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The following comes from an appeal case judgment in Canada involving Hugh Owens(appelant) vs. Jeff Dodds, Jason Roy, Gens Hellquist (complaintants) December 11, 2002. Hugh Owens placed an ad for anti-homosexual bumper stickers in the Saskatoon Star-Phoenix.


7] The bumper sticker in the advertisement displayed references to four Bible passages: Romans 1, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13 and 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, on the left side of the sticker. An equal sign (=) was situated in the middle of the sticker, with a symbol on the right side of the sticker. The symbol on the right side was comprised of two males holding hands with the universal symbol of a red circle with a diagonal bar superimposed over top. The Board noted, citing the Court of Appeal in Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission v. Bell (1994), 120 Sask. R. 122, that the red slash and circle is "the universal symbol for forbidden, not allowed or not wanted." The Bible passages read as follows:

Having reviewed all of the evidence, the Board accepts that the universal symbol for forbidden, not allowed or not wanted, consisting of a circle with a slash through it, may itself not communicate hatred. However, when combined with the passages from the Bible, the Board finds that the advertisement would expose or tend to expose homosexuals to hatred or ridicule, or may otherwise affront their dignity on the basis of their sexual orientation. It is a combination of both the symbol and the biblical references which have lead to this conclusion.

While this judjment isn't calling the biblical references in of themselfs hatred, in combination with the universal symbol red slash and circle it is. The verses are not hate speech but using them to come to the conclusion that homosexuality is wrong as defined by the Bible is? I can also see how it would not be a far stretch for the government of Canada to eventually conclude that Bible verses that speak against homosexuality are hate speech in of themselfs.

There are other cases such as these that have happened in Canada and i'm not sure if anyone has actually been jailed for Christian hate speech yet but this is what I was able to find in a quick net search. This may be an indication of what is to come in the U.S.
 
It's not marriage. But I've never understood why that was such a bad thing anyway. The Bible talks about not having sex outside of marriage. Some people were raised Christian but are gay. So naturally, some of these people would want to be able to get married so as not to break this rule.

I have heard this argument before claiming gays that get married aren't really committing any sin. But I am a Bible believing Christian and no were does it mention homosexual marriage. Marriage is clearly defined and ordained by God as being between a man or woman. This is a consistent theme throughout the Bible.

"Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and clings to his wife, and they become one flesh." Genesis 2.25

For those of us who are followers of Jesus Christ and believe wholeheartedly in the Word of God having our government allow same sex marriage is a bad thing.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill" Matthew 5.17
 
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While this judjment isn't calling the biblical references in of themselfs hatred, in combination with the universal symbol red slash and circle it is. The verses are not hate speech but using them to come to the conclusion that homosexuality is wrong as defined by the Bible is? I can also see how it would not be a far stretch for the government of Canada to eventually conclude that Bible verses that speak against homosexuality are hate speech in of themselfs.

There are other cases such as these that have happened in Canada and i'm not sure if anyone has actually been jailed for Christian hate speech yet but this is what I was able to find in a quick net search. This may be an indication of what is to come in the U.S.

I read this case. The guy was asked to pay a fine, and it was eventually overturned. No jail time. No prison.


I have heard this argument before claiming gays that get married aren't really committing any sin. But I am a Bible believing Christian and no were does it mention homosexual marriage. Marriage is clearly defined and ordained by God as being between a man or woman. This is a consistent theme throughout the Bible.

"Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and clings to his wife, and they become one flesh." Genesis 2.25

For those of us who are followers of Jesus Christ and believe wholeheartedly in the Word of God having our government allow same sex marriage is a bad thing.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill" Matthew 5.17

Plenty of people get married in the courthouse, without any religious ceremony whatsoever. That's all that gay people are asking to do. They aren't asking your specific church to view their marriage as valid; they're asking the state and the government to. The United States government is not a theocracy. It is home to many people of varied religious traditions. The only way to ensure that people truly have freedom of religion is to avoid endorsing any one particular religion.
 
