What If I'm Born Gay?

[Wired 4 Fishen]

I agree. My point is though, that if I understand the point about forgiveness and repentance, I shouldn't be out of fellowship or chastised if I'm serious about it, and I am.

Serious about what?
What are you doing about it?

Scripture tells us to take Every Thought Captive. So Replace those thoughts With Gods Word and Speak Gods Word.

Yes Forgiveness and Repentance when truly of the Heart does remove condemnation. However when one uses repentance and forgiveness for a get out jail card they are only fooling themselves.

Like I said it takes discipline after we make a quality choice to stop. Deliverance is from God but we have to do our part and that takes discipline and determination.

There is no judgment or condemning here but truth that will set you free.
Blessings

 

[Armin]

Serious about what?
What are you doing about it?

Scripture tells us to take Every Thought Captive. So Replace those thoughts With Gods Word and Speak Gods Word.

Yes Forgiveness and Repentance when truly of the Heart does remove condemnation. However when one uses repentance and forgiveness for a get out jail card they are only fooling themselves.

Like I said it takes discipline after we make a quality choice to stop. Deliverance is from God but we have to do our part and that takes discipline and determination.

There is no judgment or condemning here but truth that will set you free.
Blessings

I'm reading the Bible and doing what it says. ::shrug::
Run from youthful lusts.

Although I forget what I'm supposed to do about eating too much, other than diet and excersize.

 

[B-A-C]

Brown U. censors 'gender dysphoria' study, worried that findings might 'invalidate the perspectives' of transgender community

You sometimes hear that it makes no difference how someone was raised whether they choose to be gay or not, yet the scientific studies prove quite the opposite.
You have to wonder, if it makes no difference, why does Hollywood have to put it in every movie, on every TV show, in as many songs as possible, on the news,
and on every talk show.

It's funny, liberals says... "we shouldn't tell them what gender to be". Let them make up their own minds. Actually, I couldn't agree more.
Let's take it off television, out of movies, out of music and magazines.

Let's quit teaching homosexuality and transgenderism in schools, and just let them "decide for themselves". Because until you do that, you're the hypocrites.

 

[Armin]

Brown U. censors 'gender dysphoria' study, worried that findings might 'invalidate the perspectives' of transgender community

You sometimes hear that it makes no difference how someone was raised whether they choose to be gay or not, yet the scientific studies prove quite the opposite.
You have to wonder, if it makes no difference, why does Hollywood have to put it in every movie, on every TV show, in as many songs as possible, on the news,
and on every talk show.

It's funny, liberals says... "we shouldn't tell them what gender to be". Actually, I couldn't agree more.
Let's take it off television, out of movies, out of music and magazines.

Indeed. Nakedness and sexuality of all kinds is thrown at us from all sides, 24/7. It would be challenging enough without free porn just waiting at my PC all the time.

((Although it's a good thing I've out grown that)).

 

[Quantrill]

If I may interject, I believe that homosexuality is a sin. However, "homosexuals" don't necessarily all fall under the same condemnation as those whom God gives to their own lusts. there are some people who "struggle" with disturbing things like urges to do what's wrong. I'm a glutton. I eat too much and more importantly, food is always on my mind.

What I'm getting at is that even people who have food on their mind all the time are gluttons in their heart, much like a homosexual can be gay in their heart, yet it's not the same as someone who is committing the sin of sodomy.

People should realize , especially if they follow Jesus, that everyone is a sinner, and that even if we don't "deserve" mercy, per se, no one does.

I am both the glutton and the example of the homosexual who just has a dirty dirty mind. I'm trying to cleanse my soul with the blood of Jesus by studying the Bible and getting into fellowship with believers so I won't have sinful behavior on my mind all the time.

To suggest that I am part of the problem is cruel.

Which is what I think Rad is saying.

What you are suggesting is cruel. All are born sinners, yes. None are born homosexuals. The root of homosexuality is always the judgement of God. Whether one rejects God and abandons God, or whether a nation instructs it's people to accept queers, it is always the judgement of God. Our nation, U.S., does just that. We as a nation have been turned over to homosexuality.

