scripture is about, often softened down by the Old and New Testament readings, More concerned, I think, about numbers in the pews and takings that the bosses look at.

Not all we must say Sue but there are many sadly.

Bless you.

 

[Quantrill]

Dear brother,

It is so easy to be passionate about a subject, especially in the love of God, especially when something is scripturally clear, but we have to back off, the fight is between God and satan, it is not our fight brother. Secondly we have to accept the end is not yet, it is just another birth pang, another prophesy fulfilled. If God decides the time is not right yet, we have to accept the time is not right. He has given them over to debased minds, they cannot see they are doing wrong.

God has given the devil a rope, enough to hang himself, we all know it won't end by this method, Jesus has already won, what I am saying, is God is in control, what is written has to be full filled and it will be.

Trust in the Lord and lean not on our own understanding brother.

We must love people not hate them because of what they do.

Jesus said:

John 13:34-35 (NKJV)
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."

as for stone throwing Jesus put an end to this

John 8:7 (NKJV)
7 "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first."

It is right to point out scripture to show The Truth brother, but comments like you added above is near to throwing stones at the accused.

Leviticus 19:18 (NKJV)
18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.

Ephesians 4:1-3 (NKJV)
1 I, therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called,
2 with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love,
3 endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

Peace and Love brother

Your advice is nauseous. The fight is between God and satan, and you and I are part of that fight whether you like it or not. You view the fight as between God and satan and you are on the sideline just loving everybody. God doesn't want you to do nothing but love everybody. Even the queers. Who are an abomination against God.

Ridiculous.

The warfare exist with the Spirit of God in you coming against the satanic spirit, and sometimes you pay the ultimate price. Have you ever heard of martyrs? They paid the ultimate price. So, don't give me this pseudo spiritual language of we just need to love everyone. We take a stand for God. No matter the cost.

(Eph. 4:1-3) has nothing to do with accepting homosexuals in the Church, as does none of the other verses. Nothing. For you to use it that way says much of your lack of understanding of God. God has not changed his hatred for homosexuality and homosexuals.

Quantrill

 

[Momo19]

God said to love your neighbor as yourself. It is the greatest commandment. No greater love than to lay down your life. And if anyone has anything but without love, it is nothing.

 

[Quantrill]

God said to love your neighbor as yourself. It is the greatest commandment. No greater love than to lay down your life. And if anyone has anything but without love, it is nothing.

I responded already to this in post [HASH=2449]#(95[/HASH], 96). Go back and read it and address it.

Where do you get the idea that loving my neighbor means accepting the homosexual into the church? If your husband beats you every night, and you seek help, but those you seek it from say, you are to love your neighbor. Ignore his problems and love him. That sounds so spiritual.

A woman who does that, and allows herself to be beaten to death because she is to 'love her neighbor' is foolish.

And how do you know I don't have love? How do you know I would not lay down my life for a friend?

Quanterill

 

[Born Again 2004]

What do you guys think about a Christian who is struggling with bisexuality but who does not give in to the same sex desires for Jesus cause it's a sin but just has the desires?

I am not sure what you are saying here but, I think many a homosexual will be saved. Just because one has a true repentant heart doesn't mean they will not fall back into the sin again. It is a matter of mindset.... One can hate the sin but still surcome to it in some form..
The decision is God's.... We are to hate the sin but love the sinner.

 

[Sue D.]

Are you tempted to having homosexual relations?

Quantrill

Guess what -- that's none of your business.

 

[Sue D.]

I responded already to this in post [HASH=2449]#(95[/HASH], 96). Go back and read it and address it.

Where do you get the idea that loving my neighbor means accepting the homosexual into the church? If your husband beats you every night, and you seek help, but those you seek it from say, you are to love your neighbor. Ignore his problems and love him. That sounds so spiritual.

A woman who does that, and allows herself to be beaten to death because she is to 'love her neighbor' is foolish.

And how do you know I don't have love? How do you know I would not lay down my life for a friend?

Quanterill
[/QUOTE


Sometimes you don't Sound very loving.

 

[B-A-C]

I'd have to disagree with your comment that homosexuality has nothing to do with love. To the people involved in that kind of relationship it Can have Everything to do with it.

You're welcome to disagree of course.

As I said earlier in another post... I love men. I love my sons. I loved my father (he is deceased now). I love men I work with. I love men in the church. When I was a fireman there were men I risked my life for,
and some who risked their lives for me. But I didn't sleep with any of them. Who you love doesn't make you gay.

My wife loves women, she loves her daughter, her sisters, women in the church, women in her Bible study.... but she doesn't sleep with any of them.
It's OK to love people... heck it's more than OK, it's what we are supposed to do.

Who you love doesn't make you gay or lesbian. Who you sleep with does. That's the only difference. Who you sleep with.

The great lie of the world today is that love and sex are the same thing.

