What Is Blaspheming the Holy Ghost?

[Rhema]

When alcohol was introduced to The American Indians, it reminded them of their communing with the "Great Spirit" how they dance and chant for the Great Spirit to come much like Christians do today for the holy Spirit to come to get drunk with "joy" in the Spirit, except without the dancing part to invoke that phenomenon.

(Acts 2:15 KJV) For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.​

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(Ephesians 5:18 KJV) And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;​

Oh we dance... as King David did.

When I was baptized into the tongues of fire as described in Acts chapter 2, I finally understood just how bitter, angry and hateful the Baptists and their kin truly are (in general).

Rhema

 

[GodB4Us]

Wow... that is a very convoluted sentence.



Both the Spirit of man, and the ability of people to laugh and enjoy the creation of God goes back to the very first people.

That seems to surprise you.

Rhema

If one laughs for no reason and without self control, then that is hardly enjoying the creation of God. That is just utter confusion which God is not the author of.

Even God has a reason for when He laughs.

Psalm 37:12 The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth. 13 The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.

 

[GodB4Us]

(Acts 2:15 KJV) For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.​

Doubt Peter would be able to stand up and say that if the accusation of them being drunk was about them falling down and losing self control rather than speaking another foreign language as a native to teh devout Jews from all nations under the heavens when His disciples were Galileans.

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(Ephesians 5:18 KJV) And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;​

Really think God would mimic a work of the flesh, brother? How can we abstain from all appearances of evil if you think the fruit of joy can mimic the works of the flesh called drunkenness. And of we are to have all the fruits of the Spirit, then how can joy be drunkenness when temperance is self control? A house divided cannot stand but fall and they do fall in those phenomenon for drinking from a different fountain & as an adulterous generation seeking after a sign..

Best return to your first love & chase no more after those seducing spirits when the real indwelling holy Ghost has been in you since salvation when you first believed at the calling of the gospel.

Oh we dance... as King David did.

When I was baptized into the tongues of fire as described in Acts chapter 2, I finally understood just how bitter, angry and hateful the Baptists and their kin truly are (in general).

Rhema

Did King David ever spoke in tongues? No.

Did a phenomenon came upon King David for why he was dancing? No.

Did a phenomenon came upon David while he was dancing? No.

 

[Rhema]

If one laughs for no reason

That's a presumption.

What if the reason is the Joy of the Lord?

(Nehemiah 8:10 KJV) Then he said unto them, Go your way, eat the fat, and drink the sweet, and send portions unto them for whom nothing is prepared: for this day is holy unto our Lord: neither be ye sorry; for the joy of the LORD is your strength.​

(1 Thessalonians 1:6 KJV) And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of (from) the Holy Ghost:​

Doubt Peter would be able to stand up and say

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

Even God has a reason for when He laughs.

Psalm 37:12 The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth. 13 The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.

Your God has a spiteful laugh. That's not Joy.

Really think God would mimic a work of the flesh, brother?

You disdain flesh as evil? Like the Gnostics?

But real Joy-of-the-Lord isn't mimicry. One would better see it to be the devil mimicking the Spirit in other religions in order to subvert your faith. (I would seem he's won.)

Best return to your first love & chase no more after those seducing spirits when the real indwelling holy Ghost has been in you since salvation when you first believed at the calling of the gospel.

An ignorant accusation at best. (I'll decline to retort.)

That is just utter confusion which God is not the author of.

I do not have a ROBOT god.

I gather you hate jazz music, then?

I had considered doing a word study on "confusion" for you, but I became worried that it would just confuse you more.

if you think the fruit of joy can mimic the works of the flesh called drunkenness

I'd considered doing the same for "mimic" but expected the results would be the same.

From an objective perspective, though, they look the same. Even your own scripture shows that.

as an adulterous generation seeking after a sign..

Those truly so gifted never sought it.

Signs follow... (or do you reject that too?)

Did King David ever spoke in tongues? No.

King Saul did. (But I'm sure you hate Saul.)

(1 Samuel 10:5-7 YLT) 'Afterwards thou dost come unto the hill of God, where the garrison of the Philistines is , and it cometh to pass, at thy coming in thither to the city, that thou hast met a band of prophets coming down from the high place, and before them psaltery, and tabret, and pipe, and harp, and they are prophesying; and prospered over thee hath the Spirit of Jehovah, and thou hast prophesied with them, and hast been turned to another man; and it hath been, when these signs come to thee—do for thyself as thy hand findeth, for God is with thee.​

Then again, I guess King Saul just stripped naked and fell down (like drunks do)..."prophesying."