If one is a homosexual and queer in his heart, then he is a homosexual. If one has queer desires, then he is a queer.

You are dangerous to any fellowship of believers you join. Because you are homosexual. Be sure to tell them that. You want to remain a homosexual, but because you say you don't perform the act of sodomy, then you are not to be considered homosexual. Foolish and dangerous.

Quantrill

 

[Born Again 2004]

Hello Born Again 2004,
I guess I must have received this video's contents differently. I don't see that they are saying that God made a person to be gay, as much as anyone else is born of any other sinful behavior. Just that because sin is part of us from birth, that it is not beyond the pale to see where a type of generational curse exists that would have one more prone to one specific sin above others. This doesn't mean that they are born homosexual, but rather that the tendency of falling into this sin is probably greater in this are then it would be for others.

Humanity is born into sin and there is no justification for it, period! Not because God made them that way, but because of the fall. How that sin presents itself in our lives, can have internal/external stimuli which feed it into existence. Think of it like a seed. Unless you're a seed person (I'm not) and can distinguish one from another. The only way is to either see where the seed came from or wait until it sprouts into something in order to identify it. The seed we have in us is the one of disobedience. Not following the will of our God, produces nothing good. That is until He intervenes in our lives through Jesus Christ.

So, you are right that it is our choice which specific sin we fall into, but sin regardless of the tendency towards one or another can only be controlled/done away with through God's Loving Grace found only in our Savior Jesus Christ. That is the real point I took away from this video.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Sin is sin. If you are a Christian homosexual and trying to get out, that is one thing but, a Christian, with Christ in you and you are still a confessing homosexual, that is totally different.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Sin is sin. If you are a Christian homosexual and trying to get out, that is one thing but, a Christian, with Christ in you and you are still a confessing homosexual, that is totally different.

Hello Born Again 2004,
Exactly right. One can never as a believer state that sin in any guise is okay.

 

[Born Again 2004]

I'm not saying anyone necessarily is.

However knowing that parents clearly pass down various traits and behaviors and inclinations to their children, for example I don't know if you work
in mental health, but it is very clear to see if you chart family histories to see how alcoholism follows families, whether it is a spiritual bondage,
genetic issue, or both.

Working in Social Services, I know that Babies can be born addicted to drugs because the mother used while pregnant. Are you aware of that?
So the child gets born with various issues, whether issues of intense anger, or other issues due to parent's behaviors.

I think Christians think that if they were to admit that anything that is unlike God can be at birth than somehow God is at fault. However
remember what Jesus said when they asked Him who sinned that this man was born blind and He told them that it was so God could be
glorified. It is complicated.

I think it is obvious so see if you study any science or basic mental health the connection between parents and their children and I also think
spiritually there are generation curses as well. However the fact that it is obvious that people are born with all types of issues does not mean
that God is to blame.

Most men are born with issues of lust. By default most men have an inclination to cheat, it is something that has to be resisted.
So don't feel threatened by the fact that people may be born with any kind of sin nature, the Bible already tells us that we are.
The whole point of the video and I'm not sure if you watched it in its fullness is that the question about being born gay
is not even the question to ask. That is the whole point of the video. It entertains the possibility why someone could possibly
see themselves that way, but does not go down that road to the end, instead it stops and places the focus on Christ.
Hopefully others will get that take away .

God has given us basic laws, sin is still sin no matter what the cause or manifestation and must be totally reconciled with God.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Sin is sin. If you are a Christian homosexual and trying to get out, that is one thing but, a Christian, with Christ in you and you are still a confessing homosexual, that is totally different.

Hello Born Again 2004,
I've replied to this already, but the following article I read after posting, and points exactly to this point. Sadly, they are misguided, and apparently have support from other professing believers as well.

'Below Deck' star Captain Sandy on her relationship with gospel singer Leah Shafer: 'I feel so blessed'

Captain Sandy Yawn couldn't be happier with her and gospel singer Leah Shafer's relationship.

www.foxnews.com

Let us continue to pray, and stand firm.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Brother-Paul]

Homosexuality and Lesbianism

Someone said, there is no proof children are at risk from partners who are both male or both female. Sadly these things take time to come to the surface, using the old true statement, we never goes on behind closed door.

