White Jesus Statues Should Be Torn Down, Black Lives Matters Leader Says

[Uber Squirrel]

There's a thousand things churches could be doing.

First recover the response to the gospel that stunned and scandalized 1st century Roman and Greek society. Nobody had seen men and women, Greek and Jew, slave and free eating together before. It was unheard of and totally new.

I don't quite understand what you mean when you say that. "First recover the response to the gospel that stunned and scandalized 1st century Roman and Greek society" ?

The first churches grasped that they were a new community, united in Jesus. It wasn't straightforward - the churches in Rome, Ephesus, Galatia and Corinth struggled with the practical and cultural issues of living in unity.

1 Peter 2 talks of these diverse churches being a single priesthood and nation.

Churches today should put real effort into diversity - that means giving consideration to whoever is not present, and addressing whatever is a hindrance to fellowship and the gospel.

That requires self-education and sacrifice from all parts of the body.

On a national scale, churches, white e evangelical churches especially, have immense political influence. To date I've not seen them willing to use that influence to address racoal injustice. A scandal.

The churches I know are inclusive. There is no such thing as whites only. Whereas the AME churches and so called dedicated black churches, if we're speaking of segregation in the body, have then always been an issue.
There is a church in my home town that is a black church. If you're white you're not asked to leave but you get the message you're not wanted. If you are black and want to be a member, you have to apply. Part of that application process is to turn in a copy of your W-2 form. That is to insure you do give 10% tithe .

Love of money above all else being the root of all evil not withstanding, I think the body of Christ does itself no good service if it resorts to white shaming, thinking that is a means of "correcting" racial inequality over the ages.

 

[Trevor]

I love it brother absolutely brilliant.

But I thought manure was 6x ******

6X******?

 

[Hekuran]

'Manure' has six letters. Brother Paul can't understand why the blanked out words in your post have only four asterisks.

 

[Hekuran]

I don't quite understand what you mean when you say that. "First recover the response to the gospel that stunned and scandalized 1st century Roman and Greek society" ?

The churches I know are inclusive. There is no such thing as whites only. Whereas the AME churches and so called dedicated black churches, if we're speaking of segregation in the body, have then always been an issue.
There is a church in my home town that is a black church. If you're white you're not asked to leave but you get the message you're not wanted. If you are black and want to be a member, you have to apply. Part of that application process is to turn in a copy of your W-2 form. That is to insure you do give 10% tithe .

Love of money above all else being the root of all evil not withstanding, I think the body of Christ does itself no good service if it resorts to white shaming, thinking that is a means of "correcting" racial inequality over the ages.

I see this quite a bit. When we talk about racial justice, the conversation swings around to problems with black churches, the black community, black attitudes.

Sure, there are issues to deal with here. But let's not think that the burden of responsibility to address racial injustice lies with the oppressed rather than the dominant group.

 

[Brother-Paul]

The churches I know are inclusive. There is no such thing as whites only. Whereas the AME churches and so called dedicated black churches, if we're speaking of segregation in the body, have then always been an issue.
There is a church in my home town that is a black church. If you're white you're not asked to leave but you get the message you're not wanted. If you are black and want to be a member, you have to apply. Part of that application process is to turn in a copy of your W-2 form. That is to insure you do give 10% tithe .

Love of money above all else being the root of all evil not withstanding, I think the body of Christ does itself no good service if it resorts to white shaming, thinking that is a means of "correcting" racial inequality over the ages.

Greetings brother

Thank you for sharing the above information, it is interesting to hear someone's experience on this matter. I have never heard of group, calling themselves a church, and making people apply to be a member. It does seem as you say brother a means of filtering, to keep it a black only group. This is racism.

It is also against the Word of God, it is against Jesus' teaching, it is also very hypocritical to not want white people in their group, yet say they are subject to racism.

We are all God's children by creation, from Adam and Eve, from man through woman, black, white yellow, olive, or what ever external skin colour is.

The world is full of fear and hate my friend.

 

[Brother-Paul]

'Manure' has six letters. Brother Paul can't understand why the blanked out words in your post have only four asterisks.

What ever we call it I would hate to be dropped in it.

Bless you

 

[Uber Squirrel]

I see this quite a bit. When we talk about racial justice, the conversation swings around to problems with black churches, the black community, black attitudes.

