Why do i not attend church?

[Waggles]

My daughter visited a church with a friend. Just as a gesture. During the service they all gathered around her,get 2 inches from her face yelling for her to speak in tongues. She said,Daddy i wanted to cry,but i was afraid they would think it was the Spirit and i didnt know what they would do. That turned here against those type denominations for life. Me too frankly. Those people were lunatics.

I think much of the problem is America.
In the real world there are good churches that do their worship and living in decent orderly manner.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Show me one place he did AFTER this event.

Rhema

How about the first verse in the next chapter? Just a few lines after your quote?

Now it hppened in Iconium that they went together to the synagogue of the Jews, and so spoke that a great multitude of both of the Jews and of the Greeks believed. (Acts 14:1)

 

[Rhema]

My daughter visited a church with a friend. Just as a gesture. During the service they all gathered around her,get 2 inches from her face yelling for her to speak in tongues.

I am so sorry to hear of this.

Not all are like this. Even if most, not all.

Back in college, I took some classmates to the Presbyterian church I was attending. They had never gone to any church before. Of course I wind up with the GIVE ME MONEY annual tithes and offerings sermon. Sigh.

Same thing just happened last year with a friend.

Damage done, but we persevere.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

How about the first verse in the next chapter? Just a few lines after your quote?

Thank you !! Good eye. Good catch.

So then Paul's hissy-fit in chapter 13 had no teeth in it? He was just blowing off steam? I see "synagogue" on down into chapter 19...

(Acts 19:9-10 KJV) But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them (the Jews in the synagogue), and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus. And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.​

Did Paul ever abandon the Jews then? Or did he just use the synagogue as a temporary foothold till he could set up churches?

Again, thanks,
Rhema

 

[Waggles]

Or did he just use the synagogue as a temporary foothold till he could set up churches?

Once synagogues were abandoned then those of 'The Way' began to meet in houses of disciples.

Romans 16:5 and salute the elect in their house. Salute Epænetus my beloved, who is the first fruit of Asia unto Christ.
1Cor 16:19 The elect of Asia salute you. Aquila and Prisca salute you much in the Lord, with the church in their house.

 

[lentz]

I am so sorry to hear of this.

Not all are like this. Even if most, not all.

Back in college, I took some classmates to the Presbyterian church I was attending. They had never gone to any church before. Of course I wind up with the GIVE ME MONEY annual tithes and offerings sermon. Sigh.

Same thing just happened last year with a friend.

Damage done, but we persevere.

Rhema

You have heard of j. vernon mcgee then? His studies is what i am into now. The 5 year thru the bible . Great teacher.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Thank you !! Good eye. Good catch.

So then Paul's hissy-fit in chapter 13 had no teeth in it? He was just blowing off steam? I see "synagogue" on down into chapter 19...

(Acts 19:9-10 KJV) But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them (the Jews in the synagogue), and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus. And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.​

Did Paul ever abandon the Jews then? Or did he just use the synagogue as a temporary foothold till he could set up churches?

Again, thanks,
Rhema

You be the judge of that, man. In the eyes of God, there's no Jew or Greek, only believers and unbelievers.

 

[Rhema]

Once synagogues were abandoned then those of 'The Way' began to meet in houses of disciples.

Well, Waggles, I understand this, I was just wondering what @Jonathan_Gale view was.

It's obvious that as more Gentiles started to embrace this newfangled religion that crowds of Romans wouldn't be very welcome in the synagogues or pay the membership dues. Not sure if this is worldwide, but at least here in the NE USA, if you wish to attend a synagogue, you have to sign a membership contract (enforcible in court) whereby you present your 1040 income tax return, and pay your dues of 10%. This seems to have been the case even back in Jesus' time.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

You have heard of j. vernon mcgee then?

Not until now. The only Presbyterian of note whom I've met personally was Dr. Francis Schaeffer.

I see McGee broke from the Presbyterian church in 1955 over the "liberal leadership," whatever that might mean.

The 5 year thru the bible . Great teacher.

Maybe. There's no way I could know since he's passed away.

I'm not sure if the doctrines of "Sola Fide" and OSAS are any better than strict Calvinism.

But, you know, if your're into that....

Some of the hyper-dispensationalists I've spoken with have even dispensed with the teachings of Jesus, considering them to be irrelevant to salvation.

We could talk about that, have a conversation, but I've not found any that are actually open to reason.

People have a lot of unfounded, weird religious beliefs that they just make up, unable to provide actual scriptural support, and they cling to these with dear life.

