Yet another false teacher

[God's Truth]

What is it you disagree with?

I said, "but a person not getting healed does not mean someone didn't pray"
You said, "This is simply not universally true."

Of course it is universally true.

How can you ever say it isn't universally true?

Some people get healed when no one but the person themselves prayed, and some people don't get healed even when a lot of people prayed for the person to get healed.

Because I get a sense that you are favoring the idea that every man is an island and we do not have any liability or responsibility for each other.

Sometimes Paul had no one with him but Jesus.
It isn't a popularity contest.
Some people just don't know a lot of people. You think God doesn't know when there are people who can't get a television show to have millions to pray for them, or a lot of friends on your facebook, tiktok, twitter account, etc?

 

[Bill]

Of course it is good and right to pray for ourselves and each other. Some people don't have anyone but God to depend on.

But it should never be like that. Jesus tells us to pray for others. Jesus tells us to follow His footsteps.

If we are to follow in the footsteps, we would offer ourselfs for others sins

 

[God's Truth]

That is correct , God does allow things to happen. Like the Coronavirus. But the fear of it comes from the devil.

My comment about giving the devil more credit than he is due, would be like saying " the accident " of the virus was the devils doing.

( the Lord told me about it before it happened)

Look at the Hurricanes, Katrina, and Hugo. They were both sent by God ( as are all hurricanes )

Bill, I am new here, and I haven't read many of your posts yet, but do you go by the name Michael on other forums? Do you claim to be a prophet?

 

[Bill]

Bill, I am new here, and I haven't got to read many of your posts yet, but do you go by the name Michael on other forums? Do you claim to be a prophet?

I am not Michael .

I am a Witness of the Truth

 

[God's Truth]

If the Lord tells me to do it, then i follow as instructed. The Shepard knows His sheep and this sheep knows the voice of my Shepard

We can't go against what is written. We are told to pray when we are in trouble, and for others to pray for us. You told someone not to pray for someone who had an ailment and was in trouble.

 

[Bill]

Bill, I am new here, and I haven't read many of your posts yet, but do you go by the name Michael on other forums? Do you claim to be a prophet?

I have told people here what God calls me to. I would never lable myself as a prophet.

In the armor the Lord gave me, i was given the Sword of God, and have fought the darkness using that Title.

I have experienced may things, yet none of those are greater than when you say your prayers to the Father in Heaven. When you Love God from your heart, it is the Greatest Prayer there is

 

[Bill]

We can't go against what is written. We are told to pray when we are in trouble, and for others to pray for us. You told someone not to pray for someone who had an ailment and was in trouble.

I know when the Father speaks to me. For me to say No to Him, would be foolish.

You and i may not understand the purpose in God's work. But it is still in God.

Look at Job. We see the results in hindsight. Yet if we were there, when all these maladies we're afflicting Job, what would we say then, that God has left him?

 

[Bill]

We can't go against what is written. We are told to pray when we are in trouble, and for others to pray for us. You told someone not to pray for someone who had an ailment and was in trouble.

Maybe i didnt finish what i started saying, i was loading a semi at the time.

The Lord told me To Tell the pastor the one whose leg was injured that He ( God) wanted the pastor to have this affliction because He ( God) was going to use him this way for His purposes

I hope this clarifies it more for you

 

[joestue]

Some people get healed when no one but the person themselves prayed, and some people don't get healed even when a lot of people prayed for the person to get healed.

And some people get healed when a single person prays for them.

What I do know is that sin is a universal problem. Sometimes you have to root it out yourself and sometimes other people are needed to help you (especially when it is deeply engrained in early childhood trauma)

I also know that both Paul and James agree on one thing: that we are to pray for one another.

To say it's not needed or that there is no liability incurred for refusing to do so would imply that it is useless.

And to argue that it's useless because some people are an island is also a distortion, and I feel like you would argue it is unfair to the single island person, that much is accomplished elsewhere by the multi body island people who pray for each other.

If it's unfair, then so is the rest of this planet.

 

[Bill]

And some people get healed when a single person prays for them.

What I do know is that sin is a universal problem. Sometimes you have to root it out yourself and sometimes other people are needed to help you (especially when it is deeply engrained in early childhood trauma)

I also know that both Paul and James agree on one thing: that we are to pray for one another.