Amazing how the truth hurts! Excuses, excuses. Attempting to make the means justify the end to no result.
 
I wonder why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah!

Maybe we need to think about that, and get our values back in line with Gods word.

God died for all, and that is why he hates sin!

The message about Homosexuality is a message of love, not hate.
Warning to turn away from it, and to Jesus Christ, for except they repent they shall all likewise perish.

Hiding in a church building, calling themselves Christian will not do it.

White washing sin, is not the answer......being born again, repenting of sin, is the only way.

Jesus, the way the truth and the life.

His word is steadfast and true. It is a love message, not a hate crime.
 
I am not gay. I do not support "gay rights". However, I'm troubled by the combative, in-your-face attitude presented by the bumper stickers in the Saskatchewan case. Combative attitudes toward gays and gay rights supporters do nothing to spread the Gospel. They only cause those people to dig their heels in more deeply.

Is it our mission to engage these people in bitter combat, or is it to show them Christ's love in practical ways? Most of them already see us as enemies. Why give them more ammo to use against us?

"Let your light shine before men that they may see your good deeds (Christ's love) and praise your Father in heaven." (Mt 5:16 NIV)

SLE
 
I am not gay. I do not support "gay rights". However, I'm troubled by the combative, in-your-face attitude presented by the bumper stickers in the Saskatchewan case. Combative attitudes toward gays and gay rights supporters do nothing to spread the Gospel. They only cause those people to dig their heels in more deeply.

Is it our mission to engage these people in bitter combat, or is it to show them Christ's love in practical ways? Most of them already see us as enemies. Why give them more ammo to use against us?

"Let your light shine before men that they may see your good deeds (Christ's love) and praise your Father in heaven." (Mt 5:16 NIV)

SLE

I do agree with you there.

People in the name of Christ, saying God hates you, is a blatant lie.
He hates the sin that will destroy them, but not the individual.

In Gods word, I never see him carrying signs ,or fighting the establishment of his day, he was speaking truth, in love, and being a servant of all, making a way of escape by laying down his life for a world that would in time totally reject him.
Amazing Love, how can that be, that he would live, to die for me.
 
Plenty of people get married in the courthouse, without any religious ceremony whatsoever. That's all that gay people are asking to do. They aren't asking your specific church to view their marriage as valid; they're asking the state and the government to. The United States government is not a theocracy. It is home to many people of varied religious traditions. The only way to ensure that people truly have freedom of religion is to avoid endorsing any one particular religion.


Hi there,

Are you for gay marriages?

Do you agree that Jesus Christ is the ONLY way?
 
Hate crimes legislation is not about killing anyone. It would however make it a crime punishable by prison to witness to one of these lost souls.

That's just false. It is also silly. I don't know where you get this idea, and perhaps your school neglected civics. Too many schools neglect civic awareness today. Anyhow, we have a Constitution. That Constitution has a sort of appendix of 'Amendments.' You might want to examine the first of those 'Amendments' and consider why what you claim could never happen.
 
The following comes from an appeal case judgment in Canada involving Hugh Owens(appelant) vs. Jeff Dodds, Jason Roy, Gens Hellquist (complaintants) December 11, 2002. Hugh Owens placed an ad for anti-homosexual bumper stickers in the Saskatoon Star-Phoenix.

Little known fact: Canada is not the United States.
 
That is a very weak, and poor argument. :embarasse

Homosexuality is still an abomination to the Lord, and in his love for them warns them still....repent and be saved

eating shell fish was under the old covenant, not the new, shown in kind to the sheet being let down and God saying eat!

The spiritual meaning still clear, that salvation was for all, Jew, and Gentile alike.
Straight, and homosexual alike also, repentance and turn to Christ.
 
This is all interesting, does not edify me one bit but interesting.

I'm trying to figure out why Christians act surprise when a sinful world wants to commit sin. God's laws and mans laws will always conflict the other.