(1 Samuel 19:23-24 YLT) And he goeth thither—unto Naioth in Ramah, and the Spirit of God is upon him—him also; and he goeth, going on, and he prophesieth till his coming in to Naioth in Ramah, and he strippeth off—he also—his garments, and prophesieth—he also—before Samuel, and falleth down naked all that day and all the night; therefore they say, 'Is Saul also among the prophets?'​

Now when it declares that Saul prophesied, are you thinking he was just giving sermons?

Did King David ever spoke in tongues? No.

Did a phenomenon came upon King David for why he was dancing? No.

Did a phenomenon came upon David while he was dancing? No.

Had Christ risen from the dead then? No.

Was the Holy Spirit indwelling men as Jesus promised? No.

Jesus spoke in tongues, but you can only see that in Greek -

(Greek NT TR) εγενετο δε εν ταις ημεραις ταυταις εξηλθεν εις το ορος προσευξασθαι και ην διανυκτερευων εν τη προσευχη του θεου​

In the end, it is rather fruitless to discuss tongues with anyone who has not had the experience. Kind of like asking advice on how to fix your car with someone who is not even mechanically inclined.

Rhema

 

[Waggles]

Where is the discerning of spirits there, brother?

I am am not responsible for what happens in other churches, much less for the constant bizarre manifestations of religion that are peculiar to the U.S.A.

In my Pentecostal church, The Revival Fellowship, we do not suffer from the weird and wonderful that those from North America seem so susceptible to.

 

[GodB4Us]

In the end, it is rather fruitless to discuss tongues with anyone who has not had the experience. Kind of like asking advice on how to fix your car with someone who is not even mechanically inclined.

Rhema

Like you having a fruitless discussion with mediums and voodooists that speaks in gibberish tongues too? Or would you actually be able to have a discussion when you guys are all done speaking in tongues like.."you guys must have the Holy Spirit also!!!" and yet they do not believe in Jesus Christ. Will the Lord make you take pause and stop in wat you are involved in and repent with His help and pray normally from now on? I can only hope.

 

[Rhema]

I am am not responsible for what happens in other churches, much less for the constant bizarre manifestations of religion that are peculiar to the U.S.A.

In my Pentecostal church, The Revival Fellowship, we do not suffer from the weird and wonderful that those from North America seem so susceptible to.

Hey, I resent that. But are you including your church down in the Atlanta GA area as one in the U.S.A.?

 

[Rhema]

Like you having a fruitless discussion with mediums and voodooists that speaks in gibberish tongues too?

That sounds rather spiteful.

You must be a Joy to be around. (The Holy Spirit is, though....)

 

[GodB4Us]

I am am not responsible for what happens in other churches, much less for the constant bizarre manifestations of religion that are peculiar to the U.S.A.

In my Pentecostal church, The Revival Fellowship, we do not suffer from the weird and wonderful that those from North America seem so susceptible to.

But how do you stop sinners from those circles from coming into the church?

What happens when someone you knew spoke in tongues all these years or for a short time, but they never believed in Jesus Christ? What then?

Will you and the church realize that the focus and the spotlight is wrong being on the Holy Spirit and put it back only on the Son to avoid what antichrist means "instead of Christ"?

 

[GodB4Us]

That sounds rather spiteful.

You must be a Joy to be around. (The Holy Spirit is, though....)

Only God can show you what is shockingly contrary per your belief.

I would have to wonder how you can test the spirits in proving all things and abstaining from all appearances of evil if sinners do the same thing you are doing and before Pentecost too, per the case of mediums Isaiah 8:19.

 

[Rhema]

But how do you stop sinners from those circles from coming into the church?

Why do you believe it is your responsibility?

Isn't Jesus Himself in charge of the church?

After all, he did say this:

(Matthew 16:18 KJV) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.​

As well as this:

(Matthew 13:27-30 KJV) So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.​

I think we might have a case here of you possibly rooting up the wheat.

What happens when someone you knew spoke in tongues all these years or for a short time, but they never believed in Jesus Christ? What then?

