What Is Blaspheming the Holy Ghost?

[GodB4Us]

Tongues is prophecy (no difference ) .

Tongues edifies only when interpreted which is why prophesy is better than tongues because prophesy can be a stand alone gift that even those who prophesy are edified by that gift whereas tongue speakers have to wait fr that tongue to be interpreted before they are actually edified.

The idea of private use (wondering, wondering ) makes no biblical sense.

Seeing a supposed list of benefits for tongues for private use, as those who boast in it can never know what benefit that tongue is doing.

No such thing as a sign gift. Spiritual unseen gifts yes.

Yet believers seek after another baptism with the Holy Ghost by that sign of tongues which proves it is not of Him but of this apostasy instead ( 1 Timothy 4:1-2 & that tongue is this kind here ---> Isaiah 8:19 )

Jesus apposed wondering marveling rather that the end of faith the salvation of our new souls .

Nicodemus under a law of the faithless fathers as oral traditons of mankind were them that made Jesus into a circus seal. Do a work show a miracle then we will believe.

When presenting the greatest possible miracle of "all" (born again) the loving commandment from the father . Jesus replied Marvel or wonder not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Wondering is not believing as a anchor of Christ 's faith that works in each believer we receive the end from the beginning. No need for weakly wonder fill ups


Verse 7 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

Those things can only be if we are empowered to believe . Wondering is for the atheist.

Faith, prophecy, the tongue of God

Believing the lie that one can receive the Holy Spirit again apart from salvation by that sign of tongue is departing from faith to becoming an adulterous generation. Matthew 12:39 Erring believers need to repent or else Revelation 2:18-25

 

[Garee]

Oh how those who do not pray in tongues declare themselves to be the authority on speaking in tongues by every true worshipper and the operation of the the gift of tongues and interpretation
in worship meetings when the body of Christ comes together.

I can see that you still refuse to look to the foundation of the doctrine of God's tongues (prophecy)

Why would you even attribute and authority that comes from baby language . “Saw lasaw saw lasaw.
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw. Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”(no understanding coming from God).

Isaiah 28: But they would not listen to him. So the Lord’s words (tongue) will be senseless sounds to them:

“Saw lasaw saw lasaw.
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”

When the people try to walk, they will fall backwards. They will be defeated, trapped, and captured.

Tongues edifies only when interpreted which is why prophesy is better than tongues because prophesy can be a stand alone gift that even those who prophesy are edified by that gift whereas tongue speakers have to wait fr that tongue to be interpreted before they are actually edified.

God is the interpreter and teacher of his tongue prophecy . He warns us in 1 John 1:2 of those who would seduce us to believe we need a man to teach us calling them antichrists' a legion, many .Which is another teaching authority or master other than all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura)

In that way he would not warns us and then change his mind and say find some one to interpret the sounds without meaning.

1 John 2:26 -27These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Even Jesus the Son of man our brother in the lord dared not stand in the place of the hidden glory of God as the unseen Holy Father.. . the abomination of desolation in the end serving God after dying flesh . God is not served by human hands as a will.

Mark10: 17-18 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.


No such thing as a "sign gift" . Spiritual gifts unseen, yes.

 

[GodB4Us]

Here is a thought for every one;

If we were not to test the spirits and the tongues they bring as 1 John 4:1-6 warned us to do, and not just believe every spirit, but because some say we may be blaspheming the Holy Ghost, by assigning the miracles as of the devil, then what do you think happens when you call that which was seen supernaturally as of the occult before Pentecost and yet calling that which was evil good all of a sudden just because someone wants to believe that supernatural phenomenon was the Holy Ghost?

It is one thing to call good, evil as if that means blaspheming the Holy Ghost, but there is a flip side to that; calling what was evil, good and giving that credit to the Holy Ghost.

