Yet another false teacher

[God's Truth]

I always wondered if that thorn in the flesh was some sort of mental hurting because of the things he had done... I'm sure there was a lot of things Paul couldn't just unsee. I don't know. I don't know the answer to this one for certain. What I do know is God is good and all things good come from Him. People put a lot of blame on God. He has big shoulders. He can handle it. But blame colors a person's perception on who God is, so I think it is an important question to ask.

Paul didn't have a devil in his flesh to cause him to be a sinner or to keep tempting him with sin, as some people say.

This is what Paul said:
2 Corinthians 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.


The scriptures say that people who cause you trouble are as thorns in your flesh. See Numbers 33:55, Ezekiel 2:6, Ezekiel 28:24, Matthew 7:16, Matthew 13:22, Luke 8:7, Luke 8:14.

Paul says Satan sent a messenger to constantly cause him trouble, no doubt through the people and life’s hardships.
Just read a few scriptures down in Corinthians where Paul speaks of the thorn in his flesh and it will tell you what Paul was talking about.


10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

See 2 Corinthians 12:10. NOT A SINGLE WORD ABOUT HIM SINNING.


So you see it is all the trouble wherever he went.

It was in infirmities when he was sick and abused and treated badly by other people, from being persecuted, his beatings and being hungry and in need of other life necessities, like clothes and shelter. It was all because he preached the gospel.

 

[joestue]

Lazarus was a friend of Jesus', and, sometimes Jesus healed people by the faith of their relative. Jesus was friends with Lazarus and his sister

There is also a positional authority that may be unrelated to faith, when ignored causes sins of negligence to hinder the person who should have prayed for someone to be healed... They then wonder why they don't get healed or their prayers answered.

 

[God's Truth]

There is also a positional authority that may be unrelated to faith, when ignored causes sins of negligence to hinder the person who should have prayed for someone to be healed... They then wonder why they don't get healed or their prayers answered.

We are to pray for our loved ones who are sick, but a person not getting healed does not mean someone didn't pray or that a person didn't have enough faith. This isn't heaven on the new earth yet. Even apostle Paul had stomach issues and wasn't miraculously healed of them.

 

[joestue]

but a person not getting healed does not mean someone didn't pray

This is simply not universally true.

Many people are spiritually burdened to pray for someone, they don't, and nothing is accomplished. The person suffering may pray for themselves, years later, and they may be healed.

In more extreme cases,
In that interim time, they passed on their wounds to their children, who passed it on to their children.

For example, why did I have to pray against my dad's generational curse when I was 24. It is true I should have prayed against it when I was 8 years old, but my dad should have taken care of those issues before I was born.

 

[God's Truth]

This is simply not universally true.

Many people are spiritually burdened to pray for someone, they don't, and nothing is accomplished. The person suffering may pray for themselves, years later, and they may be healed.

In more extreme cases,
In that interim time, they passed on their wounds to their children, who passed it on to their children.

For example, why did I have to pray against my dad's generational curse when I was 24. It is true I should have prayed against it when I was 8 years old, but my dad should have taken care of those issues before I was born.

It is kind of strange that you think an 8 year old would know about generational curses.

Though I understand what you are saying about praying for yourself and others, we are not solely dependent on who will pray for us and the one who knows the most people wins.

Again, sometimes people pray and a person still dies or still stay sick. Even Paul had stomach issues.

 

[joestue]

I was that 8 year old and something in the spiritual realm told me, at my grandparents house.

There is other spiritual negligence I knew about pretty early.

we are not solely dependent on who will pray for us and the one

Well of course not, that's why I said positional authority.

The gifts of the Spirit bring along with them, a responsibility to use them properly.

In my wife's case, it was her mother who was responsible for opening the spiritual door that let her be affected by two demons from the age of 4 or 5. Her dad also would have had to be pretty spiritually immature to not be aware of that, and or confused and powerless to kick them out. And because those spirits had the power to influence her autonomic nervous system, she had endlessly changing and confusing medical issues. No amount of faith or prayer could have lifted a finger on her issues because it was directed in the wrong place: the byproducts of sin.

So I did, 20 years later. It wasn't an instant cure because the brain development that didn't happen cannot be fixed instantly.

 

[God's Truth]

I was that 8 year old and something in the spiritual realm told me, at my grandparents house.

There is other spiritual negligence I knew about pretty early.

Well of course not, that's why I said positional authority.

The gifts of the Spirit bring along with them, a responsibility to use them properly.

In my wife's case, it was her mother who was responsible for opening the spiritual door that let her be affected by two demons from the age of 4 or 5. Her dad also would have had to be pretty spiritually immature to not be aware of that, and or confused and powerless to kick them out. And because those spirits had the power to influence her autonomic nervous system, she had endlessly changing and confusing medical issues. No amount of faith or prayer could have lifted a finger on her issues because it was directed in the wrong place: the byproducts of sin.

So I did, 20 years later. It wasn't an instant cure because the brain development that didn't happen cannot be fixed instantly.

It is a warfare in the demonic world. Some things are just going to happen no matter how much a person prays about it.

 

[Bill]

I would say that sickness comes from sin/the devil. To say God makes a believer/unbeliever sick, is putting blame in the wrong place. A believer has authority to tell sickness to leave in the name of Jesus Christ. Unbelievers are not under that covenant. I say judgement is rare, because the judgements I read about were on leaders/teachers of the church. Teachers are held double accountable what they teach.

God allows things to take place, as in Jobs case. And look now over the ages what Jobs testimony has done for everyone.

God allows the rain to fall on both the good and bad. So when we see a really bad storm come along a typhoon a tsunami a hurricane do we say that this comes from the devil, just because it's a bad storm. The truth is that God allows all these things to take place for various reasons.

 

[Bill]

Usually accompanied by teaching that your future sins are forgiven. Doesn't sit right with me.

Agreed.

 

[joestue]

It is a warfare in the demonic world. Some things are just are going to happen no matter how much a person prays about it.

And few can see it.

To some extent the body of Christ is dependant on each other to root out the depths of sin, not for the purpose of salvation but rather increasing our effectiveness for the kingdom and quality of life for everyone.

Yes we are all going to die, but life is harder if you reject instruction and blindly accept all bad things happening as "God is testing me"...well no....

 

[Bill]

It is a warfare in the demonic world. Some things are just going to happen no matter how much a person prays about it.

I would not so readily give credit to the darkness. Just because something happens we dont like

 

[Bill]

We are to pray for our loved ones who are sick, but a person not getting healed does not mean someone didn't pray or that a person didn't have enough faith. This isn't heaven on the new earth yet. Even apostle Paul had stomach issues and wasn't miraculously healed of them.

I was sent to a church and the pasters wife was constantly praying for her husband. He had been in an auto accident and his leg was bad.

I told her and her husband what the Lord told me. For her to stop praying for his leg and continue praying for the church and its members as she had done before.

I then told the pastor, you are already healed to the extent the Lord wants you to be. As the Lord wanted to use him in this capacity

 

[Bill]

I was that 8 year old and something in the spiritual realm told me, at my grandparents house.

There is other spiritual negligence I knew about pretty early.




Well of course not, that's why I said positional authority.

The gifts of the Spirit bring along with them, a responsibility to use them properly.

In my wife's case, it was her mother who was responsible for opening the spiritual door that let her be affected by two demons from the age of 4 or 5. Her dad also would have had to be pretty spiritually immature to not be aware of that, and or confused and powerless to kick them out. And because those spirits had the power to influence her autonomic nervous system, she had endlessly changing and confusing medical issues. No amount of faith or prayer could have lifted a finger on her issues because it was directed in the wrong place: the byproducts of sin.

So I did, 20 years later. It wasn't an instant cure because the brain development that didn't happen cannot be fixed instantly.

Dont ever doubt what God can do. Fasting and prayer can drive out any demon

 

[God's Truth]

And few can see it.

To some extent the body of Christ is dependant on each other to root out the depths of sin, not for the purpose of salvation but rather increasing our effectiveness for the kingdom and quality of life for everyone.

Yes we are all going to die, but life is harder if you reject instruction and blindly accept all bad things happening as "God is testing me"...well no....

Of course it is good and right to pray for ourselves and each other. Some people don't have anyone but God to depend on.

 

[God's Truth]

I would not so readily give credit to the darkness. Just because something happens we dont like

Would you like to elaborate on that? I have already said that some things are for our own good.

 

[God's Truth]

I was sent to a church and the pasters wife was constantly praying for her husband. He had been in an auto accident and his leg was bad.

I told her and her husband what the Lord told me. For her to stop praying for his leg and continue praying for the church and its members as she had done before.

I then told the pastor, you are already healed to the extent the Lord wants you to be. As the Lord wanted to use him in this capacity

I don't see how you should tell someone not to pray for a need and instead pray for other people. You should have told the church members to pray for her husband too.

 

[God's Truth]

This is simply not universally true.

See when you say something like that is just not true.

 

[joestue]

What is it you disagree with?

Because I get a sense that you are favoring the idea that every man is an island and we do not have any liability or responsibility for each other.

 

[Bill]

Would you like to elaborate on that? I have already said that some things are for our own good.

That is correct , God does allow things to happen. Like the Coronavirus. But the fear of it comes from the devil.

My comment about giving the devil more credit than he is due, would be like saying " the accident " of the virus was the devils doing.

( the Lord told me about it before it happened)

Look at the Hurricanes, Katrina, and Hugo. They were both sent by God ( as are all hurricanes )

 

[Bill]

I don't see how you should tell someone not to pray for a need and instead pray for other people. You should have told the church members to pray for her husband too.

If the Lord tells me to do it, then i follow as instructed. The Shepard knows His sheep and this sheep knows the voice of my Shepard