Who / what were the Nephilim?

[Brad Huber]

I don't disregard scripture, those are words that you have attempted to put into my mouth. Its unwise to do so and I forgive you for it, but don't do it again.

 

[Ceptor]

Its easy to pick certain scriptures to back up what you want to believe.

Brad, you seem upset brother. I don't feel I sinned against you.

"But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;"

Matthew 20:26

I hate to break it to you, but Jesus backed up His words with scripture, starting with "It is written..."

So I suppose it's easy to do that which Jesus done, but it seems it's sometimes not encouraged? And I suppose now I'm implying things again and telling lies about what you have or have not said?

Regardless of what you think I was conveying, it seems to me your conscience is what upset you because I had no such intention. At least not to the degree you have taken it. To be in truth, you have not stated scripture, but disregarded what I pointed out that it says about Nephilim in more than one post and said that what Jesus tells you in prayer is different. This... is what I said you done.

The Nephilim are known of because they are in scripture. The scripture tells us they existed, and it tells us what they are.

If you would like to insert your sentiments that's fine, but the scripture is what is ultimately being discussed in the overall picture...

Jesus didn't tell you that the Nephilim existed without scripture, and to say that He tells you opposite of scripture regarding something you learned from scripture makes no sense whatsoever to me.

I've not wronged you. But it seems I've been threatened by you as that was very obviously not a request. There was no please nor kindness in that post.

Nevertheless, I apologize if I've upset you. It breaks my heart to feel such disdain in a forum that is supposed to be what you say we are.

God Himself knows the hearts here.

You may discuss with everyone about what the Nephilim are without my opinion now. I can see this is not going to be productive.

God bless brother.

 

[amadeus2]

That's all dandy, and I agree with what you say to an extent. But if we follow the example given by Jesus - scripture and the prophets inspired to write them are the words of God. Even God Himself quoted scripture when rebuking Satan Himself. If God sees the need to use it, how is any unholy man today better?

God can speak to a person in any manner that He decides is appropriate. What book did Abraham read or even the shepherd boy, David? The Bible is a special gift and like all gifts God has given men, it is to be used, but it is not a god. It is a dead letter according to its own words without the quickening of the Spirit.

[/quote]He said, she said, is a discussion that has no foundation. Jesus certainly speaks to us regardless if we have scripture around (such as remote world locations). But to set God's work of 6,000 years of written Word to the side when He made it readily available to me is mocking Him and all He's done for me.[/quote]

This is perhaps why many times I am not in some conversations here. Sometimes the Lord leads me and it edifies someone. Other times if I were to join in it would the old man of flesh pushing forward in his own foolishness.

No one is setting the Bible aside. I read it every day, and I believe that Brad does, but I rarely carry a Bible with me when I leave my home... But has He not hidden a portion of His Word in my heart to be used according to His leading? It is not memorized and rarely do the words coming out of my mouth follow any written version verbatim. The Holy Ghost is the Leader. I am only the hopefully obedient follower.

These are just my sentiments. I don't believe in telling people, "I don't care what scripture says, I hear God's voice without it."

I know I never said anything like that. I doubt that Brad, who I have known for a few years, did.

Not only Jesus, but no disciple of His that walked with Him on earth disregarded the weight of His written words. It is the wise man that regards these words.

Matthew 7:24

John 1:1

The written words without the Spirit are dead:

"Who [God] also hat made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit; for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life" II Cor 3:6

To each his own, but as food for thought... If you had no scripture, you had not known the Nephilim ever existed. How then can you disregard the scripture on what they are?

Hebrew can be a useful language as can Koine Greek, but few people understand them and many people without such an understanding are led by the Holy Spirit to God's Truth.

For you a deeper dig into those sources may be edifying, but not everyone hears God only by means of a still small voice. For some He may speak to them rather through the wind or the earthquake or the fire or by some other means.

 

[Ceptor]

Reading my words in Amadeus' post it seems some of my words and intentions in some regards or ways were not expressed very well on my part.

I have apologized knowing I often make mistakes in choice of words and I sincerely mean it just in case it sounded insincere prior.

I do not care to discuss with anyone here, anything else, of any sort though. It deeply hurts me when these things come to pass. More than you would know without seeing me in person. If you could hear my voice, you likely would know and understand I don't mean anything ugly whatsoever.

I think this is a lesson that this time... the forums should be completely off-limits to my opinions for life without return.

God bless both of you; you are my brothers regardless.

 

[Ellie]

Amadeus, Brad, Ceptor....
Come on brothers. I might be sticking up for Ceptor a bit, and I know he hasn't asked me to..... but if ya'll could see his heart you would know that when he says sorry he means it. Why the attacks guys?

