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[Quenton]

I said "self-righteous" because you are calling having a paying job "worldly," which makes every Christian who has a secular job a "friend of the world" (along with all the people who financially support those in ministry). The Bible doesn't say a secular job is being "of the world," YOU are saying it. Therefore, your supposed righteousness in this matter is coming from your own vain imaginations, not from God's word. Saying you are "self-righteous" was much less wordy.

It's pretty obvious you started this thread looking for support for your ideas that the person in whose house you're living apparently does not support (because it's anti-Scriptural). You have been very rude to other Christians who started out trying to help you by offering reasonable solutions to the problem you falsely identified as your real concern.

You obviously think that all the Christians on here are less spiritual than you, because you are treating them as though they are all worldly, while YOU are so spiritual. But just think about it for a moment... What motivation would a Christian have for believing it's okay to have a job? Would it be their flesh, because it's so much fun to work? Or could it possibly be that the Bible commands the believer to work to feed himself and his family (there are countless "worldly" Christians in the Bible who had paying secular jobs)? Compare that with what motivation someone would need to have for insisting it's evil to work for a living; that motivation would have to be either severe deception, or unrepented laziness.

You have basically scolded and even scoffed at those who are sharing what the Bible says about your refusal to earn a living. "They are not of us, because they will not hear us." It's pretty clear that you are not part of this community of Christians, because you are superior and more spiritual than it, and refuse to be taught by anyone who doesn't agree with you. But the Bible says you're worse than an unbeliever. THAT is why I called you self-righteous. The "lazy" part is obvious.

i'm starting to wonde3r if you aren't s.i.e i am saying having a job for personal gain is worldly doing it in Gods will is not. Clearly you didn't read this thread fully i am no where near the intellgence and wisdom of brightouse we just disagree on this matter. I am also not saying i am above anyone if you feel that i am that is your own judgement and it doesn't belong here. I want scripture if you refuse to provide scripture not only are you talking out of the secular but you will also be ignored from this point on and i am going back to ignoring s.i.e until he provides scripture (in context) cause thoses make good discussions.

btw i don't care if someone agrees with me or not i of course when asking for advise would want something that had to do with my situation but when i am asking for advise i am in no way asking for personal opinon without scripture. So please do not respond if you will not provide scripture that is not going anywhre i just want scripture. So once again t o you and s.i.e scripture in context than we can discuss anything else is going to be ignored.

thank you,
Me

 

[s.i.e.]

i'm starting to wonde3r if you aren't s.i.e

well...for you to know that, you would have to find a scripture for that, Quenton. And unless you have a scripture to throw at me regarding that....I'm going to ignore any and all of your allegations in this regard. Until then, I guess I'll just leave you guessing...but if you ask benfaust, he'll tell you that he isn't me.

I am appreciative of his comments though. He has been far more direct, to the point, and helpful than me. Thanks for setting that example benfaust!

i am going back to ignoring s.i.e until he provides scripture (in context) cause thoses make good discussions.

Careful Quenton - your obvious attempt to control and manipulate us is showing itself! In the meantime, you're quick to call things "worldly" or "of the world" as you pray for those same wordly/secular people to give you money because you live a most holy life of "financial believing". Yet...you move not a finger.

Wait...there's a Bible verse about that here:



Matthew 23:4 "They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them."

 

[Quenton]

well...for you to know that, you would have to find a scripture for that, Quenton. And unless you have a scripture to throw at me regarding that....I'm going to ignore any and all of your allegations in this regard. Until then, I guess I'll just leave you guessing...but if you ask benfaust, he'll tell you that he isn't me.

I am appreciative of his comments though. He has been far more direct, to the point, and helpful than me. Thanks for setting that example benfaust!




Careful Quenton - your obvious attempt to control and manipulate us is showing itself! In the meantime, you're quick to call things "worldly" or "of the world" as you pray for those same wordly/secular people to give you money because you live a most holy life of "financial believing". Yet...you move not a finger.

Wait...there's a Bible verse about that here:
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Matthew 23:4 "They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them."

keep yoour course jokes out..

response to your scripture..that is not saying what yo uwant it to say..if it is you'll have to explain how cause im not seeing it but use cripture to help youreslf out

 

[s.i.e.]

It wasn't a coarse joke. I'm using your same reasoning in responding to you, that you're using with all of us. Unfortunately, for you, it's not a joke or a coarse joke --- it's hypocrisy and self-righteousness.

As for the verse - I put it there because I'm seeing paralells in how you're interacting / thinking / writing here, and the pharisees. As for the explanation: I don't expect you to understand it (many here already have explained what they see here, for you, and have tried to offer help...but you haven't seen or noticed that either)...but I did explain it.

 

[benfaust]

My only account on TalkJesus is this one. I've seen you ignore posts FULL of relevant Scripture. Having a job only if it's God's will? If your provision isn't coming from the ministry, then it is God's will for you to have a job. Others have provided numerous (and in-context) Scriptures for that. I'm not going to repeat them; if you won't listen to others, there's no point in my wasting the same words on you again.

This thread wasn't about whether it's okay for someone to not work to support themselves as long as they think their laziness is mandated by God; rather, it was supposedly a request for advice on how to handle a situation in which someone doesn't want you to pray out loud. This was deceptive, since, as far as I can tell, the person is a Christian and has confronted you about praying for provision when you're unwilling to work for it. THAT was the real issue.