 

[Waggles]

As the Holy Spirit is also the Spirit of truth and teaches a Spirit-filled disciple of Jesus and the gospel (and also transforms an obedient believer to bear the fruit of the Spirit)
we know that we have received the Spirit of God.
Signs, wonders and miracles (the Kingdom of God is of the Holy Spirit and power) is a reward and a blessing for the few that do not commit adultery with Rome and Babylon.
The power of God as signs listed by Jesus himself distinguishes the true gospel of salvation from a multitude of alternative gospels: Roman Catholicism, Protestant, Orthodox, Evangelical, New Age, etc.
Apart from the power of praying in the Holy Spirit (building up one's faith) - God has also given to the Bible obedient body of Christ 3 voice gifts of the Holy Spirit wherein God directly speaks to his children.
Different kinds of tongues followed by interpretation and also up to 3 gifts of prophecy.
Here God proves to both believers and unbelievers that 'tongues' is God given and of His Spirit.
And in the gifts of prophecy many times God gives to us great encouragement to pray in the spiritual language that He has provided us with as our prayers are a sweet incense unto Him.

I never knew of, or believed, in speaking in tongues until that day in 1996 when asking to receive the Holy Spirit I was baptized in the Spirit of God and burst forth speaking in tongues.
I received a marvellous profound revelation of the truth of Jesus as my God and Saviour and that the word of God was truth as Jesus is the truth.
In that moment I knew (not just believed) I knew with my consciousness, my inner man, that Jesus rose from the dead and is alive and that He also knew me.
That very day I was set free from the power of sin and delivered from the bondage of my addictions to amphetamines, cigarettes, marijuana and alcohol. Instantly without any withdrawal pain.
God through the indwelling Holy Spirit completely over time transformed my life from a petty criminal and a junkie, a liar and and thief, a violent and psychotic individual, to a person with a sound mind
and who desires to walk in righteousness.
Yes test the spirits and see that they are of God. And by this we know that cessationists are false teachers, clouds with no rain: offering to people dry wells instead of wells of living water.

 

[GodB4Us]

I never knew of, or believed, in speaking in tongues until that day in 1996 when asking to receive the Holy Spirit I was baptized in the Spirit of God and burst forth speaking in tongues.

Why is believing in the gospel of Jesus Christ not enough that you had to ask to receive the holy Spirit?

I received a marvellous profound revelation of the truth of Jesus as my God and Saviour and that the word of God was truth as Jesus is the truth.
In that moment I knew (not just believed) I knew with my consciousness, my inner man, that Jesus rose from the dead and is alive and that He also knew me.

Are you saying that after you had received the Holy Spirit, it was then that you had believed in Jesus Christ?

 

[Garee]

Here is a thought for every one;

If we were not to test the spirits and the tongues they bring as 1 John 4:1-6 warned us to do, and not just believe every spirit, but because some say we may be blaspheming the Holy Ghost, by assigning the miracles as of the devil, then what do you think happens when you call that which was seen supernaturally as of the occult before Pentecost and yet calling that which was evil good all of a sudden just because someone wants to believe that supernatural phenomenon was the Holy Ghost?

It is one thing to call good, evil as if that means blaspheming the Holy Ghost, but there is a flip side to that; calling what was evil, good and giving that credit to the Holy Ghost.

Tongues is prophecy

Testing the spirits and the tongues is testing the spirit by prophecy or spirt of prophecy . .the tongue or doctrines of God. They fall down heaven like rain producing living (green things) the believers

Faith comes as we are given ears to hear the words of His mouth that work in us .

Deuteronomy 32:1-2 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man, Jesus by the unseen Father .The Father gave his apostle Jesus words to rebuke the father of lies

Mathew 16:22-23 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

In other words walk behind me not seen by faith (Christ the power to believe. ) and not Peter by sight.


Psalm 52:8 But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever.

Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

 

[Waggles]

Why is believing in the gospel of Jesus Christ not enough that you had to ask to receive the holy Spirit?

Because that is not scripture and not what Jesus taught -
Luke 11:13 If ye therefore, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall the Father who is from heaven give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Acts 8:14 Now when the apostles, those at Jerusalem, heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
8:15 who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they receive the Holy Spirit:
8:16 for as yet He was fallen upon none of them: only they had been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.

