White Jesus Statues Should Be Torn Down, Black Lives Matters Leader Says

[Brother-Paul]

LOL, I had made a long post in reply and accidentaly erased in a couple of unwatched keystrokes. In conclusion, your observation molds your opinion and I respect that, but it hasnt been my observation. The RCC has done many things I disagree with and continue to do so, and I dont attend their parishes other than go with a friend to have a chance to witness to them afterwords (respecting them enough to go with them). I think the orthodox church is the closest there is in 3rd century faith due to their rigidness of inability to change, but even they are not the same as 1st century faith. And the KJV which many protestants love as the only true scripture has already changed from its first printing. It started with the apocrypha included and that was taken out about a century later. Short of the use of the Holy Spirit, even accepted scripture does little to the atheists that study it to try and prove us wrong, and sadly, often they know it better than many christians.

Greeting Brad,

What I have said, I said in love, I have nothing against the catholics, if I ever comment it is regarding their practices that are not right with scripture, the reformation proved that in itself, I do not belong to any denomination, I never will, the truly born again are the ekklesia, that is the Church I belong to, my brothers and sisters in Christ are the saved souls, the born again souls, born again as the Word of God not as a denomination states.

I do not condemn the RCC because it is the catholic church, all I do is point out the errors and confirm scripture as necessary. I would never be part of the Church of England due to their errors, but I do confirm what I believe those errors are. It is not picking on the RCC, it is getting scripture right and being as right with God as one can personally be.

The Truth is in The Word, the Truth will set us free, if we let it and not make up our own minds thinking we know better, or follow incorrect teaching of The Word by ministers what ever they call themselves. Many times I have said on here that the church today is nothing like the early church, that is what we should be looking at, not back to Constantine, not the period from Constantine, but back to Pentecost.

Bless you

 

[Brother-Paul]

LOL, I had made a long post in reply and accidentaly erased in a couple of unwatched keystrokes. In conclusion, your observation molds your opinion and I respect that, but it hasnt been my observation. The RCC has done many things I disagree with and continue to do so, and I dont attend their parishes other than go with a friend to have a chance to witness to them afterwords (respecting them enough to go with them). I think the orthodox church is the closest there is in 3rd century faith due to their rigidness of inability to change, but even they are not the same as 1st century faith. And the KJV which many protestants love as the only true scripture has already changed from its first printing. It started with the apocrypha included and that was taken out about a century later. Short of the use of the Holy Spirit, even accepted scripture does little to the atheists that study it to try and prove us wrong, and sadly, often they know it better than many christians.

I could never be a catholic Brad, the first hurdle to fall at would be that the Pope is on the line of Peter, the second Peter was a Pope. I stop there.

But I could also not be part of the Church of England, I disagree with the ArchBishop and previous ArchBishop's too. I could list many items here too.

To me, there are to many people who talk about their church, come to my church, my church does this, my church does that. They do not have a church. They are referring to the building as the church! The building is the kuriakon, yes it means church but it is not in the Bible, it was created by the RCC. Why do people say this, why do they believe it? Because that is what they have been brought up in, that is what they are taught, they take what is taught as the gospel, it must be right the minister said so. Many denominations do the same. I only ever come across one, they had a notice board outside their place of worship, it said. 'The Church meets here on a Sunday, etc'. They were spot on the ekklesia meets there, all saved souls are spiritual stones in the One True Church, the Body of Christ, the Bride of Christ, born again from above souls from all the world, not a kuriakon.

You mention above Brad, 'atheists often they know The Bible better than many Christians, that is no doubt because there are many who call themselves Christian, even go to a place of worship every week, but are born born again from above. They think they are Christians.

Bless you.

 

[Trevor]

We do know the hearts of some. They freely tell us and show what is in their hearts.

Matt 7:16; "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?
Matt 7:20; "So then, you will know them by their fruits

1Tim 5:24; The sins of some men are quite evident, going before them to judgment; for others, their sins follow after.

Many people are far too accepting of people who believe in other doctrines, and even other Jesus's.

2Jn 1:9; Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10; If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting;
2Jn 1:11; for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds.

2Cor 11:3; But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.
2Cor 11:4; For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you accept their teachings openly.

Eph 4:14; As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming;

We are supposed to judge those in the church. The Bible tells us to.

1Cor 5:11; But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
1Cor 5:12; For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?
1Cor 5:13; But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.

