Why does God send people to hell?

[MedicBravo]

Same reason as why people who fail a grade in public schools don't go to the next grade. The requirements were not met. There is no summer school as a last attempt to get into Heaven.
God doesn't have human or emotional bias that would bend the rules.

I don't care what the Catholics say. There is NO indication that "Purgatory" exists and is a place.
There is no post-death repentance. No amount of money can sway God into pulling someone out of Hell. The CC has LIED about many things.

The idea you can waste your life away and have some TINY, mortal excuse to "repent" at the end and get into Heaven is insulting.

 

[Garee]

Same reason as why people who fail a grade in public schools don't go to the next grade. The requirements were not met. There is no summer school as a last attempt to get into Heaven.
God doesn't have human or emotional bias that would bend the rules.

I don't care what the Catholics say. There is NO indication that "Purgatory" exists and is a place.
There is no post-death repentance. No amount of money can sway God into pulling someone out of Hell. The CC has LIED about many things.

The idea you can waste your life away and have some TINY, mortal excuse to "repent" at the end and get into Heaven is insulting.

I would agree wrong perspective(earthly). Rather than why does God sent people to hell why has he placed us there in the first place?

We are living in earthen bodies of death under the letter of the law (Thou shall not) death caring out the appoint to die once. The letter of the law the temporal seen along with its sufferings (Belly Whale . Heart of Earth will be cast in the fiery judgement .It will not rise up in the new heaven and Earth and again corrupt a whole creation. The second death, the death of death .

 

[Dylan569]

If the dispensational rapture theory were true, then no one would be saved during the 7-years, because that would be giving them a second chance at salvation?

Who would be preaching the gospel in the 7-years if the entire church had already been raptured?

If the Holy Spirit is that One who was removed after he had been restraining "the lawless one", 2 Thess. 2:6, then without the Holy Spirit no one can be saved after that, correct?

If the dispensationalist pre-mil theory were true, you end up with not two resurrections, but three resurrections. Is there any verse teaching a third resurrection, when there is not even a "second resurrection" mentioned?

Revelation 20:5 speaks of the "first resurrection", but then contrasts it to the "second death" in 20:14, not a "second resurrection".

The "second death" is being sent to hell!
"Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire, and anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire." (Rev 20:14-15 NRSVue)

"and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain." (Rev 13:8 ESV2011)

also, as in the RSV

"and all who dwell on earth will worship it, every one whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that was slain." (Rev 13:8 RSV)

 

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Same reason as why people who fail a grade in public schools don't go to the next grade. The requirements were not met. There is no summer school as a last attempt to get into Heaven.
God doesn't have human or emotional bias that would bend the rules.

I don't care what the Catholics say. There is NO indication that "Purgatory" exists and is a place.
There is no post-death repentance. No amount of money can sway God into pulling someone out of Hell. The CC has LIED about many things.

The idea you can waste your life away and have some TINY, mortal excuse to "repent" at the end and get into Heaven is insulting.

' And many other signs truly did Jesus
in the presence of His disciples,
which are not written in this book:
But these are written,
that ye might believe
that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God;
and that believing ye might have life through his name.'
(Joh 20:30-31)

Hello @MedicBravo,

God is a righteous God, and judgement must therefore come before sentencing. Judgement has yet to take place. Hell is the place of the dead. There is no consciousness in death: for the spirit of life has gone back to God Who gave it. All awaits the resurrection power of God to raise the dead, that they may stand before God and be judged justly, by Him Who knows the thoughts and intents of the heart,. before sentence is passed and carried out.

The believing dead are now reckoned by God to be 'asleep in Christ' awaiting the resurrection, when they will enter into life eternal. There is no condemnation for them, for they are covered by the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, their sins having been forgiven them.

God has not placed anyone in a place of eternal conscious punishment, for He has yet to pass judgment. The fires of Gehenna (Hell) as referred to by the Lord Jesus Christ, await the unbelieving dead, who will have been judged righteously and sentenced by God, Who is Holy and Just. For them awaits the second death: A death from which there will be no hope of resurrection, for that punishment is eternal, being final and complete destruction.

* Today there stands before you the way of life or the way of death, so choose life.

Place your trust in God Who raises the dead: Believe on the sacrificial offering of His only Begotten Son on your behalf, Who took the penalty of your sin upon Himself and died in your place. Receive the forgiveness of sins, and the hope of life eternal in Christ Jesus our risen and glorified Saviour and Lord.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[MedicBravo]

I would agree wrong perspective(earthly). Rather than why does God sent people to hell why has he placed us there in the first place?