People can fake tongues, just as much as they can fake a "belief." You ask, "What then?" We love them - regardless. But two things here; you've not defined what you think "believing in Jesus Christ" actually means, and of those brothers I know who speak in tongues, they do believe. You're asking me, then, to answer an impossible hypothetical.

So then let's get real. Whom do you know (or have you known ANY?) who have spoken "in tongues all these years" but never believed in Jesus Christ?

Will you and the church realize that the focus and the spotlight is wrong being on the Holy Spirit and put it back only on the Son to avoid what antichrist means "instead of Christ"?

Well, first, your definition of ἀντίχριστος (antichrist) is wrong, but I would be very interested in hearing how you arrived at that meaning and the sources of support for that belief. (Truly.)

Yet, I don't know of any Pentecostal or Charismatic church that places a focus on the Holy Spirit any more than that which is present in the New Testament documents. The fallacy here, then, is known as a Red Herring. (Granted, I've not visited every Pentecostal or Charismatic church.)

Jesus Himself even spoke about the Holy Spirit. Why shouldn't we?

Only God can show you what is shockingly contrary per your belief.

God has shown me very much, and I am extremely grateful for it. He has used my hand to heal the sick, cast out spirits and even to raise one from the dead.

(Mark 4:9 KJV) And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.​

It would be wise for all of us to watchful about the kind of ground we are.

I would have to wonder how you can test the spirits in proving all things and abstaining from all appearances of evil if sinners do the same thing you are doing and before Pentecost too,

Evil sinners do a lot of things that you do too. (Need I truly give you a list?)

But with regards to testing a spirit... how would you know? You reject the manifestation of the Holy Spirit itself.

Rhema

 

[GodB4Us]

Why do you believe it is your responsibility?

Why are you replying in return as if responsible to do so?

Galatians 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

That must be why you & I are doing this, right?

It would be wise for all of us to watchful about the kind of ground we are.

Pointing out when saved believers lose self control & fall, they are on sinking sand, brother. Check that ground you are testifying of that you seem to be defending these phenomenon as if it is of God when God is not the author of confusion.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

When believers seek a visiting phenomenon to bring these miracles about, believing that to be the Holy Spirit when He has been in hem since salvation at the calling of the gospel when they had first believed, rather than going to Jesus Christ at that throne of grace, they are workers of iniquity. Their falling is proof that the ground they are standing on is sinking sand.

 

[Rhema]

Why are you replying in return as if responsible to do so?

Galatians 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

That must be why you & I are doing this, right?

Apples and oranges.

This would seem to be the place where you would now tell me that being nasty to men by kicking them out of the church is being "good unto all men."

Pointing out when saved believers lose self control & fall, they are on sinking sand, brother. Check that ground you are testifying of that you seem to be defending these phenomenon as if it is of God when God is not the author of confusion.

Your threats mean nothing. But are quite telling.

Rhema

 

[GodB4Us]

Apples and oranges.

This would seem to be the place where you would now tell me that being nasty to men by kicking them out of the church is being "good unto all men."

Are you calling Jesus nasty? Because He taught it in regards to reaching the little ones as those that have gone astray.

Matthew 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. 11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. 12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? 13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Many churches do not excommunicate in these latter days in favor of keeping numbers and I can see why the Bridegroom will be excommunicating many for not being ready as found abiding in Him & His words as His disciples.

Your threats mean nothing. But are quite telling.

Rhema

How was that a threat, brother, when prompting you to seriously discern with the Lord at that throne of grace to see if everything is really a okay between you and Him? Where is the harm or threat in that?

"Pointing out when saved believers lose self control & fall, they are on sinking sand, brother. Check that ground you are testifying of that you seem to be defending these phenomenon as if it is of God when God is not the author of confusion."

May God bless you in the knowledge of him to bear more fruit that your joy may be full.

 

[Rhema]

Are you calling Jesus nasty?

I would suggest we are at an impasse due to language difficulties.

How was that a threat, brother,

Most certainly, then.

Rhema

 

[GodB4Us]

I would suggest we are at an impasse due to language difficulties.

You claim this above but give no pause for how you saw it as a threat below?

Most certainly, then.

Rhema

Yeah, I can agree that we are at an impasse.