Some of us are far too accepting of the company we keep, and the beliefs we accept.

There are many differences between the Jesus of the Bible, and the Jesus of the RC church. Enough I believe for him to qualify as "another Jesus".

You are right B.A.C that we are to judge by the fruits. but sometimes the tree has not reached the point of fruit and the fruit is not yet visible. When one grows roses, one has to feed them with Horse ****. We don't judge the rose bush by the ****, we wait until the blooms appear. There was once a Christian restaurant in a city near where I live. It was a wonderful place where the customers were encouraged to share the gospel. A guy used to frequent the place, he was addicted to alcohol. The local Christians had, because of his addiction, given up on him, but I was moved to sit with him. In our conversations I would on many occasions be moved to tears by the Spirit and was able to tell him that the Lord was present and loved him. He thanked me one day for bothering to sit with him when the local churches had given him up. However I thanked him, because whenever I was in his company, I was moved by the Spirit and being moved by the Spirit is what I live for. Sometimes obvious sin can hide one of the elect, we need to Spirit before we judge a situation or we might damage a delicate soul.

 

[Brother-Paul]

You are right B.A.C that we are to judge by the fruits. but sometimes the tree has not reached the point of fruit and the fruit is not yet visible. When one grows roses, one has to feed them with Horse ****. We don't judge the rose bush by the ****, we wait until the blooms appear.

I love it brother

 

[Brother-Paul]

You are right B.A.C that we are to judge by the fruits. but sometimes the tree has not reached the point of fruit and the fruit is not yet visible. When one grows roses, one has to feed them with Horse ****. We don't judge the rose bush by the ****, we wait until the blooms appear.

I love it brother absolutely brilliant.

But I thought manure was 6x ******

 

[Brad Huber]

So, good to have a rethink. No point, as Brad Huber says, in violently tearing things down. But think it through carefully, and use images that are as accurate as possible, and in a way that doesn't divide communities and isn't a barrier to evangelism.

I assume you seen the black Jesus image. I thought it was great. I was thinking it might have been made just to irritate white people, but I thought it was great that they wanted Jesus to be black. Was thinking it might make some think of Him as not just the white man's Jesus.

 

[Reba1]

The catholic church h have white Jesus and white Mary statues in every place of worship.

I agree with your idea thoughts but will state many RCC have dark skinned paintings and statues of Mary .

 

[Brother-Paul]

I agree with your idea thoughts but will state many RCC have dark skinned paintings and statues of Mary .

Thanks for confirming that Reba1

I guess it depends on the country and the people and the flesh colour is adjusted to suit. There have been a lot of incorrect adjustments over the years. No one knows what Jesus looks like but complexion is sure to be middle eastern olive brown colour of around 2000 years ago.

 

[Dave M]

BLM organization seems to be a non-Christian organization from what I can tell, this is off there web site. interesting that they would care about Jesus, maybe from a historical point???

We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks,

 

[Brother-Paul]

I don't thing they care about Jesus Dave, the extremists behind the movement are hitting where they can. They started on statues, they seem to be looking at all statues. If it is as they call the movement BLM why are they hitting at a white Jesus when he was olive brown, middle eastern complexion?

They say it is about BLM which racism against black is not right, we all agree, but they are being racist against white.

It is an increase in lawlessness, a hardening of hearts, an increase in wickedness, it is the latter days, the world is changing fast!

Shalom

 

[Hekuran]

BLM organization seems to be a non-Christian organization from what I can tell, this is off there web site. interesting that they would care about Jesus, maybe from a historical point???

We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks,

During the civil rights era, the church was absolutely at the centre of the call for racial justice. Why is it not being led by the church today?

This is a shocking indictment of the growing weakness and passivity of the church, failing to address an issue that goes to the core of the gospel.

 

[Chad]

No matter what, these statues have been there for how many decades and centuries? All of a sudden, they're offensive, racist, etc. It's all stupidity and nonsensical whining from God haters and spiritually blind people. This is not about race, this is real spiritual warfare. Like as if Satan has unleashed his legion of demons as prophesied long ago.

 

[Uber Squirrel]

We're not of the world Uber, we are aliens, but we have a most powerful weapon, prayer and we must use it, guided by the Holy spirit. Bless you.

