70 Weeks of Daniel Prophecy - Already Fulfilled or Not?

[Jonathan_Gale]

The great day of the Lord and the return are the second coming is not the same thing. The great day of the Lord is the same thing as this breaking of the six seal

Yeah, I know, Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur. Not seven years apart though, but nine days, since Rosh Hashana is the first day of Tishri and Yom Kippur is the tenth.

 

[PloughBoy]

Brother you will get your horse but you're already too late for the white horse it is already come and gone

you think? well who stole the rest? Do think there are "horse Thieves in Heaven too?

 

[PloughBoy]

There's no such "if". When one dies, soul comes to the Bema seat, body becomes worm food. Before the Bema seat, Satan will be accusing us, since he's the "accuser of our brethren day and night", while Yeshua will defend us. There's no soul sleep, that's a total false doctrine, it's not even scientific since soul is more active during REM phase. In the end, He shall come and get us, that's the bodily resurrection.

Part of your Quote:
"There's no such "if". When one dies, soul comes to the Bema seat, body becomes worm food."

My response:
["What Lame Duck gave you that information"? Do you Drink Alcohol Beverages?... That was 2 questions, the last one, is a yes or no question. Just maybe, i think I will give you another. Do you even Know, what a "Biblical Doctrine" is? Now that makes 3, Questions. Feel free, that I might understand The Mind, you have, whether or not do you have the mind....ff. that is; The mind, that is in "CHRIST" The Anointed One of GOD.
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"Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others."

"Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.
As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:
So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider."




"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

And Now "Kemosabe" what say of you? just keep talking, keep digging that hole, and lengthening that rope. You have been warn. Now be nice. and go away and lick those wounds.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

["What Lame Duck gave you that information"? Do you Drink Alcohol Beverages?...

From apostle Paul, 2 Cor. 5:9-11. I’m tired of your mumble jumble nonsense, have a good day and god bless.

 

[PloughBoy]

From apostle Paul, 2 Cor. 5:9-11. I’m tired of your mumble jumble nonsense, have a good day and god bless.

Holy Scripture is always "TRUE" without error, But The problem about "Holy SCRIPTURE" is not "Scripture" but the one who reads it, and that is where the errors comes on how they read it.. Neither do they understand , "The TRUE", Written Words, that are found there.

The Words of Agur
"There is a generation of those who curse their fathers and do not bless their mothers. There is a generation of those who are pure in their own eyes and yet unwashed of their filth. There is a generation—how haughty are their eyes and pretentious are their glances—…"

 

[Sue D.]

I've been reading this entire section of conversation. So backing up a bit.

Jesus Christ comes twice. Once only part way to catch up all born again Christians both dead and alive . We will meet Jesus Christ is the air. The next time will be when He comes all the way back to earth and stands on the mount of olives. Zachariah 14;4. And vs 1 says "Behold the day of the Lord is coming.". And vs 9 " And the Lord shall be King over all the earth. ..."

The rapture is / will be very real . It is described in 1 Thessalonians 4: 13 - 18 -+ and the dead in Christ will rise first and then instantaniously those who are in Christ will be raised .. in the blink of an eye it will be happening.

 

[Sue D.]

Ascend means to go Up and descend means to go Down.

 

[Bill]

you think? well who stole the rest? Do think there are "horse Thieves in Heaven too?

My brother I know how so many people are so wound up thinking they know so much when they don't I didn't want to really get into all the other horses at the time

We are now only waiting on the breaking of the six seal. It will happen when the army of the North invades Israel. For as the scripture States, as they come on

 

[PloughBoy]

My brother I know how so many people are so wound up thinking they know so much when they don't I didn't want to really get into all the other horses at the time

We are now only waiting on the breaking of the six seal. It will happen when the army of the North invades Israel. For as the scripture States, as they come on

That is what you believe, that is no difference than the person, who believes; there is no GOD. and there are over 2 billion Confessed christians in this world and documented that they are "christians" and given evidence even by the witness of "Holy Scripture" and I will never call them a liar. If they say they are, i believe them. and honoring them as they have proclaim. "I will testify I am not one and do not want to be called one, not in this life and my GOD will never called me one , never, never throughout ETERNITY He would never call me a christian. {and take note, just maybe my GOD is a false one, that i believe in, but that day will come to see if i am a believer of that which is false or a believer of that which is real,