We are living in earthen bodies of death under the letter of the law (Thou shall not) death caring out the appoint to die once. The letter of the law the temporal seen along with its sufferings (Belly Whale . Heart of Earth will be cast in the fiery judgement .It will not rise up in the new heaven and Earth and again corrupt a whole creation. The second death, the death of death .

No. We don't learn the same so explaining the same concept a different way allows more people to understand.
It's not rooting the idea in temporary, matrial things.

The Ticketmaster (God) has no bias. He wishes "all come to Him" but He knows in truth and fact many will NOT.
Failing to meet the requirements for entrance is on that person alone.
God is available to every person and the Bible is translated into almost every known spoken and readable language.
Paul did far worse than most people and yet what happened?
He learned of the Truth and the requirements for salvation. He got his ticket per say and yet others did not.

People who will end up in Hell do so and it's 100% their fault.

 

[Rxlx]

No one but Satan goes to hell. All humans die and their thoughts perish so how coudl they feel any pain from flames of hell?

 

[Rhema]

Yet there is no doubt in my mind that the context surrounding the words, 'the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience,' refers to the enemy of our souls, who, as I said previously is 'the spirit that now worketh' in the unbelieving.

One might be tempted to extend this the entire way and claim "The Devil made me do it." Yet doesn't an individual human have a responsibility and accountability for his or her own actions?

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.​

- Ezekiel 18:20 KJV

I believe that the spirit of sin lies within the heart of each man, and it is this spirit that "worketh" disobedience, not Satan. Having agency in the name of Jesus, we share in the purpose the Son of God to destroy (loosen) what the devil had worked back in the Garden.

For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy (loosen - undo) the works of the devil.​

- 1 John 3:8 NKJV

As to how such is achieved, there are numerous opinions, most of which just do not work.

the word of God, is solid and dependable, the Holy Spirit's sword.

If you could be so kind as to read my first post ever made here, it would be much appreciated.

Post in thread 'How Do I Put on the Armor of God?'

Jun 29, 2021

Sword of the Spirit: The sword of the Spirit is the Word of God. This includes God's written Word (the Bible), God's incarnate Word (Jesus as Logos), and God's spoken Word (the Holy Spirit within us).

Well there... Hi to all.

It's my first post here, and I'm about to post something that might just freak everybody out on this website, but please bear with me... while my post is meant to edify it will take some thinking (if not study) on your part. In other words, don't dismiss this post out of hand, and yes, I quite understand the scope of its implications.

I wish to...

• Rhema

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Kindly,
Rhema

 

[Rxlx]

Rhema is delusional and confuses Jesus with Satan.

Satan loves liars like Rhema.

 

[Garee]

No. We don't learn the same so explaining the same concept a different way allows more people to understand.
It's not rooting the idea in temporary, matrial things.

The Ticketmaster (God) has no bias. He wishes "all come to Him" but He knows in truth and fact many will NOT.
Failing to meet the requirements for entrance is on that person alone.
God is available to every person and the Bible is translated into almost every known spoken and readable language.
Paul did far worse than most people and yet what happened?
He learned of the Truth and the requirements for salvation. He got his ticket per say and yet others did not.

People who will end up in Hell do so and it's 100% their fault.

God's bias. As many as he gave power to come alone came.(as many as the key)

John 1:12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his namepower)

John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.


Born again believers are suffering (hell) the wage of sin. Death of their earthen bodies of death called in the parables two witnesses the "belly of the whale" or the "Heart of earth" three days and nights of suffering .

Three days and nights being afflicted by the Holy Father Christ. Three times Johnah and the Son of man Jesus cried out for strength to finish the work of the Holy Father,

It pleased the Father striking the Son of man Jesus. . crushing the head of the serpent by his wounds we are healed.

The bruising of the heel crushing the head of the father of lies doctrine .

 

[MedicBravo]

as many as the key

Are suggesting or giving ANY credibility that the other "religions" are in any part true and their gods are real?
There is far more evidence of God, Creation, human history, and the Bible than ALL other religions combined.

There is a Hell and not a "state of suffering".

 

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One might be tempted to extend this the entire way and claim "The Devil made me do it." Yet doesn't an individual human have a responsibility and accountability for his or her own actions?​

'And you hath He quickened,
who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Wherein in time past ye walked
according to the course of this world,
according to the prince of the power of the air,
the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past
in the lusts of our flesh,
fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind;
and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
But God, Who is rich in mercy, for His great love wherewith He loved us,
Even when we were dead in sins,
hath quickened us together with Christ,
(by grace ye are saved )
(Eph 2:1-5)

Hello @Rhema,

The condition of the unbelieving is spoken of as being. 'dead': suggesting that they are unconscious and unresponsive to life in the spirit, blind to the work and works of God, blind and deaf to the testimony of creation, and the declaration of the heavens of God's eternal power and Godhead (Romans 1:18 0nwards). Fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind.