With that thought in mind, how do "bi-sexuals" (people who have sex with both males and females) remain faithful to anyone if they are having sex with two people? If you're not being faithful, you're not really loving.

Also I have to wonder, if their are no "binary sexes" (male and female).. how can anyone be "bi"-sexual?

 

[Armin]

You're welcome to disagree of course.

As I said earlier in another post... I love men. I love my sons. I loved my father (he is deceased now). I love men I work with. I love men in the church. When I was a fireman there were men I risked my life for,
and some who risked their lives for me. But I didn't sleep with any of them. Who you love doesn't make you gay.

My wife loves women, she loves her daughter, her sisters, women in the church, women in her Bible study.... but she doesn't sleep with any of them.
It's OK to love people... heck it's more than OK, it's what we are supposed to do.

Who you love doesn't make you gay or lesbian. Who you sleep with does. That's the only difference. Who you sleep with.

The great lie of the world today is that love and sex are the same thing.

With that thought in mind, how do "bi-sexuals" (people who have sex with both males and females) remain faithful to anyone if they are having sex with two people? If you're not being faithful, you're not really loving.

Also I have to wonder, if their are no "binary sexes" (male and female).. how can anyone be "bi"-sexual?

So , maybe I'm confused, are YOU the one who accused me of sleeping with men? Because I never do that.

 

[Quantrill]

Guess what -- that's none of your business.

@Quantrill -- being Tempted is Not sinning -- it's giving into the temptation that IS. I can be Tempted to do a Lot of things , but I Don't Do them. It's practicing self-control -- it's taking myself Out of a questionable situation cause I know what my natural desire Is. And, horrors be that I Might give in to a strong temptation occasionally. Does that make me any Less of a believer? I should Hope Not. I Will feel a twinge in conscience as a result, though. And, maybe more that just a twinge. God Does know our hearts -- He knows when we are doing something out of rebelliousness or out of weakness.

Jesus Christ was tempted and when He was hungry / vulnerable / by Satan. So if being Tempted is sinning then we're All totally Doomed. Jesus Christ endured tempting and answered back To His tempter with Scripture and by telling him to get away from Me.

It totally appalls me -- your attitude -- the guy was admitting that he had homosexual thoughts / desires but did Not act on them. And That is the difference. Choosing to NOT act on those desires. The only thing that's dangerous to a body of believers are those who come to church and openly are obviously same sex relationship and are just waiting for someone in the congregation to 'say something' negative to them. And THEN they will have an excuse to say how bigoted Christian people Are. They are trouble-makers from the getgo.

One evening at Bible study the question was asked to pastor -- if an obviously 'gay' couple came to church , how would he respond. He said No differently than he would with any other people. Be welcoming and invite them over for lunch. Give them absolutely No reason say they were frowned upon or disliked in any way. And he would include the plan of salvation just like in any other service. And if he was in process of teaching through the book of Romans especially the first couple of chapters, he would not change Anything. It's God's Word he's teaching.

Enough of my ranting.

One more comment. The abomination is two people of the same sex actively engaging in that act. It is Not allowing God to bless people with children as He sees fit. Homosexuality is satan's desire to counter-act God's plan for family. He told us to 'be fruitful and multiply' and That is impossible with two of the same sex being together. And two people of the same sex Can have good, deep feelings for each other. Some people are together just to Prove to the 'rest of us' that they Can 'do it'. And there are a host of unexpected problems that go with it.

You are making the same claim that the homosexual is making. They are saying they desire to be with members of the same sex, but I don't give in to those desires. Thus I am not homosexual, they say. satan is not going to tempt you in areas you that don't sense the draw toward.

When Jesus Christ was tempted it was toward Himself, toward that which He is and had the power to do. satan knew who He was. satan knew He had the power to make bread out of stones. So he tempted him in his normal hunger to use that power. satan knew He had command of the angels and could have then rescued Him from falling. So, tempt God and go ahead and jump off the pinnacle of the temple and prove you are the Son of God. satan knew that the Son, Christ, was the One who would wreck his kingdom and be given the power over the world. So he tempted Him in that area and offered Christ the kingdoms of the world, if He would just worship him.

You see? Even the temptation toward homosexual activity is repulsive. It reflects something in ones nature that is there. Yet you and others want to say, they are tempted that way but are not to be considered homosexual. This is why I asked the question. It wasn't meant for you to answer. It was meant to make a point.

As for your pastor, he is out in left field on this. To knowingly allow a queer couple to attend your church or fellowship is sick. But because everyone is afraid of being called hateful or bigoted then we will let them attend, and just love them. Is that what you call love? I dare say he doesn't love his flock very much. If you find a cottonmouth coiled up on your porch, are you going to let it stay there? When the grandkids come over just warn them about it and leave him alone. Sounds silly doesn't it. And dangerous.

