Do we watch videos now, to explain scripture? Im just curious, after all the talk about how all the churches are wrong, yet a video that comes from a church group is ok?
So you base everything on one video, and dont bother with learning anything from the Holy Spirit. Holy Cow !!!
Like I had posted earlier; you do not have to watch the video, but read the following 3 comments of mine after that OP involving scripture as the first one is addressing the pre great tribulation rapture while the second addresses why mid tribulation rapture only involves those 2 witnesses in Jerusalem and the third regarding the post great trib rapture is not having that resurrection of them meeting the Lord in the air but He is already on earth after the world's armies are defeated and Satan is in the pit for a thousand years for when that resurrection takes place afterwards.
I shall copy and paste my replies there to here for you to read. Do note scripture is being used for each of the views.
First reply from that thread
Paul warned us in Hebrews that any saved believer thinks that they need to receive another sacrifice for sins as if the blood of the covenant is likened unto the blood of goats & bulls that bears repeating, will incur God's wrath as He will judge His people for using communion in that way when communion is only to be done in remembrance of Him for what He has done at His death.
Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Catholics and Protestants claim they are not sacrificing Him all over again, but they are still receiving that same one time sacrifice for sins "again" that it bears repeating. Indeed, to believe His Presence is in the bread & the wine is to commit idolatry; thus making sacrifices of devils.
1 Corinthians 10
:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. 15 I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say. 16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? 17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread. 18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar? 19 What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing? 20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. 21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
22 Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he? 23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
Because of this kind of heresy is the proof that God's wrath can fall on believers as they can be at risk of being left behind as some Protestant churches do begin communion with "We come into His Presence today.." which is not in according to our faith when He is in us and with us always.
1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that
your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves.
Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:
and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
After reading this warning about how those who profess Him and yet because of this iniquity which I seem to read here that may pertain to how they are wrongfully doing communion, they can be denied by Him & left behind.
Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.
So we do not come to the Lord by way of communion; we come to the Lord by way of Jesus Christ, the Son of God as He is in us and with us always that we can worship Him any where to the glory of God the Father.
Anyway, God's wrath can fall on believers for not abiding in Him & His words ( Not verse 6 of
John 15:1-8 ). Those who are left behind are still His, but shall receive stripes per the knowledge they had for not being ready & lesser stripes per the knowledge they did not have, for not being ready, but still His servants (
Luke 12:40-49 ) because when they die (
Revelation 2:18-25 ), their spirits will be with the Lord in heaven (
1 Corinthians 3:10-17 &
2 Corinthians 5:7-11 ), awaiting their resurrection after the great tribulation to serve the King of kings on earth (
Revelation 20:1-6 ) as vessels unto dishonor in His House for not having departed from iniquity before the Bridegroom had come;
2 Timothy 2:19-21
Believers in these latter days need to trust the Lord Jesus Christ as their Good Shepherd to destroy the works of the devil in their lives to be abiding in Him and to help them be willing to go in leaving everything and every one behind when the Bridegroom comes.
Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away
. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and
cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure........ 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Second comment;
The Mid Tribulation rapture only involves the 2 witnesses that were killed in Jerusalem but for when they are resurrected, only to be called to come up hither.
Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. 11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them
, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
I believe those 2 witnesses are Enoch & Elijah, but just sharing that the mid tribulation has scripture only referring to those two witnesses that are to be raptured.
Third comment;
The post tribulation rapture does not take place in the air. Jesus Christ returns with the pre great tribulation raptured saints to do battle with the world's armies marching against Jerusalem as his feet will touch down on Mount Olives.
Zechariah 14:1Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah
: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
After that battle is over and Satan is defeated and in the pit for a thousand years, is when that "first" resurrection which is to happen "first" before the rest of the dead are resurrected later on at the great white throne judgment. A lot of believers seem to overlook verse 5 below for what is meant by "first resurrection" of those saints left behind and new believers that went through the great tribulation shall take place.
Revelation 20:1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
The post "rapture" is really just a resurrection when Jesus is already on earth. They are not meeting the Lord in the air at all.
May the Lord cause the increase for why the rapture is before the great tribulation because that is when God will judge His House first as there is necessity for believers to seek the Lord to get them ready as found abiding in Him to go or else, be left behind as excommunicated from the Marriage Supper table, but still His for He shall lose none of all the Father has given Him; for none shall be cast out of His kingdom but not all will be ready for the Supper in Heaven.