It took the quickening power of God to lift us out of that condition, didn't it? The action of the word of God upon the heart and mind, as the seed sown entered the mind and heart by faith: Took root within, and found expression through the mouth, declaring faith in God, and in the finished work of His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ to the saving of the soul. Praise God!

​

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.​

- Ezekiel 18:20 KJV​

​

I believe that the spirit of sin lies within the heart of each man, and it is this spirit that "worketh" disobedience, not Satan. Having agency in the name of Jesus, we share in the purpose the Son of God to destroy (loosen) what the devil had worked back in the Garden.​

* Yes, Rhema, I agree.

* The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them, for they are spiritually discerned.(1 Cor. 2:14)

​

For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy (loosen - undo) the works of the devil.​

- 1 John 3:8 NKJV​

​

As to how such is achieved, there are numerous opinions, most of which just do not work.​

​

​

If you could be so kind as to read my first post ever made here, it would be much appreciated.​

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Post in thread 'How Do I Put on the Armor of God?'

Jun 29, 2021

Sword of the Spirit: The sword of the Spirit is the Word of God. This includes God's written Word (the Bible), God's incarnate Word (Jesus as Logos), and God's spoken Word (the Holy Spirit within us).

Well there... Hi to all.

It's my first post here, and I'm about to post something that might just freak everybody out on this website, but please bear with me... while my post is meant to edify it will take some thinking (if not study) on your part. In other words, don't dismiss this post out of hand, and yes, I quite understand the scope of its implications.

I wish to...

• Rhema

• 

​

Kindly,​

Rhema​

* I will read your post via the link provided, and come back to you (God willing).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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Post in thread 'How Do I Put on the Armor of God?'

Jun 29, 2021

Sword of the Spirit: The sword of the Spirit is the Word of God. This includes God's written Word (the Bible), God's incarnate Word (Jesus as Logos), and God's spoken Word (the Holy Spirit within us).

Well there... Hi to all.

It's my first post here, and I'm about to post something that might just freak everybody out on this website, but please bear with me... while my post is meant to edify it will take some thinking (if not study) on your part. In other words, don't dismiss this post out of hand, and yes, I quite understand the scope of its implications.

I wish to...

• Rhema

• 

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@Rhema
THE SWORD IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD.
... and this can be seen quite plainly when one reads the Greek text -
και την περικεφαλαιαν του σωτηριου δεξασθε και την μαχαιραν του πνευματος ο εστιν ρημα θεου

.... ... there is not one single English translation I have read that has correctly translated Ephesians 6:17, 18 into modern colloquial English (and I have read most all that are out there).

Why? Every English translation that I have read, introduces what is known as a "Squinting Modifier" that is NOT present in the Greek text. But first, let's look at the KJV -

'And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God':
(Ephesians 6:17 KJV)

We have what is known as a modifying clause, the phrase - "which is the word of God." As an adjectival clause, it modifies a noun. But we have two nouns - Sword, and Spirit. So which noun is being modified? Is the Sword the word of God? Or is the Spirit the word of God?

In ye merry ole Oxford English of 400 years ago, one would have been taught that the modifying clause in a sentence attaches to the closest noun. So technically, these English translations are accurate, but only "technically." Anyone can see, then, that the closest noun to the modifying clause "which is the word of God" is the noun "Spirit," not "Sword." So the sword is not the "word of God." But sometime over these last four hundred years, along with a dearth of any adequate education in the King's English, we arrive at the astonishing conclusion that "American-ish" (what I called "modern colloquial English") has morphed into adopting a common practice wherein the possessive is dropped prior to attributing the modifier, and hence, EVERY pastor (therefore every sermon), and EVERY Christian I have ever met, reads the text of Ephesians 6:17 this way... "And take ... the sword (...), which is the word of God:" concluding that the Sword is the Word of God. But it isn't.

How can I be so sure ??

As mentioned, in Greek one can easily see that the SPIRIT is the word of God, and it has to do with Gender Matching. As in Modern Spanish, Koine Greek nouns have gender (male, female, & neuter). In addition, modifying clauses in Koine Greek must match the gender of the noun being modified. In Greek, μάχαιρα (sword - G3162) is feminine, while πνεῦμα (spirit - G4151) is neuter. Why does this matter? Because the word "which" is neuter in gender to match the noun "Spirit," not feminine to match the noun "Sword." God knows what they teach in seminary these days, but the sword is not the word of God, and never was. There's not even a question about it. To any second year Greek student, the modifying clause "which is the word of God" automatically attaches to the noun 'Spirit' (πνεῦμα - G4151) because of gender matching.