Although these acts are wrong, totally against God's warning, those who do them and do not think they are doing anything wrong, will pay the price. But the big worry is for the children, are they safe, are they interfered with?

But then let us look at the world and its crazy laws, they say now, after 1000's of years, it is acceptable, so if homosexuality and lesbianism is now acceptable in worldly terms is this not going to soften the issue with paedophiles, some who touch children but others who just look at pictures for sexual pleasure.

Then we have the next issue, what are children taught in schools, it is alright to have two daddies or two mummies, in the same house. Schools are teaching it is!

How confusing it is for the them, and for the teenage kids finding their sexuality, am I a boy, am I a girl, I am a boy but think I am a girl and vis-versa. I am a boy I really want a girlfriend but I am not sure I can get one so I will go with a boy instead, same situation for a girl.

They have created for them selves a cess-pit, a one way ticket to hell. But it is not to late, they can repent and sin no more.

We love the people, but we cannot accept their ways which are wicked, unacceptable, un-natural and against God's will and His Word.

Should we really be letting them teach these things to kids? Next year in the UK it will be law that schools HAVE TO TEACH it is acceptable and law,

Where is the institutionalised church in this matter, hiding it seems, because there are many homosexuals in the so called church too. They are frightened if they speak out the media will expose them for their sins also. They don't know what to do so do nothing.

 

[Rad]

Dear Rad,

Any person who does not love his neighbour as himself isn't worthy of being a follower if Christ, as Christ tells us to do just that. It doesn't matter if the person is homosexual, lesbian, rich or poor, saved or lost soul, we are to love one another. But not accept what is against God's Word for us all.

The trouble is, many LGBT people think they are right, they go against God's Word, then come to Christian forums preaching that scripture is wrong. When this happens it has to be made clear they are wrong, why? Because we love them my friend, and if they say scripture is wrong we have to show it isn't wrong by quoting scripture confirming this. If we didn't they are certain they are right and go away and tell others they are right.

Although there are extremes as you mention, we reply as lovingly as possible, but I am sure you are aware, like your son they do not always want to listen. Also not all those who profess to be Christian's are actually saved souls, though they may think they are.


In His love.

Thanks for that reply Brother Paul, we must trust that Gods mercy is far greater than so many of his so called followers when judging our Sins, for i think we all differ on what is a sin and what isn't, and who amongst us wants to acknowledge that a fundamental part of our lives is based on oppositon to Gods word, in the end i guess it comes down to interpretation , and it seems to me theres no better compass in interpreting Gods Word than Love and Compassion, for without them we are truly lost.

 

[Rad]

Why do you struggle? The Scriptures are clear.

That you struggle indicates you are part of the problem.

You say you don't doubt the Scriptural references, yet you don't want to say what Scripture says. As though Jesus Christ would say differently.

I am a sinner also. But, I don't try and say my sin is acceptable to God. I am guilty. I need to repent. Homosexuals instead, as you are doing also, try and find a way to make their homosexuality acceptable to God.

You do your son a great disservice.

Quantrill

Think you'd better read my post again Quantrill, i didn't say i struggled with the Scriptures, although often i do, but that i struggle with the Hate and Condemnation of so called believers when approaching this subject,i often wonder just where i'd be when confronting the woman taken in adultery, at the front with the biggest stone or standing with Christ showing Love and Mercy in the face of Self righteousness and intolerance,..... and i didn't try to make homosexuality "acceptable" as you put it, what i tried to do, and obviously failed to make you understand, was to put the issue of Homosexuality into a context where its become almost the number 1 sin with certain sections of "Christians", but who have no problem living lives of wealth and comfort in a world of poverty and suffering, voting for a Presaident who cuts provision for the poorest, trashes Gods creation and spends hundreds of Billions on a military war machine , all of which are fundamentally opposed to Christs teachings of Love, Compassion and pacifism,....... my point was one of Hypocrisy, and you do yourself, and the faith you purport to serve, a great disservice if you can't see and recognise that.

