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Yet another false teacher

@Bill

Paul still addressed the offender in question as a brother still, so there is no doubt coming from Paul that he was saved. Look at what Paul testify to the results for excommunicating the offending brother.

1 Corinthians 5:1It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.


This is why God is judging His House first at the pre great tribulation rapture event in regards to the Marriage Supper. Those saved believers not found abiding in Him, will be excommunicated from that Marriage Supper since churches are not to eat with those brothers living in unrepentant sin.

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.


Salvation is not lost but being partakers of the firstfruits of the resurrection in being received as that vessel unto honor in His House ... is that loss. This is where the vessels unto dishonor comes from that did not depart from iniquity before the Bridegroom had come. This is why even former believers are called to depart from iniquity so they will not be denied by Him, but even though left behind as denied by Him, He still abides, albeit too late for the reception of the Bridegroom.

Being received by Him as that vessel unto honor in His House is the eternal glory that comes with our salvation in Christ Jesus, for why the call to depart from iniquity in getting ready for the Bridegroom is what that race is all about.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

In regards to the apostasy in these latter days where believers believe the lie that they can receive the holy Ghost again, as they are at risked of being damned in being left behind in becoming vessels unto dishonor in His House, ( ( see the risk of damnation in verse 12 ) in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-15 , Paul goes on to the next chapter addressing those that have fallen away from the faith in 2 Thessalonians 3:1-7 and yet when giving the commandment from the Lord to withdraw from them, it was not to treat them as the enemy as if they were not really saved, but because they are saved for why they are to withdraw from them as admonishing them as brothers still because they are still saved.

2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you: 2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. 3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil. 4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you. 5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ. 6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh dis orderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;

14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

Since Paul still calls them brothers even when having gone astray, you should not assume that Paul was doubting they were truly saved.
Paul was afraid that some were not saved.

We have to repent of our sins to get saved, and to stay saved.

2 Corinthians 12:21 I am afraid that when I come again, my God may humiliate me before you, and I will grieve for many of those who previously sinned and have not repented of the impurity, sexual immorality, and licentiousness that they have practiced.
 
Paul was not talking about loss of salvation, but being disqualified to attend the Marriage Supper in Heaven, thus becoming a vessel unto dishonor in His House. See post # 136 again which is before this post in this very thread.
Of course Paul was talking about loss of salvation, he says plainly that he didn't want to be CASTAWAY.

1 Corinthians 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
 
Paul was afraid that some were not saved.

We have to repent of our sins to get saved, and to stay saved.

2 Corinthians 12:21 I am afraid that when I come again, my God may humiliate me before you, and I will grieve for many of those who previously sinned and have not repented of the impurity, sexual immorality, and licentiousness that they have practiced.
2 Corinthians 12:21 is not Paul saying he was afraid they were not saved, but afraid to find that those brothers have no repented yet of their sins.

Paul still addressed the offender in question as a brother still, so there is no doubt coming from Paul that he was saved. Look at what Paul testify to the results for excommunicating the offending brother.

1 Corinthians 5:1It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

This is why God is judging His House first at the pre great tribulation rapture event in regards to the Marriage Supper. Those saved believers not found abiding in Him, will be excommunicated from that Marriage Supper since churches are not to eat with those brothers living in unrepentant sin.

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.


Salvation is not lost but being partakers of the firstfruits of the resurrection in being received as that vessel unto honor in His House ... is that loss. This is where the vessels unto dishonor comes from that did not depart from iniquity before the Bridegroom had come.
 
Of course Paul was talking about loss of salvation, he says plainly that he didn't want to be CASTAWAY.

1 Corinthians 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

How do you rectify Paul's reference to casting out if He can lose none of all the Father has given Him? Let us look at the parable of the ten virgins for that answer.

Ask the Lord for wisdom now.

From the very first verse, we see that the ten virgins ARE the kingdom of heaven, meaning they are saved as they went forth to meet the Bridegroom, but alas 5 were foolish.

Matthew 25:1Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: 4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. 9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. 13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Any work of iniquity on that foundation defiles the temple of God and any iniquity is a work that denies Him for why He denies them. This is not meaning they are not saved, but because of His words, anyone verbally denying Him, they will be denied by Him just as any works that deny Him such as any iniquity, will bear the same results, but do note this truth that He even still abides in former believers for why they are still His & thus saved even though denied by Him & left behind for not being ready as found abiding in him & His words to be received as that vessel unto honor in His House.

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

2 Timothy 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

I find repeating myself is meaning the Lord is not working between us. So I am going to take a break and pray for you to address the scriptures I have shared since I have addressed yours by the grace of God & His help.
 
Paul still addressed the offender in question as a brother still, so there is no doubt coming from Paul that he was saved. Look at what Paul testify to the results for excommunicating the offending brother.t.

This is why God is judging His House first at the pre great tribulation rapture event in regards to the Marriage Supper. Those saved believers not found abiding in Him, will be excommunicated from that Marriage Supper since churches are not to eat with those brothers living in unrepentant sin.


Salvation is not lost but being partakers of the firstfruits of the resurrection in being received as that vessel unto honor in His House ... is that loss. This is where the vessels unto dishonor comes from that did not depart from iniquity before the Bridegroom had come.
This marriage supper exclusion but still being saved should be in a thread of its own.