THE SPIRIT IS THE WORD OF GOD.

Does this even matter ?? YEESSS... Yes it does. As many have pointed out, the sword is the only offensive weapon. Now how could one fight a battle if he or she has absolutely no clue what "sword" means, thinking it instead to mean "Bible"? "Pick up your sword !!" I heard one pastor preach, waving around his Bible. His church is failing.

I submit that if you believe something that isn't true, then what is True can't help you. One will suffer the consequences if one believes the wrong thing. Christians go charging into battle waving a book, which is NOT "the sword" in Ephesians chapter six, and wonder why they're being soundly trounced.

So then, what IS the sword?

(Well thank you kindly for asking... )

The sword is defined in verse 18, since the text in verse 17 doesn't actually stop. It was a Very poor place to put a period and a verse number. So let's read my interlinear... (or get your own for that matter, as it will say the same thing).

Eph 6:17, 18 - και (AND) την (THE) περικεφαλαιαν (HELMET) του (OF) σωτηριου (SALVATION) δεξασθε (TAKE !!!) και (AND = along with) την (THE) μαχαιραν (SWORD) του (OF THE) πνευματος (SPIRIT) ο (WHICH SPIRIT) εστιν (IS) ρημα (the RHEMA-WORD) θεου (OF GOD) δια (BY MEANS OF) πασης (ALL) προσευχης (PRAYER). - - - - That's what is literally written. --- TAKE THE SWORD BY MEANS OF ALL PRAYER.

PRAYER IS THE SWORD.

Now obviously one doesn't pick up a sword by the blade, or you'd cut your dang fool fingers off. Rather, one takes a sword by the pommel. If nothing else, then, you now know HOW to put on (wield) the sword. Take the sword by means of all prayer.

Witnessing is not our weapon in this metaphor.
Preaching is not our weapon in this metaphor.
Bible reading is not our weapon in this metaphor.
What IS our weapon? It's the Sword.
And the Sword, (the only weapon in this metaphor), is prayer.

If the general says, "TAKE THAT HILL !!" You'd better use your swords - you'd better be praying.
If the general says, "GUARD THAT FORT !!" You'd better use your swords - you'd better be praying.

Prayer is the only way that Christians can achieve.... ANYTHING.

I have raised the dead through PRAYER.
I have healed the sick through PRAYER.
I have saved souls through PRAYER.
I have stopped car crashes by means of PRAYER.
(And sometimes you've gotta pray lightning fast...)

And in any crisis, I would rather have the SWORD of PRAYER (TM) in my hands than anything else of the Armour.

God's Blessings to all,
Rhema

PS: A long time ago I was talking with a close Evangelical Christian friend who heard me teach this and he started to give praise and thanks to God that while not completely understanding these verses, he had been doing it - praying to Jesus about everything. It wasn't a boast, he was just relieved and glad that he was finally doing something right... that prayer was the KEY, praying always to Jesus. And while I didn't mean to be cruel, I stuck my foot in it and told him I was a bit puzzled in that Jesus instructed us to pray to the Father, and not to Jesus. YES, it was that unmistakable sound of awkward silence that followed, and we politely changed topics and my friend never mentioned it again. Until one year later. While visiting, he turned to me and said, "Remember when you......?" "YES, I'm SO sorry, I wasn't trying to rebuke you." But he quietly interrupted me to say that he changed the way he was praying that very same day, vowing to do so for a year. He stopped praying to Jesus and started praying to the Father, and being the engineer that he was, gave me the astonishing report that instead of ten percent of his prayers typically being answered, it was now nearly 95 percent. And he wanted to thank me for that.

PPS: It takes practice to learn how to wield a sword correctly. So go practice, brothers and sisters.

Thank you, @Rhema,
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Rxlx]

Are suggesting or giving ANY credibility that the other "religions" are in any part true and their gods are real?
There is far more evidence of God, Creation, human history, and the Bible than ALL other religions combined.

There is a Hell and not a "state of suffering".

There is no hell of suffering as all thoughts perish on death - so how could a dead person feel suffering?
You call Jesus a liar.

 

[Garee]

Are suggesting or giving ANY credibility that the other "religions" are in any part true and their gods are real?
There is far more evidence of God, Creation, human history, and the Bible than ALL other religions combined.

There is a Hell and not a "state of suffering".

