What is the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming?

[Listening]

The little horn is not one man
For no one man ruled for 42 months
And no one man ruled for 1260 years.
The little horn persecutes the saints
The saints cannot be persecuted by the little horn
For 1260 years if they are raptured already or gathered already!
So this Proves scripture is right and jesuit rapture is wrong.

The word of God defeats jesuit false rapture teaching!!!

 

[Ophel]

The little horn is not one man
For no one man ruled for 42 months
And no one man ruled for 1260 years.
The little horn persecutes the saints
The saints cannot be persecuted by the little horn
For 1260 years if they are raptured already or gathered already!
So this Proves scripture is right and jesuit rapture is wrong.

Yeah, one man will gain power over the one world government to come.

Scripture is still right, while you have a misinterpretation of it. 1260 days is 1260 days.


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[norapture]

Just reposting this because it hides..LOL

rother u say the Bride goes to
Jesus at the rapture and
Return with Jesus at his 2nd
coming, but if he turns at the so
called rapture , wouldn't when
he comes after that be the 3rd
coming?


At His first coming He walked the Earth. At the rapture the bride will meet Him in the air. His feet do not touch the Earth. At His second coming He will set foot first on the Mount of Olives, the same place He left from. See both times He comes he is walking the Earth. At the rapture He does not.

Now why do we meet him in the
air, could not he rapture us all
the way to heaven?
Instead of meeting us in the air.


LOL He could do it that way. It was not my plan. Don't blame me! I don't know why He chose to do it this way.

There is a sea of glass we shall
stand on when his wrath is
poured out.

Its not a well known belief, that the Earth will actually spin out of its orbit and the Great white throne judgment will take place where the Earth usually is. I assume the sea of glass would be a platform? Maybe...

Also who can stand in his wrath
( no one can) its the day of wrath.
Gods people will stand because His Wrath is not directed at us.

Brother I agree we ( the saints)
Won't receive his wrath.
But tribulation , and wrath isn't the same thing.
Also Satan has a wrath , which the saints will receive and many be killed.

You say when the rapture happens , Jesus doesn't touch the earth.
Let me ask you this at the rapture, will he be seen by the world, or do they not see him?

 

[Bendito]

Brother I agree we ( the saints)
Won't receive his wrath.
But tribulation , and wrath isn't the same thing.
Also Satan has a wrath , which the saints will receive and many be killed.

You say when the rapture happens , Jesus doesn't touch the earth.
Let me ask you this at the rapture, will he be seen by the world, or do they not see him?

Those not caught up will not see Him...They may or may not hear anything, I'm not sure...But you'll see millions of people suddenly missing, in the blink of an eye....Want to know what I think will happen next?

I think that the governments of the world will explain this disappearance of millions of Christians (called terrorists) by saying they were caught up by aliens to protect the good people of the Earth.. Of course this last is pure conjecture on my part and not part of the scriptures.

 

[Ophel]

Brother I agree we ( the saints)
Won't receive his wrath.
But tribulation , and wrath isn't the same thing.
Also Satan has a wrath , which the saints will receive and many be killed.

You say when the rapture happens , Jesus doesn't touch the earth.
Let me ask you this at the rapture, will he be seen by the world, or do they not see him?

Only the Bride will hear Him call and go---with JOY!

It is at the second coming that the world will see Him, and be provoked to try to destroy Him. No mention of the joy of believers. He comes as destroyer! Not as our Saviour.

 

[norapture]

Those not caught up will not see Him...They may or may not hear anything, I'm not sure...But you'll see millions of people suddenly missing, in the blink of an eye....Want to know what I think will happen next?

I think that the governments of the world will explain this disappearance of millions of Christians (called terrorists) by saying they were caught up by aliens to protect the good people of the Earth.. Of course this last is pure conjecture on my part and not part of the scriptures.

Can u give me a some verses that says no one will see him when he returns?

 

[Ophel]

Can u give me a some verses that says no one will see him when he returns?

