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[benfaust]

working and never having money what good is that? and God provideed them that is the reason they had the money.
actually these questions were in no response to you as i have already pointed out you aren't helpful until you can be helpful i can't give you every single detail because at this time all i think you'll do is judge me and i'm not interested in going through that.
but if you'd like to discuss things and work towards that start talking scripturally atleast you seem to have cooled off...thats good

That's what I thought. You think you'll be judged because you already know the truth, as s.i.e. just pointed out. Fear of judgment generally points to a suppressed realization of guilt. If you're afraid to be honest about your life, I'm not going to waste any more time playing your childish games.

 

[Quenton]

That's what I thought. You think you'll be judged because you already know the truth, as s.i.e. just pointed out. If you're afraid to be honest about your life, I'm not going to waste any more time playing your childish games.

you have it backwards i kno wyoou'll judge me so i m going to waste my time posting so you can. i know the truth God provides me with money I work for Him not man...you don't know that truth and you've proven my point you are one hateful seeming christian if i wasnt a christian people like you and s.i.e would make me not want to be one good thing i already am and you two don't really matter regarding your opinon. i wish there was a ignore button on this site.

 

[s.i.e.]

God provides me with money I work for Him not man...

Really? I mean...more than how God also provides me with money? Ok...go scan a copy of your last check that you received, and I want to see what God's signature looks like Quenton. I had no idea that God had a bank account by which He could write checks from, and deposit them in people's laps.

you don't know that truth

Now how on there Quenton - you're a preacher, you're not God. Only God would know if we knew "that truth". You can read hearts, can you?

and you've proven my point you are one hateful seeming christian

ugh. I guess I'm hateful. At least, that's what one of God's preacher's once told me. ugh.

if i wasnt a christian people like you and s.i.e would make me not want to be one

Funny you say that. I am a Christian...and I became one, and have remained one, in spite of the showing that you have just demonstrated here, that I have witnessed so often among those who claim Christ's name. I am a Christian...and I will remain one in spite of this showing.

you two don't really matter regarding your opinon

ugh. I guess I don't matter. I'm a nothing.
...at least, that's what one of God's preacher's once told me. Man...that's really hard to hear. Especially from one of God's chosen evangels.

 

[Quenton]

Jesus got money out of a fishes mouth he didn't go get a job

 

[benfaust]

In your quote, you left out one sentence. That was part of an edit, so it's my fault it didn't get through. It's something you might want to seriously consider, since you're afraid that telling the truth about your situation on which you want counsel will result in your getting judged (by people whose comments supposedly don't mean anything to you):

Fear of judgment generally points to a suppressed realization of guilt.

 

[Quenton]

In your quote, you left out one sentence. That was part of an edit, so it's my fault it didn't get through. It's something you might want to seriously consider, since you're afraid that telling the truth about your situation on which you want counsel will result in your getting judged (by people whose comments supposedly don't mean anything to you):

Fear of judgment generally points to a suppressed realization of guilt.

making someone think your going to judge them is what sends people to hell everday...

im not afraid to get judged i just tend to not throw myself in front of a bus that i know is coming cause that is called suicide...give me someone who wants to know my situation to help and i'd tell them but im not telling someone who is hateful and doesn't care about me doesn'tshow they care and think i'm lower than a unbeliever you just don't belong in my thread.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

and God provideed them that is the reason they had the money.

By what means did God provide the money? Did it just magically appear? I don't think so. In Lk 5:4-11, God provided the fish but Peter, James and John had to work to haul them in, clean them, and sell them.

SLE

 

[Quenton]

By what means did God provide the money? Did it just magically appear? I don't think so. In Lk 5:4-11, God provided the fish but Peter, James and John had to work to haul them in, clean them, and sell them.

SLE

does God use magic?..no he uses his power etc.

explain the money in the fish...i realize at times we have to step out for God to do things i don't think though we have to have every job out there to do that...until Jesus said this though they got nothing out of their job

 

[s.i.e.]

i realize at times we have to step out for God to do things i don't think though we have to have every job out there to do that...until Jesus said this though they got nothing out of their job

How you extrapoloate all that out of the Bible is anyones guess.

Also, let's bring it back to something we can deal with: we're not talking about having "every job out there", we're talking about you having a job to provide for you and your household. Only you might know how many jobs, or what level of pay, is needed for that provision.

 

[jiggyfly]

Jesus got money out of a fishes mouth he didn't go get a job

However, we don't want to offend them, so go down to the lake and throw in a line. Open the mouth of the first fish you catch, and you will find a large silver coin. [fn] Take it and pay the tax for both of us." Matt. 17:27

Actually Pete got the money out of the fish's mouth but he had to do something to get it, it wasn't just handed to him.

 

[Quenton]

However, we don't want to offend them, so go down to the lake and throw in a line. Open the mouth of the first fish you catch, and you will find a large silver coin. [fn] Take it and pay the tax for both of us." Matt. 17:27

Actually Pete got the money out of the fish's mouth but he had to do something to get it, it wasn't just handed to him.

was it a job? not really

 

[benfaust]

I see you're still busy diverting attention away from your real situation (and the first supposed point of this thread is a distant memory). Any time someone is hiding something, they are automatically suspect, so you shouldn't be surprised. Christians don't hide things from other Christians in fear of judgment unless, deep down, they believe they should be judged. It's quite possible that this is the real reason you started this thread, was in the hopes of receiving justification from other believers.

I believe some things that many other Christians believe are wrong. But I have no desire to hide them from anyone. If I did, that would suggest my conscience isn't clear concerning those matters.

I don't hide for the following reasons:


1. I could be wrong. I'm not under the delusion that I am infallible. Maybe some Christians judge me because they are mistaken; but just maybe they judge me because I am wrong. And if the latter is true, I hope and pray that I keep getting called on the carpet, that God opens my eyes, and that someone is able to find something in Scripture to support what I consider to be superstition. We all have blind spots. We're all wrong about something. And we all need to listen humbly to other believers, knowing that some of them will have clear vision in those areas in which we cannot see.


2. As a Christian, and especially as a pastor, I am commanded to hold myself accountable to others in the body of Christ. I must be transparent, hiding nothing. If I have something to hide from others, I have no place in the ministry until I get that taken care of.


3. God commands us to be humble. If I think that I am definitely right and everyone who disagrees with me is definitely wrong and just needs to learn the truth from me, I am puffed up with pride. If I hide my life from others because I think they will judge me, and I am above reproach and not subject to correction from others (who obviously aren't as spiritual as I), then I am puffed up with pride. We know that God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble. I need God's grace just as much as anyone else; and since I work in the ministry as a leader, I need His grace that much more, since I will be held to a higher standard of judgment.


I encourage you to humble yourself and stop hiding from the body. Those who hide are either going to become sick or are sick already. We ALL need to be transparent so the rest of the body can do its God-ordained job of seeing in our blind spots, correcting us when needed, and encouraging and challenging us to walk as we should and so that we can be healed.

 

[Quenton]

I see you're still busy diverting attention away from your real situation (and the first supposed point of this thread is a distant memory). Any time someone is hiding something, they are automatically suspect, so you shouldn't be surprised. Christians don't hide things from other Christians in fear of judgment unless, deep down, they believe they should be judged. It's quite possible that this is the real reason you started this thread, was in the hopes of receiving justification from other believers.

I believe some things that many other Christians believe are wrong. But I have no desire to hide them from anyone. If I did, that would suggest my conscience isn't clear concerning those matters.

I don't hide for the following reasons:


1. I could be wrong. I'm not under the delusion that I am infallible. Maybe some Christians judge me because they are mistaken; but just maybe they judge me because I am wrong. And if the latter is true, I hope and pray that I keep getting called on the carpet, that God opens my eyes, and that someone is able to find something in Scripture to support what I consider to be superstition. We all have blind spots. We're all wrong about something. And we all need to listen humbly to other believers, knowing that some of them will have clear vision in those areas in which we cannot see.


2. As a Christian, and especially as a pastor, I am commanded to hold myself accountable to others in the body of Christ. I must be transparent, hiding nothing. If I have something to hide from others, I have no place in the ministry until I get that taken care of.


3. God commands us to be humble. If I think that I am definitely right and everyone who disagrees with me is definitely wrong and just needs to learn the truth from me, I am puffed up with pride. If I hide my life from others because I think they will judge me, and I am above reproach and not subject to correction from others (who obviously aren't as spiritual as I), then I am puffed up with pride. We know that God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble. I need God's grace just as much as anyone else; and since I work in the ministry as a leader, I need His grace that much more, since I will be held to a higher standard of judgment.


I encourage you to humble yourself and stop hiding from the body. Those who hide are either going to become sick or are sick already. We ALL need to be transparent so the rest of the body can do its God-ordained job of seeing in our blind spots, correcting us when needed, and encouraging and challenging us to walk as we should and so that we can be healed.

i already said that anyone of respect will hear my story but i will not hand you my life so you can try to tear me down because honestly right now life isn't easy there is something i have to persevre over or my whole life will crumble so I know God will come through. I'm sure you'll say some disrespectful unneeded thing about that seeing how you've only came in here to bash at me. I wish i was strong as i have been in the past but right now i'm not. But God is so I"m just trying to trust him.

 

[s.i.e.]

was it a job? not really

Then perhaps, God is asking you to start your own business, Quenton?


You say you don't want to debate or argue, but when anyone brings up something you don't agree with --- ascribed with verses, or not --- you disagree or want to argue.

Help us in our wondering: if you can imagine someone writing something here to you that would cause you to have your original question answered, what is it that you imagine them saying to you? What would that look like?

What could anyone say to you that you might accept, either as good advice, or as such exhortation that you would listen to that might cause you to actually change course (which you've already said you have no intention or doing)?

(note: we've already witnessed, numerous times, that someone simply quoting verses to you, doesn't change how you act or react, accept, or don't accept...so for you to say that this theoretical person would only have to quote good scripture to you would be an untruth)



ps: I expect you to ignore me, because you haven't liked or appreciated my words of advice to you (certainly no offense taken on my part for that) and you've put me on notice that you intend to ignore.

That won't stop me from commenting on your thread. I can't recall a prophet in the O.T. that was accepted with lovingly open arms by those he exhorted...so, I consider my comments something I feel called to to be speaking to you in the same way they did.

 

[Quenton]

Then perhaps, God is asking you to start your own business, Quenton

I actually believe this may be true still listening to make sure

 

[benfaust]

i already said that anyone of respect will hear my story but i will not hand you my life so you can try to tear me down because honestly right now life isn't easy there is something i have to persevre over or my whole life will crumble so I know God will come through. I'm sure you'll say some disrespectful unneeded thing about that seeing how you've only came in here to bash at me. I wish i was strong as i have been in the past but right now i'm not. But God is so I"m just trying to trust him.

I'm sorry you feel as though I came in here to bash at you. I actually started off asking a question so I could better understand your situation, which you refused to answer. I saw that you were incredibly rude to everyone who was trying to help, and that is why I came on very strongly. I am generally a very gentle person. Your responses just came across as prideful and arrogant, and you obviously needed a kick in the pants. "Anyone of respect", from your responses to people, seems to be no one here. I suspect someone "of respect" would be someone who agrees with you. Show respect, and you're much more likely to receive it.

 

[Quenton]

I'm sorry you feel as though I came in here to bash at you. I actually started off asking a question so I could better understand your situation, which you refused to answer. I saw that you were incredibly rude to everyone who was trying to help, and that is why I came on very strongly. I am generally a very gentle person. Your responses just came across as prideful and arrogant, and you obviously needed a kick in the pants. "Anyone of respect", from your responses to people, seems to be no one here. I suspect someone "of respect" would be someone who agrees with you. Show respect, and you're much more likely to receive it.

no someone of respect is someone who accepts my request. Like Ed who posted scripture of context that gave me someone to respond to. You and s.i.e have not posted scripture in context(him) and you just won'tdiscuss them for your own reasons. I don't need someone to agree i just need help. Someone given words from God to tell me and I will know if those are from God if they liine up with His word.

 

[benfaust]

no someone of respect is someone who accepts my request. Like Ed who posted scripture of context that gave me someone to respond to. You and s.i.e have not posted scripture in context(him) and you just won'tdiscuss them for your own reasons. I don't need someone to agree i just need help. Someone given words from God to tell me and I will know if those are from God if they liine up with His word.

I have actually posted numerous Scriptures (just not accompanied with chapter and verse). The Bereans were considered "more noble" because they searched the Scriptures daily to see if what they were hearing was true (and they didn't have Google). They didn't demand chapter and verse, they did their own research. I have quoted (paraphrased and exact quotes) at least 10 passages of Scripture, which you have not discussed or even acknowledged. Don't ignore possible truth just because it doesn't come in the package in which you demand God to wrap it. When someone claims to be speaking the truth, it is YOUR responsibility to search the Scriptures, instead of just rejecting it because your part of the job isn't done for you.

 

[Quenton]

I have actually posted numerous Scriptures (just not accompanied with chapter and verse). The Bereans were considered "more noble" because they searched the Scriptures daily to see if what they were hearing was true. They didn't demand chapter and verse, they did their own research. I have quoted (paraphrased and exact quotes) at least 10 passages of Scripture, which you have not discussed or even acknowledged. Don't ignore possible truth just because it doesn't come in the package in which you demand God to wrap it. When someone claims to be speaking the truth, it is YOUR responsibility to search the Scriptures, instead of just rejecting it because your part of the work isn't done for you.

i don't know who the berans are...i ignore things that i don't believe is truth when did Christ ever listen to the pharisees "truth"? etc.
and i have been reading the scripture

let me ask you something if i told you to change your whole belief would you?

i'm not asking for people to agree with me but unless i get God saying this is truth I'm not going to change my belief until He changes it.

 

[s.i.e.]

I actually believe this may be true still listening to make sure

Thanks for your response to me Quenton. I appreciate it. I'll pray for you that you hear Him on this.

I encourage you to humble yourself and stop hiding from the body. Those who hide are either going to become sick or are sick already. We ALL need to be transparent so the rest of the body can do its God-ordained job of seeing in our blind spots, correcting us when needed, and encouraging and challenging us to walk as we should and so that we can be healed.

Those are great words for all of us. Thanks for bringing that here, benfaust. I know I need more of that, so I can also be healed.

no someone of respect is someone who accepts my request. Like Ed who posted scripture of context that gave me someone to respond to.

You're right about SLE...and in my brief observation of him, he offers a gentle, thoughtful, corrective (if need be) response. SLE - I appreciate you brother. But Quenton - readers wouldn't know you felt that way about his post, as all you did is challenge SLE's words/verse, and then ask a question back to him that was really more of a statement. So, again, I can't imagine what a post would look like that you would agree with, or be able to find help from?

You and s.i.e have not posted scripture in context(him) and you just won'tdiscuss them for your own reasons.

First, we have posted scriptures...but you reject them because you say you interpret them differently. Also, you apparently think they're not of context!? Again...posting scriptures seems to be your criteria...but when folks do, you find your own reasons to view them as irrelevant to you. As for us discussing them, you know that's not true Quenton. You have been the one avoiding questions and discussion here. We're wondering why.

I don't need someone to agree i just need help.

First of all, that is a BIG START, for you to verbalize that, and mention it here. Stay with that. That's a great path.

What is the help you need? I'm not sure anyone knows what that is.

Someone given words from God to tell me

How do you, or how would you know if those words haven't already been given to you by God?