But I believe , that I am one of His CHILDREN, and he will always let me know the truth and never lie to me, and he ain't never called me a christian. And I believe that He will never give My HORSE away. He made him just for me and nobody else can ride him but me. I do not pay attention to a man that walks this planet, All men are liars and I would be a Fool to think they would tell me right, even their interpretation for what GOD has Said to me. And i do not want any one to take my words either for i am a man too, therefore I am a liar Too! and not to be trusted, therefore check me out.

"I Do Not Follow Men, Nor Hold Strong of The Words that Comes out of Their Mouths" I hear and I listen. But I am not around many.
"Be careful little eyes what you see, Be careful little Ears what you hear" "Didn't I Tell you "STOP" hanging around those kids, Now I am going to give you a "REMINDER" so you Will Not FORGET! TAKE Off That SHIRT! "Arch Angel Micheal" bring me That WHIP. LORD you might Kill him, Don't worry, I can bring Him Back.

So you see there are many gods in the world, and each god speaks to his child and they listen to their god.

My [our] FATHER speaks and we Listen, now for over 40 years, and he have never lied to me, he spoke and i listen and all, have come to past. Even when i did not had not read his word, that same word was written in the BOOK i already knew and heard It before I read it, I never really heard a preacher or pastor Preach it! The Angels of GOD have even came and rescue me and comforted me, So I got a horse, I know I got one, i do not have to believe, I know. and His name will not be "Trigger". and he will be white, "HEAVENLY WHITE", with no impurities in his gait or color. More brighter than the Stars in The SKY! And "lightening and Thunder" is going to be Flashing from the Hoofs of His FEET, and His Nostrils will be puffing Flames as if it was Smoke. but Full of GLORY! Jesus will not be driving a "BUGATTI" he is going to be Riding A White HORSE and His ARMIES will be Following and we will REIGN on Planet Earth with a "IRON ROD"! Many christians, buying and reading all those books entitled: "i been to heaven" and this is what i saw, Please, read The BIBLE as A BOOK! Over and over and over again until it "REIGNS in YOUR SOUL"! and Supersedes ALL! it is not Poison or Burdensome. it will not harm you or destroy you.
"My people are destroyed for Lack of Knowledge" "The knowledge that is written in The BOOK" The LACK . They pass between The Red SEA they Cross The "JORDAN" but when They entered the Land, they "Proclaim There Are GIANTS in The LAND"

You see i do not have faith in bible teachers, ministers, pastors, churches, and sure have no faith in people who write and sale books for profit. And I do not trust Bible translators, I check them out too, the whole committee, I do not trust dictionaries and lexicons, i check them out especially concerning biblical words and biblical Phrases and why the translators phrase it that way, and those who spoke in the bible, who they were, and whether that was their thoughts about God or Was it was GOD who revealed That TRUTH to them. or they where just speaking how they felt or what they believed and it was not what GOD had revealed or said..

They have said, My mother and many others have said< "who are you" and the look on their faces scares me, And I reply every time: "I DON:T KNOW" They say how you know this stuff, my reply I don't know! I just know! I know one thing, I do what he tells me to do. I been through to much.

I remember a friend and his sister who have known me all my life, and both have proclaim at different times, the stuff you have been through and come out bright as the SUN, one said that some of the stuff you been through "I would have put a gun to my head and pull the trigger! And some have said, when i was having so much trouble I thought about you how much trouble you have been through and it gave me Courage, if he can go through it i can too! My brother, my mothers said: "He can go through anything! "I had no Choice" they have lied on me, they have done things to me, both black and white, big time, the church and the people of this world even my wife have betrayed and told lies on me. cars ran me over, i have met death "Spiritually and Physically and mentally" and the Most Cruel of ALL has been The CHURCH, they will defend demons , witches , warlocks and devils than their very own, Known HISTORICAL BIBLICAL FACT! The Institutional Church is a HAVEN for unclean things and its occupants will contaminate the whole lump.