Jesus longs for unity in the Body of Christ... lets bring it. We don't need division. We can have discussions with Love.

God can speak to a person in any manner that He decides is appropriate. What book did Abraham read or even the shepherd boy, David? The Bible is a special gift and like all gifts God has given men, it is to be used, but it is not a god. It is a dead letter according to its own words without the quickening of the Spirit.

Amadeus, I am fairly new.... but I lived under someone taking scripture out of context as well as teaching me based on what they "experienced in God speaking to them" which now I find (based on a faith in Jesus and the BIBLE) was really not of God. So, yes God can speak to a person in any manner..... but if He speaks to them, won't it be able to be backed up by scripture? In other words, God would not show one person something without showing others or backing it up with scripture right?

 

[amadeus2]

Reading my words in Amadeus' post it seems some of my words and intentions in some regards or ways were not expressed very well on my part.

I have apologized knowing I often make mistakes in choice of words and I sincerely mean it just in case it sounded insincere prior.

I do not care to discuss with anyone here, anything else, of any sort though. It deeply hurts me when these things come to pass. More than you would know without seeing me in person. If you could hear my voice, you likely would know and understand I don't mean anything ugly whatsoever.

I think this is a lesson that this time... the forums should be completely off-limits to my opinions for life without return.

God bless both of you; you are my brothers regardless.

Quitting is never the answer, my friend. Believe me, for I have tried it. Step back if you need to and then re-involve as the Holy Spirit directs you. Every part of the Body of Christ has a purpose and it is not to be dead appendage. If a person is right-handed he may always lead with his right hand, but his left hand is a very necessary part. Any who has lost a natural hand probably knows that he will increase and improve the use of the remaining one, but he will never have the potential that he had with two.

God is giving a complete Body to Jesus. The Body already has a Head, which is Jesus, but the Body to do all of the work that God intends for it to accomplish needs every part. You are a part. Ask the Lord to help you in doing your part. Humility is not doing nothing. Humility is learning with God's help to act always in accord with this verse:

"Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves" Phil 2:3

The underlined part is the key, I believe, to humility. I wish I could always live the part myself. We, all of us believers, should be growing more like Jesus on a daily basis. He needs all of His Body. We need to esteem all of His Body better than we do our own personal selves. Keep on giving God the glory my friend. The Light is still before you.

 

[amadeus2]

Amadeus, Brad, Ceptor....
Come on brothers. I might be sticking up for Ceptor a bit, and I know he hasn't asked me to..... but if ya'll could see his heart you would know that when he says sorry he means it. Why the attacks guys?

Jesus longs for unity in the Body of Christ... lets bring it. We don't need division. We can have discussions with Love.

Absolutely, sister! No attacks intended. Sometimes it is necessary to discuss the issues even as you are doing here with your post. All of us still can learn from one another. I really do love Ceptor. He has many good things to contribute and has contributed. The Truth is not only one man's way... not mine, and not Ceptor's. For Elijah it was the still small voice that he was to follow, but our pathways are not all the same as we are not all the same part of the Body of Christ... but we all do have the same Light before us.

Amadeus, I am fairly new.... but I lived under someone taking scripture out of context as well as teaching me based on what they "experienced in God speaking to them" which now I find (based on a faith in Jesus and the BIBLE) was really not of God. So, yes God can speak to a person in any manner..... but if He speaks to them, won't it be able to be backed up by scripture? In other words, God would not show one person something without showing others or backing it up with scripture right?

Atheists read and study the Bible and use what they learn to attack believers. How is that possible? It is possible because they come to the scripture with the wrong spirit for the wrong purpose. Only through the Holy Spirit can anyone find God's Truth in the Word. The Bible sitting on the shelf unopened is like Jesus on the Christ after he died but before he resurrected. It is a dead carcass. When someone picks it up with an open heart the Holy Spirit will be there with him to reveal what God provides.

 

[amadeus2]

Correction to post #87 from "like Jesus on the Christ" to "like Jesus on the Cross"

 

[Brad Huber]

God can speak to a person in any manner that He decides is appropriate. What book did Abraham read or even the shepherd boy, David? The Bible is a special gift and like all gifts God has given men, it is to be used, but it is not a god. It is a dead letter according to its own words without the quickening of the Spirit.

No one is setting the Bible aside. I read it every day, and I believe that Brad does,

Amen!

I know I never said anything like that. I doubt that Brad, who I have known for a few years, did.

Yes, I would never disagree with scripture, only how people sometimes interpret it, or if they fail to read all about a subject as its discussed all through scripture, not just in a couple of verses. And like you John, I don't always jump into all discussions, unless I believe good can come out of it.