Any religion other than that of Christ's the one good teaching master "all things written in the law and prophets" sola scriptura" re defend that which defends us

Seeking Christ after the temporal rudiments of this world no possibility .He cant be found under a microscope or through a telescope .He has no DNA

Hell is the daily suffering we experience in these bodies of death .Yoked with Christ (Christ as Lord in us ) he makes the sufferings of hell lighter with a hope beyond what the eyes see the temporal

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. . . . . . . . Invisible

 

[B-A-C]

Hell is the daily suffering we experience in these bodies of death .Yoked with Christ (Christ as Lord in us ) he makes the sufferings of hell lighter with a hope beyond what the eyes see the temporal

How unscriptural can you get?

Matt 5:22 "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.
Matt 5:29 "If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Matt 5:30 "If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.
Matt 10:28 "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt 18:9 "If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell.
Matt 23:15 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
Matt 23:33 "You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?
Mark 9:43 "If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire,
Mark 9:45 "If your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life lame, than, having your two feet, to be cast into hell,
Mark 9:47 "If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than, having two eyes, to be cast into hell,
Luke 12:5 "But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him!
Jas 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, the very world of iniquity; the tongue is set among our members as that which defiles the entire body, and sets on fire the course of our life, and is set on fire by hell.
2Pet 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;

Matt 11:23 "And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You will descend to Hades; for if the miracles had occurred in Sodom which occurred in you, it would have remained to this day.
Matt 16:18 "I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.
Luke 10:15 "And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You will be brought down to Hades!
Luke 16:23 "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.
Acts 2:27 BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT ABANDON MY SOUL TO HADES, NOR ALLOW YOUR HOLY ONE TO UNDERGO DECAY.
Acts 2:31 he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that HE WAS NEITHER ABANDONED TO HADES, NOR DID His flesh SUFFER DECAY.
Rev 1:18 and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.

John 5:28 "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
John 5:29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Acts 24:15 having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
Rev 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.
Rev 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Rev 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8 "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

 

[Rxlx]

How unscriptural can you get?

As unscriptural as B A C apparently.

Psalm 146 In that day, all their thoughts will perish. ... His breath shall go forth, and he shall return to his earth; in that day all his thoughts shall perish.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 KJV - For the living know that they shall die​

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

 

[Rhema]

Rhema is delusional and confuses Jesus with Satan.

Satan loves liars like Rhema.

 

[Rhema]

It took the quickening power of God to lift us out of that condition, didn't it?

Well then open their eyes. (But how is the issue at hand.)

The action of the word of God

Yet when you post "word of God" you actually mean "Bible." If you mean Bible, then say Bible. Otherwise you create confusion in your Definitional Framework.

But it's not the action of the Bible that causes a change in heart -

And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. ​

(Matthew 16:17 KJV)

It is a revelation from the Father which is in heaven. (That's the how.)

The modern Church is failing, @complete, because they have it completely backwards. They try to convince the sinner to become saved rather than asking the Father to save the sinner. Try that. You'll be astounded.

Peace in the Lord,
Rhema

 

[Garee]

How unscriptural can you get?

I would suggest beginning with the wage of sin "death" using the one instrument "letter of the law" the whole bible (thou shall not or in dying your life will come to an end as described in Job. . universal Alzheimer's. The temporal bodies given under the letter (death return to the dust and the temportal spirit given of the father under the letter returns to Him.

Romans 7:9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Hebrews 9:27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

The judgmental that follows below. "Hell'' the living suffering sacrifices (no dead sacrifices) along with the letter the instrument of death wil be cast into the judgment fire.

Never again will the letter of the law death (thou shalt not) raise up and corrupt to death a whole creation.

The Bible (letter of law or book of law ) will not be remembered or ever come to mind.

One appointment to die. No reincarnation. double jeopardy

 

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Well then open their eyes. (But how is the issue at hand.)


Yet when you post "word of God" you actually mean "Bible." If you mean Bible, then say Bible. Otherwise you create confusion in your Definitional Framework.

But it's not the action of the Bible that causes a change in heart -

And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. ​

(Matthew 16:17 KJV)

It is a revelation from the Father which is in heaven. (That's the how.)

The modern Church is failing, @complete, because they have it completely backwards. They try to convince the sinner to become saved rather than asking the Father to save the sinner. Try that. You'll be astounded.

Peace in the Lord,
Rhema

'And all things are of God,
who hath reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ,
and hath given to us (Paul and his fellow-workers)
the ministry of reconciliation;
To wit, that God was in Christ,
reconciling the world unto Himself,
not imputing their trespasses unto them;
and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ,
as though God did beseech you by us:
we pray you in Christ's stead,
be ye reconciled to God.
For He hath made Him to be sin for us,
Who knew no sin;
that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.'
(2Cor. 5:18)

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris