White Jesus Statues Should Be Torn Down, Black Lives Matters Leader Says

[B-A-C]

Good question. I mean every disadvantage and obstacle a person or community experiences due to their race.

I won't deny this is an issue. But it also cuts both ways.
We do have race affirmative action laws here. Discrimination by race and religion is supposedly illegal but....

This was on the news about 22 years ago.
A man in Texas owned a large factory, with over 800 employees. The NCAAP came to his factory one day and told him if he didn't have enough black employees they were going "to shut him down".
I don't remember exactly how many he was supposed to have... but I think it was 10%. It turns out he was 3 over his "quota". He had 3 more black people than he absolutely "had to".
So he fired 3 of them.. right there, on that day, while the NCAAP was still there. He told them "OK, now I meet your requirements".

Now it turns out the man wasn't really a racist. The next day he hired back the 3 workers, and paid them double time for that day. (Supposedly he gave one of them a raise).

Here in the US, "most" of the highest paid athletes are black. The highest paid actor was the last 10 years was Samuel L Jackson, the highest paid television host is Oprah, "most" of the highest paid rap artists are black.
The last President was black. Most of the athletic scholarships go to blacks. Most of the "hardship" college grants go to minorities. The word minority is a bit of a misnomer. Here in 2020 in the US, there are more minorities
under the age of 27 than there are white caucasion people. The whites are the largest group, but the minorities as a whole outnumber them.

Less than half of US children under 15 are white, census shows

New data show that declines in white youth population are countered by gains in other racial groups, discusses demographer William H. Frey.

www.brookings.edu

The US white majority will soon disappear forever - The Chicago Reporter

By 2050, the US will be a 'majority-minority' country, with white non-Hispanics making up less than half of the total population.

www.chicagoreporter.com

The most common age among whites in U.S. is 58 – more than double that of racial and ethnic minorities

The most common age was 11 for Hispanics, 27 for blacks and 29 for Asians as of last July. Multiracial Americans were by far the youngest racial or ethnic group.

www.pewresearch.org

It seems as a "society" we are doing what we can. Now it comes down to individuals. Christians shouldn't have a problem with this, we are already a "minority".
I myself was not hired once, due to "affirmative action, racial requirements". Just within the last 5 years I was not hired once because of my religious affiliation.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Is it any wonder a country with about 7% of the world's population has over 85% of the world's lawyers.
If you have enough money there's a good chance you will never see prison. In fact if you have 'enough' money, you can own the judge, jury, and prosecution.

But there is one judge we cannot buy, cannot bribe, and will go down on both knees to, not just one!

 

[Uber Squirrel]

Sounds like in your version of Luke 10, the Samaritan traveller also crosses by on the other side, saying, 'it's not up to me to change the world.'

I appear to be your assumed hobby what with your judgment in the Woman thread and now that.
You misunderstand a great deal of scripture. Perhaps if you renounce and repent of self-righteous indignation you will read clearly. I'll hold that in my prayers for you.

 

[Hekuran]

I appear to be your assumed hobby what with your judgment in the Woman thread and now that.
You misunderstand a great deal of scripture. Perhaps if you renounce and repent of self-righteous indignation you will read clearly. I'll hold that in my prayers for you.

Better than just pray for me, you could show me where you think I am in error.

The theme of justice runs consistently throughout the Bible. It's there at the opening in Genesis 4 and it is woven in and out of the story until the final scene in Revelation.

You said that churches that change the world are apostate. I can't begin to think where in the Bible you got that idea. It wasn't from the Patriarchs, nor Moses or Joshua, who stood up to injustice, the Judges certainly changed their socety up to the time of Saul and David (and he certainly changed the world), the prophets up to the time of the exile worked to change the society they lived in -- and often lost their lives for their trouble. Jesus challenged injustice and began a fledgling community, which after his death and resurrection had a profound effect on the world.

 

[Dave M]

this is interesting point of view this video is over 10 years old by the way

 

[Hekuran]

Disagree with what he's saying here. First, interesting to note that he talks about black people in the third person, not the first; 'they', not 'we'.

To claim, as he does, that the rate of incarceration of black men has nothing to do with white men, racism or slavery is untrue. A black man accused of a crime is less likely than a white man to be granted bail. That means he has less opportunity to mount a solid defence when he comes to court. Judges are more likely to hand a custodial sentence to a black man than a white man.

My friends are not whiners and complainers. They do not remind me of my white privelege, and they don't behave as if the world owes them something because of historical and present injustices.

But I've seen over the past month or so that they are deeply hurt, anxious and troubled by racism -- to an extent that has surprised me. And I've lived, worked and worshipped in multicultural settings for the past 20 years.

I can very clearly see that the problem is present and real. Trying to brush it to one side is to act counter to the gospel and is an offence to God who created us all in his image.

 

[B-A-C]

the rate of incarceration of black men has nothing to do with white men, racism or slavery is untrue.

Obviously you've never heard of O.J. Simpson.
But kidding aside. Specifically in what way do you attribute "slavery" to a higher incarceration rate?
Have you ever walked around Watts? Harlem? Hunters Point? South Chicago?

 

[Uber Squirrel]

I think a Christian should recall the story in Daniel and Nebuchadnezzar's dream. Those with legs of iron but feet of clay. Injustice exists in this world everywhere. as far as America is concerned, I don't believe it will be found in solution proffered by a group like Black Lives Matter, that is the antithesis of justice or righteous activism.
One does not seek to change a system of injustice by resorting to the tactics BLM employs at the expense of all people. Further, one can tell where the heart is when what is championed is the idea that black lives are all that matter.
We know this is the case with regard to BLM because of their push back at the inception of the group and to date, for anyone who dares say, all lives matter. Violence, venomous vitriol, and worse, their accusation that to dare say all lives matter is racist.
One way to defeat an effort to heal racial injustice is to resort to race baiting, white shaming, and reverse racism in the process.
Sadly, those acts have made news too.

I think if we seek change in America the last place to look for its champion is within a racist anarchist violent terrorist entity that is in part dedicated to a racist cop killer fugitive who remains hiding in Cuba. Feet of clay, indeed.

 

[Hekuran]

Obviously you've never heard of O.J. Simpson.
But kidding aside. Specifically in what way do you attribute "slavery" to a higher incarceration rate?
Have you ever walked around Watts? Harlem? Hunters Point? South Chicago?

The OJ Simpson case shows how much wealth influences the justice system. A legacy of slavery is poverty.

I dont live in the US so I don't know the places you've mentioned, but I have lived in Britain's largest afro-caribbean community for 20 years.

 

[Hekuran]

I think a Christian should recall the story in Daniel and Nebuchadnezzar's dream. Those with legs of iron but feet of clay. Injustice exists in this world everywhere. as far as America is concerned, I don't believe it will be found in solution proffered by a group like Black Lives Matter, that is the antithesis of justice or righteous activism.
One does not seek to change a system of injustice by resorting to the tactics BLM employs at the expense of all people. Further, one can tell where the heart is when what is championed is the idea that black lives are all that matter.
We know this is the case with regard to BLM because of their push back at the inception of the group and to date, for anyone who dares say, all lives matter. Violence, venomous vitriol, and worse, their accusation that to dare say all lives matter is racist.
One way to defeat an effort to heal racial injustice is to resort to race baiting, white shaming, and reverse racism in the process.
Sadly, those acts have made news too.

I think if we seek change in America the last place to look for its champion is within a racist anarchist violent terrorist entity that is in part dedicated to a racist cop killer fugitive who remains hiding in Cuba. Feet of clay, indeed.

Is there effective activism that you support? If BLM is the last place to look, what's the first?

 

[Brother-Paul]

BBC News regarding a Catholic Cathedral in the UK

A modern day artist has painted an interpretation of Leonardo da Vinci's 15th Century work with a black skinned Jesus!

If the artist had wanted to express the situation correctly, she should have painted Jesus with an olive brown complexion not black.
It is clear why she has done it but, Two wrongs do not make a right, Jesus was not white and was not black!

St Albans Cathedral's black Jesus is a 'bold statement'

The artist said she wanted "to make people question the Western myth that Jesus had fair hair and blue eyes".

www.bbc.co.uk