Why do i not attend church?

[Waggles]

1Cor 11:17 But in the following instructions I do not commend you, because when you come together it is not for the better but for the worse.
18 For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you. And I believe it in part,
19 for there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized.
20 When you come together, it is not the Lord's supper that you eat.

 

[Twistie]

If we don’t need an organized church, why did God create the fivefold ministry? (Ephesians 4) Why does Paul give such extensive, and specific instruction on church leadership in his 1st letter to Timothy (1Timothy 2-3)? In fact, why would the vast majority of Paul’s writings address the church, church order, and church structure if an organized church weren’t essential?
Why did Christ even establish a church to begin with if He didn’t deem it necessary to His plans for spreading the gospel? Are we to simply disregard all of this based on our “FEELINGS” about “organized religion” and modern church gatherings?

And anyone who has the least bit of knowledge and discernment, understands what scripture means when it says, “forsake not the gathering together….”
It only takes us reading the passage in full context and looking at whom the writer of Hebrews was addressing to know it’s not talking about you and your immediate family…..it’s talking about a gathering of “brothers” and “sisters”……likeminded believers unified in spirit and in purpose.

Sure b nice to find a few most follow the preachers words ova YHs Word so I have speak about YH to whomever wanna hear n that would consist of believers n non believers n those who r sitting on the fence

Even a Sea monster feeds their own
As it is written

N if I was to try n wait to purposely attend a gathering most likely it b a gathering of the blind being led by blind

Twistie

 

[B-A-C]

N if I was to try n wait to purposely attend a gathering most likely it b a gathering of the blind being led by blind

The blind with friends are better off than a blind person alone.

 

[Twistie]

The blind with friends are better off than a blind person alone.

Naw a blind on their own will tend to seek YH first them the blind leading the blind

I was once a blind loner

Twistie

 

[Twistie]

I didn’t think I mentioned anything about a “building.” My post was about the church BODY.

So you don't attend the same building week in n week out I suppose like the blind do here

Twistie

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

You might be going to the wrong church.

There is a fine line between witnessing, outreach, evangelism, and preaching, teaching the Bible.

One is for non-believers, the other is for believers. A church can do both, but they aren't the same thing.
Everyone has to begin somewhere, very few people know the Bible really well before they get saved.
So you learn enough of the Gospel to get saved. At the instant you accept Jesus a lot of things change.
You no longer need to learn enough to get saved, you already are. But you need to learn more to know
God's plan. For you and for the world. How He wants you to live. How He wants to have a relationship with you.

At most churches I have attended, the Sunday morning service is the "seeker" service. Basic salvation is
preached, and usually there is an altar call. All other services, Sunday morning Sunday school,
Sunday evening service, Wednesday evening Bible study, Friday night youth, etc... are primarily for people who are already
saved. But even then, there can be some cross-over between the two.

While I know that there are good churches out there, I do not know of any personally. I do know that finding Gods will is not our primary goal. We are here to glorify Him and we can only do that by getting to KNOW Him. The only way to get to know Him is to spend major time with Him....to walk with Him. As did Enoch, as did Noah...as did Moses... Few if any churches teach that...being 'friends' with God

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

If we don’t need an organized church, why did God create the fivefold ministry? (Ephesians 4) Why does Paul give such extensive, and specific instruction on church leadership in his 1st letter to Timothy (1Timothy 2-3)? In fact, why would the vast majority of Paul’s writings address the church, church order, and church structure if an organized church weren’t essential?
Why did Christ even establish a church to begin with if He didn’t deem it necessary to His plans for spreading the gospel? Are we to simply disregard all of this based on our “FEELINGS” about “organized religion” and modern church gatherings?

And anyone who has the least bit of knowledge and discernment, understands what scripture means when it says, “forsake not the gathering together….”
It only takes us reading the passage in full context and looking at whom the writer of Hebrews was addressing to know it’s not talking about you and your immediate family…..it’s talking about a gathering of “brothers” and “sisters”……likeminded believers unified in spirit and in purpose.

You're leaving out the fact that the early Christians met in homes not church buildings...and the fact that the church was still loosely organized, with the five fold ministry functioning well....without all the churchianity protocols

 

[Bob Carabbio]

True. I find them all as arrogant as you

Chuckle!! You're writing the whole church off because they're not good enough for you, and I'M the arrogant one????

Get real.

