Why do i not attend church?

[lentz]

I stand corrected on it as well actually. I read it and was like, "crap on me, its not what I first thought"

(God bless as well, and I am a Sister in Christ, but no worries I do that all the time myself)

I apologise sister.
And happy mothers day

 

[PloughBoy]

Amos 3:3
Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

The Institutional Churches of Christianity are all "Divided" and The Institutional Churches they all will not stand, For God will destroy them all. and those 2 names will never exist again or even remembered, that such a organization exited, it shall be erase from our being" when GOD Shake this EARTH it cannot Remain"

If The world Only knew and believe; "That he IS "GOD" and He is Not Liken Unto ANOTHER and has Another's ways:

Hebrews 12:26 BSB

An Unshakable Kingdom
…25See to it that you do not refuse Him who speaks. For if the people did not escape when they refused Him who warned them on earth, how much less will we escape if we reject Him who warns us from heaven? 26At that time His Voice Shook The Earth, but now He has Promised, “Once More I Will Shake Not Only The Earth, BUT HEAVEN AS WELL.” 27The words “Once more” Signify The Removal Of What Can Be Shaken—That is, Created Things—so that the unshakable may remain.…

And many do not know the Difference between a man made Institution called "A Circe" and "The Sons of GOD' that is Created in "Christ Jesus" who Are "Born of GOD" who are "Born from ABOVE" Who has had A "Heavenly Birth" something a earthly church have no idea what we are and How we were born. For we are not of Those who "Join" for we are "Born" To "Inherit" Everything That God Our Father Has, Throughout All Eternity, That Means Everything And His Kingdom Has No End. WE INHERIT EVEN THE AIR , THAT "The Millennium Kingdom people" breathe," belongs to us, and it is going to pass away. For he has Given us HIS KINGDOM not some of it, But ALL!!!

GOD the FATHER"S KINGDOM! Natural Israel, never seen us coming! Neither did the Angels of GOD or any of The Prophets of GOD. "For we were HIDDEN IN CHRIST"

For we are not the Saints of GOD coming out of the "Old"and we are not "The People of GOD" coming out of "great tribulation or them coming out of "The Millennium" for we Are "INDICATIVE" The Sons of THE LIVING GOD, By Birth And Adoption and we will "MANIFEST HIS GLORY" Throughout ALL ETERNITY! We are "HIS GLORY" and all CREATION awaits OUR UNVEILING! They all will see, all creation will see what it all, was about! Even those in hell They all will see us and Look upon WHAT GOD the FATHER has Done, the Mountains ,the hills, the water. the AIR, The animals, The SUN and ALL The STARS will see What GOD our Father Has DONE in Us, Every Saint of GOD will behold us. The Wind will behold us and be amazed!

All of this is in "THE BOOK" "behold I come in The Volume of The Book it is written of me! you cannot, behold him in verses, for verses are not "The WORD of GOD" neither can a verse unveil HIM!


How Can one look at one small bottle of paint on a table and behold The Painted Picture, on the WALL in the Bottle of one color that has never been struck by "The Painters Brush"?

Oh yes it is "The GOSPEL ACCORDING TO Jesus Christ" No prophet no man or woman or another kind of Creature has every Heard, The Old Testament people never even heard of such a "Proclamation" Announcement, What GOD the FATHER was doing and was GOING to DO. "It all was hidden IN "Christ Jesus" No one Knew what GOD the FATHER was, is doing In Christ. He was More than A KING , JESUS, HE IS THE SON of GOD WALKING IN THE FLESH!

And the whole world still do not know it, even many who say they believe. do not believe. They do not Even believe in His WRITTEN WORD. For they are even Bored of It. HIs Word, Do Bores them.



But when he Cracks that sky, and they get a look at Our eyes and Our body and Our horses and the Whiteness of Our robes, and The tone of Our Voices, Game over!

 

[MedicBravo]

GIven how bad marriage has become in America at least, one is hard pressed to stay married only once.
I was married for 7 years (long story) with a woman who I loved very much. We weren't Christians and weren't good spouses.
There's NO way I could've convinced her to help "fix" our marriage especially after she cheated while I was on a deployment. No matter what is done, you can't force people to stay in a marriage. God doesn't force people.
I've no the gift of being a Pastor but I know mine is in being a Helper.
Marriage is tough enough but a Christian marriage is likely a lot harder.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I must expound....
Members of doctrinal institutions are so childish and get their wee feelings hurt every single day.
Plus the doctrines are foolish.
One wants closed communion another open.
Some eternal security of the believer some not. Some only worship on Saturday. Some think if a divorced person remarries they are living in aduktry. Some believe to be baptized you must be dunk,others sprinkle,some no matter how many times you were baptized,you must be baptized by their church. Some think if your not baptized your not saved. Some believe tongues is still a gift. Others know better. Some heal ,handle snakes andwhat all.
In conclusion,i dont attend church because their is no one like minded in any denominations.

