What kind of religion Islam is?

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"Most Christians do not have an understanding of Islam other than Jesus is not their redeemer and what they have learned of the violent tactics frequently portrayed." - You've no evidence to support that.
Ishmael has plenty to do with it, He passed down his butt-hurt until Mohamed grew up and he was already on messed up kid.
I, like many, have read through and studied enough about them an their cult. I have a book written by people who know more than you, I, and likely anyone here on Christianity and Islam.
He didn't "misunderstand" anything. Anger was one of the first sins and Ishmael embraced it completely. In fact, the whole "firstborn gets everything and is in charge" was undone so many times in human history. In fact, the Lastborn is shown to be made the leader and inherited a position.
Islam is never peaceful. It and them use deceiving to "appear peaceful" and in fact such a statement IS in their book.
"Did you know Abraham had eight sons? Most think he only had two." - Again with the assumptions. Second, a quick glance shows those six didn't join Islam so we can easily narrow down the problem.
Islam and Muslims. Very few have managed to leave it and survive. One woman in a video carries a handgun b/c she is a target by them and that video was made a couple of years ago.

Can you show that Islam began with Ishmael?

 

[MedicBravo]

Can you show that Islam began with Ishmael?

Islam, according to facts, was "established" by Muhammad, "a member of the Arabic Quraish tribe from the West-Central Mecca.
He "claimed" (no evidence) he was given Revelation from the archangel Gabriel in promoting monotheism (one God). God is NEVER referred to as "Allah".
Given Cain was so A N G R Y then the butthurt from Ishmael being passed over since he was conceived out of wedlock (*******) and that anger and hatred (this is from inference among other things) permeated and stained his lineage.
Muhammad was a known pedo, with anger issues, depression, a thief, murder, liar, etc. To think anything come from that man was "good" is by definition absurd.
God does not deal in lies and deceit. Satan does.
There's no mention of where it started but pride is the first sin and likely Mohammad lied and told people he created it like that con-man Joseph Smith (Mormons).
If Ishmael truly accepted God then he would've dealt with that anger and butt-hurt differently but here we are.

 

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Cain was the first recorded jealous human in Scripture. Ishmael got off to a bad start being the product of an impatient master (Sarah) giving her slave (Hagar) to Abraham to bear sons she could not. Sarah eventually bore Isaac and Ishmael made the mistake of teasing him which Sarah had zero tolerance for. Abraham at the behest of Sarah, evicted Hagar and Ishmael into the desert. Abraham was not happy, but God promised him that Ishmael would be the father of a great nation. Historically, that nation has been the Arabs. A love-hate relationship has existed between the brother's blood lines ever since taking sibling rivalry to a whole new level. Muhammad claimed to be a direct descendant of Ishmael, but that has not been decisively proven.

Regardless, Muhammad felt the need to link his newfound religion to both Judaism and Christianity. Thus, his major prophets were borrowed. I've compared the few common stories of the Bible and Quran and they don't match up very well. If Gabriel was his source, he seemed to suffer from memory loss, particularly with the announcement of Jesus to Mary in which he was personally involved. It's clear that Muhammad rejected any notion of Jesus being divine, and it seems he had a flawed understanding of the Trinity which in his mind included Mary. The Quran is compiled with a patchwork methodology using neither historical nor revelation dates as a guideline. Muhammad was known to experience periods of staring blankly ahead from which his revelations were derived. I think Muhammad drew from other sources bedsides his dreams with some "revelations" more about getting his way. Being the Prophet, who could argue? But, some did disagree with him and Muhammad could be hateful and vindictive. Muslims claim Abraham built an altar at the site of the Kaaba, but historians claim his travels were further north. The Quran only adds confusion and we both know who the author of confusion is.

Regarding Joseph Smith, he developed a flawed misunderstanding of both the Aaronic and Melchizedek priest hoods. The former ended when the Old Covenant was replaced by the New Covenant through Jesus who in turn became our Melchizedek high priest. The book of gold sheets was returned leaving no trace for verification. He and his brother Hyram ended their lives at the hands of a mob who shot and killed both brothers. Joseph Smith did not die in complete martyrdom as he returned fire with a pepper pot pistol through the doorway killing two after his brother was shot. One could argue self-defence, but he had clearly broken the Law in summoning the militia to destroy a newspaper office.

 

[MedicBravo]

Cain was the first recorded jealous human in Scripture. Ishmael got off to a bad start being the product of an impatient master (Sarah) giving her slave (Hagar) to Abraham to bear sons she could not. Sarah eventually bore Isaac and Ishmael made the mistake of teasing him which Sarah had zero tolerance for. Abraham at the behest of Sarah, evicted Hagar and Ishmael into the desert. Abraham was not happy, but God promised him that Ishmael would be the father of a great nation. Historically, that nation has been the Arabs. A love-hate relationship has existed between the brother's blood lines ever since taking sibling rivalry to a whole new level. Muhammad claimed to be a direct descendant of Ishmael, but that has not been decisively proven.

Regardless, Muhammad felt the need to link his newfound religion to both Judaism and Christianity. Thus, his major prophets were borrowed. I've compared the few common stories of the Bible and Quran and they don't match up very well. If Gabriel was his source, he seemed to suffer from memory loss, particularly with the announcement of Jesus to Mary in which he was personally involved. It's clear that Muhammad rejected any notion of Jesus being divine, and it seems he had a flawed understanding of the Trinity which in his mind included Mary. The Quran is compiled with a patchwork methodology using neither historical nor revelation dates as a guideline. Muhammad was known to experience periods of staring blankly ahead from which his revelations were derived. I think Muhammad drew from other sources bedsides his dreams with some "revelations" more about getting his way. Being the Prophet, who could argue? But, some did disagree with him and Muhammad could be hateful and vindictive. Muslims claim Abraham built an altar at the site of the Kaaba, but historians claim his travels were further north. The Quran only adds confusion and we both know who the author of confusion is.

Regarding Joseph Smith, he developed a flawed misunderstanding of both the Aaronic and Melchizedek priest hoods. The former ended when the Old Covenant was replaced by the New Covenant through Jesus who in turn became our Melchizedek high priest. The book of gold sheets was returned leaving no trace for verification. He and his brother Hyram ended their lives at the hands of a mob who shot and killed both brothers. Joseph Smith did not die in complete martyrdom as he returned fire with a pepper pot pistol through the doorway killing two after his brother was shot. One could argue self-defence, but he had clearly broken the Law in summoning the militia to destroy a newspaper office.

"If Gabriel was his source, he seemed to suffer from memory loss, particularly with the announcement of Jesus to Mary in which he was personally involved." - Evil can not create it can only ruin and destroy. That's what they have done.
The "Thousand Yard Stare" that countless military veterans around the world have experienced in all of history doesn't equate to "divine revelation". Knowing what Muhmmad's "problems" were he was one SICK person.
Islam has far less evidence and credibility than Christianity. Many of the authors of and who wrote the bible never met yet it's accuracy and evidence fare exceed that of Islam or any other "religion".
I'm glad for the few who managed to leave Islam and weren't killed for it and there are others.
As Satan is the master manipulator then it seems Ishmael and all of his descendants have learned it.
The very idea of the everything mormon sets off my instincts and defies all logic, common sense, ethics, and morals. One witness to something with ZERO evidence to back it is a lie.

 

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Hi Medic. A story just popped into my head which you may chuckle at. During the course of one conversation, one of the Muslims mentioned that they pray like Jesus did and the example given is when he is praying in a prostrate position just prior to his arrest. While Allah is called 99 names, Father, is not one of them. So I said, "Oh you mean 'Our Father which is in heaven'?". His response was an emphatic "No". I guess that's the difference between being a child and a slave. Have a great day.

 

[MedicBravo]

Hi Medic. A story just popped into my head which you may chuckle at. During the course of one conversation, one of the Muslims mentioned that they pray like Jesus did and the example given is when he is praying in a prostrate position just prior to his arrest. While Allah is called 99 names, Father, is not one of them. So I said, "Oh you mean 'Our Father which is in heaven'?". His response was an emphatic "No". I guess that's the difference between being a child and a slave. Have a great day.

I don't laugh at that. Former me might have but Now Me has this WWJD mentality.
As evil as they are, I still pray for many who are not as bad and the ones I did interact with while deployed. Pray for those who did escape and weren't killed (yet).
As much as my flawed, meat brain want instant justice on that cult, that is the way of a mortal mind. I don't understand Him but I know His ways are The ways. Optimally, I would like to see more Muslims turn from Islam and avoid being killed for it.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

2) Jesus is on the same level of respect and reverence as Muhammad.

TRUE!! And that's the MAIN PROBLEM with the ISLAMIC Blasphemy. Jesus was NEVER on the same level as Mohammed. Jesus is infinitely MORE significant as the MESSIAH, who's physical sacrifice constitutes a SIN OFFERING of the highest level. ISLAMIC Blasphemy claime that Jesus DID NOT die on the cross, which makes ISLAM a totally WORTHLESS belief system that can only condemn it follers/victims to eternal HELL/

 

[Waggles]

Two Babylons Part II - From Babel to Babylon
by Carol Brooks [abridged]

Islam
Christian writers have sometimes seen a connection between [Moon Goddess] Sin and the Muslim god Allah.
The pre-Islamic Arabs in Mecca worshipped the moon and the sun, with the former being the chief deity. This makes it entirely possible, probable even, that they named this deity ilah, which is the generic word for god in Arabic,
and that Islam adopted Nanna's crescent as its symbol.

Paying attention to the fact that the moon played a key role in Mesopotamian religious culture, so much so that the people of Mesopotamia learned to keep their calendars based on the lunar month.
And considering that ancient Mecca that lay just over 1000 miles southwest of ancient Babylon and was "an oasis on the old caravan trade route that linked the Mediterranean world with South Arabia, East Africa, and South Asia"
it would hardly be surprising if the pre-Islamic worship of the sun and moon was derived from the religions of ancient Babylon.

And, considering that Muhammad elevated the moon god Ilah to the chief and only god... Al-Ilah (The God) or Allah, the Supreme Being to end division among his people in Mecca, it seems hard to believe that it is merely coincidence
that, to this day, the crescent moon is a symbol of Islam and Muslims use a lunar calendar.
And how is all this relevant to our world?
If, as seems very likely, Islam's crescent symbol originated with the moon god "Sin" then we can conclude that the religions of ancient Babylon have very effectively spread all over this planet, and now claims millions of followers.

Remember that "Sin" was also called "Nanna" in Sumerian. His daughter was Inanna, better known today as Ishtar, who came to play a major role among the Canaanites as Astarte, while the Israelites knew her as Ashtoreth.
Worship of the goddess has seen an unprecedented rise in popularity in recent years, particularly with the feminist movement.

"Babylon" is not a nation, but a spiritual kingdom, that reached back to Shinar and the tower of Babel, then physically and/or spiritually persisted in the physical kingdom of Babylon, and other nations as diverse as Egypt, Assyria,
Greece, and Rome, all of whom wreaked havoc on Israel.
This kingdom, the antitheses of Jerusalem, is alive and well, and still endeavors to carry away captives and win the battle.
And, until finally defeated, it will extend its tentacles into the future when spiritual apostasy and pure unmitigated evil will peak under the regime of the beast.

Rev 17:5 And on her forehead was written a name of mystery: “Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth's abominations.”

 

[Bob Carabbio]

1) Jesus is mentioned more times in the Quran than Muhammad is.
2) Jesus is on the same level of respect and reverence as Muhammad.
3) Our God is the same as the Judeo-Christian God. "Allah" is literally arabic for "God".
4) The Quran has never, ever supported the killing of non-combatants (women, children, elderly, unarmed men)

All TOTALLY MEANINGLESS!!

The Satanic Quran claims that JESUS NEVER DIED ON THE CROSS. Consequently ISLAM is TOTALLY UNABLE to deliver its victims from HELL, since there's no Savior, and according to the idiot Mohammed, not even a NEED for one.
ISLAM is a totally WORTHLESS religio/governmental farce that can only damn it's followers.

 

[Waggles]

ISLAM is a totally WORTHLESS religio/governmental farce that can only damn it's followers.

And I am pretty sure that Islam is the false prophet referred to in Revelation - Mohammed is the prophet of God is the great claim of Islam.

 

[Hekuran]

All TOTALLY MEANINGLESS!!

The Satanic Quran claims that JESUS NEVER DIED ON THE CROSS. Consequently ISLAM is TOTALLY UNABLE to deliver its victims from HELL, since there's no Savior, and according to the idiot Mohammed, not even a NEED for one.
ISLAM is a totally WORTHLESS religio/governmental farce that can only damn it's followers.

Don't use insulting language when talking of other people's sincere beliefs. It's unloving and unproductive.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Don't use insulting language when talking of other people's sincere beliefs. It's unloving and unproductive.

But in this case totally TRUE. No savior = no salvation, and the victims of ISLAM are doomed. no other aspect of their "religion" is of any importance.

 

[Hekuran]

But in this case totally TRUE. No savior = no salvation, and the victims of ISLAM are doomed. no other aspect of their "religion" is of any importance.

Absolutely not true. Mohammed was certainly not an idiot. Muslims believe that God's mercy is the source of their salvation.

We may disagree with what he taught, but there's no justification for needless insulting language.

Any Muslim coming onto the forum is likely to seek out threads that mention isIslam. They'll see your post and conclude that Christians are ignorant about the Muslim faith and that Christians are offensively disrespectful.

Its not a great advertisment for Jesus, full of love, grace and truth.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings @Hekuran
and peace with and from our Father [is my prayer for you]

Muslims believe that God's mercy is the source of their salvation.

in all honesty and fairness, the same must also be true for all 'faiths' and 'religions' and 'beliefs'.

I imagine, correct me if i am wrong, please, that those who offered children and others to the fires of Baal and/or any other we read about [not to mention the many other belief-ways of peoples around the world throughout history], would have the same idea of 'mercy, sought after and some sort of 'kindness' to be granted as a 'deal' with whoever/whatever they might have offered up unto?

Please also note that the 'salvation' and all it's perks that the muslim is to look to, and the manner in which they might obtain such a benefit [depending on the gender, of course] is very far removed from the Lord GOD of Israel and the promise He gave unto all, and has bestowed upon us through His Son.

A non aligning, never possible to be reconciled, difference. I think this is the point being made that you replied to [but i may be wrong?]

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I fully agree that INSULT is NOT needed nor complimentary to our Lord and the Christian faith. I am not sure that INSULT was intended or directed but may have overlooked it?
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As with many false teaching, the followers of such can be and generally are, very, very nice people and a pleasure to be granted their hospitality and kindnesses. That however only makes it the much sadder, as we know they are still lost and in need of the Redeemer, yet are not willing to hear any different from what they believe.

Those who care for their souls and eternal condition, need to prayerfully seek the LORD for His leading that they might effectively minister the Gospel, that those might believe and be saved, to the glory of God the Father, for ever, amen


Bless you Brother ....><>

 

[Hekuran]

Hi Brother Bear. I was simply responding to the "without a saviour, there's no salvation" claim. Muslims believe that God is their saviour.

The insulting language I was referring to was Bob Carabbio saying Mohammed was an idiot.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Absolutely not true. Mohammed was certainly not an idiot. Muslims believe that God's mercy is the source of their salvation.

Which it is, of course, but then the ISLAMIC fools ELIMINATE COMPLETELY the means by which God manifests His mercy - i.e. JESUS AND HIS PROPITIATORY DEATH ON THE CROSS!!!! Without that, they've got NOTHING!!!!

 

[B-A-C]

Muslims believe that God is their saviour.

Semantics become problematic.
They do not believe Jesus is their savior. Is Jesus God?

 

[Hekuran]

It's not a semantics problem.

Which it is, of course, but then the ISLAMIC fools ELIMINATE COMPLETELY the means by which God manifests His mercy - i.e. JESUS AND HIS PROPITIATORY DEATH ON THE CROSS!!!! Without that, they've got NOTHING!!!!

There you go again. You undermine any attempt at constructive conversation by writing off Muslims as fools. If you assume you are conversing with a fool, you have little to no chance of persuading them to an alternative point of view.

Better to show some respect, learn to listen carefully and be prepared to respond to the Holy Spirit's prompting to speak the word of truth.

 

[Br. Bear]

@Bob Carabbio

Greetings,

Which it is, of course, but then the ISLAMIC fools ELIMINATE COMPLETELY the means by which God manifests His mercy - i.e. JESUS AND HIS PROPITIATORY DEATH ON THE CROSS!!!! Without that, they've got NOTHING!!!!

I think, from memory, there is something in our Bible that warns about calling others a fool?

Many are 'fooled' and in some cultural dialects in different parts of the world, referring to someone as a fool does not have to be an insult but an observation of the actions another has chosen.

I have been a fool far too many times and if i were to be referred to as one, i could not argue the point.

Many, to most, Muslims are born into a religious family and are indoctrinated from birth. To call them fools in a way which is insulting, is hardly acceptable from any decent person, let alone a professing Christian, so i do want to think you were not insulting those victims of indoctrination.
For some reason most here [but not all] were not born into that religion [islam]

Another point to consider [for you and everybody], if you will, is that as with a lot of professing Christians [including those born into a Christian family and culture] a lot of muslims are not very well 'versed' with the teaching of that religion/faith/belief system.
They might know some key points and even some verses of their book, but a lot of them especially in many poorer countries, can not even read all that well. Add to that that the koran is a book in its own language/dialect that one must 'learn'. It is not as straightforward as it might seem.

Should we remain ignorant and if we are, does that qualify us to judge correctly those who, like us, need the grace of God found and given in and through His Son, Jesus the Christ? [i ask all]

Like most other religions on earth, the muslim 'teachings' are from extra koranic books i.e. other sources than the main and original book or source of whatever religion that uses any such thing [as most do]

Again, we must remember and consider two other factors.

1. Fear and
2. inability to read

Another factor is the gender bias and discrimination that basically dis-allows women folk to read and or attend many teaching events. Even questioning anything can be seen as insolence. That all leads to a submissive ignorance which must be pitied and one ought show great compassion....especially if we have tasted and seen the kindness, compassion; mercy and grace of God towards us while we were yet sinners, deserving banishment and a perishing fate.


Bless you ....><>


Jesus is the Lord

 

[Br. Bear]

be prepared to respond to the Holy Spirit's prompting to speak the word of truth.

yes, always

the living word, as we all need the Life that we otherwise do not have, nor can have without faith in the only begotten Son of the Father, Jesus Christ.

amen