And now, "JUDGMENT Has Begone in The House They call, the house GOD" "An Ancient word ".

But I kept on Loving them BY staying on the TRUTH even unto their faces no compromise and refused to tell them LIES . For many times, I could feel Bitterness Creeping in and I would hear His soft voice to me, "love them anyhow" and i would pray give me the strength to love them anyhow, help me LORD, put it in me, And you talking about a hard prayer to pray and shape your words in your heart and mind even in the twilight hour,
But through it all, every time when i come out, and look back, I smile and kinda laugh, and laugh when i would talk about such events to other pastors and Minister when the occasion arise. they would say i see the Light in you. Sometimes the pain in my heart would drop me to my knees and I cannot get up even in a public place. and the tears would keep coming. For I was a Strong and Powerful man, but The love of GOD ways, would "buckle my knees' you talking about a broken heart. Obeying GOD.

12And his eyes are a flame of fire, and upon his head are many diadems; and he hath a name written which no one knoweth but he himself. 13And he is arrayed in a garment sprinkled with blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14And the armies which are in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and pure.

There is Only One CORONATION CEREMONY, And The BEMA SEAT is there And the CROWNING Of The KING and The kings and For This is The Award Place, and everybody "The HEAVENLY CREATURES, and THE ANGELS of GOD, AND ALL OF THE SAINTS are THERE. TO ENJOY AND GIVE GOD THE FATHER, GLORY, There is no such thing as a , "Private Personal Ceremony". We are One. One CORONATION TABLE! The Kings TABLE. And when The Ceremony is over, We will "SADDLE UP" After Orders, and We the ARMIES will follow HIM, Riding In "GLORY" coming to the EARTH! "FROM The FARTHEST HORIZON" NOW how far that is, i don't know .but i know it is Way beyond The Universe! And what A RIDE, It will be, "WE Will LIGHT up The UNIVERSE as We cross and Pass The STARS, A GLORY THAT A HUMAN HAS NEVER SEEN OR EVEN HEARD OF. of SUCH A THING!

Like John CALVIN, has said, the problem is with most christians their view of GOD is small, So their thinking is small and confined and not in "THE MAGNIFICENT"! MY Paraphrase of his explanation HIS "PREEMINENCE" "The Christ of GOD".

I come apart how that Glory is manifested within Me. "The Hope of GLORY" This world and Those Who are only Religious concerning The GLORY that is within "CHRIST" and Cannot or have The "ABILITY" to enter in. The Glory that is revealed within! " I will send another "ADVOCATE" and He will never ever leave you alone! They do not know what that MEANS Our GOD will NEVER LIE! You can TRUST HIM! Truly, if You HAVE BEEN BORN FROM ABOVE" you have had The HEAVENLY BIRTH! Born of GOD and Not the Birth that comes from the world! the birth from the woman's womb. you have to become a new CREATURE and Not that CREATURE that the world call a man, The earthling! We are more than that man , that earthling, who GOD CREATED in THAT GARDEN that Was in The beginning! we are nothing like him! and will not look like him, when we get our New Bodies to go with the NEW CREATURE in The INSIDE!

Adam and Eve can Never in all of Their GLORY can come any where near us even Heaven and all of its Creatures we will be beyond ALL their Expectations and Imaginations we will light up brighter than HEAVEN it Self!
yes shout! your redemption draws near.

Now Bill may i say, What are you wound up about? Now image that Ride, across THE UNIVERSE Brighter than The STARS, Don't worry your horse won't bite. And you talking about "POWER"! You will Feel the Glory and Power even of The Horse between your Legs! Riding on the Winds!

We will have not One dull moment once He appears , Throughout All ETERNITY where There is No End, Every Moment will be more Glorious than The moment that was before.

I can't wait, my expectation is high. I am not your everyday follow the preacher and the fairly tale books about heaven. "million" dollar business. "Fairly TALES" BOOKS about Heaven, "And the Devil Deceived The whole World" The WHOLE WORLD! Their books and The Word of God does not mix.