Are you not familiar with the scripture that says, "...and every eye shall see Him."??

 

[norapture]

[QUOTI ="Ophel, post: 267494, member: 20259"]Are you not familiar with the scripture that says, "...and every eye shall see Him."??[/QUOTE]

Yes I am , but if he won't be seen at the rapture, his coming.
Then there should be scripture telling that he won't be seen as some people say.
See I see the catching away , as the same time as his coming.
Just like in the days of Noah the day , he entered the ark the flood came and destroyed them all.
Like Lot when he left the city's hellfire, destroyed them.
So the same day the church leaves , his wrath will destroy the
those left.
See you won't find one verse that says we won't see tribulation,

But we won't see or suffer his
wrath.
Wrath and tribulation is not the same.
No one will stand when they are cast into the winepress of God.

 

[Ophel]

Yes I am , but if he won't be seen at the rapture, his coming.
Then there should be scripture telling that he won't be seen as some people say.
See I see the catching away , as the same time as his coming.
Just like in the days of Noah the day , he entered the ark the flood came and destroyed them all.
Like Lot when he left the city's hellfire, destroyed them.
So the same day the church leaves , his wrath will destroy the
those left.
See you won't find one verse that says we won't see tribulation,

But we won't see or suffer his
wrath.
Wrath and tribulation is not the same.
No one will stand when they are cast into the winepress of God.

At the Rapture, Jesus will most definitely be heard and seen by His beautiful Bride!

That you see the catching away as the same event as His second coming is merely misinterpretation and poor intermingling of many scriptural references.

When the Church leaves, yes, much calamity will befall the world of unbelievers. But that is all seven years before Jesus returns to set up His Millennial Kingdom! We will not see or suffer His wrath on unbelievers because we won;t be here to witness it. We will be in heaven enjoying the wedding feast of the Lamb! Tribulation is going to be a time of God's judgments being poured out on a world that rejects Him. Think about the incredible similarity between what is told us about the disasters God sends upon the world and the judgments He poured out on Egypt when Pharaoh's hard heart rejected God and His plan for His people, Israel! Israel was spared every one of them. So will His people be spared His worldwide judgments.

The end of His mercy will be at hand.


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[norapture]

At the Rapture, Jesus will most definitely be heard and seen by His beautiful Bride!

That you see the catching away as the same event as His second coming is merely misinterpretation and poor intermingling of many scriptural references.

When the Church leaves, yes, much calamity will befall the world of unbelievers. But that is all seven years before Jesus returns to set up His Millennial Kingdom! We will not see or suffer His wrath on unbelievers because we won;t be here to witness it. We will be in heaven enjoying the wedding feast of the Lamb! Tribulation is going to be a time of God's judgments being poured out on a world that rejects Him. Think about the incredible similarity between what is told us about the disasters God sends upon the world and the judgments He poured out on Egypt when Pharaoh's hard heart rejected God and His plan for His people, Israel! Israel was spared every one of them. So will His people be spared His worldwide judgments.

The end of His mercy will be at hand.


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Well we both could go back and forth, saying I'm misinterpreting, and you misinterpreting scripture.

So if you can post scripture , that
says he wwon't be seen by the world, like a secret
Cause Jesus and Paul said not to be deceived, when they talk about his coming.
Or maybe scripture that says we won't go threw tribulation.
Cause if u can't , u mite want to rethink what u been taught.
To agree with his word.

 

[Ophel]

Well we both could go back and forth, saying I'm misinterpreting, and you misinterpreting scripture.

So if you can post scripture , that
says he wwon't be seen by the world, like a secret
Cause Jesus and Paul said not to be deceived, when they talk about his coming.
Or maybe scripture that says we won't go threw tribulation.
Cause if u can't , u mite want to rethink what u been taught.
To agree with his word.

There will be no secret. Millions of people will suddenly vanish.

1 Corinthians 15:51-53
But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed! 52 It will happen in a moment, in the blink of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we who are living will also be transformed. 53 For our dying bodies must be transformed into bodies that will never die; our mortal bodies must be transformed into immortal bodies.

There is an order:

1 Corinthians 15:23
But there is an order to this resurrection: Christ was raised as the first of the harvest; then all who belong to Christ will be raised when he comes back.

Yes, the rapture is Jesus coming back for us, His precious Bride, betrothed and waiting for His sudden appearance in the clouds. The second coming is Jesus and His Bride coming to earth to rule and reign for 1000 years.

Where is the scripture that says that the Bride of Christ will suffer God's judgments in Tribulation? Produce that and we'll have something to discuss.

 

[Ceptor]

Matthew 15:14

 

[norapture]

There will be no secret. Millions of people will suddenly vanish.

1 Corinthians 15:51-53
But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed! 52 It will happen in a moment, in the blink of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we who are living will also be transformed. 53 For our dying bodies must be transformed into bodies that will never die; our mortal bodies must be transformed into immortal bodies.

There is an order:

1 Corinthians 15:23
But there is an order to this resurrection: Christ was raised as the first of the harvest; then all who belong to Christ will be raised when he comes back.

Yes, the rapture is Jesus coming back for us, His precious Bride, betrothed and waiting for His sudden appearance in the clouds. The second coming is Jesus and His Bride coming to earth to rule and reign for 1000 years.

Where is the scripture that says that the Bride of Christ will suffer God's judgments in Tribulation? Produce that and we'll have something to discuss.

I never said the bride would
suffer Gods judgement, like I said tribulation and wrath is not the
same.
Have u never read ? where Jesus
said if I have suffered , you shall
also suffer , the servant isn't
above the master.
Now it says at the LAST trump
shall sound, and the dead in
Christ shall rise , then we which are alive will he change , and we ALL shall meet the Lord in the air .
Do you know what LAST means?
Do u know What ALL means?
Do you not see where at his
coming ALL that belong to
Christ are resurrected, that's the order , when it comes to the resurrection there is a order.

It does not say some before tribulation, and the rest after
tribulation.
Why you the those who die during the tribulation, cause they won't worship the beast or take his mark, they are in the FIRST resurrection, and live and reign
with Christ a 1000 years.
The resurrection is on the last day , at the LAST trump

When do you think the LAST trump is????
7 years before the last trump?
Because when Christ comes back it will with a great sound of trumpet, is the 7th trump.
But you say the Last trump is before any of the trumps in Revelation.
Why try to change the truth, and and add to it.

 

[Ophel]

I never said the bride would
suffer Gods judgement, like I said tribulation and wrath is not the
same.
Have u never read ? where Jesus
said if I have suffered , you shall
also suffer , the servant isn't
above the master.
Now it says at the LAST trump
shall sound, and the dead in
Christ shall rise , then we which are alive will he change , and we ALL shall meet the Lord in the air .
Do you know what LAST means?
Do u know What ALL means?
Do you not see where at his
coming ALL that belong to
Christ are resurrected, that's the order , when it comes to the resurrection there is a order.

It does not say some before tribulation, and the rest after
tribulation.
Why you the those who die during the tribulation, cause they won't worship the beast or take his mark, they are in the FIRST resurrection, and live and reign
with Christ a 1000 years.
The resurrection is on the last day , at the LAST trump

When do you think the LAST trump is????
7 years before the last trump?
Because when Christ comes back it will with a great sound of trumpet, is the 7th trump.
But you say the Last trump is before any of the trumps in Revelation.
Why try to change the truth, and and add to it.

Do you discern where Jesus is speaking to the Jews? Tribulation is the time God will be dealing with Israel. When Jesus returns with His Bride, He will be returning to Israel and for her, who will receive their Messiah with joy...and mourning.

Study the difference between the trumpet blare and the last trump. Two different meanings.