I think that we live in the world and are affected by what happens here. Which is why prayer is so vital to our survival. And thank you. May you also be blessed.

 

[Uber Squirrel]

During the civil rights era, the church was absolutely at the centre of the call for racial justice. Why is it not being led by the church today?

This is a shocking indictment of the growing weakness and passivity of the church, failing to address an issue that goes to the core of the gospel.

The church is not to be at the forefront, strong, active, for immoral sins. " We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks, ...." Christianity does not preach tolerance because Jesus did not preach tolerance for sins. If we're to be Christ like, I believe we're to stand against immorality, racism demonstrated by any community, and violence.

I would suggest , and due to what BLM has given as its own evidence about itself, that BLM isn't a civil rights entity. Rather, what we are let to judge about BLM is that they are racist, anarchists, anti-America, and are domestic terrorists. BLM members and founders have demonstrated BLM does not even care for black lives, else they would not goad the members of the black community to break the laws, kill people, commit acts of arson, so that their lives are put in danger in any way. From death to terms in prison .

 

[Hekuran]

The church is not to be at the forefront, strong, active, for immoral sins. " We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks, ...." Christianity does not preach tolerance because Jesus did not preach tolerance for sins. If we're to be Christ like, I believe we're to stand against immorality, racism demonstrated by any community, and violence.

I would suggest , and due to what BLM has given as its own evidence about itself, that BLM isn't a civil rights entity. Rather, what we are let to judge about BLM is that they are racist, anarchists, anti-America, and are domestic terrorists. BLM members and founders have demonstrated BLM does not even care for black lives, else they would not goad the members of the black community to break the laws, kill people, commit acts of arson, so that their lives are put in danger in any way. From death to terms in prison .

You missed my point. Why is the church not taking the lead on promoting racial justice?

 

[Hekuran]

No matter what, these statues have been there for how many decades and centuries? All of a sudden, they're offensive, racist, etc. It's all stupidity and nonsensical whining from God haters and spiritually blind people. This is not about race, this is real spiritual warfare. Like as if Satan has unleashed his legion of demons as prophesied long ago.

Why would defending a white portrayal of Jesus be spiritual warfare? He born a Jew in the middle East-- not white.

And it can't all be nonsensical whining from God-haters, because I would support replacing white images of Jesus with more accurate and representative images. I am emphatically not a God-hater. I don't think I am a nonsensical whiner either.

 

[Uber Squirrel]

You missed my point. Why is the church not taking the lead on promoting racial justice?

What would you as a member of the church suggest, in that regard?

 

[Hekuran]

There's a thousand things churches could be doing.

First recover the response to the gospel that stunned and scandalized 1st century Roman and Greek society. Nobody had seen men and women, Greek and Jew, slave and free eating together before. It was unheard of and totally new.

The first churches grasped that they were a new community, united in Jesus. It wasn't straightforward - the churches in Rome, Ephesus, Galatia and Corinth struggled with the practical and cultural issues of living in unity.

1 Peter 2 talks of these diverse churches being a single priesthood and nation.

Churches today should put real effort into diversity - that means giving consideration to whoever is not present, and addressing whatever is a hindrance to fellowship and the gospel.

That requires self-education and sacrifice from all parts of the body.

On a national scale, churches, white e evangelical churches especially, have immense political influence. To date I've not seen them willing to use that influence to address racoal injustice. A scandal.

 

[Dave M]

Why is the church not taking the lead on promoting racial justice?

Racial injustice is sin and sin is sin. The modern church has been tipy toeing around the issue of sin for far to long, in order not to offend people and fill seats, they are people pleases. I can tell you at my church much much discussion is going on and has been going on since its start (10 years ago) . I believe a majority of what we see going on is manufactured and manipulated to divide. What I mean by that is most of these posteriors that are being arrested are from other parts of the country and are being shipped in to cities to incite riots.

With that said racism is still sin and still a issue, and our church leaders should speak out against it just like any other sin. I can also say My pastor who is black has given me a much wider perspective of his view that I never realized before.

But the real fight starts with us one person at a time, what are we doing as individual of the body of Christ to promote unity of different skin colors???

 

[Hekuran]

Yes, a key question is 'what is my circle of influence?' As an individual I can make choices that have an impact on my small circle of friends and family, my church fellowship can influence at the level of our neighbourhood. And the combined and united voice of churches can influence the debate and conversation nationally.