Another "Short Story"
PloughBOY

 

[Dave M]

We are now only waiting on the breaking of the six seal. It will happen when the army of the North invades Israel. For as the scripture States, as they come on

Care to explain why you think we are on the 6 th seal ?? I think a legitimate case could be make up to the 4th seal.

Not so sure 25% of the population has been killed yet, although it is maybe a possibility, we certainly have inflation over the planet, and one argue that peace from the planet has been removed but I am not so sure about that either

The Fourth Seal: Death

7 And when the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!”

8 Then I looked and saw a pale green horse. Its rider’s name was Death, and Hades followed close behind. And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill by sword, by famine, by plague, and by the beasts of the earth.

 

[Sue D.]

If I may interject a thought -- I don't think we've seen 'by the sword ' yet. Or by famine ,either. The verse uses the word 'and' not 'or' . We're leading Up to that for sure. Scripture says that these things will be getting progressively worse and worse which they are. Neither of you guys have experienced labor pains leading up to birth. Since I've had four kids, I know hoe that goes.


Wars and rumors Of wars we're in the process of that now. With this coming election -- the results could be the beginning of the end -- well-- eternity won't start for 1010 yrs or so.

 

[Sue D.]

This is an interesting/ thought provoking discussion.

 

[Bill]

That is what you believe, that is no difference than the person, who believes; there is no GOD. and there are over 2 billion Confessed christians in this world and documented that they are "christians" and given evidence even by the witness of "Holy Scripture" and I will never call them a liar. If they say they are, i believe them. and honoring them as they have proclaim. "I will testify I am not one and do not want to be called one, not in this life and my GOD will never called me one , never, never throughout ETERNITY He would never call me a christian. {and take note, just maybe my GOD is a false one, that i believe in, but that day will come to see if i am a believer of that which is false or a believer of that which is real,

But I believe , that I am one of His CHILDREN, and he will always let me know the truth and never lie to me, and he ain't never called me a christian. And I believe that He will never give My HORSE away. He made him just for me and nobody else can ride him but me. I do not pay attention to a man that walks this planet, All men are liars and I would be a Fool to think they would tell me right, even their interpretation for what GOD has Said to me. And i do not want any one to take my words either for i am a man too, therefore I am a liar Too! and not to be trusted, therefore check me out.

"I Do Not Follow Men, Nor Hold Strong of The Words that Comes out of Their Mouths" I hear and I listen. But I am not around many.
"Be careful little eyes what you see, Be careful little Ears what you hear" "Didn't I Tell you "STOP" hanging around those kids, Now I am going to give you a "REMINDER" so you Will Not FORGET! TAKE Off That SHIRT! "Arch Angel Micheal" bring me That WHIP. LORD you might Kill him, Don't worry, I can bring Him Back.

So you see there are many gods in the world, and each god speaks to his child and they listen to their god.

My [our] FATHER speaks and we Listen, now for over 40 years, and he have never lied to me, he spoke and i listen and all, have come to past. Even when i did not had not read his word, that same word was written in the BOOK i already knew and heard It before I read it, I never really heard a preacher or pastor Preach it! The Angels of GOD have even came and rescue me and comforted me, So I got a horse, I know I got one, i do not have to believe, I know. and His name will not be "Trigger". and he will be white, "HEAVENLY WHITE", with no impurities in his gait or color. More brighter than the Stars in The SKY! And "lightening and Thunder" is going to be Flashing from the Hoofs of His FEET, and His Nostrils will be puffing Flames as if it was Smoke. but Full of GLORY! Jesus will not be driving a "BUGATTI" he is going to be Riding A White HORSE and His ARMIES will be Following and we will REIGN on Planet Earth with a "IRON ROD"! Many christians, buying and reading all those books entitled: "i been to heaven" and this is what i saw, Please, read The BIBLE as A BOOK! Over and over and over again until it "REIGNS in YOUR SOUL"! and Supersedes ALL! it is not Poison or Burdensome. it will not harm you or destroy you.
"My people are destroyed for Lack of Knowledge" "The knowledge that is written in The BOOK" The LACK . They pass between The Red SEA they Cross The "JORDAN" but when They entered the Land, they "Proclaim There Are GIANTS in The LAND"

