What is Sin & is it OK to be Sin Free?

[Hekuran]

I define sin for kids like this: Sin is anything God is not. If you say, do, think or act in anyway that God is not...you sin!

That's pretty much how I would define sin for adults too.

For me, it is not so much that some actions are sinful, rather my every action is somehow tainted by my sinfulness.

 

[Lanolin]

It seems like people don't understand the circumcision of the heart, ie what people call 'the sin nature'

 

[Born Again 2004]

This will probably be a topic for another thread cos it seems some people arent getting what the blood of Jesus does for us. And how effective it is!

OH....we are well aware what the precious blood of Jesus has done for us, we just look at it differently than you do!

 

[Dave M]

example of not loving your neighbor as yourself would be when someone comes here and ask for a prayer and we ignore them, now is that loving our neighbor as yourself??

 

[At Peace]

Nobody is sin free. 1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

I have read the first 30 replies to the OP, to see if any were debating topics, and as they are I will similarly engage.
As for 1 John 1:8...
John is writing to a church, about two kinds of men.
Those who walk in the light, and those who walk in the darkness.
Those who walk in the light have had ALL their sins cleansed by the blood of Christ. They CAN say they have no sin.
Those who walk in darkness cannot say they have no sin, because they do continue to commit sin.
John uses an A-B, A-B, A-B style of writing. (Also used by Paul in Romans 8...Spirit-flesh, Spirit-flesh, Spirit-flesh.)
A applies to those who walk in the light and B applies to those who walk in the darkness.
Verses 5, 7, and 9 refer to those who walk in the light.
Verses 6, 8, and 10 refer to those who walk in the darkness.

Only God is perfect. Mark 10:18

Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good except God alone.

Don't you think Jesus was good?
I do.
I also think that all those who were crucified, buried, and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life are 'good'. (Rom 6;3-7)
In fact, only the unrepentant are NOT good.
They are the ones not reborn of Godly seed, and therefore not brethren of Christ Jesus, (Heb 2:11)

The difference between the saved and the unsaved is sincere repentance Psalm 51:17. The saved choose to hate what is evil more then they love it Rom 12:9. We choose to fight sin. Put the flesh under on a daily basis Rom 8:13.

That is correct, so the difference between saved and unsaved is that the unsaved have manifested a false repentance by returning to sin.

We are never sin free but we are also never a slave to sin 2 Cor 5:17.

Your response counters itself.
Jesus said..."And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. (John 8:32-34)
If you are a servant of sin, ie, a committer of sin, you are not free.
Sinners are slaves to sin.

A good guideline is to ensure we are not ever in mortal sins (murder, adultery, homosexuality, stealing from widows, false teaching). Rather we should all be battling with venial sins (immoral thoughts, cursing, white lies, dirty jokes).

That may work for your denomination, but it doesn't line up with scriptures like..."He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." (1 John 3:8-10)
I see no "scale" of sins here, but a cleaving with the sword of truth; separating the lovers from the haters of God.

When Paul said he was battling with the flesh in Rom 7:15, he was not referring to his past sin of murder, rather daily venial sins.

The first few verses of Ro 7 clearly show that it is speaking of a former time. Verse 5..."For when we WERE in the flesh..."
The entire middle of Ro 7 is about Paul's former life as a Pharisee; trying to live the Mosaic Law, but failing. And again, a reference to the past in verse 18; (that is, in my flesh).
And the end, especially verse 23; "But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to THE LAW OF SIN which is in my members."...points again to a former time. Because....
we read in Romans 8:2...."For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from THE LAW OF SIN and death.
Why would Paul be subject to something he is free of?
If you could see the truth of Ro 7, and its proximity to Ro 6, which speaks of baptism and the death of the flesh, you would see that Paul is writing of a past-present transition, and Ro 8 continues on into the life walked in the Spirit.
Many incorrectly use Rom 7 to try to make others believe that Paul was still a "servant of sin". and their motives are highly suspect.

We are all called to work out our salvation / discern our intentions harshly in fear and trembling Phil 2:12. If we do this sincerely, God will not need to judge us 1 Cor 11:31.

And if we don't?
If we don't do this "sincerely", but return to sinning, we shall not be found in the book of life at the final judgement.