 

[Waggles]

Are you saying that after you had received the Holy Spirit, it was then that you had believed in Jesus Christ?

No

 

[Garee]

As the Holy Spirit is also the Spirit of truth and teaches a Spirit-filled disciple of Jesus and the gospel (and also transforms an obedient believer to bear the fruit of the Spirit)
we know that we have received the Spirit of God.l

All born again disciples are Spirit filled from the first hearing of faith by which we did believe God not seen , the first love of God working in us that we return to .He keeps us filled.

Jesus says its a "evil generation" of faithless (no faith it is written the tongue of God ) men that seek after signs to wonder after never coming to the end of faith the salvation of their soul .(1 Peter 1 :11) no new signs were given other than the fulfilment of the sign of Jonah the three days and nights promised demonstration of the father and the Son . . . a sign to the whole unbelieving faithless (as it is written spiritual word they would have nothing to do with prophecy the tongue of God as it is written

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

I never knew of, or believed, in speaking in tongues until that day in 1996 when asking to receive the Holy Spirit I was baptized in the Spirit of God and burst forth speaking in tongues.
I received a marvellous profound revelation of the truth of Jesus as my God and Saviour and that the word of God was truth as Jesus is the truth.
In that moment I knew (not just believed) I knew with my consciousness, my inner man, that Jesus rose from the dead and is alive and that He also knew me.

The Spirit of God and burst forth speaking in tongues? What did the sounds without meaning say? He warns us of those (antichrist) who say we need a man to teach us. His doctrines that fall as prophecy. . the tongue very of God .

In that moment of you hearing noise without understanding you knew (not just believed) ????

Is God greater than your conscience ?

 

[GodB4Us]

Tongues is prophecy

Testing the spirits and the tongues is testing the spirit by prophecy or spirt of prophecy . .the tongue or doctrines of God. They fall down heaven like rain producing living (green things) the believers

Faith comes as we are given ears to hear the words of His mouth that work in us .

Deuteronomy 32:1-2 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man, Jesus by the unseen Father .The Father gave his apostle Jesus words to rebuke the father of lies

Mathew 16:22-23 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

In other words walk behind me not seen by faith (Christ the power to believe. ) and not Peter by sight.


Psalm 52:8 But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever.

Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Discern the apostle John's message in 1 John 4:1-6 about how one is to not believe every spirit but test them as that line of discernment is that the Spirit of Christ is in us whereas the spirit of the antichrist is outside of us in the world per 1 John 4:4. John even said to test the tongues they bring ( 1 John 4:5-6 ) that they do not speak in pagan's supernatural tongues as the world speaks in gibberish nonsense. Isaiah 8:19

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

 

[GodB4Us]

Because that is not scripture and not what Jesus taught -
Luke 11:13 If ye therefore, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall the Father who is from heaven give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

What is the point of truth shared in verses 11 & 12? I'd say that once you had received the holy Ghost at your salvation, you will not ask for Him again les you make the Father look evil as if He did not give you the Holy Ghost the first time.

Acts 8:14 Now when the apostles, those at Jerusalem, heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
8:15 who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they receive the Holy Spirit:
8:16 for as yet He was fallen upon none of them: only they had been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.

Seeing how they were not born again of the Spirit yet because it did testify that the Holy Ghost had not fallen on any of them, it goes to show that the Father was still working in drawing them unto His Son for eternal life since they were not saved yet even after being water baptized in Jesus's name. The way Simon had thought he could buy this power from Peter & john proves that Simon's heart as well as the people in that area, were not right with the Lord yet for why their sights needed to be lifted higher to God rather than to Philip ad them.

 

[Waggles]

What is the point of truth shared in verses 11 & 12? I'd say that once you had received the holy Ghost at your salvation, you will not ask for Him again les you make the Father look evil as if He did not give you the Holy Ghost the first time.

Rubbish - absolute nonsense and a deliberate mangling of the word of God.