We get so scared the minute we think our freedom is being taken away, American Christians are spoil. People in China have to hide to read their bible, some die on their way to church and we get frantic trying to protect man made laws. Wanting to protect Our rights in a world we don't belong to.

Homosexuality is not new, did not arrive yesterday. I personally think they took a long time to make this whole marriage thing legal. But I guess the reason it couldn't take place years ago was because the church was real, they were holy, they stood for God, their homes stood for God, parents made their kids go to church. Now the church is so lukewarm we have gay bishops, priest, Rabbis and gay christian communities. So yeah I guess the time is right now.

So when I hear about gay marriage becoming legal, I say the Lord is coming soon and the harvest is ready. What can I do ?

The Obama administration has wasted no time in declaring war on evangelical Christians.

That to me, is a statement used to stir up emotionally feelings oppose to rational thinking. It also shows the sad state the church is in, because they want the world to be their best friend so the first sign of trouble..is war.

That's not war...when I turn on the news and hear about churches being burnt to the ground, or pastors getting killed, or Christians being killed...then I'll say its war. I get upset when people try to use words to upset people..war on the church, that gets everyone fired up. We want to protest.

Sadly we don't get fired up enough to channel all those feelings in reaching the lost.

We want rights, yet deny the rights to others.
If God gave us free will, he also gave them free will.

Every man, woman and child will face God, and will have to give an account to everything they did on this earth.

If they want to get married, ok...the message I get is that these people need deliverance and the church need to help them...LAWS don't save people

I repeat, LAWS don't save people.
If they ban abortion and homosexuality...it would not make this country Holy.

Instead, we'll end up with more STD's because we'll have men sleeping with men secretly and going home to their wives.

Increase in deaths among women who obtain illegal abortions.

Like I said Laws don't save people, so we can protest them all we want throw laws all over the place and it would not stop people from committing sin. They will just do it in the dark.


THE BLOOD OF JESUS.
is the only thing that can save.

So this topic does not edify the church, nor does it draw to the conclusion that We need to be Holy and bring deliverance to those in sin.

In other words whats the point, besides playing tennis hitting each others opinions over the fence. Everything we do and say must be to the glory of God, must deal with us being holy and winning souls. This world has a lot more worse to be revealed.

There is no war on the church, but this is an expose on how unholy and lukewarm the church is, that we have hurting people turning to sin to feel better. And instead of helping them we just argue with the Government.

LAWS don't save people..only the Jesus Christ.


2 Timothy 3: 1-9
Godlessness in the Last Days
1But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.
6They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. 8Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth—men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.
 
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I wonder why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah!

That's a good question. What does the Bible say?

Genesis 19:4-8: "But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: and they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, and said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof."

It seems like this is talking about rape, rather than gay people in committed relationships. It also seems pretty bad to me to offer your two virgin daughters to a city of rapists.

Ezekiel 16:49: "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy."

That doesn't say anything about homosexuality. And even the next verse, Ezekiel 16:50, which mentions their abominations, doesn't specify which abominations.

Maybe we need to think about that, and get our values back in line with Gods word.

God died for all, and that is why he hates sin!

The message about Homosexuality is a message of love, not hate.
Warning to turn away from it, and to Jesus Christ, for except they repent they shall all likewise perish.

Hiding in a church building, calling themselves Christian will not do it.

White washing sin, is not the answer......being born again, repenting of sin, is the only way.

Jesus, the way the truth and the life.

His word is steadfast and true. It is a love message, not a hate crime.

Can anyone really claim to know what anyone else's true relationship with God is? Isn't that supposed to be between yourself and God? There are many people who are both gay and consider themselves Christian, and I believe that's between them and God. Meanwhile, even if a gay couple has been committed, monogamous, and faithful for as long or longer than their heterosexual counterparts have been married, they don't have the universal legal right to visit their loved one in the hospital. You can still be fired for being gay in many places, and in some parts of the world you can still be killed for it. In some parts of the United States.