 

[vhusley]

So you don't attend the same building week in n week out I suppose like the blind do here

Twistie

Sure, I attend church in a building! What does it matter WHERE followers of Jesus gather? Jesus taught in the temple as well as on the mountain side and by the seaside. Paul taught in synagogues as well as on the roadsides. The 120 in the upper room (where the first recorded church meeting was recorded in the book of Acts) were gathered in a building…..and yet God’s Holy Spirit still came upon them there. It’s not about the building…..unless you make it about “the building.” I agree, many modern churches have….but that doesn’t mean that EVERYONE who worships God today in an organized church….and in a building is in error. There are those who seek God with all their heart INSIDE BUILDINGS……in organized church gatherings. And last time I checked, God makes good on His promises……that “whoever seeks Him with all their heart, will find Him.” And that where “two or more are gathered in His name, there He will be!”

 

[vhusley]

You're leaving out the fact that the early Christians met in homes not church buildings...and the fact that the church was still loosely organized, with the five fold ministry functioning well....without all the churchianity protocols

Sure they met in homes, and catacombs, and on roadsides, seasides, and mountainsides….but Jesus also taught in the temple.
Paul, Barnabas, Timothy and others also taught in synagogues. The Apostle Paul also established at least 14 different ORGANIZED churches that he gave explicit instructions to in regards to organization and order.

You would deny this?

 

[Twistie]

Sure, I attend church in a building! What does it matter WHERE followers of Jesus gather? Jesus taught in the temple as well as on the mountain side and by the seaside. Paul taught in synagogues as well as on the roadsides. The 120 in the upper room (where the first recorded church meeting was recorded in the book of Acts) were gathered in a building…..and yet God’s Holy Spirit still came upon them there. It’s not about the building…..unless you make it about “the building.” I agree, many modern churches have….but that doesn’t mean that EVERYONE who worships God today in an organized church….and in a building is in error. There are those who seek God with all their heart INSIDE BUILDINGS……in organized church gatherings. And last time I checked, God makes good on His promises……that “whoever seeks Him with all their heart, will find Him.” And that where “two or more are gathered in His name, there He will be!”

Hey as long as yall r really like a family n see each other outside of that building
YH knows but as I had said before it is written

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
[6] But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly

YH is not an organization

We were neva told to go build buildings we were told to untie together

No one is above another n no one should take payment for reciting the Word

sad fact most seek man to teach them the Word instead of seeking YH

me I don't go in them temples no more besides I'm not welcomed in them frfr

But if ur blessed enough to have a true church a spiritual family that u can count on in the hard times as well as the good then consider urself blessed cause its written remnants.....


Twistie

 

[Twistie]

Sure they met in homes, and catacombs, and on roadsides, seasides, and mountainsides….but Jesus also taught in the temple.
Paul, Barnabas, Timothy and others also taught in synagogues. The Apostle Paul also established at least 14 different ORGANIZED churches that he gave explicit instructions to in regards to organization and order.

You would deny this?

N the temple curtain torn crumbled when they crucified Him did it not??

We r told not to put Burdens on our brothers n sisters n that building the upkeep the electric? Or gas ?? Taxes??

Whom pays for all that??

Twistie

 

[vhusley]

No one is above another n no one should take payment for reciting the Word




Twistie

I understand where you are coming from, and I dont really want this to turn into an argument, but have you read 1 Corinthians Chapter 9? Perhaps you should. Paul clearly makes the point that preachers (who are truly shepherding the flock according to God’s will) have the right to financial support from the church…..even though he refused to accept it.

There’s nothing wrong with a pastor being supported by the church….in fact… it’s biblical. I agree there are many out of order, who take advantage of it, and those who preach only for for personal gain…..but none of that changes God’s Word on the matter. In fact, Paul warns that few should become preachers or teachers because they will stand before God and be judged to a higher standard.

 

[Twistie]

I understand where you are coming from, and I dont really want this to turn into an argument, but have you read 1 Corinthians Chapter 9? Perhaps you should. Paul clearly makes the point that preachers (who are truly shepherding the flock according to God’s will) have the right to financial support from the church…..even though he refused to accept it.

There’s nothing wrong with a pastor being supported by the church….in fact… it’s biblical. I agree there are many out of order, who take advantage of it, and those who preach o my for personal gain…..but none of that changes God’s Word on the matter.

Ya right not an argument that's horrible for anyone to take payment for speaking the Word
Tell me does that man help u when u low on food or can't pay a bill?
Has he eva been to ya house to check on u when u was sick
Does that man know everyone that is coming to see him ? Does he make an effort to go see them?
Does he claim a title?

Like I said before at one time people needed man to preach the Word these days we don't need man to tell us what the Word says for the most part we can read the Word for ourselves n there r also audio n video bibles
We r all just brothers n sisters n should b meeting up to pray n sharpen each other n breaking bread frfr

There is nothing u can quote that will turn my view on this I'm taught by YH n I believe the Word of YH ova man's own understanding

Twistie

 

[vhusley]

N the temple curtain torn crumbled when they crucified Him did it not??

We r told not to put Burdens on our brothers n sisters n that building the upkeep the electric? Or gas ?? Taxes??

Whom pays for all that??

Twistie

THE Church of Jesus Christ was established AFTER what happened in the temple. The gathering on the Day of Pentecost happened AFTER the rending of the veil. The churches Paul established and helped to administer were all built AFTER this as well.
What happened there was symbolic of the New Covenant and anyone and everyone now having access to the Holy Spirit. Gods Holy Spirit would now dwell IN man, in US….not in a place…..like a building.

But none of that negates the organized church.
In fact, why is Jesus referred to as “the cornerstone”? Why is Peter called “the rock”? Why was Christ called “the stone the builders rejected?” All of these refer to the building of an established “STRUCTURE.”
You think that’s coincidence?

 

[vhusley]

Ya right not an argument that's horrible for anyone to take payment for speaking the Word
Tell me does that man help u when u low on food or can't pay a bill?
Has he eva been to ya house to check on u when u was sick
Does that man know everyone that is coming to see him ? Does he make an effort to go see them?
Does he claim a title?

Like I said before at one time people needed man to preach the Word these days we don't need man to tell us what the Word says for the most part we can read the Word for ourselves n there r also audio n video bibles
We r all just brothers n sisters n should b meeting up to pray n sharpen each other n breaking bread frfr

There is nothing u can quote that will turn my view on this I'm taught by YH n I believe the Word of YH ova man's own understanding

Twistie

My pastor has helped MANY people financially. Our church feeds over 150 families EVERY WEEK. We give more money to missions and charities than we take in…..because God provides!

 

[Twistie]

THE Church of Jesus Christ was established AFTER what happened in the temple. The gathering on the Day of Pentecost happened AFTER the rending of the veil. The churches Paul established and helped to administer were all built AFTER this as well.
What happened there was symbolic of the New Covenant and anyone and everyone now having access to the Holy Spirit. Gods Holy Spirit would now dwell IN man, in US….not in a place…..like a building.

But none of that negates the organized church.
In fact, why is Jesus referred to as “the cornerstone”? Why is Peter called “the rock”? Why was Christ called “the stone the builders rejected?” All of these refer to the building of an established “STRUCTURE.”
You think that’s coincidence?

Ya need to ponder with YH

The Truth will always b the truth no matter how many believe a lie

Ponder with YH stop asking man He truly does speak to His children

 

[vhusley]

Ya right not an argument that's horrible for anyone to take payment for speaking the Word
Tell me does that man help u when u low on food or can't pay a bill?
Has he eva been to ya house to check on u when u was sick
Does that man know everyone that is coming to see him ? Does he make an effort to go see them?
Does he claim a title?

Like I said before at one time people needed man to preach the Word these days we don't need man to tell us what the Word says for the most part we can read the Word for ourselves n there r also audio n video bibles
We r all just brothers n sisters n should b meeting up to pray n sharpen each other n breaking bread frfr

There is nothing u can quote that will turn my view on this I'm taught by YH n I believe the Word of YH ova man's own understanding

Twistie

I’m not quoting ANYTHING except the Word of God. If you choose to deny what it says….that’s on you friend.
Be blessed!

 

[Twistie]

My pastor has helped MANY people financially. Our church feeds over 150 families EVERY WEEK. We give more money to missions and charities than we take in…..because God provides!

But ya can't answer no questions that was put out

One can get mad glad happy sad but truth is truth

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Nowhere in the bible does it say we must go to church. Nowhere! Yes it does say we should not forsake the gathering of ourselves together, but what does that really mean? I gather myself together with my wife and my daughters....we are keeping that commandment. You sit down over coffee with a friend and study or discuss the Word...you are fulfilling that commandment....The bible does not say we must gather by the hundreds in a glass cathederal to listen to a preacher expound on world events

Church, ekklasia, is not a building, but an assembly called out for a special purpose, in the Greek context and culture it was usually a political body to discuss pressing matters of the time and vote to make decisions. By this definition, a city council, investigation committee or expert panel can all be called an ekklasia. As for us, we gather together for fellowship and exhortation, for when two or three of us gather in Jesus's name, He is in our midst. If you think you can achieve that with your family and friends, suit yourself. It all depends on what you think that special purpose is and whom you identify as fellow worshipers. The bottom line is, human is created as social creature. Adam was the first son of God created in God's image, but it was NOT good, for he was alone. So God also created Eve as his helper, and only then was it "very good" when both male and female were created in God's image.