We just need to remember that striving to be perfect is not being perfect. We are perfect to God when we repent sincerely and choose to daily fight sin.

Your entire base of the post is that nobody is perfect, so why would anyone "strive" for the impossible?
Fact is, we can all be perfect.
God allowed us to kill the old man and be reborn from His seed.
Seed that cannot bear evil fruit.
Thanks be to God!

 

[At Peace]

I cant help but to think of scripture here when I here when I read some of these replies

Luke 18:9-14 ESV / 4 helpful votes
He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.

Everyone here has scripture to back up what they are saying yet it conflicts with each other as well. To say you are sinless is to say you would lay your life down for a complete stranger, to say you are sinless is to say you love your neighbor at all times as yourself.

So far-so good!

We don’t lose our sin nature once we receive Christ.

Scripture says otherwise..."Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." (2 Cor 5:17)

The Bible says that sin remains in us and that a struggle with that old nature will continue as long as we are in this world. Paul bemoaned his own personal struggle in Romans 7:15–25.

The first few verses of Ro 7 clearly show that it is speaking of a former time. Verse 5..."For when we WERE in the flesh..."
The entire middle of Ro 7 is about Paul's former life as a Pharisee; trying to live the Mosaic Law, but failing. And again, a reference to the past in verse 18; (that is, in my flesh).
And the end, especially verse 23; "But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to THE LAW OF SIN which is in my members."...points again to a former time. Because....
we read in Romans 8:2...."For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from THE LAW OF SIN and death.
Why would Paul be subject to something he is free of?
If you could see the truth of Ro 7, and its proximity to Ro 6, which speaks of baptism and the death of the flesh, you would see that Paul is making the past-present transition, and Ro 8 continues on into the life walked in the Spirit.

. But we have help in the battle—divine help. The Spirit of God takes up residence in each believer and supplies the power we need to overcome the pull of the sin nature within us. “No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God” (1 John 3:9)

If we are born of God, wouldn't we most certainly have a divine nature instead of the one killed when we were crucified with Christ?

God’s ultimate plan for us is total sanctification when we see Christ (1 Thessalonians 3:13; 1 John 3:2).

Why not avail yourself of sanctification now?
It happens when we are "immersed" into Christ and His death.(Rom 6:3-7) That is where His "sanctifying blood washes us clean.
It is written..."By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." ((Hebrews 10:10)
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." ((Hebrews 10:14)
.

What is the sin nature?
Paul asked, “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?” (Romans 6:1–2). Although Christians will still sin after being saved,

If "they" are still committing sin, they are in direct opposition to the verses you provided.
They are not "dead to sin".

the heart change that the Holy Spirit brings will result in a new attitude toward sin. Sin cannot continue being a lifestyle choice if we have surrendered our lives to Jesus. That’s what it means to say that Jesus is Lord (Romans 10:9; Colossians 2:6). We have a new boss. We cannot be followers of Christ and followers of sin at the same time. They are going in opposite directions (Luke 9:23; 14:33). Romans 12:2instructs, “Be transformed by the renewing of your mind.” Renewal can take some time, but it is a process that produces a change of behavior.
Do Christians sin?

No.
Sinners are "going in the opposite direction".

 

[At Peace]

Matt 5:20; "For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

1 Cor 6:9; Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1 Cor 6:10; nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Gal 5:19; Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20; idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
Gal 5:21; envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Rom 6:13; and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
Rom 6:16; Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

1 Jn 2:29; If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone also who practices righteousness is born of Him.
1 Jn 3:7; Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
1 Jn 3:10; By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

Rev 21:7; "He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.
Rev 21:8; "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

John 3:19; "This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.

John 5:28; "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
John 5:29; and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Rom 2:5; But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,
Rom 2:6; who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS:

Titus 1:16; They profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed.

Rev 2:26; 'He who overcomes, and he who keeps My deeds until the end, TO HIM I WILL GIVE AUTHORITY OVER THE NATIONS;

Rev 20:12; And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
Rev 20:13; And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.

1 Pet 4:17; For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

Matt 25:45; "Then He will answer them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
Matt 25:46; "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Matt 19:16; And someone came to Him and said, "Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?"
Matt 19:17; And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments."