To say it's not needed or that there is no liability incurred for refusing to do so would imply that it is useless.

And to argue that it's useless because some people are an island is also a distortion, and I feel like you would argue it is unfair to the single island person, that much is accomplished elsewhere by the multi body island people who pray for each other.

If it's unfair, then so is the rest of this planet.

There are other things that stop healing as well.

Forgiveness and being forgiven.
These two are some of the biggest issues when Pasters and Priests try removing dark spirits.
^ that is also a form of healing ( and in many cases both spiritual and physical ( and mental )

There are some other things too, but not important to bring them up here

 

[Bill]

And some people get healed when a single person prays for them.

What I do know is that sin is a universal problem. Sometimes you have to root it out yourself and sometimes other people are needed to help you (especially when it is deeply engrained in early childhood trauma)

I also know that both Paul and James agree on one thing: that we are to pray for one another.

To say it's not needed or that there is no liability incurred for refusing to do so would imply that it is useless.

And to argue that it's useless because some people are an island is also a distortion, and I feel like you would argue it is unfair to the single island person, that much is accomplished elsewhere by the multi body island people who pray for each other.

If it's unfair, then so is the rest of this planet.

We do have liability for praying for others. It is seen in the Lord's Prayer

Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive others who trespass against us

Our forgiveness is a prayer

 

[God's Truth]

I have told people here what God calls me to. I would never lable myself as a prophet.

In the armor the Lord gave me, i was given the Sword of God, and have fought the darkness using that Title.

I have experienced may things, yet none of those are greater than when you say your prayers to the Father in Heaven. When you Love God from your heart, it is the Greatest Prayer there is

All the saved are given the Sword of God.

 

[God's Truth]

I know when the Father speaks to me. For me to say No to Him, would be foolish.

You and i may not understand the purpose in God's work. But it is still in God.

God doesn't tell you to do something that is against His preserved words written in the Bible.

Look at Job. We see the results in hindsight. Yet if we were there, when all these maladies we're afflicting Job, what would we say then, that God has left him?

What does Job have to do with you telling someone not to pray for her husband's problem anymore?

As for Job, he is an example of how we are not to stop obeying God, even when things get rough.

 

[God's Truth]

Maybe i didnt finish what i started saying, i was loading a semi at the time.

That is a good excuse, lol, sometimes people are talking to me or this and that is going on around me and typos are made.

The Lord told me To Tell the pastor the one whose leg was injured that He ( God) wanted the pastor to have this affliction because He ( God) was going to use him this way for His purposes

I hope this clarifies it more for you

It does clarify more. It just sounded off the first time when you told someone to stop praying for another. I don't think a person should ever stop praying for a person with an affliction, no matter what, especially a spouse or a child.

 

[Mayflower]

Paul didn't have a devil in his flesh to cause him to be a sinner or to keep tempting him with sin, as some people say.

This is what Paul said:
2 Corinthians 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.


The scriptures say that people who cause you trouble are as thorns in your flesh. See Numbers 33:55, Ezekiel 2:6, Ezekiel 28:24, Matthew 7:16, Matthew 13:22, Luke 8:7, Luke 8:14.

Paul says Satan sent a messenger to constantly cause him trouble, no doubt through the people and life’s hardships.
Just read a few scriptures down in Corinthians where Paul speaks of the thorn in his flesh and it will tell you what Paul was talking about.


10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

See 2 Corinthians 12:10. NOT A SINGLE WORD ABOUT HIM SINNING.


So you see it is all the trouble wherever he went.

It was in infirmities when he was sick and abused and treated badly by other people, from being persecuted, his beatings and being hungry and in need of other life necessities, like clothes and shelter. It was all because he preached the gospel.

No, I don't think it was from sin. This is a good thought though.

 

[God's Truth]

And some people get healed when a single person prays for them.

Right.

What I do know is that sin is a universal problem. Sometimes you have to root it out yourself and sometimes other people are needed to help you (especially when it is deeply engrained in early childhood trauma)

A person can be helped by just the Lord when they have deeply ingrained childhood trauma.

