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SignUp Now!You and Rhema praise your hero Satan by calling Jesus a liar - and liars get thrown into the symbolic lake of fire on Judgment Day.I really wish I could understand your logic and reasoning after reading that whole scripture passage that Rhema just posted. There is nothing in that scripture passage that agrees with you.
Scripture clearly states that Satan is a liar. And if Satan is sitting there telling us that he is the ruler of the world, well guess what he's a liar. And it says multiple times in the scripture that God the Father created everything for his son Jesus.
So I can't see how you come up with the idea that Satan is the controller or overseer of this world (i.e. ruler)
You mean you lack the understanding?
Seek the gift of wisdom, knowldege and discernment from holy spirit.
Matthew 28 clearly says Satan rules Earth aided by faithful slaves like you!
I really wish I could understand your logic and reasoning after reading that whole scripture passage that Rhema just posted. There is nothing in that scripture passage that agrees with you.Scripture clearly states that Satan is a liar. And if Satan is sitting there telling us that he is the ruler of the world, well guess what he's a liar. And it says multiple times in the scripture that God the Father created everything for his son Jesus.So I can't see how you come up with the idea that Satan is the controller or overseer of this world (i.e. ruler)
You are wrong, @Chad.The Bible says that God created hell for Satan and the wicked angels who rebelled against Him, but there are people in hell also (Matthew 25:41). Both angelic beings and human beings are in hell for the same reason, sin (Romans 6:23).
Just to note, there are a few scriptures that say Jesus created everything himself. ??? This might be an interesting topic for a new thread, but it sure would kick the ant's nest.And it says multiple times in the scripture that God the Father created everything for his son Jesus.
The typical proof text is:So I can't see how you come up with the idea that Satan is the controller or overseer of this world (i.e. ruler)
Actually we don't. When flesh is incinerated it becomes useless. Cow carcasses are typically ground up and fed to cows as feed. That's why the term "grass fed beef" became important.We incinerate dead cows,
Perhaps my greatest gift is modesty?
Do we symbolically get thrown? Or are we actually thrown at a symbol?liars get thrown into the symbolic lake of fire
I was granted these when I was 8 - almost 60 years ago. Never resisted once.I was granted the gifts of wisdom, knowledge, faith, prophecy, discernment of spirits when I became a Christian after many years of GOD calling me and me resisting.
That came when I was 14.I don't have a gift of healing but have had ailments healed by Christians.
And that happened when I was 32. (Although I never raised the dead until I was 51.)I don't speak in tongues or interpet them
High @complete. Paul was referring to the Roman Emperor. (Guess I'm going to have to put that thread together after all.)'But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,
lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord;
and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.'
(2Cor 4:3-5)
And why would you think Satan wasn't lying? Being the Father of lies?'Again, the devil taketh Him up into an exceeding high mountain,
and sheweth Him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
And saith unto Him,
All these things will I give Thee,
if Thou wilt fall down and worship me.'
(Mat 4:8-9)
That is good that you have all those gifts. And modesty yes that is overwhelming I can see.You and Rhema praise your hero Satan by calling Jesus a liar - and liars get thrown into the symbolic lake of fire on Judgment Day.
Liars are so abominable that GOD told the angel that appeared to John to emphasise it twice!
Revelation 21: 27; And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Rev 22: 15; For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
I have quoted plenty of Bible verses that show Satan has ruled the world since he successfully tempted Eve and is still ruling the world until Jesus returns.
You and all like you lack the gifts of holy spirit offered in 1 Corinthians 12
7; But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8; For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11; But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
I was granted the gifts of wisdom, knowledge, faith, prophecy, discernment of spirits when I became a Christian after many years of GOD calling me and me resisting.
I don't have a gift of healing but have had ailments healed by Christians. I don't speak in tongues or interpet them though we now have so many pagan migrants in England that I could perhaps do with a full repertoire! I am joking as my attempts to tell Muslims they need Jesus have met with open hostility to which I replied with Matthew 10:14.
Perhaps my greatest gift is modesty?
You lack so many gifts you are a disgrace to Christianity but Satan is pleased with you.That is good that you have all those gifts. And modesty yes that is overwhelming I can see.