Heb 12:4; You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin;

1 Pet 4:18; AND IF IT IS WITH DIFFICULTY THAT THE RIGHTEOUS IS SAVED, WHAT WILL BECOME OF THE GODLESS MAN AND THE SINNER?

Php 2:12; So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;

2 Cor 5:10; For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

Isa 59:2; But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear.

Luke 6:46; "Why do you call Me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?

Thank you for the wonderful verses promoting Godliness!

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

. No, liars can get into heaven.

Being a liar will not keep one from heaven.
Only Rejecting the sacrifice of Christ and not accepting the gift of salvation will keep you from heaven.
Blessings
W4F

So far-so good!


Scripture says otherwise..."Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." (2 Cor 5:17)


The first few verses of Ro 7 clearly show that it is speaking of a former time. Verse 5..."For when we WERE in the flesh..."
The entire middle of Ro 7 is about Paul's former life as a Pharisee; trying to live the Mosaic Law, but failing. And again, a reference to the past in verse 18; (that is, in my flesh).
And the end, especially verse 23; "But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to THE LAW OF SIN which is in my members."...points again to a former time. Because....
we read in Romans 8:2...."For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from THE LAW OF SIN and death.
Why would Paul be subject to something he is free of?
If you could see the truth of Ro 7, and its proximity to Ro 6, which speaks of baptism and the death of the flesh, you would see that Paul is making the past-present transition, and Ro 8 continues on into the life walked in the Spirit.


If we are born of God, wouldn't we most certainly have a divine nature instead of the one killed when we were crucified with Christ?


Why not avail yourself of sanctification now?
It happens when we are "immersed" into Christ and His death.(Rom 6:3-7) That is where His "sanctifying blood washes us clean.
It is written..."By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." ((Hebrews 10:10)
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." ((Hebrews 10:14)
.

If "they" are still committing sin, they are in direct opposition to the verses you provided.
They are not "dead to sin".


No.
Sinners are "going in the opposite direction".

The verse dead to sin does not mean one does not sin.
I refers to sin not having power over you any longer and now through Christ one can over come sin.

There will be people on Heaven which you have judged unworthy to be there because their life still had sin in it.

Blessings
W4F

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

The title of this thread is.
What is Sin & is it OK to be Sin Free?

A few things need to be made clear.
1. What is sin?
2. Is it OK to be Sin free.

Number 2 is easy
That is what all believers should be striving for.

Now number 1 is where Christians make things hard. It should not be hard at all but people make it hard.

We all know the a, b, c's of sin.
Sin does not stop there.
The more Light we retain the more sin that will be revealed.
Meaning some things were not known as sin in a Believer at the level they were at.

However as they grow in Christ more light is found in them and things begin to show up that need to be changed.

Unforgiveness is actually a sin.
You will see Christians claim if you only knew what they did you would not ask me to forgive them....
Maybe so BUT the Father Commanded us to.

Demanding your rights can fall into sin.
Correcting everyone can become sin.
We could go on forever listing things that can be seen as sin.


Note the following and then note the story below.

It's been said in the forum if you sin then you were not saved and scriptures used incorrectly to back that thinking.
That is in total error.

Story...Example.
10 years of games and all out lying and packages sent back claiming they were not delivered and so much more.

Today when the office pulled something so stupid and several ladies were their cocky selves.

I got a little loud and huffy and told them these games are going to stop.
I told them I don't care about your new rules.....I am not going to push a lady a little over a mile all the way around this complex in snow and ice in her wheelchair.

I always sign for the package and after 10 years of being here you want to pull this. I told them I should not have signed the new lease.

I went back up and apologized to every lady and one male manager when he showed back up.

They were like it's ok but I made it clear no it was NOT ok. I was frustrated and had no right to take it out on them and so forth.

That hit home with them.
It was the first time the male manager went out of his way to shake my hand in 10 years.

Even though a few girls claimed an email sent (3 of them) were not received, the male manager let me sign and gave me the package.

I repented before God and then went back and apologized to them.

Point Being.
1. I sinned by getting in the flesh, even though I had a right to in the natural.