So no, I'm not planning to quote any more Scriptures (at least not with references, I've paraphrased several already), since you're not interested in hearing the ones others already referenced which specifically address the fact that God expects us to earn a living -- either from full-time ministry, or from secular employment. There's no third option. And if the person giving you a place to live thinks you should get a job and help pay your way, but you refuse, then no amount of "I'm not part of the world" is going to make you right with God, who already said that if you don't work, you shouldn't be allowed to eat, and you're worse than an unbeliever. It's a very dangerous place to be, stopping up your ears to God's voice when He doesn't say what you want to hear. And there's no point in any of us saying anything else to someone who has an unteachable spirit and who won't hear even the word of God.

 

[Quenton]

back in the bible days how many jobs did men have?(those not in the ministry such as the disciples)

 

[benfaust]

back in the bible days how many jobs did men have?(those not in the ministry such as the disciples)

Back in the Bible days, how many computers did men have? (I see your fingers in your ears.)

 

[Quenton]

how many jobs did solomon do to get rich?

 

[benfaust]

how many jobs did solomon do to get rich?

Try ruling a nation for awhile, then come back and ask that question again. (Your fingers are still in your ears, and you keep asking silly questions in an attempt to keep them there.)

 

[Quenton]

how many jobs did abraham do?

 

[benfaust]

I'll bite on this one. Did you know that, in Jewish culture, the work week was six days, not five? Many times a worker would start in the early morning and work until dark. That could be a 14-hour day. That's 84 hours per week. Compare that with an average work week today, that that's equivelant to at least two jobs. You keep side-stepping the main issues, the ones that confront you, and it's beyond annoying. You won't share the details of the actual situation, presumably because you're afraid of the truth being laid bare for everyone to see.

 

[Quenton]

how many jobs did Joseph of Armathea do?(im not compeltley fimilar with him i'll have to read up on him more

 

[Quenton]

how many jobs did the disciples do to feed the 5000?

 

[benfaust]

They were full-time ministry and had enough funds from the ministry to pay their bills. Why don't you tell the details of your situation? Why do you keep ignoring direct questions? What are you hiding?

 

[Quenton]

did job work for his richness? (and no going through what wwe went through doesen't count because he was rich before that...

 

[benfaust]

Until you stop ignoring my questions, I'm going to return the favor.

 

[Quenton]

They were full-time ministry and had enough funds from the ministry to pay their bills. Why don't you tell the details of your situation? Why do you keep ignoring direct questions? What are you hiding?

since yo utried on this one ill respond to it..actually the disciples did not have the money...like very often if youd like i can post scripture

 

[benfaust]

since yo utried on this one ill respond to it..actually the disciples did not have the money...like very often if youd like i can post scripture

The point was they worked. The times they lacked something, it was provided. Judas was the treasurer, and there was enough in the treasury for him to pilfer.

However, this line of questioning is a diversion. Let me repeat my more relevant question to get us back on track:

What are the details of your situation? When asked, you divert by asking questions. What are you hiding?

 

[s.i.e.]

This thread wasn't about whether it's okay for someone to not work to support themselves as long as they think their laziness is mandated by God; rather, it was supposedly a request for advice on how to handle a situation in which someone doesn't want you to pray out loud. This was deceptive, since, as far as I can tell, the person is a Christian and has confronted you about praying for provision when you're unwilling to work for it. THAT was the real issue.

(emphasis, mine. nuf said there)




Quenton: you are here, asking this question to us, because you know you are living in self-deceit. You are trying really hard to make yourself comfortable with that, by trying to find justification through scripture for living on what I might call the "Christian dole". You say you're working for God, but you insult all of us who have "secular jobs" --- yet the people who sign my paycheck are no less "secular" than the people who give you paychecks. Go look at your checks that people give you, and you will find that they didn't come from heaven, but ordinary common folks who believe in you for whatever reasons of theirs.

We all work for God, brother. You consider your preaching more spiritual, and a higher-calling, yet you are not even comfortable with yourself in how you operate your own life.

So, we could run ourselves through your silly gauntlet of questions, but we all know by now that you are simply rejecting anything that you disagree with, and accepting (although, I have yet to see you do that with anyone in this thread, yet. Apologies in advance for anything I may have missed...but I can't recall it) those that back up your already chosen truths. Chosen truths, is your m.o.

But you've proven that this is just an excercise in your mission to data-mine. Even scriptures that would speak to your situation, you say you interpret differently.

Self-deceit, blindness, hypocrisy, unteachability (sorry if that's not a word), and self-righteousness? Last I checked, those particular 6 traits do not crossover with any of the 9 fruits of the spirit. I would give you a verse for the fruits of the spirit, but you already know what it is.


What you should get from all this, is that you are in a bad way. You are messed up. You are in a bad place, and on a bad path.

You should consider your steps, and open your eyes and ears, for your sake.

 

[Quenton]

The point was they worked. The times they lacked something, it was provided. Judas was the treasurer, and there was enough in the treasury for him to pilfer.

However, this line of questioning is a diversion. Let me repeat my more relevant question to get us back on track:

What are the details of your situation? When asked, you divert by asking questions. What are you hiding?

working and never having money what good is that? and God provideed them that is the reason they had the money.
actually these questions were in no response to you as i have already pointed out you aren't helpful until you can be helpful i can't give you every single detail because at this time all i think you'll do is judge me and i'm not interested in going through that.
but if you'd like to discuss things and work towards that start talking scripturally atleast you seem to have cooled off...thats good