You see i do not have faith in bible teachers, ministers, pastors, churches, and sure have no faith in people who write and sale books for profit. And I do not trust Bible translators, I check them out too, the whole committee, I do not trust dictionaries and lexicons, i check them out especially concerning biblical words and biblical Phrases and why the translators phrase it that way, and those who spoke in the bible, who they were, and whether that was their thoughts about God or Was it was GOD who revealed That TRUTH to them. or they where just speaking how they felt or what they believed and it was not what GOD had revealed or said..

They have said, My mother and many others have said< "who are you" and the look on their faces scares me, And I reply every time: "I DON:T KNOW" They say how you know this stuff, my reply I don't know! I just know! I know one thing, I do what he tells me to do. I been through to much.

I remember a friend and his sister who have known me all my life, and both have proclaim at different times, the stuff you have been through and come out bright as the SUN, one said that some of the stuff you been through "I would have put a gun to my head and pull the trigger! And some have said, when i was having so much trouble I thought about you how much trouble you have been through and it gave me Courage, if he can go through it i can too! My brother, my mothers said: "He can go through anything! "I had no Choice" they have lied on me, they have done things to me, both black and white, big time, the church and the people of this world even my wife have betrayed and told lies on me. cars ran me over, i have met death "Spiritually and Physically and mentally" and the Most Cruel of ALL has been The CHURCH, they will defend demons , witches , warlocks and devils than their very own, Known HISTORICAL BIBLICAL FACT! The Institutional Church is a HAVEN for unclean things and its occupants will contaminate the whole lump.

And now, "JUDGMENT Has Begone in The House They call, the house GOD" "An Ancient word ".

But I kept on Loving them BY staying on the TRUTH even unto their faces no compromise and refused to tell them LIES . For many times, I could feel Bitterness Creeping in and I would hear His soft voice to me, "love them anyhow" and i would pray give me the strength to love them anyhow, help me LORD, put it in me, And you talking about a hard prayer to pray and shape your words in your heart and mind even in the twilight hour,
But through it all, every time when i come out, and look back, I smile and kinda laugh, and laugh when i would talk about such events to other pastors and Minister when the occasion arise. they would say i see the Light in you. Sometimes the pain in my heart would drop me to my knees and I cannot get up even in a public place. and the tears would keep coming. For I was a Strong and Powerful man, but The love of GOD ways, would "buckle my knees' you talking about a broken heart. Obeying GOD.

12And his eyes are a flame of fire, and upon his head are many diadems; and he hath a name written which no one knoweth but he himself. 13And he is arrayed in a garment sprinkled with blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14And the armies which are in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and pure.

There is Only One CORONATION CEREMONY, And The BEMA SEAT is there And the CROWNING Of The KING and The kings and For This is The Award Place, and everybody "The HEAVENLY CREATURES, and THE ANGELS of GOD, AND ALL OF THE SAINTS are THERE. TO ENJOY AND GIVE GOD THE FATHER, GLORY, There is no such thing as a , "Private Personal Ceremony". We are One. One CORONATION TABLE! The Kings TABLE. And when The Ceremony is over, We will "SADDLE UP" After Orders, and We the ARMIES will follow HIM, Riding In "GLORY" coming to the EARTH! "FROM The FARTHEST HORIZON" NOW how far that is, i don't know .but i know it is Way beyond The Universe! And what A RIDE, It will be, "WE Will LIGHT up The UNIVERSE as We cross and Pass The STARS, A GLORY THAT A HUMAN HAS NEVER SEEN OR EVEN HEARD OF. of SUCH A THING!

Like John CALVIN, has said, the problem is with most christians their view of GOD is small, So their thinking is small and confined and not in "THE MAGNIFICENT"! MY Paraphrase of his explanation HIS "PREEMINENCE" "The Christ of GOD".