There are believers who will suffer wrath.
Jesus is coming as a thief in the night and we have to be clothed with him, and that means when he comes we have to be obeying him.
 
How do you rectify Paul's reference to casting out if He can lose none of all the Father has given Him? Let us look at the parable of the ten virgins for that answer.

Ask the Lord for wisdom now.
The Lord has given me wisdom about it.
You don't accept accept what Paul says about being cast out.
 
This marriage supper exclusion but still being saved should be in a thread of its own.

There are believers who will suffer wrath.
Jesus is coming as a thief in the night and we have to be clothed with him, and that means when he comes we have to be obeying him.
How do you explain believers suffering the wrath?
 
How do you explain believers suffering the wrath?


There will be some who repent during God’s wrath. There will be some who know better but they sinned, so they will suffer blows and wrath and they are the ones who can still repent to be saved.


Revelation 11:13 And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand were killed in the quake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Luke 12:47 "The servant who knows the master's will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.
 
There will be some who repent during God’s wrath. There will be some who know better but they sinned, so they will suffer blows and wrath and they are the ones who can still repent to be saved.


Revelation 11:13 And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand were killed in the quake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Luke 12:47 "The servant who knows the master's will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.
You realize of course that if you are not a believer, you are not a Christian? But you are correct in one thing....If you are a Christian, and you are not ready, you will not be caught up, you will not be part of the bride...but you will still be saved if you can keep your faith till the second coming at the end of the tribulation period
 
You realize of course that if you are not a believer, you are not a Christian?
Of course. We have to believe and obey Jesus. Why would you ask such a thing?
But you are correct in one thing....If you are a Christian, and you are not ready, you will not be caught up, you will not be part of the bride...but you will still be saved if you can keep your faith till the second coming at the end of the tribulation period
I don't agree with you.
 
So then if you ARE a believer you will be caught up and not experience the wrath.....Don't believe me? Makes no difference to the facts
Why don't you answer any questions?
Tell me why did you say this to me: "You realize of course that if you are not a believer, you are not a Christian?"

And why do you say in this post if you are a believer you will be caught up and not experience the wrath, when I gave you scriptures about some believers being punished in the wrath?
 
Paul was afraid that some were not saved.

We have to repent of our sins to get saved, and to stay saved.

2 Corinthians 12:21 I am afraid that when I come again, my God may humiliate me before you, and I will grieve for many of those who previously sinned and have not repented of the impurity, sexual immorality, and licentiousness that they have practiced.
As far as i know Paul, he was never afraid after Jesus came into his life. And he still is unafraid
 
So then if you ARE a believer you will be caught up and not experience the wrath.....Don't believe me? Makes no difference to the facts
Lol foolish statement

Even if you want to follow the Rapture teaching, scripture never states who is staying on the planet and who is not. It only states two will be walking in the field. It never seems to occur to people, both could be Christians.
 
So then if you ARE a believer you will be caught up and not experience the wrath.....Don't believe me? Makes no difference to the facts
Why does the Christian, who is supposed to be so much better than everyone else, as far as prepared in Jesus.

Why are they the ones to tuck tail and run when the world needs them most. So you are saying the modern Christians are the most cowardly. That i can believe ( here in America ) . They certainly dont suffer. Not like in China where the very knowledge of you being Christian will have you tortured and killed.

And who are the ones who have been washed in the blood of the Lamb? Scripture states thier number could not be counted
 
You realize of course that if you are not a believer, you are not a Christian? But you are correct in one thing....If you are a Christian, and you are not ready, you will not be caught up, you will not be part of the bride...but you will still be saved if you can keep your faith till the second coming at the end of the tribulation period
You will eat your own words. Lmao.

What will be your excuse once you realize the 6th seal has been broken ?
 
As far as i know Paul, he was never afraid after Jesus came into his life. And he still is unafraid
You can't see?

What does the scripture say?

2 Corinthians 12:21 I am afraid that when I come again, my God may humiliate me before you, and I will grieve for many of those who previously sinned and have not repented of the impurity, sexual immorality, and licentiousness that they have practiced.

You don't like NASB?

You only want the KJV?

King James Bible
And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.


Using a different translation doesn't change the truth!
Paul didn't think they were saved because they didn't repent of their sins.

In the KJV, Paul says that he shall BEWAIL many.

That is about crying over some because they might not really be saved.
 
Lol foolish statement

Even if you want to follow the Rapture teaching, scripture never states who is staying on the planet and who is not. It only states two will be walking in the field. It never seems to occur to people, both could be Christians.
Scripture certainly does say who is to be caught up..The bride and He describes who the bride is. I suspect you formed your opinion before you read the Word, then read only what proves your point
 
Why does the Christian, who is supposed to be so much better than everyone else, as far as prepared in Jesus.

Why are they the ones to tuck tail and run when the world needs them most. So you are saying the modern Christians are the most cowardly. That i can believe ( here in America ) . They certainly dont suffer. Not like in China where the very knowledge of you being Christian will have you tortured and killed.

And who are the ones who have been washed in the blood of the Lamb? Scripture states thier number could not be counted
Not better, just more prepared....Not running, they are standing for those who need us NOW when they are needed. When they are caught up....You had your chance! Just like they did
 
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