Sure, there are issues to deal with here. But let's not think that the burden of responsibility to address racial injustice lies with the oppressed rather than the dominant group.

It is witnessed quite a bit likely because racism is not solely a white offense issue.
I don't recognize the term, dominant group, when holding to the truth shared in Galatians 3:28. I would also share that it does no service to the church to commit to white shaming in the misguided belief that we today are making up for injustices shown any community of persons.

 

[Hekuran]

It is witnessed quite a bit likely because racism is not solely a white offense issue.
I don't recognize the term, dominant group, when holding to the truth shared in Galatians 3:28. I would also share that it does no service to the church to commit to white shaming in the misguided belief that we today are making up for injustices shown any community of persons.

I'm not thinking that anything good comes from 'white shaming'.

I posted some of my thoughts on a constructive approach earlier in the thread.

What do you think the church could do to bring about the end of racial injustice?

 

[Uber Squirrel]

I'm not thinking that anything good comes from 'white shaming'.

I posted some of my thoughts on a constructive approach earlier in the thread.

What do you think the church could do to bring about the end of racial injustice?

Hold to what we have already discussed. We are all one in Christ Jesus.
Whereas the secular laws are the laws of the world. And as one said early on in this discussion, we are not of the world. Therefore, it is not up to the church to change the world. Whereas what the church can affect within itself is I would hope already happening. Holding to the fact we are all one in Christ. And for those churches that do not see it that way, one could say they are then apostate and are not really a church to begin with.

 

[Trevor]

'Manure' has six letters. Brother Paul can't understand why the blanked out words in your post have only four asterisks.

I am a street person Hekuran and maybe my expletives are a tad more colourful, but if you're hungry I'll feed you.

 

[Dave M]

I saw this quote and tend to agree with it

"America thinks people who aren't racist are racists & those who are racists fly under the radar. Calling good evil and evil good"

 

[Reba1]

What do you think the church could do to bring about the end of racial injustice?

What does the term racial injustice mean to you? or what do you mean when you say racial injustice?

 

[Hekuran]

What does the term racial injustice mean to you? or what do you mean when you say racial injustice?

Good question. I mean every disadvantage and obstacle a person or community experiences due to their race.

From not being invited to children's parties to difficulty in securing a loan, being given a lesser table at a restaurant to eexperiencing violence on the streets and police brutality.

I've been surprised in my recent conversations with friends and colleagues at how deep the wound of racism is for them.

 

[Hekuran]

Hold to what we have already discussed. We are all one in Christ Jesus.
Whereas the secular laws are the laws of the world. And as one said early on in this discussion, we are not of the world. Therefore, it is not up to the church to change the world. Whereas what the church can affect within itself is I would hope already happening. Holding to the fact we are all one in Christ. And for those churches that do not see it that way, one could say they are then apostate and are not really a church to begin with.

Sounds like in your version of Luke 10, the Samaritan traveller also crosses by on the other side, saying, 'it's not up to me to change the world.'

 

[Hekuran]

Or look in the Book of Acts at the way the presence of the gospel turns the highly segregated Roman colony in Philippi upside-down. Slaves and low status jailers set free, their rich oppressors confounded.

 

[Brother-Paul]

What a crazy world it is.

Blacks in churches for blacks, whites in churches for whites, this denomination in this place, that denomination in that place saying, each ringing out their own denomination is right.

One saying this is my church, another saying my church is, come to by church they say. Then we hear words, why is the church not doing anything in this racism issue?

The problems, I believe are plenty. In the past I have heard Christians say, what is the church doing in this or that situation, when querying what they class as the church I have received answers like, the Pope the Arch Bishop of the Anglican Church, what are they doing, what are they saying. It always seems some denominations condemn the pope for this and that, understandable I feel, and the ArchBishop is floating on a cloud, his own cloud. He cannot make a decision, may be that's a little harsh, but it does seem that he seems to make wrong decisions on the important scriptural things and keeps out of the way on other things. They both do.

The church is upside down in this world. So many worship behind closed doors, Jesus went out and about. So many worship their way, with their niche of beliefs, they call the church the place they worship, it is the place they go to worship, the church is not a building, kuriakon was a word created for the place of worship by the RCC. Churches on earth have become pigeon holes, a small group (denomination group) looking up, they call it a church yet it consists of some saved souls and some believing souls, the percentage varying from one to another.