 

[Brother-Paul]

@Rad

We all have a choice my friend, accept all God's Word or reject it and pay the consequences. We cannot pick some bits and leave others or we are in effect saying we know better than God and His Word.

Interpretation is important but this do Comes with a danger sign. For example:

Believe on the Lord and you will be saved. Are you saved?

Call on the name of the Lord and you will be saved. Are you saved?

For God so loved the world that he gave His one and only Son so that who ever believes in Him will have everlasting life. John 3:16. Areyou saved?

Now read John 3:1-7 which comes before John 3:16, actually read John 3: 1-21 to get the full picture.

John 3:3,5& 7 Jesus Himself says...
You must be born of spirit and water
You should not be surprised when I say, you must be born again
Unless you are born again you will not see the kingdom of heaven.

Interpretation is fine IF you have considered all scripture says on a subject, if we haven't we cannot interpret the true meaning.

We are only saved if our name is in the Book of life and the Lamb. God calls us we do not call him, but we do have to repent of All our Sins and accept Jesus into our hearts unconditional.

Bless you

 

[Born Again 2004]

Hello Born Again 2004,
I've replied to this already, but the following article I read after posting, and points exactly to this point. Sadly, they are misguided, and apparently have support from other professing believers as well.

'Below Deck' star Captain Sandy on her relationship with gospel singer Leah Shafer: 'I feel so blessed'

Captain Sandy Yawn couldn't be happier with her and gospel singer Leah Shafer's relationship.

www.foxnews.com

Let us continue to pray, and stand firm.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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I ask God to change the heart of all believers...I think there is a lot to say about what the Bible means when it often mentions the hard heated. I was on Session at my old church about 5 times in 30 years. The Presbytery recently come out and said they were going to change the definition of a marriage in our 100 year + Book of Order and that now we could marry homosexuals in our Church and hire gay Pastors.. ...that is a oxymoron to me..... I since left that Church.

 

[Armin]

What you are suggesting is cruel. All are born sinners, yes. None are born homosexuals. The root of homosexuality is always the judgement of God. Whether one rejects God and abandons God, or whether a nation instructs it's people to accept queers, it is always the judgement of God. Our nation, U.S., does just that. We as a nation have been turned over to homosexuality.

If one is a homosexual and queer in his heart, then he is a homosexual. If one has queer desires, then he is a queer.

You are dangerous to any fellowship of believers you join. Because you are homosexual. Be sure to tell them that. You want to remain a homosexual, but because you say you don't perform the act of sodomy, then you are not to be considered homosexual. Foolish and dangerous.

Quantrill

This is inaccurate. I'm not dangerous to any fellowship of believers I join.
Mainly because I realize not all changes in someone's life are miraculous, some are just based on discipline and more discipline.

I struggle with a dirty mind which admittedly tilts the wrong way.

That's it. I'm not engaging in wicked behavior. I'm not even "out". I'm still an individual who loves God and wants to obey him.

If you think that people change the way you are suggesting, then turn into a cat.

 

[Armin]

This is inaccurate. I'm not dangerous to any fellowship of believers I join.
Mainly because I realize not all changes in someone's life are miraculous, some are just based on discipline and more discipline.

I struggle with a dirty mind which admittedly tilts the wrong way.

That's it. I'm not engaging in wicked behavior. I'm not even "out". I'm still an individual who loves God and wants to obey him.

If you think that people change the way you are suggesting, then turn into a cat.

This is inaccurate. I'm not dangerous to any fellowship of believers I join.
Mainly because I realize not all changes in someone's life are miraculous, some are just based on discipline and more discipline.

I struggle with a dirty mind which admittedly tilts the wrong way.

That's it. I'm not engaging in wicked behavior. I'm not even "out". I'm still an individual who loves God and wants to obey him.

If you think that people change the way you are suggesting, then turn into a cat.

Look, I’m not homosexual. I’m certainly going through problems of my own. God can change me. I spoke angrily earlier.