Likewise Ceptor, I did not want to hurt you, but it indeed hurt me that you would think I disregard scripture when I never said I did, but I don't always (LIKE JESUS) respond to disagreements with scripture, but as the Holy Spirit leads me. It was because He didn't always respond with scripture, but with stories, parables, and actions. If He had always used scripture, He would never had been different from the teachers of the law who loved to argue over the meanings of scripture. Be my brother, who is not afraid to discuss anything, but try to avoid assuming things about others, that's all I ask.

 

[Bendito]

What do humans call the people they "helped" create, even if they were turned over to an adoption agency? Even if they are not currently raising them, what do they call them?

LOL They call them their sons or daughters. But what's your point?

 

[Bendito]

Correction to post #87 from "like Jesus on the Christ" to "like Jesus on the Cross"

Sorry my friend....I find this particular post confusing...Help out an old man?

 

[Bendito]

Absolutely, sister! No attacks intended. Sometimes it is necessary to discuss the issues even as you are doing here with your post. All of us still can learn from one another. I really do love Ceptor. He has many good things to contribute and has contributed. The Truth is not only one man's way... not mine, and not Ceptor's. For Elijah it was the still small voice that he was to follow, but our pathways are not all the same as we are not all the same part of the Body of Christ... but we all do have the same Light before us.



Atheists read and study the Bible and use what they learn to attack believers. How is that possible? It is possible because they come to the scripture with the wrong spirit for the wrong purpose. Only through the Holy Spirit can anyone find God's Truth in the Word. The Bible sitting on the shelf unopened is like Jesus on the Christ after he died but before he resurrected. It is a dead carcass. When someone picks it up with an open heart the Holy Spirit will be there with him to reveal what God provides.

Urk!! Jesus on the Christ? Am I misunderstanding here, or is this a simple typo in more than one post?

 

[Brad Huber]

LOL They call them their sons or daughters. But what's your point?

Just follow the lead if you will... why do they call them sons or daughters despite never being in their lives and perhaps never being able to be in their lives, why still call them sons or daughters? Is a son or daughter simply one the same who obeys you?

 

[Bendito]

Just follow the lead if you will... why do they call them sons or daughters despite never being in their lives and perhaps never being able to be in their lives, why still call them sons or daughters? Is a son or daughter simply one the same who obeys you?

Ah! OK I call my daughters my daughters because I fathered them...They are my progeny....God adopted us when we were born again and by blood covenant we are God's progeny. This covenant relationship is stronger than being born of an Earthly father. You know of course that covenant blood is thicker,as they say, than birth water.

 

[Brad Huber]

A Christians relationship to God is quite a bit different then the sons and daughters I was referring to, but for us to think of all non Christians as trash that God has abandoned is just sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo wrong to me. Its like the Pharisee at the temple saying, Thank you God that I am not like that sinner. It is like the brother who is angry that His father welcomed His "son" back despite him not receiving his inheritance.

 

[Bendito]

A Christians relationship to God is quite a bit different then the sons and daughters I was referring to, but for us to think of all non Christians as trash that God has abandoned is just sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo wrong to me. Its like the Pharisee at the temple saying, Thank you God that I am not like that sinner. It is like the brother who is angry that His father welcomed His "son" back despite him not receiving his inheritance.

OMGoodness! It IS wrong to think of the unsaved as trash..God loves them as much as He loves Jesus! and if they are good enough for Him they are plenty good enough for us! But! Being unsaved they are not family...They still belong to the family of Satan and they must follow Jesus through the grave and be born again..Until that time they are not sons and daughters of God...When they get born again the covenant kicks in for them and they are adopted, as we were, and become sons and daughters.

 

[amadeus2]

Sorry my friend....I find this particular post confusing...Help out an old man?

This was a typo I didn't catch until it was too late to correct the original so I submitted another post explaining the error.

 

[Brad Huber]

They are lost, through their own choices, not disowned. God may turn His back to them and their lifestyle, but does He stop loving them? Does God see them as you do?

 

[Bendito]

This was a typo I didn't catch until it was too late to correct the original so I submitted another post explaining the error.

Well that's a relief! I just got in from a quick jaunt to Kentucky, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, and Wisconsin, Minnesota, North Dakota, and then I traveled a little bit....I'm a bit tired. I was worried that I might be missing something. LOL

 

[Brad Huber]

Well that's a relief! I just got in from a quick jaunt to Kentucky, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, and Wisconsin, Minnesota, North Dakota, and then I traveled a little bit....I'm a bit tired. I was worried that I might be missing something. LOL

I am thankful I don't need to travel. Not only am I a home body, but I tend to fall asleep at the wheel on journey's much longer than an hour in time.