Your specific denomination may preach that it is a sin. Other denominations may preach differently. You can certainly disagree with their teachings, and you have the freedom to voice your dissent. The Amendment that Laudite alluded to earlier, Amendment I of the United States Constitution, states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

That means that you are free to believe in your religion, and free to speak about your religion, but also that people of other religions have those same freedoms.

That is a very weak, and poor argument. :embarasse

Homosexuality is still an abomination to the Lord, and in his love for them warns them still....repent and be saved

eating shell fish was under the old covenant, not the new, shown in kind to the sheet being let down and God saying eat!

The spiritual meaning still clear, that salvation was for all, Jew, and Gentile alike.
Straight, and homosexual alike also, repentance and turn to Christ.

Leviticus 11:10-12: "And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination. Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you."

It very clearly states in Leviticus that shellfish are an abomination.

So if Leviticus is part of the "old covenant", why is homosexuality still considered to be an abomination, but shellfish no longer is?

You're probably thinking about Acts 10. Acts 10:11-15 speaks of Peter's vision, used by many to say that these animals are now okay to eat. But the vision also served as symbolism for Peter's upcoming visit with Cornelius, a gentile Roman centurion. In Acts 10:28, Peter specifically says, "Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean."

That seems pretty clear to me. Don't call any man common or unclean. Even if he's a gentile. Or a Roman. Or a centurion. Or, perhaps even, gay.
 
It seems like this is talking about rape, rather than gay people
It seems that no matter what any one offers as proof you are going to attempt to refute it, which is typical of one who knows not the truth and walks in the way of the world. May God's peace overtake your heart and mind before it is too late.
 
That doesn't say anything about homosexuality. And even the next verse, Ezekiel 16:50, which mentions their abominations, doesn't specify which abominations.

I'm not sure where you get your information from,. but the word of God definitely shows they were homosexual, they were seeking after other men.... to rape .
You don't need to have the word we use today to know that.....

When the Bible speaks of women with women ,and men with men, what do you call it?
God calls it an abomination, and they were so perverse in it he destroyed them all.And yes you can look at their fruit, and know their heart.
WE are to judge righteously, and in recognition, but not in condemnation.
That is for God to judge, and he did,
 
If they ban abortion and homosexuality...it would not make this country Holy.

Well said, Rizen1. If we are going to draw people to Jesus, its not going to be through politics. It will be through going out into our communities and showing them Christ's love (see Mt 25:34-40 NIV).

SLE
 
hk8312, you have to understand that what is abomination to Lord almighty, does not change, forever. Heb 13:8

(Jud 1:7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
 
All anyone has to do is open their eyes to see. Take a good look at John 9:1-41!


All a Christian needs pay attention to is God's Word alone, all of the worldly interpretataions do not amount to anything but adding to or taking away from His Word so that it benefits a group of individuals, but God's Word never changes no matter how it is interpretated by man!

Your statement is confusing , you say that all a christian needs to pay attention to is God's Word and I assume that in the context of your statement you are referring to the scriptures. But then you make a point that the problem is misinterpretation of the scriptures. So what keeps a christian from misinterpreting the scriptures?
 
Interpation is a worldly issue and not of God. Acceptance of God's Word (Holy Scripture ) as God's Word (as it is) is what I am referring to. And yes Christians most assuredly misinterpret scripture since we are still human, and like others we are not satisfied with what it is telling us, so we change it to meet our own personal needs and desires.

That is why so many Christians can not get along, because each interpretation is made to benefit each individual. We are too stubborn to simply accept God at His Word and move on. We insist on making it fit our desires.
 
But we, as Christians, should use the whole word of God as the justification, not just one book in the Old Testament. We should use the New Testament to clarify what the Law states. If you claim to follow the Bible, you should at least know what it says:

'But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's people.' Ephesians 5:3

And in regards to shellfish:

'As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean.' Romans 14:14
 
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