Only our Lord sees the Church correctly, and rightfully so, He is the head 'of his church', 'the Body of Christ', the only church in the Bible, is the ekklesia, made of of spiritual stones, Born again, born from above, born anew souls.

Christians will never see the church correctly looking up! They have to see it from the Lord's throne on high, looking down. Only then will they realise the True Church, the saved souls on earth, the ekklesia, born again believers, regardless of age, sex, colour, language, rich or poor, denomination or any other worldly obstacle.

We are to love one another, as Christ love us, we are to love our neighbour as ourself, whether they are saved or not, whether they are in this pigeon hole denomination or the next one, we are to love one another.

A New Commandment I give unto you, says our Lord, that you love one another as I have loved you.

That is what God wants, it is what our Lord commands, are some loving their own in their own pigeon hole group 'in their church' or are we all looking at it from our Lord's throne on high? Sadly it seems to be the former in so many cases not the latter.

O Lord forgive us we pray. In Jesus Name. Amen

 

[Nicola Jane]

What a crazy world it is.

Blacks in churches for blacks, whites in churches for whites, this denomination in this place, that denomination in that place saying, each ringing out their own denomination is right.

One saying this is my church, another saying my church is, come to by church they say. Then we hear words, why is the church not doing anything in this racism issue?

The problems, I believe are plenty. In the past I have heard Christians say, what is the church doing in this or that situation, when querying what they class as the church I have received answers like, the Pope the Arch Bishop of the Anglican Church, what are they doing, what are they saying. It always seems some denominations condemn the pope for this and that, understandable I feel, and the ArchBishop is floating on a cloud, his own cloud. He cannot make a decision, may be that's a little harsh, but it does seem that he seems to make wrong decisions on the important scriptural things and keeps out of the way on other things. They both do.

The church is upside down in this world. So many worship behind closed doors, Jesus went out and about. So many worship their way, with their niche of beliefs, they call the church the place they worship, it is the place they go to worship, the church is not a building, kuriakon was a word created for the place of worship by the RCC. Churches on earth have become pigeon holes, a small group (denomination group) looking up, they call it a church yet it consists of some saved souls and some believing souls, the percentage varying from one to another.

Only our Lord sees the Church correctly, and rightfully so, He is the head 'of his church', 'the Body of Christ', the only church in the Bible, is the ekklesia, made of of spiritual stones, Born again, born from above, born anew souls.

Christians will never see the church correctly looking up! They have to see it from the Lord's throne on high, looking down. Only then will they realise the True Church, the saved souls on earth, the ekklesia, born again believers, regardless of age, sex, colour, language, rich or poor, denomination or any other worldly obstacle.

We are to love one another, as Christ love us, we are to love our neighbour as ourself, whether they are saved or not, whether they are in this pigeon hole denomination or the next one, we are to love one another.

A New Commandment I give unto you, says our Lord, that you love one another as I have loved you.

That is what God wants, it is what our Lord commands, are some loving their own in their own pigeon hole group 'in their church' or are we all looking at it from our Lord's throne on high? Sadly it seems to be the former in so many cases not the latter.

O Lord forgive us we pray. In Jesus Name. Amen

Amen

 

[Dave M]

we have more racial injustice does not stop at skin color, it also goes into economic status. The poor people are thrown in to Jails that are for PROFIT business when rich people who can afford good lawyers are usually fined for far worst act of crime. This social injustice at it worst and is really a huge problem in the USA today.


example from my pastor

"So is anyone going to jail for breaking the law? Nope. Mass incarnation is only for the poor... It Paid Doctors Kickbacks. Now, Novartis Will Pay a $678 Million Settlement. "

It Paid Doctors Kickbacks. Now, Novartis Will Pay a $678 Million Settlement. (Published 2020)

The pharmaceutical company spent more than $100 million on lavish meals, fishing junkets, golf outings, sporting events and speaker fees to influence doctors to prescribe its drugs, federal prosecutors said.

www.nytimes.com

 

[B-A-C]

This social injustice at it worst and is really a huge problem in the USA today.

Is it any wonder a country with about 7% of the world's population has over 85% of the world's lawyers.
If you have enough money there's a good chance you will never see prison. In fact if you have 'enough' money, you can own the judge, jury, and prosecution.

 

[Reba1]

Good question. I mean every disadvantage and obstacle a person or community experiences due to their race.

I get it when our son was looking for summer work he did not fit the requirements.