What is the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming?

[Ophel]

Your teachers and you are very wrong
My teacher is christ and his spirit and the word of God
That you casually always ignore for the convenience of your own teaching, which is false and based upon jesuit lies and The visions of mentally ill none believers,

Not so.

You are not being taught by Christ. You only think that.


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[Listening]

What you all should be aware of escaping is the great delusion such things as the jesuit mentally ill vision false rapture doctrine seek to facilitate. Pray you are worthy to escape that that will and is coming to this earth already, like a great trap over all men.

 

[Listening]

Not so.

You are not being taught by Christ. You only think that.


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I only think it?
Perhaps that is your mistake.
As you have your rapture teaching from the vision of a mentally ill woman who was into levitation and did not confess christ, and also the cunning murderous jesuits.
So perhaps you are right to only think it.

 

[Ophel]

What you all should be aware of escaping is the great delusion such things as the jesuit mentally ill vision false rapture doctrine seek to facilitate. Pray you are worthy to escape that that will and is coming to this earth already, like a great trap over all men.

I should think that as you are tormented by demons according to your own testimony, you should not be one who bandies about the notion that the teaching in scripture about end time matters comes from people who are mentally ill, if you want to be taken seriously.

I am worthy to escape, because I am a King's kid.


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[norapture]

[QUOthat'sophel, post: 267314, member: 20259"]I am not wrong, because I have had many Spirit-led, anointed teachers, and am myself Spirit-led and anointed to be able to understand scripture.


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So thats the problem , spirit-led teachers.
For no man has taught me only Jesus Christ in me by his word.
What man says is nothing

 

[Listening]

It isn't THE Tribulation spoken of in Revelation.



More contrived nonsense. The Antichrist has not appeared on the world stage yet.



Who are you thinking I am calling precious? All believers are God's precious children. Only unbelievers will experience the horrors of the great Tribulation to come.


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Your blind
And do not even know what antichrist is
There have been many world leaders on the world stage who are antichrist
The antichrist the man of sin can only be discerned by those in the truth
As you are not of the truth and are instead taught by the jesuits and mentally ill visions from occultists
You will and do not know what the antichrist is or what it disguises itself as.
But i do, so contrary to you saying i am not taught by christ but only think i am i know it is only through christ in me and his word and spirit that i know 100 % that the papacy itself is the antichrist.

 

[Ophel]

I only think it?
Perhaps that is your mistake.
As you have your rapture teaching from the vision of a mentally ill woman who was into levitation and did not confess christ, and also the cunning murderous jesuits.
So perhaps you are right to only think it.

This nonsense is only your pattern. Easily dismissed.

The writers of the New Testament believed in the rapture or "harpazo", the catching away of the saints. That's why it's in the bible. Clearly.


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[Ophel]

I am not wrong, because I have had many Spirit-led, anointed teachers, and am myself Spirit-led and anointed to be able to understand scripture.


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So thats the problem , spirit-led teachers.
For no man has taught me only Jesus Christ in me by his word.
What man says is nothing

That is so very obvious. You are in denial of what God has promised to provide for His people---Spirit-filled and Spirit-led teachers. God does not enable singletons. We are a Body of believers---many parts---interdependent, and not independent. Not availing yourself of what God supplies leads to crookedness, and of course, what I and others see: someone who is out of tune with the Body of Christ. There is such a thing as a spirit called an independent spirit, not a good one, by the way, which leads some people out of the churches and into the world, alone, spiritual islands, but they soon become weird, and unusable by God.

Sorry to say, but it is the truth.


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[Listening]

[QUOthat'sophel, post: 267314, member: 20259"]I am not wrong, because I have had many Spirit-led, anointed teachers, and am myself Spirit-led and anointed to be able to understand scripture.


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So thats the problem , spirit-led teachers.
For no man has taught me only Jesus Christ in me by his word.
What man says is nothing[/QUOTE]
Yes its a catholic thing many teachers for itching ears
Not holding to the truth.

 

[Listening]

This nonsense is only your pattern. Easily dismissed.

The writers of the New Testament believed in the rapture or "harpazo", the catching away of the saints. That's why it's in the bible. Clearly.


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No one has said the catching away is not in the bible
It is just that the bible specifically states in no uncertain terms that it will not happen until after the falling away and the man of sin ( who beyond any doubt is the whole papacy ) is revealed.
And it comes as no surprise that your jesuit false rapture teaching directly contradicts the word of God exactly at this one point.

 

[Listening]

That is so very obvious. You are in denial of what God has promised to provide for His people---Spirit-filled and Spirit-led teachers. God does not enable singletons. We are a Body of believers---many parts---interdependent, and not independent. Not availing yourself of what God supplies leads to crookedness, and of course, what I and others see: someone who is out of tune with the Body of Christ. There is such a thing as a spirit called an independent spirit, not a good one, by the way, which leads some people out of the churches and into the world, alone, spiritual islands, but they soon become weird, and unusable by God.

Sorry to say, but it is the truth.


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You should have read the part about false teachers and not listening to doctrines of seducing spirits
Like those from The Visions of mentally ill levitating none believers, held captive by jesuit rapists no doubt.

 

[amadeus2]

Amadeus:
I understand what you mean, but I've been on the various sides of some of the many issues too many times myself. The apostles who wrote what they wrote which became scripture are not here to testify for themselves. The Truth of the matter of God's Word is available but only through the quickening (bringing to Life) of the raw scripture within a man by the Holy Ghost.

This is what the Holy Ghost in us is supposed to be about, but reasoning minds of men will often have their own way causing confusion for too many people. When Jesus spoke he never spoke with confusion, but some people whose own ways were in their way were confused.

Listening:
The spirit of of truth leads into all truth Not confusion.
The testimony is the word of God

Yes, the testimony as the Spirit gives the utterance is the Word of God, but when a person quenches the Spirit, what he speaks is NOT the Word of God even if he is quoting scripture verbatim. Here for example the devil quoted scripture at Jesus and Jesus rebuked him.

"And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. [His words came from Psalm 91.]

Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." Matt 4:6-7

Scripture spoken without the Spirit quickening it is NOT the Word of God.

Listening:

Those who are God's will have the spirit, they will be reachable not by men but by his word
They will not refuse the truth, The rebels will refuse it though

The very plain truth that st paul teaches concerning the coming of the lord and our being gathered to him concerns one event on one day, and st paul makes clear that that day will not come until After the Falling away ( from the truth) and man of sin is revealed.

The plain Truth of the words in english is understood by even those who do not believe in the Lord.

No, not in English or in any other language is it understood by all. Every man whose heart is open can hear God calling him, but not every heart is open. Jesus was talking about that here if we can understand it:

"Who hath ears to hear, let him hear." Matt 13:9

The "ears to hear" are not given to everyone who has working physical ears:

"Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath." Matt 13:9-12

Listening:
A liar is exposed by his lie against What is fully known to be the truth not because of lies.
Those in christ know the truth and can see the lies that are against christ's truth, Christ truth which is the word of truth that is not hidden but has been made known to all men who are in the truth..

So was the apostle, Paul, not in the truth when he wrote these words?

"For now we see through a glass, darkly... I Cor 13:12

He was certainly including himself in the pronoun, "we".

The body of Christ is not in mystery Babylon ( confusion)
It is in the truth and knows ALL things .

The Body is to consist of parts which presently are like John the Baptist when he said this:

"He must increase, but I must decrease." John 3:30

Until the work in each part that will in the end be a part of the Body of Christ is finished (as it was in Jesus), there is more decreasing of the "old man" required and more increasing of the "new man" required.

There is too much of Babylon in even those who will be part of the finished Body of Christ where Jesus alone is the Head. James speaks of this here:

"But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.

Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be." James 3:8-10

We, until we have overcome completely as did Jesus are still double-minded, having almost continuous battles raging within us between the "new man" and the "old man". It would be sure "no contest" with the "new man" the clear winner except that we, yes and I, continue to quench the Holy Spirit of God causing delays and setbacks in God's work in ourselves. The natural children of Israel did the same thing:

"Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel." Psalm 78:41

God gave the us power to limit Him. If we would surrender that ability to Him all of the time, we would soon be overcomers like Jesus. Alas we need help even with surrendering so completely, but did not Jesus say that the help is available?

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:" Matt 7:7
How often do we need to ask for help? Not less, I believe, than the number of times we quench the Spirit of God in us.

 

[Listening]

That is so very obvious. You are in denial of what God has promised to provide for His people---Spirit-filled and Spirit-led teachers. God does not enable singletons. We are a Body of believers---many parts---interdependent, and not independent. Not availing yourself of what God supplies leads to crookedness, and of course, what I and others see: someone who is out of tune with the Body of Christ. There is such a thing as a spirit called an independent spirit, not a good one, by the way, which leads some people out of the churches and into the world, alone, spiritual islands, but they soon become weird, and unusable by God.

Sorry to say, but it is the truth.


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The catholic jesuit teachers and that levitating none believer
Are both not part of the body of christ.

 

[Ophel]

Your blind
And do not even know what antichrist is
There have been many world leaders on the world stage who are antichrist
The antichrist the man of sin can only be discerned by those in the truth
As you are not of the truth and are instead taught by the jesuits and mentally ill visions from occultists
You will and do not know what the antichrist is or what it disguises itself as.
But i do, so contrary to you saying i am not taught by christ but only think i am i know it is only through christ in me and his word and spirit that i know 100 % that the papacy itself is the antichrist.

I am not blind in any way.

God says there will be many antichrists, but there will be one Antichrist, that man of sin, yet to appear.

You need to cease with the unholy and demonic insults, for you do not know to whom you are speaking---and accusing.


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[Ophel]

No one has said the catching away is not in the bible
It is just that the bible specifically states in no uncertain terms that it will not happen until after the falling away and the man of sin ( who beyond any doubt is the whole papacy ) is revealed.
And it comes as no surprise that your jesuit false rapture teaching directly contradicts the word of God exactly at this one point.

Not true.

This is talking about the second coming, and not the rapture:

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
Now, dear brothers and sisters, let us clarify some things about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and how we will be gathered to meet him. 2 Don’t be so easily shaken or alarmed by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun. Don’t believe them, even if they claim to have had a spiritual vision, a revelation, or a letter supposedly from us. 3 Don’t be fooled by what they say. For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed—the one who brings destruction. 4 He will exalt himself and defy everything that people call god and every object of worship. He will even sit in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God.


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[Ophel]

You should have read the part about false teachers and not listening to doctrines of seducing spirits
Like those from The Visions of mentally ill levitating none believers, held captive by jesuit rapists no doubt.

You reveal very well what a lying spirit does. You need to cast that out.


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[Listening]

Lol get out of my head a vision of zeberdee from the magic roundabout As the levitating girl and two jesuits
Splashing her with water Saying
the antichrist shall come after the rapture!! not before not before!!!
Not before!,

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The jesuit zeberdee rapture doctrine

 

[Listening]

You reveal very well what a lying spirit does. You need to cast that out.


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Lies?

 

[Listening]

Not true.

This is talking about the second coming, and not the rapture:

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
Now, dear brothers and sisters, let us clarify some things about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and how we will be gathered to meet him. 2 Don’t be so easily shaken or alarmed by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun. Don’t believe them, even if they claim to have had a spiritual vision, a revelation, or a letter supposedly from us. 3 Don’t be fooled by what they say. For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed—the one who brings destruction. 4 He will exalt himself and defy everything that people call god and every object of worship. He will even sit in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God.


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Lol

Now, dear brothers and sisters, let us clarify some things about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and *how we will be gathered to meet him*

 

[norapture]

That is so very obvious. You are in denial of what God has promised to provide for His people---Spirit-filled and Spirit-led teachers. God does not enable singletons. We are a Body of believers---many parts---interdependent, and not independent. Not availing yourself of what God supplies leads to crookedness, and of course, what I and others see: someone who is out of tune with the Body of Christ. There is such a thing as a spirit called an independent spirit, not a good one, by the way, which leads some people out of the churches and into the world, alone, spiritual islands, but they soon become weird, and unusable by God.

Sorry to say, but it is the truth.


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OK show me the scripture that talks about independent spirit
Or is that something your spirit-led teachers told you.
Please post the scripture that talks about independent spirit.

Cause you need to read 1 John 2:27
When u don't find your scripture please quote 1John 2:27