But as Jesus said, "Watch!" Which is, of course, a call to prudence and caution when listening to anyone, even me.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

You be the judge of that, man.

Okay, I see you have no viewpoint to share.

God bless,
Rhema

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Okay, I see you have no viewpoint to share.

God bless,
Rhema

I knew where you were going with your quote and emphasis. What Paul did was simply setting them into study groups to debate on Scripture, that’s a common practice till this day, and yet you were implying that Paul was a segregationist who separated them by race under your premise of “the tie was severed”, therefore since your mind is set, you be the judge of that.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Well, Waggles, I understand this, I was just wondering what @Jonathan_Gale view was.

Matthew 23:37-39

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

 

[Rhema]

I knew where you were going with your quote and emphasis. What Paul did was simply setting them into study groups to debate on Scripture, that’s a common practice till this day, and yet you were implying that Paul was a segregationist who separated them by race under your premise of “the tie was severed”, therefore since your mind is set, you be the judge of that.

Race ?? What the heck are you smoking?

Any segregation of Paul would be by religion, although I am aware of the Jewish claim to BE a second race. But hardly anyone outside of academia knows about this, so it's a topic I don't discuss.

But Paul quite clearly advocates for segregation...

(1 Corinthians 5:11 KJV) But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.​

Whether you like the definition or not, that IS segregation.... uh, by definition "the policy of keeping one group of people apart from another and treating them differently,"

segregation

1. the policy of keeping one group of people apart from another and treating…

dictionary.cambridge.org

So NO.. you didn't "know where I was going with this." And your presumption is offensive, but I can forgive you for that.

What Paul did was simply setting them into study groups to debate on Scripture,

Study groups ?? My word... (although technically I don't know whom you mean by "them").

This hardly sounds like a "study group."

(Colossians 3:16 KJV) Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.​

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(1 Corinthians 14:26 KJV) How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.​

But thanks for trying,
Rhema

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Race ?? What the heck are you smoking?

Any segregation of Paul would be by religion, although I am aware of the Jewish claim to BE a second race. But hardly anyone outside of academia knows about this, so it's a topic I don't discuss.

But Paul quite clearly advocates for segregation...

(1 Corinthians 5:11 KJV) But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
Whether you like the definition or not, that IS segregation.... uh, by definition "the policy of keeping one group of people apart from another and treating them differently,"

In the passage you quote, Paul was instructing believers to disassociate with unbelievers - and "carnal Christians" who are "fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner" just like unbelievers, you wanna call that "segregation", suit yourself. The word of God states otherwise:

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. - Gal. 3:28

 

[KingJ]

I was Pastor of a General Baptist Church in the early 80s. So i am aware of how denominations work. I left General Baptist because they would turn away ministers if they divorced sometime in their life. Twisting husband of one wife. I disagree with all denominations and cannot find one seeking truth,but just pushing their own beliefs.
I care nothing for listening to a sermon in church. I feel bible study is the way to fellowship. Others doctrines do not impress me at all.

Turning away ministers because ''they'' divorced someone is a very good precedent to set. Kudo's to those churches!!

Scripturally sound practice!!! Unless you can provide scriptures that say otherwise?

Jesus Himself said in Matt 5:32 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Adulterers got stoned to death in the OT. Yet you would approve of them teaching from the pulpit?

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

I was Pastor of a General Baptist Church in the early 80s. So i am aware of how denominations work. I left General Baptist because they would turn away ministers if they divorced sometime in their life. Twisting husband of one wife. I disagree with all denominations and cannot find one seeking truth,but just pushing their own beliefs.
I care nothing for listening to a sermon in church. I feel bible study is the way to fellowship. Others doctrines do not impress me at all.

Just praise the Lord, teach the bible and share testimonies, get rid of all these distractions you mentioned.

 

[Rhema]

you wanna call that "segregation", suit yourself.

Sir, I gave you the LINK to the Cambridge English Dictionary. If you want make up your own definitions, then ... suit yourself

 

[Rhema]

Adulterers got stoned to death in the OT. Yet you would approve of them teaching from the pulpit?

Well that's not how I read @lentz post, but I'll let him clarify if need be.

Rhema

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Sir, I gave you the LINK to the Cambridge English Dictionary. If you want make up your own definitions, then ... suit yourself

If you rely on the word of Cambridge rather than the word of God, suit yourself.

 

[Waggles]

This is why TalkJesus has 12,496 members, but only two dozen active members.
The threads degenerate into a slanging match between these small number of members.