I know Rhema can also see your modesty along with your humility, that is obvious for all to watch and see right here on Talk Jesus even
Of course I am teasing you because after reading all of your comments before I have to wonder where that has been hiding. LOL
'But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:High @complete. Paul was referring to the Roman Emperor. (Guess I'm going to have to put that thread together after all.)And why would you think Satan wasn't lying? Being the Father of lies?But perchance he was telling the truth. Yet that event took place BEFORE Matthew 28:18. Mat 4 cannot be applied to our current time, or anytime after Matthew 25:18.The same reasoning applies to your two passages from John. These were spoken before the resurrection, and hence before Matthew 28:18.Thanks,Rhema
'And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,High @complete. Paul was referring to the Roman Emperor. (Guess I'm going to have to put that thread together after all.)And why would you think Satan wasn't lying? Being the Father of lies?But perchance he was telling the truth. Yet that event took place BEFORE Matthew 28:18. Mat 4 cannot be applied to our current time, or anytime after Matthew 25:18.The same reasoning applies to your two passages from John. These were spoken before the resurrection, and hence before Matthew 28:18.Thanks,Rhema
Didn't things change after the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ? Or was everything just the same? If everything was just the same, then the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ was moot - worthless even.Why do you refer to Matthew 4 and the passages from John (14:30 & 16:7-14) and dismiss them on the ground of Matthew 28:18.?
So Satan comes to each and every individual to convince them individually that the Theory of Evolution is true? Or are they convinced by their very human teachers?No human being could blind the minds of the unbelieving
I would heartily recommend you do a deep dive into what would be meant as a "power of the air."See also what is said concerning this being in Ephesians 2:2, referred to as,' the prince of the power of the air': The unbelieving or disobedient are said to, 'walk according to the prince of the power of the air', which is also referred to as, 'a spirit' :-
' And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,Didn't things change after the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ? Or was everything just the same? If everything was just the same, then the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ was moot - worthless even.
But Matthew 28:18 was said by Jesus after his Resurrection.
I am amazed at how many believers actually reject these words of Christ.
Rhema
' And you hath He quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;So Satan comes to each and every individual to convince them individually that the Theory of Evolution is true? Or are they convinced by their very human teachers?At least the author of Job didn't elevate Satan to the level of a near omnipotent god who could do just whatever he wanted.Human beings can and do blind the minds of the unbelieving. The Jews trust in their Rabbis (who are human). The Muslim trusts in his Imam (who is human). The Protestants in their pastors and the Catholics in their priests. The Secular world trusts in their scientists (and the mistakes they make).In the Roman world, the Roman citizens trusted in their Emperor as god.
Paul would have had no problem using the name Satan if he meant Satan. He did so THREE times in Second Corinthians. To the readers of Paul's epistles, the "god of this world" was the Roman Emperor who demanded that all Roman subjects worship in accordance with Roman law, thereby blinding their minds at the threat of torture and execution.To the reader of Paul, who would have been "the god of this world"? Perhaps my mistake was to omit the sources for my claim that every reader would have known this to be a cunningly veiled reference to the Roman Emperor. So... I provide support here:"Ultimately the Romans did advance one cult, which took on some of the characteristics of a universal religion and became a political tool in the interest of stability - a symbol of loyally to the state and its rulers. This was, of course, the imperial cult, the worship of the emperor-as-god.Augustus was officially deified at his death; this became the standard practice; there were only occasional exceptions, as when Caligula and Domitian in the first century, and Commodus in the second demanded recognition as deity in their lifetimes. The provincial councils made up of upper-class men, gave much attention to the imperial cult; as also did the Augustales, priestly college of freedmen; other priestly colleges included rites to the emperors in their regular observances; and the army made much of it, as in oaths and obervance of birth dates. The imperial cult thus touched the lives of many persons in all the social strata. As in the case of other state cults, the proper observance of its ceremonies became a symbol patriotism, as well as piety."- (pgs. 270,271)
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Indeed, the god of this world (the Roman Emperor) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, and the cult of emperor-as-god was ubiquitous in the Roman world by the time of Paul. Augustus reigned as the first Roman emperor from 27 BC until his death in AD 14. The reign of Augustus initiated an imperial cult (Wiki-LINK). Caligula, was Roman emperor from AD 37 until his assassination in AD 41. Domitian was Roman emperor from 81 to 96. The Apostle Paul having a ministry from circa 31–36 AD until his death somewhere between 64 & 68 AD.Paul's writing came after Jesus declared himself to have all power/authority on heaven AND earth. Surely you don't think that Paul thought Jesus was wrong?I would heartily recommend you do a deep dive into what would be meant as a "power of the air."Ideas and thoughts are a power of the air, as they hold great power to influence the human spirit of the minds around you. And truth is a spirit? Is it not?Kindly,Rhema