I come apart how that Glory is manifested within Me. "The Hope of GLORY" This world and Those Who are only Religious concerning The GLORY that is within "CHRIST" and Cannot or have The "ABILITY" to enter in. The Glory that is revealed within! " I will send another "ADVOCATE" and He will never ever leave you alone! They do not know what that MEANS Our GOD will NEVER LIE! You can TRUST HIM! Truly, if You HAVE BEEN BORN FROM ABOVE" you have had The HEAVENLY BIRTH! Born of GOD and Not the Birth that comes from the world! the birth from the woman's womb. you have to become a new CREATURE and Not that CREATURE that the world call a man, The earthling! We are more than that man , that earthling, who GOD CREATED in THAT GARDEN that Was in The beginning! we are nothing like him! and will not look like him, when we get our New Bodies to go with the NEW CREATURE in The INSIDE!

Adam and Eve can Never in all of Their GLORY can come any where near us even Heaven and all of its Creatures we will be beyond ALL their Expectations and Imaginations we will light up brighter than HEAVEN it Self!
yes shout! your redemption draws near.

Now Bill may i say, What are you wound up about? Now image that Ride, across THE UNIVERSE Brighter than The STARS, Don't worry your horse won't bite. And you talking about "POWER"! You will Feel the Glory and Power even of The Horse between your Legs! Riding on the Winds!

We will have not One dull moment once He appears , Throughout All ETERNITY where There is No End, Every Moment will be more Glorious than The moment that was before.

I can't wait, my expectation is high. I am not your everyday follow the preacher and the fairly tale books about heaven. "million" dollar business. "Fairly TALES" BOOKS about Heaven, "And the Devil Deceived The whole World" The WHOLE WORLD! Their books and The Word of God does not mix.

Another "Short Story"
PloughBOY

It's okay brother I told you this before it would happen just to let you know

 

[Bill]

Care to explain why you think we are on the 6 th seal ?? I think a legitimate case could be make up to the 4th seal.

Not so sure 25% of the population has been killed yet, although it is maybe a possibility, we certainly have inflation over the planet, and one argue that peace from the planet has been removed but I am not so sure about that either

The Fourth Seal: Death

7 And when the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!”

8 Then I looked and saw a pale green horse. Its rider’s name was Death, and Hades followed close behind. And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill by sword, by famine, by plague, and by the beasts of the earth.

Even though the second third and fourth seals are written in like Domino's. the breaking of them is so quickly between the three of them that they are all spreading out at the same time
When the fifth seal breaks you will feel like you exhaled quickly it will take your breath away. It will happen just before the breaking of the six seal.

The reason that I say that we are on the threshold of The Sixth Seal is because the other five seals will not be noticed by many and even if they do speak out about those five seals no one will believe them it won't be until the breaking of the 6th seal that you will know exactly where you are and in the time of God as well

 

[Bill]

If I may interject a thought -- I don't think we've seen 'by the sword ' yet. Or by famine ,either. The verse uses the word 'and' not 'or' . We're leading Up to that for sure. Scripture says that these things will be getting progressively worse and worse which they are. Neither of you guys have experienced labor pains leading up to birth. Since I've had four kids, I know hoe that goes.


Wars and rumors Of wars we're in the process of that now. With this coming election -- the results could be the beginning of the end -- well-- eternity won't start for 1010 yrs or so.

Sue the three Horsemen the second the third and the fourth seal have already been released you haven't seen it yet but it's in the process of working. But you're going to see it very soon

 

[Sue D.]

Bill -- on what basis do you know that. If / since we haven't seen it yet , how is it that You have.

 

[Dave M]

Bill -- on what basis do you know that. If / since we haven't seen it yet , how is it that You have.

do you know the signs to look for with these seals ?

Inflation is one of them

 

[Sue D.]

Dave -- are you referring to vs 6 of Revelation 6 ?

 

[Brad Huber]

do you know the signs to look for with these seals ?

Inflation is one of them

a very corrupt media owned mostly by those in the NWO who are being led by the whispers of satan. That ensures that alot of reporting on such things will be buried.

 

[Bill]

Bill -- on what basis do you know that. If / since we haven't seen it yet , how is it that You have.

Amos chapter 3 verses 7 and 8