 

[Quantrill]

Think you'd better read my post again Quantrill, i didn't say i struggled with the Scriptures, although often i do, but that i struggle with the Hate and Condemnation of so called believers when approaching this subject,i often wonder just where i'd be when confronting the woman taken in adultery, at the front with the biggest stone or standing with Christ showing Love and Mercy in the face of Self righteousness and intolerance,..... and i didn't try to make homosexuality "acceptable" as you put it, what i tried to do, and obviously failed to make you understand, was to put the issue of Homosexuality into a context where its become almost the number 1 sin with certain sections of "Christians", but who have no problem living lives of wealth and comfort in a world of poverty and suffering, voting for a Presaident who cuts provision for the poorest, trashes Gods creation and spends hundreds of Billions on a military war machine , all of which are fundamentally opposed to Christs teachings of Love, Compassion and pacifism,....... my point was one of Hypocrisy, and you do yourself, and the faith you purport to serve, a great disservice if you can't see and recognise that.

I did read it again and would say the same thing again. Homosexuality is not the same as living wealthy amid poverty, nor is it the same as adultery. Homosexuality is perversion. It is deviant and perverted. It is abnormal to not just God but to human nature. It is itself a judgement from God upon an individual and a nation.

Because I have the same view of homosexuality as the Scripture, as God does, you say I hate and condemn. I recognize all believers are sinners. That doesn't make all believers homosexuals. Homosexuality is a stage of being turned over by God. It is a product of rejection of God. As I have said before, when homosexuality is acceptable and legal in a country, such as the U.S. homosexuals are like maggots on a dead carcass. They are the result of something having died already.

No one is stoning homosexuals today. Though if a country passed it as law, it wouldn't bother me. But today they roam free and flaunt their supposed free lifestyle, and if you don't accept them, acknowledge that they are just like everyone else, then you are full of hate. And that is where you err. And that is why you struggle. You struggle because your view of homosexuality is not the view of Scripture.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

This is inaccurate. I'm not dangerous to any fellowship of believers I join.
Mainly because I realize not all changes in someone's life are miraculous, some are just based on discipline and more discipline.

I struggle with a dirty mind which admittedly tilts the wrong way.

That's it. I'm not engaging in wicked behavior. I'm not even "out". I'm still an individual who loves God and wants to obey him.

If you think that people change the way you are suggesting, then turn into a cat.

You describe yourself as a homosexual who has not come out. This is why you are dangerous to any fellowship you are part of.

Ceasing to be homosexual is not a discipline. It is a change of nature.

You can find homosexuals in certain churches today that accept them openly. Oh yes, they love God they say. They say just because they are queers, doesn't mean they don't love God and Christ. Hogwash. They love themselves and their perverted lifestyle. They love living in a way that is opposed to God in every way, and going to a house of God and displaying that perversion. Yet they will tell you they love God. Who do you believe?

Quantrill

 

[Brother-Paul]

I ask God to change the heart of all believers...I think there is a lot to say about what the Bible means when it often mentions the hard heated. I was on Session at my old church about 5 times in 30 years. The Presbytery recently come out and said they were going to change the definition of a marriage in our 100 year + Book of Order and that now we could marry homosexuals in our Church and hire gay Pastors.. ...that is a oxymoron to me..... I since left that Church.

Dear brother,

This is where there is a big misunderstanding in today's world, if you are saved and your name is in the Book of Life and the Lamb, You DIDN'T leave the Church, you left a place of worship, part of a denomination. The One True Church is Saved believers, worldwide, male and female, what ever language, what ever country, the One True Church is the Body of Christ all Saved souls. Sadly people are pigeon-holed into a denomination, denominations are man made brother.

Bless you

 

[Christ4Ever]

@Born Again 2004
As Brother Paul has stated. You didn't leave the church, but a building where those who professed to be like minded in Christ Jesus would assemble. Sadly, accommodating to the world is a too frequent occurrence in the older established denominations. My heart goes out to you, because it could not have been easy after so many years attending there to leave. Just know that you do have an Eternity in the Body of Christ that is The True Church.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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