This argument that the homosexuals are putting forth, that they have the desire but don't give into the desire, is for one purpose only. It is to get the Christians to accept them into their fellowship. This way they become use to having homosexuals in their midst. They are not going to openly tell you they have the desire but don't give into the desire for any other reason. They are displaying their homosexuality. Then next time when he comes in with his pardner, one of the same sex, then they just let you know they don't have any physical contact or relations. They have the desire but they don't give into that. Sure .

Now that is appalling.

Quantrill

 

[Brother-Paul]

Your advice is nauseous. The fight is between God and satan, and you and I are part of that fight whether you like it or not. You view the fight as between God and satan and you are on the sideline just loving everybody. God doesn't want you to do nothing but love everybody. Even the queers. Who are an abomination against God.

Ridiculous.

The warfare exist with the Spirit of God in you coming against the satanic spirit, and sometimes you pay the ultimate price. Have you ever heard of martyrs? They paid the ultimate price. So, don't give me this pseudo spiritual language of we just need to love everyone. We take a stand for God. No matter the cost.

(Eph. 4:1-3) has nothing to do with accepting homosexuals in the Church, as does none of the other verses. Nothing. For you to use it that way says much of your lack of understanding of God. God has not changed his hatred for homosexuality and homosexuals.

Quantrill

Dear brother,

There is more than one way to skin a rabbit, you are missing what I was trying to say.

Sounding off that homosexual and lesbians should be stoned is not, I feel, the way to deal with the situation, to me you are already throwing stones from your heart.

Jesus said:

John 13:34-35 (NKJV)
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."

as for stone throwing Jesus put an end to this

John 8:7 (NKJV)
7 "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first."

It is right to point out scripture to show The Truth brother, but comments like you made in your post is near to throwing stones at the accused.

Are you without sin brother, are any of us without sin, so is it right to throw stones?

We are to love the people, we are to love all people, but we are not to accept the sin, we cannot accept the sin.

It is not wrong to tell them of Genesis and Leviticus, it is not wrong to tell them about the abominations, Sodom, Gomorrah and Lot, as the Days of Noah were, no it is not wrong, it is right, we should make it clear and include all the New Testament quotes as well, God's Word is God breathed, every word, every verse, every chapter, every book. But does what we tell them and how we tell them come from the heart or the mouth?

Matthew 7:12 (NKJV)
12 Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

The most common scripture they use and misread are, Leviticus, they say, don't start quoting that we are free from the Law, true we are saved my Grace though Faith, but are we free from all the Law yet, is there a misunderstanding here? Yes we are saved by Grace through faith so Free from the Law in that aspect, but, Jesus said...

Matthew 5:17-18 (NKJV)
17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Till Heaven and Earth passes away...

We cannot be totally Free from the Law, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, or we would be able to not accept God, kill, steal, covet, commit adultery, etc. It is ludicrous to think we are Free from the Law, and is clear when our Lord says,...

18 For assuredly, I say to you, TILL heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the LAW TILL all is fulfilled.

Will homosexuals, lesbians, and others that commit sin go to heaven? If they are lost souls and repent of their sins from the heart, accept Jesus, even in the last hour, they can be saved.

But what about those who are saved and become homosexuals, lesbians etc, they are sinning, they are sinners, we are all sinners brother.

Matthew 5:17-20 (NKJV)
17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven;
but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

Sins are sins brother, there are no big sins and no small sins they are sins.

Peace be with you.

 

[B-A-C]

So , maybe I'm confused, are YOU the one who accused me of sleeping with men? Because I never do that.

Which post [HASH=2455]#?[/HASH] I don't recall accusing you of anything.

 

[B-A-C]

This argument that the homosexuals are putting forth, that they have the desire but don't give into the desire, is for one purpose only. It is to get the Christians to accept them into their fellowship. This way they become use to having homosexuals in their midst. They are not going to openly tell you they have the desire but don't give into the desire for any other reason. They are displaying their homosexuality. Then next time when he comes in with his pardner, one of the same sex, then they just let you know they don't have any physical contact or relations. They have the desire but they don't give into that. Sure .

Temptation is not the same as sin. As you pointed out, even Jesus was tempted. But He didn't sin.
If I want to tell a lie, but never do, I am not a liar. If I want to steal something, but never do, I am not a thief. If I want to sleep with a married woman, but never do, I am not an adulterer.
Having the urge to do something is not sin. Giving in to that urge is what makes it sin.

Jas 1:13; Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.
Jas 1:14; But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.
Jas 1:15; Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.

Lust is simply what we want. I want cookies, I don't want spinach. I could be tempted by cookies, but I could never be tempted by spinach, it has no appeal to me.

I can honestly say, homosexuality has never had any appeal to me. Not once ever. However fornication and adultery on the other hand, there have been times I was tempted.
But I have never touched another woman since I have been married to my wife.

Temptation gives way to lust, lust gives way to sin, sin leads to death.