 

[Waggles]

Seeing how they were not born again of the Spirit yet because it did testify that the Holy Ghost had not fallen on any of them, it goes to show that the Father was still working in drawing them unto His Son for eternal life since they were not saved yet even after being water baptized in Jesus's name. The way Simon had thought he could buy this power from Peter & john proves that Simon's heart as well as the people in that area, were not right with the Lord yet for why their sights needed to be lifted higher to God rather than to Philip ad them.

You obviously make this up as you go along.
That is not what scripture teaches.

 

[GodB4Us]

Rubbish - absolute nonsense and a deliberate mangling of the word of God.

You do realize that you should apply verses 11 & 12 to show the rightly dividing of the word of truth rather than just dismiss those 2 verses out of hand?

Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

What is the point of truth shared in verses 11 & 12?

I'd say that once you had received the holy Ghost at your salvation, you will not ask for Him again les you make the Father look evil as if He did not give you the Holy Ghost the first time.

How do you apply His words in verses 11 & 12 to mean in context of verse 13 which you had referenced verse 13 out of context earlier?

 

[GodB4Us]

You obviously make this up as you go along.
That is not what scripture teaches.

Scripture does teach this regarding this event.

Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

And scripture teaches this also;

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

So the Samaritans in Acts 8 were not saved yet but had gotten water baptized in Jesus's name for believing in the "things" Philip was preaching about, thus following Philip out of fanfare as Simon was also, in beholding the miracles coming seemingly from Philip for why even Simon had thought he could buy the power of giving the Holy Ghost from Peter & John as if they were the ones actually doing this instead of God in Heaven.

This is the only way for the truth to align in scripture since it was written that none of those Samaritans had received the Holy Ghost yet since their water baptism in Jesus's name in Acts 8:16.

 

[Waggles]

@GodB4Us you have no idea of the baptism of the Holy Spirit and of the God consciousness that the Holy Spirit gives.
Your constant protestations against Pentecostal faith and doctrine is nothing more than cessationist unbelief.

 

[GodB4Us]

@GodB4Us you have no idea of the baptism of the Holy Spirit and of the God consciousness that the Holy Spirit gives.
Your constant protestations against Pentecostal faith and doctrine is nothing more than cessationist unbelief.

I consider what I am doing, by the grace of God & His help, has been in keeping the faith in Jesus Christ which is the good fight.

 

[Waggles]

I consider what I am doing, by the grace of God & His help, has been in keeping the faith in Jesus Christ which is the good fight.

You may well be keeping faith in Jesus Christ in your understanding, but I also keep faith unto Christ Jesus by his Holy Spirit.

 

[GodB4Us]

You may well be keeping faith in Jesus Christ in your understanding, but I also keep faith unto Christ Jesus by his Holy Spirit.

By sowing doubts towards believers that they even have the Holy Spirit since salvation when they had believed in Jesus Christ at the calling of the gospel, just because they do not speak in tongues? How is that keeping the faith, let alone defending the faith in Jesus Christ? I'd say it is not, but the polar opposite, brother.

When you had first believed in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God has raised Him from the dead, you were saved and had been born again of the Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ, not by a sign of tongues.

When you had sought salvation by the receiving of the Holy Spirit, to me that is you seeking to receive the promise not by faith in Jesus Christ but by sight & by the sign of tongues. Comes across to me as a different gospel.

 

[Garee]

Discern the apostle John's message in 1 John 4:1-6 about how one is to not believe every spirit but test them as that line of discernment is that the Spirit of Christ is in us whereas the spirit of the antichrist is outside of us in the world per 1 John 4:4. John even said to test the tongues they bring ( 1 John 4:5-6 ) that they do not speak in pagan's supernatural tongues as the world speaks in gibberish nonsense. Isaiah 8:19

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

I would offer. . Its every spirit that understands the tongue of God's prophecy . There is no understanding that comes from sounds without meaning. The clanging of brass or wood spoons banging on a kettle. .

Just exactly what are you trying to protect? Sounds without instructions ?

No such thing as "sign gifts"( self edifying) .Spiritual gifts not seen yes .We walk by the eternal faith never by sight, the temporal





Nosuch thing as a sign gift . remebt wonderingis notbeliving