White House promoting 'anti-Christian'..

[Gracealone]

Little known fact: Canada is not the United States.

Wherever Satan can get a foot hold effects us all.

Our Pastor has had threats, or close to it, from Canada.
They do not want our Church services broadcast over the borders.

Why?
Because he teaches the truth about Homosexuality, and God view of it, which to them is a hate crime.
His reply is it is not a hate crime but a love message.
God loves you, turn from your evil way....
They don't want to hear it, and one day it may change our laws here. If so, he may end up in jail, or prison, for he will not deny Gods word.

 

[jiggyfly]

All anyone has to do is open their eyes to see. Take a good look at John 9:1-41!


All a Christian needs pay attention to is God's Word alone, all of the worldly interpretataions do not amount to anything but adding to or taking away from His Word so that it benefits a group of individuals, but God's Word never changes no matter how it is interpretated by man!

Let me ask you again, what keeps a christian from misinterpreting scripture???

 

[Laudite]

Wherever Satan can get a foot hold effects us all.

Our Pastor has had threats, or close to it, from Canada.
They do not want our Church services broadcast over the borders.

Why?
Because he teaches the truth about Homosexuality, and God view of it, which to them is a hate crime.
His reply is it is not a hate crime but a love message.
God loves you, turn from your evil way....
They don't want to hear it, and one day it may change our laws here. If so, he may end up in jail, or prison, for he will not deny Gods word.

My point is that no, one day it will not change our laws here because we have a Constitution that protects us. As to Canada, well, they have a right to regulate their airwaves. But conflating Canadian law that has no effect on an American Whitehouse's policies on regulating speech with hate crimes laws in the united states that make it criminal to murder or assault someone for being gay (or black, or female) seems only to benefit those who want to assault and murder the gay (or black, or female)

 

[JWayne]

My point is that no, one day it will not change our laws here because we have a Constitution that protects us. As to Canada, well, they have a right to regulate their airwaves. But conflating Canadian law that has no effect on an American Whitehouse's policies on regulating speech with hate crimes laws in the united states that make it criminal to murder or assault someone for being gay (or black, or female) seems only to benefit those who want to assault and murder the gay (or black, or female)

My friend, no one here is making this out to be a hate crime. We are merely guiding others with God's written word as it is, without it being changed to satistfy one's own personal desires.

i know many homosexuals and I have great love for them, but I will still tell them that they are wrong and if they do not make the change, and turn to God, they will pay heatedly.

Please tell us how caring enough to help another is a hate crime?

 

[JWayne]

All a Christian needs pay attention to is God's Word alone, all of the worldly interpretataions do not amount to anything but adding to or taking away from His Word so that it benefits a group of individuals, but God's Word never changes no matter how it is interpretated by man!

Let me ask you again, what keeps a christian from misinterpreting scripture???

I never said it did, I am saying take God's word as it (in this case)for it needs not interpretation.

 

[Boanerges]

To preach the gospel to a gay person and lead them to repentance is to love them. To do less is not to love them. Some would try to confuse that with violent people who do not know Christ abusing these lost souls , that is deception.

 

[jiggyfly]

I never said it did, I am saying take God's word as it (in this case)for it needs not interpretation.

Anything outside of revelation from HolySpirit concerning any scripture is going to be a carnal misunderstanding and misinterpretation.

 

[finorg]

I believe it is good to be informed. But the bible says to pray for our leaders and all that are in authority over us. 1 Timothy 2:1. So during these next four years, we need to be in prayer for our president, our leaders, our country, our state, our economy, our cities.

 

[Laudite]

My friend, no one here is making this out to be a hate crime. We are merely guiding others with God's written word as it is, without it being changed to satistfy one's own personal desires.

i know many homosexuals and I have great love for them, but I will still tell them that they are wrong and if they do not make the change, and turn to God, they will pay heatedly.

Please tell us how caring enough to help another is a hate crime?

My point is that it is not. But by claiming that the White House's support of hate crime legislation is really about speech against homosexuality you confuse the issue. The white house supports tougher penalites for killing someone because they are gay. By confusing the issue and drawing up misinformed opposition, the only people you help are those who want to kill gay people.

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I never said it did, I am saying take God's word as it (in this case)for it needs not interpretation.

How can meaning exist without interpretation?

 

[hk8312]

My point is that it is not. But by claiming that the White House's support of hate crime legislation is really about speech against homosexuality you confuse the issue. The white house supports tougher penalites for killing someone because they are gay. By confusing the issue and drawing up misinformed opposition, the only people you help are those who want to kill gay people.

Exactly. "Thou shalt not kill." One can comfortably extend this reasoning to conclude that we should support measures which discourage killing.

 

[stephen]

...policies?

A leading conservative activist says President Obama has already signaled, during his first days in office, that his administration will be the most "extreme, left-wing, and discriminatory" in American history.


President Obama's plans to cater to the priorities of homosexual activists are laid out under a section called "Civil Rights" on the website WhiteHouse.gov

What is the alternative?

 

[Jon-Marc]

...policies?

A leading conservative activist says President Obama has already signaled, during his first days in office, that his administration will be the most "extreme, left-wing, and discriminatory" in American history.


President Obama's plans to cater to the priorities of homosexual activists are laid out under a section called "Civil Rights" on the website WhiteHouse.gov

I'm not at all surprised by that. I already knew he was in favor of homosexual rights and abortion, which is why I didn't vote for him.

 

[stephen]

I'm not at all surprised by that. I already knew he was in favor of homosexual rights and abortion, which is why I didn't vote for him.

Have you read his books? The first time we have a President who has written his story prior to becoming the President. "Dreams of my Father" his lifestory. "The Audicity of Hope", politicle and not much interest to an Englishman as I. But a good section on 'Faith' his Salvation and water baptism.......
.....................................................An article I posted recently

Welcome Return to the really good ol' U.S. of A.

The excitement is real because in Barak Obama the world sees the very best of America.

America in all its inclusiveness. America and its sense of limitless possibilities.

America in all its big-heartedness and tolerance.

Barack Obama is a hurricane of freshair after long years of looking at ugly Americans.

The belligerent, mindless America of Goerge Bush who comfortably, it was reported, sat out the Vietnam war in the bars of Dallas and Houston, but later had no hesitation in sending other men off to fight and die - and sometimes murder and torture.

I consider myself pro-American, but many English have not been to America for sometime because they despise the way every British family man on his way with his family to Disney, is treated at 'Passport Controll' like an al-Qaeda cell.

America changed overnight after the planes went into the World Trade Centre. Thereafter stepping off the plane the Brits were confronted by paranoid Americans, rude Americans, aggressive Americans - a reflection of the small minded man in the Oval Office.

The election of Barack Obama feels to be a victory for the world, and a reassertion of all that is enviable and good about the U.S.
America is back.....and embodied by that calm, eloquent, charismatic man who feels the he belongs to the planet.
Perhaps the fat men at the immigration desk may start learning some manners now that they have a President who is loved by the world.

But the hard work now begins. Obama inherits an America fighting two unwinnable wars, an Amerca with a broken 'Wall Street' an America soiled by images of torture chambers, and suchlike inhumanitarian scenes

History will record that Dubya's greatest crime was squandering the good-will that the world felt for America after 9/11.......... The world wants to love America. All in the West have a place in their heart for 'Uncle Sam' The ugly America of George Bush was a tragedy not only for his country, but for the whole human race. Barak Obama could give the world an America that shines a light of freedom, in these darkest of days.

But it is not just America that is on the ropes. The West sinks into wars that it can never win, and our financial systems are brought down by unfettered greed, we are left even doubting our way of life. And wondering if we still remain the good guys?

Hopefully that paranoid, arrogent, xenophobic America, throwing its weight around even as it went backrupt, can now be consigned to the past.........The America we love is back - the America that fought for freedom in two world wars, who sent its sons to pay for European liberty with their blood.

Its all down to Obama who radiates a quiet decency and goodness, just as surely as Franklin D, Roosevelt when he was elected to lead America out of the 'Great Depression' 76 years ago.

Critics say that Obama is a flash in the pan - a one term wonder like Jimmy Carter who arrived in a flurry of good intention, only to fizzel out when confronted by the hard reality of life in office. But Obama could never be another Jimmy Carter. Already he has more in common with Martin Luther King than the peanut farmer with the cheesy grin. What the critics of Obama miss, is that he is already a success. Because in that moment of victory he became an inspiration for generations to come.

"In this Election....on this day....America voted for change........In this defining moment Change has come to America" (Barak Obama)

God Bless the Man may he be spared to realise the dream, and God Bless the great nation of America

Will we ever have a black Prime Minister in the U.K.? We can now.

 

[unionjack]

Actually, many Indian tribes do have individuals who are what we would call "gay". I know in Siouian culture, the "Two-Spirits" are actually revered by the people. Homosexuality in China has been recorded since about 600 BC. Ancient Romans and Greeks practiced "same-sex love" (and you can't say they weren't "civilized"). I'm not gay, and I don't plan on becoming gay. If I was, though I would not greatly appreciate the government (or anyone else) telling me who I could or could not marry.

 

[carlos marquez]

Unionjack.If what you are saying is true,about the Sinouian culture.I still dont think you will ever see any indian tribe dancing trough the streets not only celebrating homosexuality but compeling a whole society to think homosexualy and be homosexual.
Im not disputing that all have fallen short of the glory of God,barberian or civilized.
But what I am saying is that you will not be able to accuse indians anywhere of of advancing the homosexual sin to the status that many here have done,the credit for homosexual advancement goes to those who are previledged to live in "civilized countries".
You may think that the homosexual life style is okay and that everyone is entitled to their choice but that still doesnt change what God has already said conscernin same sex unions.Romans 1:22.Professing themselves to be wise ,they became fools,
Romans 1:24-26.

I understand that this is a touchy topic to many Chritians,but I must make a clear distinction.
Activism,which is what unionjack is doing is solely driven by her emotions and feelings
therefore her love for homosexual people is a counterfit.The bible calls on us to speak the truth in love (Eph 4:25).and if God already said homosexuality is sin,then why are we arguing with God?

Havent you heard that God created them male and female for a special purpose? (Mark 10:6).And if you know this,then why are you supporting those who are trying to change this?(Genesis 2:24).

You cant say you love a people and desire the best for them all the while knowing homosexuality is a sin,and the bible clearly states that the wages of sin is death.Romans 6:23.

Therefore my desire for homosexual people is that they will quit seeking that which perishes,and that they will come to the knowledge of the truth and receave that which is eternal.

Daniel 12:3.
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament;and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.........

 

[unionjack]

I brought up recorded historical facts and all of a sudden I'm an activist...that makes sense....
Besides that, I'm pretty sure that the discussion was on President Obama's policies. I'm also pretty sure that by giving gays equal rights he is not "compelling a whole society to think and act homosexually". He's merely giving them the freedom to make choices about their lives. I don't like what gay people do in the bedroom; I wouldn't do those sort of things myself, but if they don't believe it's a sin and they can be happy with themselves, who am I (or you) to judge them? . Only God can judge and condemn people. I wasn't trying to "convert" anyone; I was just correcting an incorrect fact someone had said. If you would like to continue this conversation, I would appreciate it if you made less than 5 errors in your first sentence. Your spelling and grammatical errors detract from your post.

 

[carlos marquez]

This is about Obama's policies.I didnt invent marriage God did and I simply disagree with you and Obama.Im on God's side who's side are you on?

And I never condemned anyone ,the sinfulness of homosexuality didnt originate with me calling it sinful.all you need do is read romans 2:27-32.

And about your historical facts,dont believe everything you watch on the history chanel.

All the Indians I known to exist in the past were always hunter gatherers and not gay as you claim.

if by attacking my grammatical errors you desire to show those reading how your opinion is right on,well I guess in that much you win but thank you for your time and for deciphering my post.

 

[unionjack]

I didn't say you had invented marriage. I also didn't say you condemned people. I was just pointing out the facts, which, by the way, I didn't glean from the History/Discovery/Travel channels. I learned them from an Indian Studies 439 class which was taught by a tribal elder from a local reservation. Now that I think of it, I'm pretty sure that class was right before my Intro to Writing. Another useful course...

 

[yandwa08]

...policies?

A leading conservative activist says President Obama has already signaled, during his first days in office, that his administration will be the most "extreme, left-wing, and discriminatory" in American history.


President Obama's plans to cater to the priorities of homosexual activists are laid out under a section called "Civil Rights" on the website WhiteHouse.gov

I do not believe that Obama can do that. Lets give him a benefit of doubt and see how it goes

 

[carlos marquez]

Just becauase you went to school and were personaly tought by an elder from the rez
doesnt make your allegations true.Theres many pro homosexual agents through out the academia perpetrating the lie.There has been many educated people as your self who use all their stregnth and resources to further the cause of homosexuality.You are very zealous about your rights as an american,but the kingdome of God is not all about your rights to dictate how you want to live out your selfish life.The kingdome of God is love,joy ,peace and finding out what is the good and perfect will of God.Romans 14:17.


The institution of marriage was created by God our God,and therefore when I see the forces of satan making a frontal assault to redefine marriage of course im going to speak out..


Homosexuals act as if Christians are mean but the real deal here is that homosexuals have always tryed to desecrate the very faith that we as Christians hold dear and one of those faithful things happens to be marriage.

Im not saying gays shouldnt get married.Go and get married but dont assault us and cause anarchy on the streets of sacramento just because you couldnt get your way.
Dont call homosexuality normal when many sanfransiscan gays literally take and rape young runaway boys at will,while everyone including you is saying this is just an issue of preference and goverment intervention.

This is an way bigger issue than goverment and religious wars,this is people both victims and perpetrator who are cought in the devils grip,and we are also cought up in all this drama.Now the question is who's side will you be on when God says I told you so?