2. That does not say I was not saved or changed.
Evidence of change is seen through admitting I blew it and got in the flesh and Repented and made it right.

Blessings
W4F

 

[At Peace]

Being a liar will not keep one from heaven.
Only Rejecting the sacrifice of Christ and not accepting the gift of salvation will keep you from heaven.
Blessings
W4F

Every sin will keep you out of heaven, as the sin proves you love yourself above what God wants.
That is idolatry.
No idolaters, or liars,will be found in the book of life.

The verse dead to sin does not mean one does not sin.
It refers to sin not having power over you any longer and now through Christ one can over come sin.

Would that not infer that we CAN live without sin?
You have posited that we can overcome sin,(temptation), through Jesus Christ, but we don't obey Him.
I find that quite...confusing.

There will be people on Heaven which you have judged unworthy to be there because their life still had sin in it.

Not according to Matt 7:23..."And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Your concept of judgement is skewed.

 

[At Peace]

The title of this thread is.
What is Sin & is it OK to be Sin Free?

A few things need to be made clear.
1. What is sin?
2. Is it OK to be Sin free.

Number 2 is easy
That is what all believers should be striving for.

Now number 1 is where Christians make things hard. It should not be hard at all but people make it hard.

We all know the a, b, c's of sin.
Sin does not stop there.
The more Light we retain the more sin that will be revealed.
Meaning some things were not known as sin in a Believer at the level they were at.

However as they grow in Christ more light is found in them and things begin to show up that need to be changed.

Unforgiveness is actually a sin.
You will see Christians claim if you only knew what they did you would not ask me to forgive them....
Maybe so BUT the Father Commanded us to.

Demanding your rights can fall into sin.
Correcting everyone can become sin.
We could go on forever listing things that can be seen as sin.


Note the following and then note the story below.

It's been said in the forum if you sin then you were not saved and scriptures used incorrectly to back that thinking.
That is in total error.

Story...Example.
10 years of games and all out lying and packages sent back claiming they were not delivered and so much more.

Today when the office pulled something so stupid and several ladies were their cocky selves.

I got a little loud and huffy and told them these games are going to stop.
I told them I don't care about your new rules.....I am not going to push a lady a little over a mile all the way around this complex in snow and ice in her wheelchair.

I always sign for the package and after 10 years of being here you want to pull this. I told them I should not have signed the new lease.

I went back up and apologized to every lady and one male manager when he showed back up.

They were like it's ok but I made it clear no it was NOT ok. I was frustrated and had no right to take it out on them and so forth.

That hit home with them.
It was the first time the male manager went out of his way to shake my hand in 10 years.

Even though a few girls claimed an email sent (3 of them) were not received, the male manager let me sign and gave me the package.

I repented before God and then went back and apologized to them.

Point Being.
1. I sinned by getting in the flesh, even though I had a right to in the natural.

2. That does not say I was not saved or changed.
Evidence of change is seen through admitting I blew it and got in the flesh and Repented and made it right.

Blessings
W4F

It is written..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Gal 5:24)
Do you know how to "crucify the flesh"?

 

[KingJ]

Being a liar will not keep one from heaven.

That's what I said :wink:.

Only Rejecting the sacrifice of Christ and not accepting the gift of salvation will keep you from heaven.

Agreed. Only one sold out to sin would do such John 3:19.

 

[KingJ]

I have read the first 30 replies to the OP, to see if any were debating topics, and as they are I will similarly engage.
As for 1 John 1:8...
John is writing to a church, about two kinds of men.
Those who walk in the light, and those who walk in the darkness.
Those who walk in the light have had ALL their sins cleansed by the blood of Christ. They CAN say they have no sin.
Those who walk in darkness cannot say they have no sin, because they do continue to commit sin.
John uses an A-B, A-B, A-B style of writing. (Also used by Paul in Romans 8...Spirit-flesh, Spirit-flesh, Spirit-flesh.)
A applies to those who walk in the light and B applies to those who walk in the darkness.
Verses 5, 7, and 9 refer to those who walk in the light.
Verses 6, 8, and 10 refer to those who walk in the darkness.

Hi Peace.

I partially agree. We can 'say' we have no sin as God does not see our sin when He looks at us. He sees us covered by the blood of Jesus. But, we still do things that displease God. Its called free will and we will always have it.

This is a moot point to argue as you cannot tell me you do not sin.

Don't you think Jesus was good?
I do.
I also think that all those who were crucified, buried, and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life are 'good'. (Rom 6;3-7)
In fact, only the unrepentant are NOT good.
They are the ones not reborn of Godly seed, and therefore not brethren of Christ Jesus, (Heb 2:11)

In the context He meant, no. Otherwise He would have said ''thanks, I know I am''.

Yes, we are good. Even the unsaved can be good. The devil was once good. Served God for many years. The issue however is sacrifice. Are we willing to lay our lives down for God as He did for us? It takes no less to be saved.

Your response counters itself.
Jesus said..."

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. (John 8:32-34)
If you are a servant of sin, ie, a committer of sin, you are not free.
Sinners are slaves to sin.

We are not slaves to sin. Sin does not rule over us. But we can still sin. We will / should never find a Christian in mortal sins. Once offs of a mortal sin are still possible. Daily once offs of venial sins is possible. Emphasis on 'once off vs continuing' in. If we are sold out to Jesus we will not crave being in the mud. Rather when we fall into mud, we will jump out and want to get washed asap.

That may work for your denomination, but it doesn't line up with scriptures like..."

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." (1 John 3:8-10)
I see no "scale" of sins here, but a cleaving with the sword of truth; separating the lovers from the haters of God.

Mortal and venial sins should not be a Catholic only subject. It is on par with saying the trinity is Catholic only.

There are many scriptures from Paul urging us to judge and discern ourselves, others and all things. Grasping God's differing punishments in the OT, grasping the need for differing rewards according to deeds done, judging sincerity of repentance. This is all I am doing. Suggesting matters are black and white is not discernment. You are reading these scriptures in isolation to the entire bible. ''We are born of God and cannot sin'' is God saying that us living by the spirit does not upset Him. By the spirit we do not sin.

If you take the verse of the devil sinning from the beginning literally, then you must believe he was sinning in heaven too. I agree. He committed venial sins in heaven. Mortal sins / being sold out to sin got him removed. Just as Adam and Eve had to actually eat the fruit, not just think about eating it. Just as actual adultery is grounds for divorce Matt 5:32 and not thoughts Matt 5:28. Jesus also made this point so we could grasp that God did not make a mistake removing him. The devil has never wanted to repent.

The first few verses of Ro 7 clearly show that it is speaking of a former time. Verse 5..."For when we WERE in the flesh..."
The entire middle of Ro 7 is about Paul's former life as a Pharisee; trying to live the Mosaic Law, but failing. And again, a reference to the past in verse 18; (that is, in my flesh).
And the end, especially verse 23; "But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to THE LAW OF SIN which is in my members."...points again to a former time. Because....
we read in Romans 8:2...."For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from THE LAW OF SIN and death.
Why would Paul be subject to something he is free of?
If you could see the truth of Ro 7, and its proximity to Ro 6, which speaks of baptism and the death of the flesh, you would see that Paul is writing of a past-present transition, and Ro 8 continues on into the life walked in the Spirit.
Many incorrectly use Rom 7 to try to make others believe that Paul was still a "servant of sin". and their motives are highly suspect.

I believe you are missing what Paul is trying to explain in Rom 7.

Paul is saying that by the spirit he ''hates'' what his flesh does. He is now justified by the law of Christ (spirit) and not the law of the letter. Since the spirit ''hates'' what the flesh does, it is not guilty of the sin. This does not mean we do not sin.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

That's what I said :wink:.

Yeppers and I was just adding or backing up.
Hope all is well with you and the family.
Blessings
W4F

 

[Dave M]

1 Corinthians 3:1
But I, brothers, could not address you as spiritual people, but as people of the flesh, as infants in Christ.

these people were clearly saved, yet still weak in the flesh meaning they still sinned. It is a process and we do not become perfect until we receive our glorified bodies. The way some of you make accusations about people that do not agree with you is down right terrible and shameful !!

If all of you think you Keep the second greatest commandment that Jesus Christ gave us 24/7 of Loving your Neighbor as yourself, I would ask you to take a deep deep personal look in the mirror. I believe he gave us that commandment partially to show us all just how far from perfect we are. Who will lay down there life for your neighbor right now with out a doubt ???

 

[Dave M]

unintentional sin is the word I think that has been missing from this discussion.

Killing someone is a sin, but what about if you do it in a accident? seems people here are suggesting this type of thing could not happen because they are perfect and do not sin???

What if you ignore someone who comes to you for help because you are so busy doing something else? have you loved that person like yourself? yet you did not do it on-purpose.

I think the list of unintentional sin is long and just goes to show us we need a savior in Christ, the closer I get to Christ the more I see how badly I need him. Thank you Jesus !!

 

[Born Again 2004]

OH @At Peace , I truly, truly say this in all love an concern for you with no offensive intent: You are wrong on so many accounts! As far as I know, you are Christian, albeit a misguided one.

Every sin will keep you out of heaven, as the sin proves you love yourself above what God wants.
That is idolatry.
No idolaters, or liars,will be found in the book of life.

• Matthew 12:31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
• This is plain and simple, God will not or can not forgive unbelief , if you die in this condition!
• When God mentions Idolatry, he is stating that if you die in this condition. It is common knowledge by most "Born Again " Christians and in the above verse, Idolatry can be forgiven!!!

Would that not infer that we CAN live without sin?
You have posited that we can overcome sin,(temptation), through Jesus Christ, but we don't obey Him.
I find that quite...confusing.

Yes friend you are confused!

Not according to Matt 7:23..."And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

• Matthew 7: 21-23 Not everyone who says to me, 'LORD, LORD,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, 'LORD, LORD, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' 23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!
• Churches through out the world have two types of Christians, those with Jesus in them and those in name only and without Jesus in them The above verses is talking about the latter!

Your concept of judgement is skewed.

• Christ is the only judge.
• Matthew 7:1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.B)"> 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

 

[B-A-C]

• Matthew 12:31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

• This is plain and simple, God will not or can not forgive unbelief , if you die in this condition!

Jas 2:19; You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit has nothing to do with unbelief.

Mark 3:22; The scribes who came down from Jerusalem were saying, "He is possessed by Beelzebul," and "He casts out the demons by the ruler of the demons."
Mark 3:23; And He called them to Himself and began speaking to them in parables, "How can Satan cast out Satan?

Mark 3:28; "Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;
Mark 3:29; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"—
Mark 3:30; because they were saying, "He has an unclean spirit."

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is simply saying things of God are from Satan.. and things of Satan are from God.

Isa 5:20; Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

 

[Lanolin]

Interesting discussion...

Some people seem to believe liars will enter heaven when revelation clearly says all people who tell lies will be shut out.

Another instance is some people believe Paul was saying the opposite of what he was meaning that he was still a sinner, well no he WAS the chief sinner but when he came to Christ Jesus saved him from doing what he didnt want to do in the flesh.

Some people also believe being corrected is sinful...but isnt that what God does for us He chastens us and disciplines us because He loves us! If He didnt do this He would not be a Father to us!

Sinning unintentionally...well we all make mistakes but but we can get up if we fall and carry on walking, we can ask God for forgiveness. God can see the areas where we may be weak and strengthen us...this is why we rely on the Lord to help us. Love does cover a multitude of sins.

Evil hearts...the thing is the heart can be wicked and deceitful who can know it? This is a rhetorical question..God can know it. and He can give us a new heart...a circumised heart.

Loving one another...we can do this with Gods help but some people wont accept God's love sadly.

Being saved and born again of God's seed..(which means of Jesus) well anyone who knows about gardening, and am not going to assume everyone here does this activity, will know that when a seed falls to the ground it is buried in the soil and grows a new plant, but it will always grow to what that seed is. So if you sow corn, you are not going to reap dandelions. The problem is, people who are not gardeners probably donr understand who or what is sowing the weeds. They may erroneously think a corn seed will grow into a dandelion!

 

[Born Again 2004]

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is simply saying things of God are from Satan.. and things of Satan are from God.

• OK, but all other sins can be forgiven right.
• If you did /could / can, personally blasphemy the Holy Spirit.....what would that mean?