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[norapture]

Do you discern where Jesus is speaking to the Jews? Tribulation is the time God will be dealing with Israel. When Jesus returns with His Bride, He will be returning to Israel and for her, who will receive their Messiah with joy...and mourning.

Study the difference between the trumpet blare and the last trump. Two different meanings.


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Have u ever read there is no difference in Jew and Gentile ?

Have u ever read if they have not the Spirit if Christ they are none of his ?

Paul said Jesus broke down this wall , why try to put it back up ?

Jesus told the Jews to search the scriptures, cause they thought it was about them, but he said it was him , the scripture testified of.
He even told them that God could raise stones up unto Abraham.
Now the promise God made to Abraham and his seed , was Christ.
The promise was never according to the flesh
The Jews are no better than
you or me they will receive no great sign to convince them
, that Jesus is the Messiah.
Just like I and me they have to believe the gospel.
That Christ died and rose the third day.
Jesus told them the only sign, they would receive is the sign of Jonah.
Do u know what sign that is ?
Its what everyone must believe.

 

[Ophel]

The time of Tribulation is the time where God finishes up with Israel. That is a given, noting that this time is called the Time of Jacob's Trouble.

The Church which is the Bride of Christ will be removed so there is no overlap of dispensations. God never works two dispensations at a time. This time of Jacob's Trouble will be a reversion to the time of the Law...before the cross, and Israel will once again resume the sacrificial system.

 

[norapture]

The time of Tribulation is the time where God finishes up with Israel. That is a given, noting that this time is called the Time of Jacob's Trouble.

The Church which is the Bride of Christ will be removed so there is no overlap of dispensations. God never works two dispensations at a time. This time of Jacob's Trouble will be a reversion to the time of the Law...before the cross, and Israel will once again resume the sacrificial system.

You say the time of tribulation, is
when God finishes up with
Israel.
May i ask you when did he stop?

 

[Ophel]

You say the time of tribulation, is
when God finishes up with
Israel.
May i ask you when did he stop?

Finishing up with His dealings with the Jew doesn't mean He has ever stopped ministering to the individual Jew, but the moment Jesus died on the cross, their Messiah was "cut off" as Daniel's prophecy accurately states, and the Old Covenant gave way to the New.

The 7-year Tribulation period is the seven years that remain to be allotted to Israel...the time the whole nation will finally receive her Messiah. God will focus on them over everyone else, the Church having been removed, just as He dealt with them before Christ.

 

[norapture]

TE="Ophel, post: 267631, member: 20259"]Finishing up with His dealings with the Jew doesn't mean He has ever stopped ministering to the individual Jew, but the moment Jesus died on the cross, their Messiah was "cut off" as Daniel's prophecy accurately states, and the Old Covenant gave way to the New.

The 7-year Tribulation period is the seven years that remain to be allotted to Israel...the time the whole nation will finally receive herMessiah. God will focus on them over everyone else, the Church having been removed, just as He dealt with them before Christ.[/QUOTE]



Wow this so sad , that u believe
all these teachings of men.
People pick up a book read what some man wrote just because he
is known by the world.
Just like in the days Jesus walk
this earth, religious leaders
thinking they know it all.
So many warnings in scripture, and yet people fall for it.
Paul preached against turning
back to the law, and yet u say God himself is going to take them back under it.
They will have to be grafted back
in , the same as gentiles
.
There was 2 covenants , one was done away with that the other
maybe established.
The covenant Christ made by shedding his blood on the cross is a everlasting covenant.

To say there will be another is a
lie taught by people unlearn, they
should be ashamed.

Gods not a respect of persons, to
say a Jew I special because he is a Jew is a lie from Satan

The gospel clear as day says there is no difference in Jew and gentile
Matter of fact a Jew is NOT one
outwardly, not the flesh that's the outward part.
But a Jew in one inwardly of the heart, by the Spirit.
Just like scripture says in they don't have the Spirit of Christ
they are none of his.

 

[Ophel]

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