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What is hell?

Probably many, but instead of keeping your eyes on them, ....

2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Examine. or, Try. Gr. peirazō (S# G3985, Heb_2:18). FS60A, +Gen_3:22, Psa_4:4; *Psa_17:3; Psa_26:2; *Psa_77:6; *Psa_119:59; *Psa_139:23; *Psa_139:24, *Lam_3:40, *Eze_18:28, *Hag_1:5; *Hag_1:7, *1Co_11:28-31, Joh_6:6 g (prove). Joh_8:6, 1Co_9:3, *Gal_6:4, *Heb_4:1; +*Heb_12:15, *1Jn_3:20; *1Jn_3:21, *Rev_2:2; *Rev_2:5; *Rev_3:2; *Rev_3:3.
yourselves. FS101, +Deu_32:42, The Hyperbaton by which the pronoun heautous, yourselves, is placed at the beginning of the sentence (the object before the subject), shows the emphasis which is to be placed upon it, and tells us that this is the serious irony of a grieved heart, and not a general command. These Corinthian saints, having been beguiled by the Jewish enemies of the apostle to question his apostleship, actually sought a proof of Christ speaking in him! So he meets their questionings with another question: Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me...YOURSELVES examine ye, if ye are in the faith; YOURSELVES prove ye. Know ye not that Jesus Christ is in you except ye be reprobates?" The answer to this question, thus ironically put, would prove them to be the seals of his ministry, and the real proof of his apostleship. Here is no command for the saints today, no admonition to practice continual self-examination and introspection, to see whether they are in the faith; for Christ is in them. Read the words in connection with the context, and the force of this solemn Irony will be at once seen: and it will be used no more to vex and perplex God’s dear children, by taking words which refer to their state to upset their standing, which is perfect and complete "in Christ" (F/S 812).
whether. or, if. FS184A, 1Co_15:2, 1Co_16:13, Gal_2:20.
in the faith. 1Co_9:2; *+1Co_16:13, +**Col_1:23; +*Col_2:7, *1Ti_2:15, Tit_1:13; Tit_2:2, 1Pe_5:9.
prove your own selves. +*Pro_14:15; Pro_16:25, Son_7:12, **1Co_11:19; **1Co_11:28, Gal_6:4, *Heb_6:9 note. Jas_1:25, +*2Pe_1:8.
Know. Gr. epiginōskō, +Mat_11:27, Rom_6:3, +*1Co_3:16; *1Co_6:2; 1Co_6:15; 1Co_6:19; *1Co_9:24, *Jas_4:4.
Jesus Christ. *2Co_6:16, Joh_6:56; *Joh_14:23; *Joh_15:4; Joh_15:5; *+Joh_17:23; Joh_17:26, *Rom_8:9; *Rom_8:10, *Gal_2:20; *Gal_4:19, Eph_2:20-22; *Eph_3:17, +*Col_1:27; Col_2:19, **2Ti_1:12, 1Pe_2:4-5, *1Jn_3:24.
is in you. 2Co_12:2, Joh_14:17; Joh_14:20.
except. or, if not in some respect. FS184A, 1Co_15:2.
reprobates. Gr. adokimos [S# G96: Rom_1:28, 1Co_9:27 (castaway). 2Co_13:5-7, 2Ti_3:8, Tit_1:16, Heb_6:8 (rejected)]. *2Co_10:18, 2Co_13:6-7, *Jer_6:30, +*Rom_1:28, *+1Co_9:27 g. +*2Ti_3:8, *Tit_1:16, *Heb_6:8 g.


We need to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling, and not "work" on others salvation.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

The Lord knoweth them that are his (ἔγνω κύριος τοὺς ὄντας αὐτοῦ)
The first inscription: God knows his own. Comp. Num_16:5; 1Co_13:12. For ἔγνω knoweth, see on Gal_4:9. Them that are his, his ἐκλεκτοὶ chosen; see 2Ti_2:10; Tit_1:1; Rom_8:33; Col_3:12; 1Pe_2:9 : Rev_17:14. Not, however, in any hard, predestinarian sense. Comp. Joh_10:14; Mat_7:23; Luk_13:25, Luk_13:27.

Shalom
Johann
I am sorry, I do believe you "Miss the Mark". :pensive: The Target was; "GOD" is The One that Chooses the Devils, that sits at your table. Maybe you did not put on your Deep Diving Suit. You must be very careful when you are swimming around in areas where The WATERS Runs DEEP.:pensive:
 
I am sorry, I do believe you "Miss the Mark". :pensive: The Target was; "GOD" is The One that Chooses the Devils, that sits at your table. Maybe you did not put on your Deep Diving Suit. You must be very careful when you are swimming around in areas where The WATERS Runs DEEP.:pensive:
...when I chooses the devils that sits at my table?
Care to elaborate?
 
...when I chooses the devils that sits at my table?
Care to elaborate?
I have do idea what you mean, as you ask this question: ".when I chooses the devils that sits at my table?":pensive:

In my life The Word of God Rules, and without error. And it means what it says, without the interpretations of mortal man.
 
I have do idea what you mean, as you ask this question: ".when I chooses the devils that sits at my table?":pensive:

In my life The Word of God Rules, and without error. And it means what it says, without the interpretations of mortal man.
I see, dead set against "commentaries"...your prerogative.
Shalom
Johann
 
You are stuck on the idea that death is annihilation.

1. Jesus experienced separation from God Matt 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?.

2. Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.


3. Jesus died a physical death and was sent to Hades for three days.

All this (point 1, 2 and 3) pleased God and it was an acceptable sacrifice Isa 53:10 for the sins of all mankind John 3:16.

Not all mankind accept Jesus, even though God wishes they would 1 Tim 2:4.

Those who repent of their sins and turn from wickedness open the door to Jesus. Thus, it is correct to say Jesus died for those that repent.

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
James 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded
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Psalm 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

The penalty for sin has 'never' been literal death. Adam and Eve were excommunicated. The fallen angels, same.

Are you implying that what Jesus did on the cross saves nobody? Your line sounds like a reportable offence. You need to better explain yourself.
You said "accept me or die" is something that God wouldn't say, because He's a good God. You say that, but the doctrines you espouse don't align with your words. I don't adhere to the Penal atonement doctrine. You say God is good, but your doctrines suggest otherwise. How is it good if God was pleased at the torture and death of His Son, especially with this doctrine you espouse that it was at God's hand? All through the Bible it says that God will forgive sins. This doctrine you're espousing doesn't have forgiveness in it. It has punishment. Sin isn't forgiven, the punishment is just placed on someone else. The Bible says that God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, yet above you said that God was pleased with the death of His own Son. How in the world does that make sense? I believe Penal Atonement is a monstrous doctrine, probably right there with Eternal Conscious Torment. I'm not sure how you could hold this doctrine when you say God is so Good. Think about this doctrine you're espousing, you said this. "All this (point 1, 2 and 3) pleased God and it was an acceptable sacrifice Isa 53:10 for the sins of all mankind John 3:16." Jesus was an acceptable sacrifice that pleased God? How is that any different than the pagans who offered human sacrifices to appease or please their gods? It's not. It's the same thing. Penal Atonement is a product of the Reformation. It's not the original doctrine. The original doctrine of the Atonement was the Ransom Theory. Jesus as a ransom, to by back lost humanity, not as a sin payment to appease the wrath of God.

Have you ever considered that Jesus could die for sins and it "NOT" be a punishment? Think about a ransom, it's right there in the Scriptures.

Regarding Isaiah, consider the Septuagint. There's nothing about God being pleased at the death of His Son.

O Lord, who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? 2 We proclaimed as a child before him, as a root in a thirsty land. He has no appearance or glory. And we saw him, and he had no appearance or beauty. 3 Instead, his appearance was dishonored and coming to an end among the sons of humans, a human who is in misfortune and who knows how to bear sickness, for his face has been turned back; he was dishonored and was not esteemed. 4 This one carries our sins and suffers pain for us, and we regarded him as one who is in difficulty, misfortune, and affliction. 5 But he was wounded because of our sins, and he became weakened because of our lawless acts. The discipline of our peace was upon him; by his bruise we were healed. 6 We all have been misled like sheep; each person was misled in his own path, and the Lord handed him over for our sins. 7 And because he was afflicted, he does not open his mouth; like a sheep is led to slaughter, and like a lamb is voiceless before the one who shears it, so he does not open his mouth. 8 His judgment was taken away in humiliation; who will describe his family? For his life was taken from the earth; he was led to death because of the lawless acts of my people. 9 And I will give the wicked in place of his tomb, and the wealthy in place of death, because he committed no lawlessness, and there was no deceit in his mouth. 10 The Lord is willing to cleanse him of the injury. If you give concerning sin, our soul will see long-lived seed, and the Lord wishes to remove him from the difficulty of his soul, 11 to show him the light, and to form him with understanding, to justify the righteous who serves many well; and he himself will bear their sins. 12 Because of this he will cause many to inherit, and he will apportion the spoils of the mighty, because his soul was given over to death, and he was reckoned among the lawless, and he himself bore the sins of many, and he was handed over because of their lawlessness.

Rick Brannan, Ken M. Penner et al., The Lexham English Septuagint, Second Edition. (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2020), Is 53:1–12.

Regarding death, yes, it is and always has been physical death. God told Adam that if he ate of the tree he would die. He ate and this is the result.

And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), Ge 3:17–19.
 
Man is tripartite, unless you don't believe in the Triune Godhead.
Yes?

1Th 5:23 Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your spirit and soul and body be kept complete, blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

αυτος δε ο θεος της ειρηνης αγιασαι υμας ολοτελεις και ολοκληρον υμων το πνευμα και η ψυχη και το σωμα αμεμπτως εν τη παρουσια του κυριου ημων ιησου χριστου τηρηθειη

1Th 5:23 αυτοςG846 P-NSM δεG1161 CONJ οG3588 T-NSM θεοςG2316 N-NSM τηςG3588 T-GSF ειρηνηςG1515 N-GSF αγιασαιG37 V-AAO-3S υμαςG4771 P-2AP ολοτελειςG3651 A-APM καιG2532 CONJ ολοκληρονG3648 A-NSN υμωνG4771 P-2GP τοG3588 T-NSN πνευμαG4151 N-NSN καιG2532 CONJ ηG3588 T-NSF ψυχηG5590 N-NSF καιG2532 CONJ τοG3588 T-NSN σωμαG4983 N-NSN αμεμπτωςG274 ADV ενG1722 PREP τηG3588 T-DSF παρουσιαG3952 N-DSF τουG3588 T-GSM κυριουG2962 N-GSM ημωνG1473 P-1GP ιησουG2424 N-GSM χριστουG5547 N-GSM τηρηθειηG5083 V-APO-3S

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
1Co 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.
1Co 14:15 What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also.

But I would concur with Robertson
Your spirit and soul and body (humōn to pneuma kai hē psuchē kai to sōma). Not necessarily trichotomy as opposed to dichotomy as elsewhere in Paul’s Epistles. Both believers and unbelievers have an inner man (soul psuchē, mind nous, heart kardia, the inward man ho esō anthrōpos) and the outer man (sōma, ho exō anthrōpos). But the believer has the Holy Spirit of God, the renewed spirit of man (1Co_2:11; Rom_8:9-11).

..or...
Spirit and soul relate to the nonmaterial part of man. The Bible at times speaks of man as a bipartite being, referred to as composed of "body and spirit" (James 2:26-; 2Cor. 7:1-note) or of "body and soul" (Matt. 10:28). But here, as in several other places (e.g., He 4:12 [note]), man is viewed as tripartite. This raises the thorny problem of what is meant here by spirit and soul. Both terms are used with various shades of meaning in the Scriptures…

The common suggestion that these terms are simply a rhetorical piling up of words for emphasis is rejected by Ellicott with the remark that such a position is "plainly to set aside all sound rules of scriptural exegesis."

Bible students who accept the accuracy of Scripture have always believed that a distinction between the two terms was intended here. If there is no difference between them it is difficult to see how the Spirit of God can distinguish them, as in He 4:12 [note]. That there is a distinction between soul and spirit is clear from Paul's use of the adjectives psuchikos (soulish) and pneumatikos (spiritual) in 1Corinthians 2:14, 15 and 1Cor 15:44.

Note the three Definite Articles in 1 Thess 5.23...

An interesting, biblical read...https://www.preceptaustin.org/1thessalonians_523-24#:~:text=Contact%20Us-,1%20Thessalonians%205%3A23%2D24%20Commentary,-1%20Thessalonians%205

See the heteros viewpoints?

Shalom
Johann
I'm not sure how a Triune God equates with a tripartite man.

With your study of morphology, I'm surprised you posted these passages. Take 1 Thess 5:23. Paul uses, your, which denotes possession, not you, which denote person. He says your body, soul, and spirit. He didn't say you are a body, soul, and spirit. If I say to someone, your truck, am I saying they are a truck? Obviously not. I'm acknowledging that they possess one. Contrast that with what God said to Adam.


17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’:

“Cursed is the ground for your sake;
In toil you shall eat of it
All the days of your life.
18 Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you,
And you shall eat the herb of the field.
19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
Till you return to the ground,
For out of it you were taken;
For dust you are,
And to dust you shall return.”


The New King James Version (Nashville: Thomas Nelson, 1982), Ge 3:17–19.

Notice when God tells Adam he is dust, He doesn't use a possessive. He denotes person. You are dust. He said Adam is dust. He didn't say your body, soul, and spirit, are dust. He said, YOU.

But we know what the terms mean. Moses tells us what they mean.


7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), Ge 2:7.

The man was created from the dust of the ground. That's what man is. Then Moses says that God breathed into him the breath of life. The word picture we get is something coming out of God and going into the man. This is the breath or spirit. However, as we see, this is not something of man, it is something of God. Then Moses tells us that when those two combined the man became a living soul. Thus, a soul consists of a body and the breath or spirit of God. Nephesh/Psuche are used in two senses in Scripture. They are used concretely of a living being. They are used abstractly of life. They are often translated life. So, your body, soul, and spirit, is easily understood as the body, the life, and the breath of life from God. There is nothing in Scripture that says man "is" a spirit. That idea is by way of inference, an incorrect inference. We actually have Jesus' words. When the apostles thought they'd seen a spirit, Jesus said, 'a spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see I have'. Man has flesh and bone. If a spirit doesn't have flesh and bone, then man cannot be a spirit.
 
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I would like it very much if my friends, associates, and loved ones down in Hades
were allowed visitor days in the afterlife because after they're transferred to the
lake of fire depicted at Rev 20:11-15, I may never get to be with them ever again.

Christians are sometimes asked how they can possibly be happy in Heaven while
aware that their loved ones are imprisoned in an eternity of suffering. Well; Rev
21:4 predicts there will neither sorrow nor tears in the future cosmos, apparently
made possible by starting over from scratch and leaving all else behind, including
memories of the past.

Rev 21:5 . . He who was seated on the throne said: I am making everything new!
Then he said: Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.

* It could be that we will forget our favorite people, but they will never forget us.
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I am sorry, I do believe you "Miss the Mark". :pensive: The Target was; "GOD" is The One that Chooses the Devils, that sits at your table. Maybe you did not put on your Deep Diving Suit. You must be very careful when you are swimming around in areas where The WATERS Runs DEEP.:pensive:
I do believe you are incorrect on psychoanalyzing and judging me according to your standards.


And Hashem said unto Kayin, Why art thou angry? And why is thy countenance fallen?
If thou doest right, shalt thou not be accepted? And if thou doest not right, chattat croucheth at the petach. And unto thee shall be its teshukah (desire), and thou must rule over it.
And Kayin talked with Hevel his brother; and it came to pass, when they were in the sadeh, that Kayin rose up against Hevel his brother, and killed him.
Gen 4:8 καιG2532 CONJ ειπενV-AAI-3S καινG2535 N-PRI προςG4314 PREP αβελG6 N-PRI τονG3588 T-ASM αδελφονG80 N-ASM αυτουG846 D-GSM διελθωμενG1330 V-AAS-1P ειςG1519 PREP τοG3588 T-ASN πεδιονN-ASN καιG2532 CONJ εγενετοG1096 V-AMI-3S ενG1722 PREP τωG3588 T-DSN ειναιG1510 V-PAN αυτουςG846 D-APM ενG1722 PREP τωG3588 T-DSN πεδιωN-DSN καιG2532 CONJ ανεστηG450 V-AAI-3S καινG2535 N-PRI επιG1909 PREP αβελG6 N-PRI τονG3588 T-ASM αδελφονG80 N-ASM αυτουG846 D-GSM καιG2532 CONJ απεκτεινενG615 V-AAI-3S αυτονG846 D-ASM
Gen 4:9 καιG2532 CONJ ειπενV-AAI-3S οG3588 T-NSM θεοςG2316 N-NSM προςG4314 PREP καινG2535 N-PRI πουG4225 ADV εστινG1510 V-PAI-3S αβελG6 N-PRI οG3588 T-NSM αδελφοςG80 N-NSM σουG4771 P-GS οG3588 T-NSM δεG1161 PRT ειπενV-AAI-3S ουG3364 ADV γινωσκωG1097 V-PAI-1S μηG3165 ADV φυλαξG5441 N-NSM τουG3588 T-GSM αδελφουG80 N-GSM μουG1473 P-GS ειμιG1510 V-PAI-1S εγωG1473 P-NS

חַטָּאת רֹבֵץ וְאֵלֶיךָ תְּשׁוּקָתוֹ וְאַתָּה תִּמְשָׁל־בּֽוֹ׃
וַיֹּאמֶר קַיִן אֶל־הֶבֶל אָחִיו וַֽיְהִי בִּהְיוֹתָם בַּשָּׂדֶה וַיָּקָם קַיִן אֶל־הֶבֶל אָחִיו וַיַּהַרְגֵֽהוּ׃
וַיֹּאמֶר יְהוָה אֶל־קַיִן אֵי הֶבֶל אָחִיךָ וַיֹּאמֶר לֹא יָדַעְתִּי הֲשֹׁמֵר אָחִי אָנֹֽכִי׃
וַיֹּאמֶר מֶה עָשִׂיתָ קוֹל דְּמֵי אָחִיךָ צֹעֲקִים אֵלַי מִן־הָֽאֲדָמָֽה׃
וְעַתָּה אָרוּר אָתָּה מִן־הָֽאֲדָמָה אֲשֶׁר פָּצְתָה אֶת־פִּיהָ לָקַחַת אֶת־דְּמֵי אָחִיךָ מִיָּדֶֽךָ׃

God bless
Johann
 
In the story told at Luke 16-19-31, the beggar Lazarus died and was carried by
angels to the afterlife. Curiously, the rich man's transportation isn't specified.

One of the most disturbing scenes I've yet to observe in a Hollywood movie occurs
in "GHOST" starring Patrick Swayze and Demi Moore. When someone marked for
the wrong side of the afterlife passes away, these eerie phantoms emerge, having
the appearance of black oily smoke, uttering awful moans, and drag their panic
stricken captives down into the ground.

I don't know if that's how the rich man in Luke's story was transported, but if so; I
can well imagine just how shocking and horrifying it must've been for him at death
to suddenly be able to see menacing spirit creatures surrounding him with looks on
their faces that could only convey but one unmistakable intent; and I suspect those
sinister beings had been hovering around that poor man and stalking him every day
and night of his entire life without him knowing it and patiently waiting for the
green light to take him down.

So, I wonder if the angels that provided Lazarus transportation were not also
assigned as security to protect him from being shanghaied by something similar to
those dark mists.
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I obtain quite a bit of useful information from YouTube; for example how to replace
a microwave oven's motor, resolve a computer issue, and/or adjust an electric
guitar's intonation.

I also tour the world with YouTube, visiting amazing man-made wonders and
natural wonders too. I will likely never travel and get to see those wonders for
myself as they really are before I'm dead; but out ahead is coming a one-thousand
year era on Earth wherein I've no doubt there will be plenty of opportunity to see
everything in the next life that I missed in this one.

Rev 20:6 . . Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection.
The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of
Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

I suspect that God is keeping a massive, fully comprehensive library that can
satisfy all my curiosity-- an archive of information far exceeding the contents of the
great library of Alexandria. For example: how did the ancient Egyptians build the
pyramids? How did the people of Easter Island move those massive stone heads
into position? Is there an end to space; and if so, what's on the other side? Things
like that; but also nature's secrets too. How did nature fashion those remarkable
rock formations in Utah? Or carve out the Grand Canyon?

There are many mysteries like those that I sincerely hope to find answers to some
day. But people in Hell won't be allowed access to God's library. They will never get
answers to their deepest questions about the cosmos; nor be allowed to travel to all
the exotic places on Earth that they missed in this life before passing on to the
next.

Another benefit to the coming era is safety. I will have nothing to fear from the
animal kingdom like I do now, and plus; those of us who make the cut will be
immortal; so we won't fear heights, nor speed, nor any other risk. I love to explore,
but don't like to explore places that might cost me my life, lose an eye, or put me
in a wheel chair. Well; in the future, I'll be able to explore every corner of the globe
to my heart's content in perfect safety and thoroughly enjoy myself without
worrying about hazards associated with the journey like piranha, head hunters,
frost bite, hypothermia, violent storms, hijackers, terrorists, bandits, and/or
shipwreck.

One thing that prevents many of us from touring the world is old age. Well,
diminished capacity will never again be a factor dictating what I can eat and drink,
were I can go, nor whether I can make it.

Rev 20:5-6 . . But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years
were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in
the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power.

People in Hell are not only in terrible discomfort, but they're also missing out on the
pleasures of adventure, discovery, and exploration; which are three very
stimulating activities that, just about everybody I've ever met would agree, make
one's existence worthwhile.
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Matt 8:11-12 . . I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit
down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the
kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

"children of the kingdom" is very likely Jacob's posterity; the Jews. Well; for sure, not all of his
people will be permitted citizenship in the kingdom predicted in the Old Testament. According to
Ezek 20:33-38 a number of them will be culled from the herd and sent elsewhere.

Outer darkness is again spoken of in Matt 22:13 and Matt 25:30

It appears, from comparison of the available data, that "outer darkness" isn't a location, rather, a
state of mental anguish characterized by the deepest possible feelings of grief associated with
loss.

It's akin to the day that God announced to Moses' people they were going to have to stay in that
awful Sinai outback until they were dead. They missed their opportunity to enter the land of milk
and honey and there was no way to regain it.

The people must've been pretty upset over that; no doubt they had all been joyfully looking
forward to a new life over there; and there was no use in praying about it because God had
made up His mind.

I've only experienced deep personal grief associated with irreversible loss but one time; that
was when my No.1 nephew passed away suddenly of natural causes at the age of 51. I had
held him in my arms upon returning home from three years in the Army when he was only a
couple of weeks old.

News of his passing has thus far been the only time in my 78 years that I actually clenched my
teeth, sobbing out of control, and choking, while clinging to a handrail in the front room to keep
from losing my balance and falling to the floor. Matt 8:11-12 is likely speaking of a similar depth
of grief, or possibly worse,
_
 
The criminal records associated with the great white throne event depicted at Rev
20:11-15 likely will be used to not only to condemn people's actions, but also to
prove that the people themselves are not the caliber of folk with whom God prefers
to associate.

For example: God isn't comfortable with dishonesty. So if the records show that
someone is capable of deception, then they will be barred from heaven.

Ps 15:1-3 . . Lord, who may dwell in your sanctuary? Who may live on your holy
hill? He who speaks the truth from his heart and has no slander on his tongue, who
does his neighbor no wrong and casts no slur on his fellowman. He who does these
things will never be shaken.
_
 
Ps 15:1-3 . . Lord, who may dwell in your sanctuary? Who may live on your holy
hill? He who speaks the truth from his heart and has no slander on his tongue, who
does his neighbor no wrong and casts no slur on his fellowman. He who does these
things will never be shaken.


Thirty "Be Not's":
1. Be not like the hypocrites in prayer
(MATT 6:5)
2. Be not like the heathen in prayer
(MATT 6:8)
3. Be not as hypocrites in fasting
(MATT 6:16)
4. Be not called "Rabbi" (MATT 23:8)
5. Be not called "Master" (MATT 23:9)
6. Be not afraid of man (LK 12:4)
7. Be not of doubtful mind (LK 12:29)
8. Be not many teachers (JAS 3:1)
9. Be not afraid of terror (1.PET 3:14)
10. Be not troubled (1.PET 3:14)
11. Be not ignorant of time with God
(2.PET 3:8; cp. ISA 57:15)
12. Be not deceived: 10 classes not to inherit the
kingdom (1.COR 6:9-10)
13. Be not conformed to world (ROM 12:2)
14. Be not slothful in business (ROM 12:11)
15. Be not conceited (ROM 12:16)
16. Be not overcome of evil (ROM 12:21)
17. Be not mere servants of men (1.COR 7:23)
18. Be not children in understanding
(1.COR 14:20)
19. Be not deceived by evil companions
(1.COR 15:33)
20. Be not unequally yoked together with
unbelievers (2.COR 6:14-15)
21. Be not entangled again with keeping the law
(GAL 5:1. See ‘Eighty-five Old and New
Covenant Contrasts’)
22. Be not deceived: man will reap what he sows
(GAL 6:7-8)
23. Be not partakers with sinners (EPH 5:7)
24. Be not unwise about God's will (EPH 5:17)
25. Be not drunk with wine (EPH 5:18)
26. Be not weary in well doing (2.THESS 3:13)
27. Be not ashamed of God (2.TIM 1:8)
28. Be not slothful (HEB 6:12)
29. Be not forgetful of strangers (HEB 13:2)
30. Be not carried about with different strange
doctrines (HEB 13:9)


Shalom
Johann
 
The criminal records associated with the great white throne event depicted at Rev
20:11-15 likely will be used to not only to condemn people's actions, but also to
prove that the people themselves are not the caliber of folk with whom God prefers
to associate.

For example: God isn't comfortable with dishonesty. So if the records show that
someone is capable of deception, then they will be barred from heaven.

Ps 15:1-3 . . Lord, who may dwell in your sanctuary? Who may live on your holy
hill? He who speaks the truth from his heart and has no slander on his tongue, who
does his neighbor no wrong and casts no slur on his fellowman. He who does these
things will never be shaken.
_
Remember, everything I post is for me first.....

Too good an oppertunity to not post
I CORINTHIANS 6:9-11
Alan Lewis
Elon, North Carolina
September 2010

Tonight, we will look at an extremely important passage. It is found in I Corinthians 6:9-11. It answers the question, Who will not be in heaven? Jesus explained who WILL inherit the kingdom (Matthew 5:3, 10; Mark 10:14). Paul tells us who will NOT inherit the kingdom.

Many think that these people will be in heaven. Paul says that these people will be EXCLUDED from the kingdom. They won’t go to heaven. If you want to know who is NOT going to Heaven, all you have to do is to look at this list. Greek scholar A. T. Robertson calls this “a roll call of the damned.”

Some of these groups of people may be found on some church membership rolls but they will not be found in Heaven’s rolls. Their names will be absent from the Book of Life. There are ten groups of people that will not be in heaven.

What are the sins that made Paul’s list of top ten in I Corinthians 6? Are you on the list? I want to look at these ten sins and make some general observations about them. I am going to list the ten classes of sinners. Every Bible translates these words slightly different.

I Corinthians 6:9-10 says, “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God” (NKJV).

Ten Sinners Not in Heaven
1) Sexually Immoral

2) Idolaters

3) Adulterers

4) Effiminate

5) Homosexuals

6) Thieves or Robbers

7) Greedy or Covetous

8) Drunkards (substance abusers)

9) Slanderers (verbal abusers)

10) Swindlers or Extortioners

Facts about Paul’s Sin List
1) Many of these sins fall into different CATEGORIES

What are some of the categories mentioned in this list? Most of them (seven in particular) are either sex sins or money sins. You might call it sexual immorality or financial immorality.

One is a RELIGIOUS sin. Idolaters are people who worship a false god, people who have a false religion. They may actually be moral but they worship a false god. Their fate will be the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8).

One is a VERBAL sin. “Revilers” refers to people who say all kinds of hateful things out of their mouth and are verbally abusive. That made the top ten list. There are many people who wouldn’t think of committing some gross sexual sin but do this all the time. They insult and ridicule people. Some political commentators and people in the media are guilty of this. It is the Greek word for a slanderer (λοίδορος). Are you a reviler? Do you slander people? When Jesus was reviled and insulted, he did not revile people back (I Peter 2:23). We are not even supposed to associate with professing Christians who are revilers (I Corinthians 5:11).

One is a FOOD sin. Paul mentions drunkards. John Calvin thought this applies to over eating (gluttony) as well. I usually agree with John Calvin but I think he is wrong here. Getting drunk, getting completely stoned and wasted is not like eating one too many French Fries at MacDonald’s. Alcohol is not only a beverage, it is a drug.

Four are SEXUAL sins. Almost half of the sins on the list are sexual (two of the sins deal with heterosexuals and two deal with homosexuals). Paul mentions fornicators, adulterers, homosexuals, and sodomites. In fact, adulterers and homosexuals sound very similar in the Greek text. One is μοίχοί and one is μαλακοί. There is no getting around that fact the passage here condemns homosexuality. On the other hand, it is not the only sexual sin on the list. The passage also condemns many heterosexuals.

One sin is a GENDER sin. It mentions feminized men, men who act like women or try to become women. Many Bibles say that one group that will not make it into the kingdom are the “effiminate” (so KJV, ASV, NASB).

Three are FINANCIAL sins. They have to do with money. Paul mentions thieves, greedy, and swindlers. Two of those financial sins are actual crimes. One is not.

2) Some sins in the list are REPEATED

Paul gives two different words for stealing (robbers and extortioners or swindlers). Thieves will not be in heaven. The Greek word that Paul for thieves is κλέπτης (from which we get the word “kleptomaniac”). The Bible says that Judas was a thief (John 12:4-6). He was the treasurer for Jesus and the Apostles. Apparently, he did not just do it once, he did it continually.

Last week, we saw some in the Corinthian Church who were stealing from other people in the church. They were ripping them off. Paul reminds us that robbers will not be in heaven. When we think of a swindler, we think of someone like Bernie Maydoff who defrauded people of billions of dollars.

Paul gives two different words for homosexuality (effeminate, homosexuals), The first word (μαλακοί) is a little broader than just homosexuality but would include the passive homosexual partner.

3) This list of vices is NOT exhaustive

Are these the only people who will not be in heaven? No. How do we know this? This is not a complete list. It doesn’t even mention murderers. They are mentioned in Revelation 21:8. Paul says this three times in the NT and each time his list is slightly different (cf. Galatians 5:19-21; Ephesians 5:3-7).

4) Many of these sins are perfectly LEGAL

Stealing and slander are not legal. Extortion is illegal. It is a crime but most of the sins on this list are perfectly legal. Greed is legal. In fact, some would say that it is part of the American Dream. Idolatry is legal. Our constitution says that you have the freedom to worship anyone or anything you want. You can worship one God, many gods or no God. Sexual immorality is legal today. What is legal is not necessarily moral. What you are allowed to do is not necessarily what you should do.

5) Many of these sins are COMMON in our day

Paul’s list is up-to-date, even though it was written two thousand years ago. These sins were common in Paul’s day and they are still common to this day. The lesson here is that what many are doing, what most people are doing (in some cases) is not what you should do. That is undemocratic. The majority is not always right. What is popular is not necessarily right. That is why Paul says in Romans that we are not to be conformed to the world (Romans 12).

6) Many of these sins are SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE

They are not considered wrong (e.g., fornication, homosexuality, greed). Homosexuality was accepted and tolerated in Paul’s and our day is no different. The Bible looks on it as a sin, not an alternative lifestyle. It is a sin that keeps people out of heaven. Paul’s statement is completely counter-cultural.

Many of the things on his list are not regarded as wrong today. Homosexuality is socially acceptable. Gay marriage is legal in the US. Drunkenness is regarded as a sickness or a disease by the medical community. It is just an addiction that people have. You may have an addiction to coffee, while someone else has an addiction to alcohol and alcoholics can’t control their drinking. Is this a valid argument?

The Bible does not look on drunkenness as a sickness but as a sin. Interesting, none of the other things mentioned in Paul’s list are diseases. Adultery is NOT a disease. Idolatry is NOT a disease. Greed is NOT a disease. Theft is NOT a disease.

All of the other nine things mentioned are MORAL CHOICES. Why would God keep people out of heaven because of a disease? We can call drunkenness what the world calls it or what God calls it. The Bible calls drunkenness as a work of the flesh. It is a work of the sin nature. The Bible does NOT say that drinking keeps you out of the kingdom of heaven. The Bible does NOT say, “Don’t drink wine” but it does say “Don’t be DRUNK with wine” (Ephesians 5:18).

Jesus drank wine. Paul drank wine. They were Jews. It was part of their culture. The Corinthians drank wine. They were getting drunk at the communion table. What the Bible condemns is not the use but the abuse of alcohol. In the same way it does not condemn sex. God was the one who created it. There is nothing wrong with it (Hebrews 13:4). The Bible only condemns the abuse of sex.

Four Powerful Lessons for Today
1) Many people think they are saved when they are not.

There is a serious warning in this passage and it is addressed to professing Christians. It is addressed to the Church at Corinth and the warning is this: “Do not be deceived”. Many think that they are going to heaven but they are actually going to hell. Many people in the Corinthians Church thought they were saved. They thought they were going to heaven. Many church members today have the same problem (cf. Matthew 7:21-23).

Many people think that they are carnal Christians when they are not Christians at all. If you go to church on Sunday but live like the devil the rest of the week, you are probably not saved. Some have even been taught the lie that if you are saved, you have eternal security and if you have eternal security, then it doesn’t matter how you live, because you are going to go to heaven anyway.

You might was well live like the devil. Paul would say that you are just deceiving yourself. The wicked will not inherit the kingdom. Just going to church, even regularly, and getting baptized will not save you. You can’t live any way you want and go to heaven. That is not eternal security. It is antinomianism.

2) When you get saved, there is a change in your life.

After giving this long list of sins, Paul says “and such were some of you”. Some of the Corinthians lived like this before they became Christians. That is what some of them WERE (past tense) but they are no longer that. There are different because at salvation three things happened. They were washed (which you need because sin makes you dirty and salvation makes you clean), sanctified (set apart to God positionally) and justified.

There are some BIG BUTS in this passage. Notice three in this one passage alone. And such were some of you: BUT ye are washed, BUT ye are sanctified, BUT ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God (I Corinthians 6:11 KJV). The KJV follows the Greek text here. You can’t separate religion from morality. As James says, faith without works is DEAD. If you are genuinely saved, there is going to be a change in your life. If you are different on the inside and you have been genuinely saved, you will be different on the outside.

3) Not everyone will inherit the kingdom.

The Bible teaches that some will enter the kingdom and SOME WILL NOT. Some will possess the kingdom and some will be EXCLUDED. Some will inherit the kingdom and some will not. That refutes the doctrine of universalism. Universalism teaches that EVERYONE will one day be saved.

The Bible teaches that God loves everyone. God loves the world (John 3:16). The Bible also says that God does not want anyone to perish (I Timothy 2:3-4). It also teaches that many will perish. In fact, it says that MOST will perish (cf. Matthew 7:13-14). Paul says that many people will get in. Not all will enter the kingdom of God.

4) Even the worst sinners can be saved.

Paul said “such were some of you.” Some of the members of the Corinthians Church were former homosexuals. Some were adulterers. Some worshiped idols but then they got saved. Paul doesn’t say that all of the Corinthians lived like this before they were saved. He doesn’t even say that most of them did. He said that some of them used to live like that.

The lesson here is that God can save anyone – murderers, crack heads, prostitutes, and drunkards. This shows the power of the gospel. Real change is possible but it has nothing to do with Barack Obama or any other politician. This refutes the idea that “once gay always gay” or “once an alcoholic always an alcoholic”.

John Calvin pointed out over 500 years ago that even though Paul says that the wicked will NOT inherit the kingdom of God, technically the wicked CAN inherit the kingdom. People who do not know the Bible very well sometimes ask questions like, Can God saved murderers? Can God save homosexuals? Can God save prostitutes? The answer is that God can save everyone WHO REPENTS. Everyone one of the ten sins listed in I Corinthians 6:9 can be forgiven and has been forgiven.

Jesus said that all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven (Matthew 12:31). Even the darkest sins that we can commit can be forgiven. The sin of sodomy can be forgiven.

That was a sin so wicked that God wiped out the entire city but even the wicked sodomites could have their sins forgiven by God if they repented and turned from their sins. The worst sin on the planet was crucifying Christ and the people who did this were told that if they repented, they would be saved.

Interesting Questions
1) Do you have to be sinless to go to heaven?

Paul does NOT say that you have to be sinless to go to heaven. Sinless perfection is not possible. You do have to have all of your sins forgiven to go to heaven but you do not have to live a sinless life to go to heaven. That is not even possible. Paul is not teaching a works salvation. The kingdom is not earned, it is inherited.

An inheritance is something that you get when you die as a gift. It is not something that you work for to receive. It is something that you get because you are part of the family. The Bible teaches that all believers are heirs (Ephesians 1: 14, 18; Colossians 1:12; 1 Peter 1:4; Acts 20:32); Romans 8:17 Titus 3:7)

2) Can a Christian commit any one of these sins?

He does NOT say that a Christian cannot commit one of these sins. Who is there who has never had a covetous thought? A true believer could commit any one of these sins.

There are examples in the Bible of believers committing some of these sins. David committed adultery. Solomon committed idolatry. He married all of those pagan wives and started building temples to pagan gods because he loved his wives so much.

Noah got drunk after the Flood. Samson committed sexual immorality. He was visiting prostitutes and he is the one who is listed in the great faith hall of fame in Hebrews 11. Ananias and Sapphira were guilty of greed. A Christian can commit any sin and still go to heaven but a Christian cannot habitually live like any of these sinful lifestyles and still go to heaven.

3) Does this teach that you can lose your salvation?

Some have used this passage to teach that you can lose your salvation. Does Paul teach that? He does NOT say that you will lose your salvation. He doesn’t say that if you commit these sins you will lose your inheritance and be disinherited.

He just says that if you commit these sins, you will not get an inheritance. An inheritance is only for members of the family. The implication is that you were never saved. He doesn’t say anything about losing an inheritance.

4) Can you be gay and be a Christian?

Entire books written on a topic on both sides. Some say you can be gay and be a Christian. We talk about gay evangelicals today. We have not only GAY CHRISTIANS today, we have GAY CHURCHES. We have GAY DENOMINATIONS. We have GAY MINISTERS. Others say you cannot be gay and be a Christian. The question is not, what do people think about this question but what does the Bible say? What does God say about this question?

What the Bible says is completely counter-cultural. It is different from what society says. It is different from what modern psychology says. It is different from what the news media and entertainment industry says. God’s thoughts are NOT our thoughts (Isaiah 55:8-9). Jesus says, “What is HIGHLY ESTEEMED among men is DETESTABLE in God’s sight” (Luke 16:15-16).

Paul says in this passage that homosexuals will NOT enter the kingdom. These are not my words. I did not write them. The Bible says that they will NOT go to heaven. Paul does not say if people do these things, they will not get any rewards in heaven. He says that they will not be there. He also says that a lot of heterosexuals will NOT be there either. Scripture does NOT just single out homosexuals.

That is not to say that Christians can fall into all types of sins, including sexual sins and even homosexual sins. Christians can fall into adultery and even murder. King David committed adultery and murder but he repented. He was not a serial adulterer.

This passage is not talking about people who struggle with and fall into a particular sin but continue in that sin and even justify it and claim it is not even a sin and reinterpret the Bible to justify their sin. They say that God made them that way and make the Bible to say what they want it to say.

It is one thing to reject the Bible and its clear teaching on a variety of topics. It is quite another matter to claim to be a Christian and accept the Bible as the inspired, authoritative Word of God but to live completely contrary to what it teaches and justify that behavior. The latter claim to believe the Bible but revise and reinterpret it, making it say something that it does not say. A gay Christian is biblically an oxymoron. A Christian adulterer or a Christian drunkard is also an oxymoron.

To God be all the glory, honor and dunamis.

Shalom
Johann.

1Co 2:6 Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away.
1Co 2:7 But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory.
1Co 2:8 None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1Co 2:9 But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”—
1Co 2:10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God.
1Co 2:11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God.
1Co 2:13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.
1Co 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.
1Co 2:16 “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
 
FAQ: The New Testament says that the lost will be put to death in a lake of
brimstone. (Rev 20:11-15) If that's so, then why is it commonly believed that they
will suffer till time without end? Don't people have to be alive in order to experience
suffering?

REPLY: Human life consists of three components: body, soul, and spirit. Matt 10:28

speaks of destroying people's body and soul while saying nothing about the spirit
component. Genesis 2:7 strongly suggests that the spirit component is what makes
people living beings as opposed to inanimate objects. Luke 16:19-31 and Heb
12:23 suggest that the spirit component can be transferred to an afterlife
existence.
_
 
USA currency says: In God We Trust.

Well, if so, then how is it that the new governor of Oregon a lesbian; the previous
governor was bi-sexual, and the one before that shacked up with his concubine in
the governor's mansion? I live in the State of Sodom and Gomorrah!

Rev 22:14-15 . . Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the
right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are . .
the sexually immoral.
_
 
USA currency says: In God We Trust.

Well, if so, then how is it that the new governor of Oregon a lesbian; the previous
governor was bi-sexual, and the one before that shacked up with his concubine in
the governor's mansion? I live in the State of Sodom and Gomorrah!

Rev 22:14-15 . . Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the
right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are . .
the sexually immoral.
_
Remember: "In the End Times, Good will be seen as Bad and Bad as Good."
Reddit is the internet equivalent of Sodom and Gomorrah.
If anything we must fight harder, speak louder, pray more often and efficiently.
 
PLAINTIFF: The creator depicted in your holy book knew ahead of time that the
human life he was about to create would all have to die because of just one man's
sin, plus:

. . . the human life he was about to create would become so bad that he would
have to exterminate most of it in a global deluge,

. . . and the human life he was about to create would be suffering with diseases,
poverty, wars, famines, and oppression,

. . . and much of the human life that he was about to create would end up in Hell

. . . and to top it off: has the chutzpa to advertise himself as a god of love, concern,
compassion, and sympathy.

See: I can't respect the creator depicted in your holy book because he's cruel,
fiendish, and criminally insane.

REPLY: So in your honest opinion the creator depicted in the Bible is a merciless

tyrannical despot far more dangerous than Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Benito
Mussolini, Idi Amin, Mao Tse-tung, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Robert Mugabe, Xi
Jinping, and Kim Jong Un?

PLAINTIFF: Yes!


REPLY: And yet you aren't afraid of such an one?

PLAINTIFF: What's to fear? Your holy book's god doesn't exist; he's a fantasy;
along with the likes of Mickey Mouse, Peter Pan, and Pikachu.

REPLY: Well then; I suggest utilizing whatever amount of time you have remaining

to begin preparing yourself for the worst. If things should work out for the better,
then great; but if not then at least you won't be taken by surprise.

Prov 22:3 . . A sensible person foresees the danger ahead and takes precautions;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.
_
 
FAQ: What if I was born dishonest?

REPLY: You mean like Ps 58:3, which says:

"The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies go astray from
birth."

Well; that's pretty serious.

Rev 21:8 . . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and
brimstone, which is the second death.

FAQ: But I'm not a degenerate liar. I'm basically honest and lie only on occasion.


REPLY: No, you are basically dishonest-- the meanwhile managing your natural
impulses; keeping their control over you to a minimum.
_
 
When studying Mathew 25, verses 41 to 42 I am wondering what is hell and who is in charge there? I always assumed it is the devil but now I need clarification.
If the eternal fire is prepared for the devil and his demons, that puts a new slant on things.

I always thought hell was where God is not present, so that fits the long term. Yet the devil and his followers are not yet in hell, so where do the unbelievers go meanwhile? How can the devil receive their lost souls?
If ye then be risen with Christ,
seek those things which are above,
where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Set your affection on things above,
not on things on the earth.
 
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