I also know that both Paul and James agree on one thing: that we are to pray for one another.

If we have people to pray for us, sure, I hope they will, as I will.

To say it's not needed or that there is no liability incurred for refusing to do so would imply that it is useless.

I just don't believe it is always needed, except for the one person to pray to God for their own problem.

And to argue that it's useless because some people are an island is also a distortion,

Where did anyone say it was useless?
God does know when He is all a person has.

and I feel like you would argue it is unfair to the single island person,

Unfair to the single island person?

that much is accomplished elsewhere by the multi body island people who pray for each other.

If it's unfair, then so is the rest of this planet.

Not sure of what you mean.

 

[God's Truth]

No, I don't think it was from sin. This is a good thought though.

There are a lot of people who claim it was sin. There are also people who think Paul had a lot of illnesses and that God wouldn't heal him of them. The scriptures show that Paul's thorn is from people mistreating him for his preaching the gospel.

 

[joestue]

A lot of these disagreements can be solved by accepting the fact that information itself is a double edged sword. You should desire more but are not condemned for not desiring more. God can push us to maturity but the velocity at which he does so is a variable we are not entirely responsible for.

The entire new testament supports praying for everyone, including your enemies. The OT, far less so.

Does this mean people who do not have anyone praying for them are at a disadvantage? I'm sure they are.
Are they justified in being angry about that? No, Because Jesus is the only appointed judge. I cannot be angry at a spiritual child who does not know they should be mature.

I cannot be angry at a diagnosed autistic person who does not have the mental capacity to know that they aren't autistic, but rather have entire brain structures are shut down due to trauma they don't remember yet, and with a few years of prayer and therapy they can be completely healed. I can't even be angry if I tell them this and they completely reject it, because.. it wasn't the time to tell them that.. God doesn't give us information we can't handle yet, which is why many remain immature without other people living out what maturity might even look like, so they can witness it in real life and hopefully might be inspired to seek maturity.

However if instead I point out that their seeking validation in their diagnosis is hindering God from healing them... They will still get angry but they might begin to accept that they: know that already.

 

[God's Truth]

A lot of these disagreements can be solved by accepting the fact that information itself is a double edged sword. You should desire more but are not condemned for not desiring more. God can push us to maturity but the velocity at which he does so is a variable we are not entirely responsible for.

Are you talking about me, or yourself, or 'you' in general?

The entire new testament supports praying for everyone, including your enemies. The OT, far less so.

Does this mean people who do not have anyone praying for them are at a disadvantage? I'm sure they are.

Oh no way, get real. Jesus doesn't help those who know more people.

Are they justified in being angry about that? No, Because Jesus is the only appointed judge. I cannot be angry at a spiritual child who does not know they should be mature.

I cannot be angry at a diagnosed autistic person who does not have the mental capacity to know that they aren't autistic, but rather have entire brain structures are shut down due to trauma they don't remember yet, and with a few years of prayer and therapy they can be completely healed.

There is no such thing as an autistic person being that way because of trauma in childhood.

I can't even be angry if I tell them this and they completely reject it, because.. it wasn't the time to tell them that.. God doesn't give us information we can't handle yet, which is why many remain immature without other people living out what maturity might even look like, so they can witness it in real life and hopefully might be inspired to seek maturity.

However if instead I point out that their seeking validation in their diagnosis is hindering God from healing them...

...their seeking validation in their diagnosis?

They will still get angry but they might begin to accept that they: know that already.

Just go by the scriptures.
We are to pray when we are in trouble.
We can ask others to pray for us.
Jesus was helping Paul when he had no one.

God isn't going to help someone because they know more people than another.

 

[GodB4Us]

Our church went through his entire series "Have You Forgotten the Why?" He is a very good teacher who teaches the Word of God and done many miracles in Jesus Name.

Prove everything with Jesus Christ by the scripture, sister. Miracles are not a sure sign that professing believers are abiding in Him.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

1 Timothy 6: 3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. 6 But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness. 12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. 13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; 14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

It doesn't read to me that Andrew Wommack is keeping that commandment at all. Looking for hope in financial gains by giving, is hardly being content with what we have. His teaching is for believers to become covetous instead. Shun him.