So, you've "forsaken the gathering of yourselves together", because nobody is good enough for you to bother with.

Oh well.

 

[lentz]

So, you've "forsaken the gathering of yourselves together", because nobody is good enough for you to bother with.

Oh well.

True. I find them all as arrogant as you

 

[Oseas]

IMO today’s onslaught of LGBTQ propaganda is a litmus test for any Christian. It’s NOT an identity, but a cultish practice traced back to Ancient Greece, and further back to the Canaanites. If a pastor condones or affirms this, then stop attending his church, get out of there.

The satanic environment of the current Devil's world, as Sodom and Gomorrah, It is not a surprise. By the way, the true believers are not looking to what the storytellers say, as it was described by you in your reply, but they are looking to what matters and prevails, that is, what JESUS said according Luke 17:28-30:
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; (NOTE: but they didn't get married, the prostitution was widespread, vulgar / common.)

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the Day when the Son of man is revealed. - the LORD's Day - the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennnium, even now in the turn of this new Day according Matthew 25:6 combined with Genesis 3:8-9.

Get ready

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

What I found interesting in the word “meet” as being “ betrothed” was what God said about Adam not being alone.

Notice the word “meet”

Genesis 2:18
And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Genesis 2:20
And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

But when I looked at the Strongs meaning of the word meet in the above it combines both the word help with meet, and shows it as help meet , with the definition meaning help.

But that makes no sense to me that the word meet there would be the same word or definition as help. That would be like God saying “I will make an help help for him”

That makes no sense. I always thought that word meet there might mean fit or suited. Like God saying “ I will make an help fit for him” or perhaps “I will make a help suited for him”

I just never really looked into that word meet.

I see what you are saying, and I thought the same but you know in looking at the two words that are being compared between them are actually different from each other too. For example the word meet in Genesis for the help meet (for the woman helper) is actually a masculine noun while the word meet (or cause to meet) which is found under the word agreed is a verb. Or rather the word agreed is a verb and under it's definition shows its synonymous with cause to meet. It doesn't seem to be an apples to apples comparison between them either.

I never thought to look at the word agreed in a verse which I have posted so often myself.

This word is a verb but means (what I think) I would have thought the other verse implied

2 Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Not the same word, but similarly, the idea of agreeing (when it comes to keeping company with certain others) Paul had to clarify what he meant

1 Co 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle (which epistle?) not to company with fornicators:

He clarifies,

1 Co 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

1 Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

1 Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

1 Cr 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

That would mean those within the church cant call themselves a brother and be practicing those things which are typical of those who are without (whom God judges)

Although that is off 1 Co 5:1 and Paul writes them yet again concerning what appears to be this man fornicating in the way he was and in 2 Co 2:6 he was repentant and would be restored by them.

These days though it seems like some pastors are into the rainbow thing and endorsing sexual immorality so in that case people will either keep the teachers in accordance with their own lusts or depart from the congregation of the dead.

 

[vhusley]

The church is not the building it's the people why does one need to go to a building YH does not ask His children to do so n YH does not tell His children to collect money for speaking the Word
Sad fact is most the temples that so many call churches lead the blind into sin in every meeting they have n sad fact is those who lead n those who follow would see this if they would put their Faith in YH n not in man

So many willing to spoon feed n so few Truly Seei YH for their answers n those who seek man r those who r usually led by the blind

The Christian Temples are some cold hearted places I've experienced many from non denominational to all the others except for the seventh day ones haven't had a chance to visit one yet

But with that said ponder this

Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

6 For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

N remember

Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.


I hope where Eva u reside u have a True Church n not just one make out of stone n clay but as for where I reside

They r not of YH those are very minimal n I personally haven't encountered one in ova 30 yrs

Twistie

I didn’t think I mentioned anything about a “building.” My post was about the church BODY.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Get ready

Yes, we need real, mature churches that prepare us for the perilous time and equip us with the full armor of God, instead of rock concert and TED talks.

 

[lentz]

Yes, we need real, mature churches that prepare us for the perilous time and equip us with the full armor of God, instead of rock concert and TED talks.

The perilous times will come regardless. What the Body needs is told or shown how to walk worthy and holy in His righteousness. By growing in the fruit of the spirit.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

I see what you are saying, and I thought the same but you know in looking at the two words that are being compared between them are actually different from each other too. For example the word meet in Genesis for the help meet (for the woman helper) is actually a masculine noun while the word meet (or cause to meet) which is found under the word agreed is a verb. Or rather the word agreed is a verb and under it's definition shows its synonymous with cause to meet. It doesn't seem to be an apples to apples comparison between them either.

I never thought to look at the word agreed in a verse which I have posted so often myself.

This word is a verb but means (what I think) I would have thought the other verse implied

2 Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Not the same word, but similarly, the idea of agreeing (when it comes to keeping company with certain others) Paul had to clarify what he meant

1 Co 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle (which epistle?) not to company with fornicators:

He clarifies,

1 Co 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

1 Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

1 Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

1 Cr 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

That would mean those within the church cant call themselves a brother and be practicing those things which are typical of those who are without (whom God judges)

Although that is off 1 Co 5:1 and Paul writes them yet again concerning what appears to be this man fornicating in the way he was and in 2 Co 2:6 he was repentant and would be restored by them.

These days though it seems like some pastors are into the rainbow thing and endorsing sexual immorality so in that case people will either keep the teachers in accordance with their own lusts or depart from the congregation of the dead.

I agree, the words are not the same.

And I agree about not having fellowship with the harlot church system.

1 Corinthians 6:15-16

King James Version

​

15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

The perilous times will come regardless. What the Body needs is told or shown how to walk worthy and holy in His righteousness. By growing in the fruit of the spirit.

Sir, you've probably heard this before, that a Christian's duty is to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. Traditionally most churches only focus on gospel preaching and church growth, which is, comfort the afflicted; but now it's time to afflict the comfortable, to expose the spiritual darkness from Satan, to convict us of our complacency, and to face the world's increasing hostility against us. We can't afford to be Laodiceans anymore, there's no more comfort zones for us to hide.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Brother, you need THE church. WE need the church! You need to be part of a body….THE body….of believers. And you need a man of God….a shepherd….in your life.
Both of these things are
Biblical.
You are never going to find an individual church or denomination where everyone is “getting it right” all the time. That didn’t even happen in the early days of the church. Why do you think Paul had to write all those letters?
But we are told to “not forsake our own assembling together…” (Hebrews 10:25)

No church is perfect. But there IS a BODY of true believers out there interspersed among them….and some are holding on to crucial pieces of spiritual truth that believers need. THE church is the BODY. It is the BRIDE of
Christ.
One man operating alone goes against the whole concept of being a part of the Body. Doesn’t it?

The “Bible Study only” approach is not bad….it’s certainly better than nothing….but it does not fully align with God’s plan for us as THE Church. We are supposed to be operating in the Gifts of the Spirit to edify (build up) the church. Aren’t we?

What of Paul’s words in Ephesians 4:11? What about 1 Corinthians 12:28? Are we to simply write these off?
Maybe you should go back and read Paul’s teachings in 1 Corinthians 12 and pray/meditate on it and ask the Holy Spirit to illuminate it.
Jesus created the church. He established church order. Paul elaborated and helped to keep that order aligned in the early churches.
The organized church has always had its place and always will until endtimes prophesy is fulfilled. We can’t just disregard that…..or we shouldn’t.

Be blessed my friend.

Nowhere in the bible does it say we must go to church. Nowhere! Yes it does say we should not forsake the gathering of ourselves together, but what does that really mean? I gather myself together with my wife and my daughters....we are keeping that commandment. You sit down over coffee with a friend and study or discuss the Word...you are fulfilling that commandment....The bible does not say we must gather by the hundreds in a glass cathederal to listen to a preacher expound on world events

 

[B-A-C]

Yes it does say we should not forsake the gathering of ourselves together, but what does that really mean? I gather myself together with my wife and my daughters....we are keeping that commandment. You sit down over coffee with a friend and study or discuss the Word...you are fulfilling that commandment

True, if they are believers, then you are gathering together. But only if they are believers. In that case, they are your church.

Matt 18:20; "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst."

If your coffee friend discusses the Bible, but he isn't a believer, then that doesn't count.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

True, if they are believers, then you are gathering together. But only if they are believers. In that case, they are your church.

Matt 18:20; "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst."

If your coffee friend discusses the Bible, but he isn't a believer, then that doesn't count.

In that case would YOU not be sharing the gospel? Like churches do....theoretically

 

[B-A-C]

In that case would YOU not be sharing the gospel? Like churches do....theoretically

You might be going to the wrong church.

There is a fine line between witnessing, outreach, evangelism, and preaching, teaching the Bible.

One is for non-believers, the other is for believers. A church can do both, but they aren't the same thing.
Everyone has to begin somewhere, very few people know the Bible really well before they get saved.
So you learn enough of the Gospel to get saved. At the instant you accept Jesus a lot of things change.
You no longer need to learn enough to get saved, you already are. But you need to learn more to know
God's plan. For you and for the world. How He wants you to live. How He wants to have a relationship with you.

At most churches I have attended, the Sunday morning service is the "seeker" service. Basic salvation is
preached, and usually there is an altar call. All other services, Sunday morning Sunday school,
Sunday evening service, Wednesday evening Bible study, Friday night youth, etc... are primarily for people who are already
saved. But even then, there can be some cross-over between the two.

 

[vhusley]

If we don’t need an organized church, why did God create the fivefold ministry? (Ephesians 4) Why does Paul give such extensive, and specific instruction on church leadership in his 1st letter to Timothy (1Timothy 2-3)? In fact, why would the vast majority of Paul’s writings address the church, church order, and church structure if an organized church weren’t essential?
Why did Christ even establish a church to begin with if He didn’t deem it necessary to His plans for spreading the gospel? Are we to simply disregard all of this based on our “FEELINGS” about “organized religion” and modern church gatherings?

And anyone who has the least bit of knowledge and discernment, understands what scripture means when it says, “forsake not the gathering together….”
It only takes us reading the passage in full context and looking at whom the writer of Hebrews was addressing to know it’s not talking about you and your immediate family…..it’s talking about a gathering of “brothers” and “sisters”……likeminded believers unified in spirit and in purpose.

 

[vhusley]

Nowhere in the bible does it say we must go to church. Nowhere! Yes it does say we should not forsake the gathering of ourselves together, but what does that really mean? I gather myself together with my wife and my daughters....we are keeping that commandment. You sit down over coffee with a friend and study or discuss the Word...you are fulfilling that commandment....The bible does not say we must gather by the hundreds in a glass cathederal to listen to a preacher expound on world events

If we don’t need an organized church, why did God create the fivefold ministry? (Ephesians 4) Why does Paul give such extensive, and specific instruction on church leadership in his 1st letter to Timothy (1Timothy 2-3)? In fact, why would the vast majority of Paul’s writings address the church, church order, and church structure if an organized church weren’t essential?
Why did Christ even establish a church to begin with if He didn’t deem it necessary to His plans for spreading the gospel? Are we to simply disregard all of this based on our “FEELINGS” about “organized religion” and modern church gatherings?

And anyone who has the least bit of knowledge and discernment, understands what scripture means when it says, “forsake not the gathering together….”
It only takes us reading the passage in full context and looking at whom the writer of Hebrews was addressing to know it’s not talking about you and your immediate family…..it’s talking about a gathering of “brothers” and “sisters”……likeminded believers unified in spirit and in purpose.

 

[vhusley]

You might be going to the wrong church.

There is a fine line between witnessing, outreach, evangelism, and preaching, teaching the Bible.

One is for non-believers, the other is for believers. A church can do both, but they aren't the same thing.
Everyone has to begin somewhere, very few people know the Bible really well before they get saved.
So you learn enough of the Gospel to get saved. At the instant you accept Jesus a lot of things change.
You no longer need to learn enough to get saved, you already are. But you need to learn more to know
God's plan. For you and for the world. How He wants you to live. How He wants to have a relationship with you.

At most churches I have attended, the Sunday morning service is the "seeker" service. Basic salvation is
preached, and usually there is an altar call. All other services, Sunday morning Sunday school,
Sunday evening service, Wednesday evening Bible study, Friday night youth, etc... are primarily for people who are already
saved. But even then, there can be some cross-over between the two.

Great points! and this is EXACTLY why God gives the Fivefold Ministry (Eph 4). He calls some to Shepherd (preach to/lead the flock), some to teach, some to evangelize (spread the gospel message); and still others he calls to be Apostles (church planters) or Prophets. ALL are essential offices/ministries to accomplishing God's Kingdom work!

 

[Waggles]

You cannot fulfill scripture and be obedient to the will of GOD unless you gather together for as the body of Christ -

1Cor 14:26 What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up.
27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret.
28 But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God.
29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said.
30 If a revelation is made to another sitting there, let the first be silent.
31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged,
32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets.
33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints,
34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.
35 If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
36 Or was it from you that the word of God came? Or are you the only ones it has reached?
37 If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord.
38 If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.
39 So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.
40 But all things should be done decently and in order.

You cannot operate the voice gifts of the Holy Spirit unless the elect come together for a meeting.