May God bless you in the knowledge of Him for some pruning by Him that you may bear more fruit and that your joy may be full. John 15:2

 

[GodB4Us]

As a reminder to all from the OP that the sin the Holy Spirit will convict any one of is never having believed in the Lord Jesus Christ.

So if you believed that you had sinned against the Holy Ghost by insulting the Holy Ghost directly or whatever in the past as a sinner, or as a saved believer, what glory would it bring to God to save those who believe but only to lose them?

Since the Father draws men unto the Son per John 6:44 KJV to reveal His Son to them so they can believe, Matthew 11:25-27 KJV , then why do it if the sinner can never be forgiven or saved and yet he or she is believing in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God has raised Him from the dead?

God is no Indian Giver, meaning as if He gives a free gift of eternal life for all those who believe in him, even in his name, and then takes it back which is why He is not an Indian Giver.

Yes, He will judge His House first at the rapture event when He comes as the Bridegroom for the abiding bride of Christ, because whatever a saved believer has sown on that foundation laid by Jesus Christ for why it can never be removed, those works on that foundation that defiles the temple of God will be destroyed as in burned off of that foundation all works of iniquity that defiles & denies Him, but that foundation remains that testify of Him saying that believer is still saved.

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

As it is, saved believers are not to believe every spirit but test them per 1 John 4:1 KJV and that means knowing He is in us as Paul says in 2 Corinthians 13:5 KJV aligning with 1 John 4:4 KJV as opposing those who believe they can receive the Holy Spirit by a sign apart from salvation or even at salvation thus another spirit outside in the world that visits with signs & lying wonders drawing attention to themselves when Jesus considers that type of seeking an adulterous generations.

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

To say we cannot test the spirits outside of us or coming over us repeatedly les we accidentally judge the Holy Spirit and therefore commit blasphemy and the unpardonable sin, then you remove the line of discernment in testing the spirits.

Arguing that to test the spirits is akin to calling the Holy Spirit evil as if calling good, evil, as if that spirit is not the real indwelling Holy Spirit but the spirit of the antichrist that is out there in the world, then what about judging evil spirits as being the Holy Spirit; hence calling evil, good?

The one thing tongue speakers today are not addressing is how they depart from the rest of us by claiming tongues for private use, gained by an extra phenomenon the average believer does not have.

1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.

What did Paul say in the beginning of that epistle?

1 Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

And yet modern tongue speakers today claiming tongues for private use are separating themselves from the body as if they have no need of interpretation from another while boasting of another drink of the One Spirit by a sign too.

1 Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal..........
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

Nobody wants to test the spirits nor the tongues they bring as the world talks in gibberish supernatural tongues as well even in the occult, because they want to believe that is of God when it is not, but keeping you from praying normally to give the Father thanks in Jesus's name for known answers to prayers.

Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Just remember Jesus's warning to this church below;

Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

If you still do not see the need to go before that throne of grace for Jesus to help you see the evil you are in, then know that when you are left behind, you are still saved, but you will wish you had gone to Him for His wisdom & discernment.

 

[Christ4Ever]

God is no Indian Giver, meaning as if He gives a free gift of eternal life for all those who believe in him, even in his name, and then takes it back which is why He is not an Indian Giver.

Dear Brother,
It might be a good idea to not use this type of expression in the future. Some might very well find it racist/insulting.
If they do, it will take away from the point/message you are trying to communicate/get across.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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[Waggles]

The one thing tongue speakers today are not addressing is how they depart from the rest of us by claiming tongues for private use, gained by an extra phenomenon the average believer does not have.

Your problems is not with tongues speakers but with scripture and the gospel.
And I thank God that I depart from the rest of you - churches without the power and gifts of the Holy Spirit.

 

[GodB4Us]

Your problems is not with tongues speakers but with scripture and the gospel.
And I thank God that I depart from the rest of you - churches without the power and gifts of the Holy Spirit.

By your words, denying the Lord that bought them & me. Well I am not doing that to you. You are the one departing from 1 Corinthians 12:13 testimony that we are all suppose to share.

But I accept that you believe without a shadow of the doubt that you are not departing from faith in giving heed to seducing spirits & doctrines of devils and so I leave you to God. Yes, you are still saved & still my brother, thus I am not denying the Lord that bought you when you had first believed in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God has raised Him from the dead for why you are saved.

May the Lord bless you & keep you. May He shine His face upon you & give you His peace. Jesus Christ will do that even for those saints left behind.