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Even priests sinned and had to get purified from time to time.
Heb 7:27 who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.
Jesus doesn't have to sacrificed over and over. But we still need to forgiven over and over.
Luke 17:3; "Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.
Luke 17:4; "And if he sins against you seven times a day, and returns to you seven times, saying, 'I repent,' forgive him."
Who is the brother here? Your maternal sibling? Or another believer in the church? Why does he need to be forgiven?
Why do the gospels say over two dozens times to repent of our sins.
1 Jn 2:1; My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;
Who are the "little children" in the verse above? Children that haven't reached puberty or new believers? If it is unbelievers, how is Jesus their advocate?
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Hello James.
I have never recited the Lord's prayer James.
Older, conservative churches, like the catholic church tend to
recite the Lord's prayer.
If you wish to recite this prayer feel free to do as you wish.
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Romans 6
5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection,
6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.
7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.
8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,
9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him.
10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.
13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God
as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
Are you dead to sin B-A-C?
Hi B-A-C,
God's word is spiritual, so we should not interpret it in physical terms, as the natural man would.
1Cor 2:13,14
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
So what are those lusts etc that 1Pet 4:2 speak of?
Either they speak in spiritual terms of mans rebellion against God in seeking to establish their own righteousness OR
it speaks in physical terms of physical behavior/lifestyle.
If we were to see it in physical terms, as you suggest, then why is not "drunkeness, revellings, banquetings" listed in the 10 commandments? Afterall you are describing these as the wrong physical behaviors that the non-believers do. Are you suggesting these, amongst others in the Bible, should be added to the 10 commandments? If it were referring to physical behavior then the doctrine you propose suggests that God made a mistake in leaving such important items off the list of commandments.
Let's consider what 1Pet 4:1 says.
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh (crucified), arm yourselves likewise with the same mind (our old man crucified with Him, Rom 6:6): for he that hath suffered in the flesh (Rom 6:6) hath ceased from sin;
Ceased means stopped/ended.
And how did this happen?
Jesus was crucified for our sin. His sacrifice totally purged/cleansed us of sin (unlike the yearly sacrifices of bulls/goats). And being in Christ we were baptized into his death.
Rom 6:3
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him,
Gal 2:20
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
And note Rom 6:7
he who has died has been freed from sin.
Confirming 1Pet 4:1, that Christians have "ceased from sin", and 1John 3:9 "cannot sin"
And just a reminder, this is not speaking about the imperfect physical body we see. But our body is dead, by faith, anyway, Rom 8:10.
Christians are a new creation now. 2Cor 5:16,17
Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
So why judge whether we're righteous, etc or not based on how good a lifestyle we live? That is not how our righteousness. etc is determined. Instead we abide in Christ and in him there is no sin, 1John 3:5,6
But you differ with scripture with your claim that Christians have not ceased/stopped/ended from sin. You seem to suggest that Christ's sacrifice did not totally purge/cleanse us from sin and was no better than that of the yearly sacrifice of bulls/goats.
I can see that your doctrine is based on your need to see physical evidence in behavior/lifestyle before you will believe that in Christ you are righteous, holy, sanctified, perfected and without sin.
Thomas also would not believe Jesus rose from the dead until he saw the physical evidence.
Luke 20:25
Unless I see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.
If 1John1 spoke only to Christians then 1John 3:6-9 contradicts 1John 1:8-10 God does not contradict Himself.
Within churches today as well as the early church there are both believers and non-believers. Non-believers include those who claim to be Christians but by their works of the law they deny God. An example is the churches in Rev 2 and 3. Most of these churches are being called upon to repent of their unbelief or else.
Consider the evangelical ontext of 1John 1:1-8
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life—the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us— that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. And these things we write to you that yourjoy may be full. This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness (without Christ) we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
Here we see that those being addressed in 1John 1 are not in fellowship with Christ. So eternal life is being declared unto them so that they also may have the opportunity to have fellowship with the Father and His Son , Jesus Christ.
1John 1 speaks to those within the church who are in sin of unbelief, John 16:9
Unbelief in Jesus is the sin the world is convicted of.
So why would any Christian then be judging sin by transgression of the law that they're not under?
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Hi James1523
Consider the context of the Lord's prayer. Jesus was preaching the gospel to mankind. And when we receive Jesus our sins are forgiven, as the example in the Lord's prayer says.
And as Christians we also forgive one another. That means we show the same grace/love that God showed us. This means we do not judge anothers righteousness by works of the law. Anyone who does judge another to be unrighteousness/in sin has not forgiven them. Such people make themselves a judge.
Once in Christ we're a new creation.
2Cor 5:16,17
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
As we're a new creation in Christ, abiding in him 1John 3:6, why would we then say that Christians still sin? In Christ there is no sin, 1John 3:5 What are sinful people doing in Christ when in him there is no sin?
Christ's sacrifice totally purged/cleansed us of sin (unlike the yearly sacrifice of bulls/goats). Why would we then say that we still have sin?
And if Satan the accuser cannot charge us with sin then why would we still charge ourselves and each other with sin?
Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Jesus truly set us free from sin, John 8:36
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C.H. Spurgeon Quotes : ANTINOMIANISM
"We have in spiritual matters things called liberty which are no liberty. There is
Antinomian liberty—God deliver us from that! A man saith, “I am not under the law
of God, therefore I will live as I like.” A most blessed truth followed by a most
atrocious inference. 565.223"
The Antinomians are Coming! | Berean Publishers
"In his late book, Paths to Power, A.W. Tozer defined it this way. ”Fundamental Christianity in our times is deeply influenced by that ancient enemy of righteousness, Antinomianism. The creed of the Antinomian is easily stated: We are saved by faith alone; works have no place in salvation; conduct is works, and is therefore of no importance. What we do cannot matter as long as we believe rightly. The divorce between creed and conduct is absolute and final. The question of sin is settled by the Cross; conduct is outside the circle of faith and cannot come between the believer and God. Such in brief, is the teaching of the Antinomian. And so fully has it permeated the Fundamental element in modern Christianity that it is accepted by the religious masses as the very truth of God. Antinomianism is the doctrine of grace carried by uncorrected logic to the point of absurdity. It takes the teaching of justification by faith and twists it into deformity.”
I know there are some (maybe you, dear reader) who might say, “That’s the gospel! That’s Grace! That’s what I believe and practice!” Oh, if we would only take the time to seek God, pray and read the Gospel, unfettered by the “Doctrines of Men”, we would surely find that Antinomianism is ANOTHER GOSPEL (i.e.- not Christianity).
Charles Finney in the 1800′s spoke of it “as the opposite extreme to legalism. Legalist are all work, Antinomians no work. Professing to have yielded up their whole agency to Christ, they throw all responsibility upon Him and do nothing. Under pretense of being led by the Spirit and of waiting for God to reveal His will to them, they give themselves up very much to spiritual indolence (idleness)1.”"
"We have in spiritual matters things called liberty which are no liberty. There is
Antinomian liberty—God deliver us from that! A man saith, “I am not under the law
of God, therefore I will live as I like.” A most blessed truth followed by a most
atrocious inference. 565.223"
The Antinomians are Coming! | Berean Publishers
"In his late book, Paths to Power, A.W. Tozer defined it this way. ”Fundamental Christianity in our times is deeply influenced by that ancient enemy of righteousness, Antinomianism. The creed of the Antinomian is easily stated: We are saved by faith alone; works have no place in salvation; conduct is works, and is therefore of no importance. What we do cannot matter as long as we believe rightly. The divorce between creed and conduct is absolute and final. The question of sin is settled by the Cross; conduct is outside the circle of faith and cannot come between the believer and God. Such in brief, is the teaching of the Antinomian. And so fully has it permeated the Fundamental element in modern Christianity that it is accepted by the religious masses as the very truth of God. Antinomianism is the doctrine of grace carried by uncorrected logic to the point of absurdity. It takes the teaching of justification by faith and twists it into deformity.”
I know there are some (maybe you, dear reader) who might say, “That’s the gospel! That’s Grace! That’s what I believe and practice!” Oh, if we would only take the time to seek God, pray and read the Gospel, unfettered by the “Doctrines of Men”, we would surely find that Antinomianism is ANOTHER GOSPEL (i.e.- not Christianity).
Charles Finney in the 1800′s spoke of it “as the opposite extreme to legalism. Legalist are all work, Antinomians no work. Professing to have yielded up their whole agency to Christ, they throw all responsibility upon Him and do nothing. Under pretense of being led by the Spirit and of waiting for God to reveal His will to them, they give themselves up very much to spiritual indolence (idleness)1.”"
Hi james1523,
I suggest that you don't put your trust in man. Just because the well known preachers, such as you quoted above, make claims does not make it true and to be trusted.
Trust God instead.
Consider Paul when he received Christ.
Did he turn to the well known leaders within the early church, placing his trust in them?
Gal 1:16
To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Gal 2:6
But from those who seemed to be something—whatever they were, it makes no difference to me; God shows personal favoritism to no man—for those who seemed to be something added nothing to me.
Trust in God and not in man.
He teaches us, 1John 2:27.
As for the term ANTINOMIANISM, that is just a label some have used to deceive others away from the gospel of grace. A tactic whereby you label an opposing view like you would a disease that needs to be erradicated.
It's best if we just trust in God, pray for understanding and search the scriptures to find the truth.
If you believe we can still be charged with sin in spite of Christ's sacrifice having totally purged/cleansed us of sin, then there should be plenty of scriptures to confirm this. If not then it must be an incorrect view.
By the way, our works are to believe in Jesus, John 6:29
Unbelief in Jesus is the sin that the world is convicted of, John 16:9
And it was unbelief that prevented the Israelites from entering to His rest, Heb 4
And finally, as many here seem so concerned about physical behavior, I agree that Christans should be behaving in such a way that reflects our love for others. And we do see this often as we grow in our Christian walk. Also we find that in this imperfect physical life we are not going to see perfection. We each have our own unique circumstances, handicaps, etc, etc that affect our behaviors.
BUT, this physical life is not how our righteousness, etc is determined. Our physical behavior/lifestyle is not what determines if we are in "sin". When we consider what scripture defines as sin and our position in Christ, then we will understand why God says:
"Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth." Rom 8:33
"Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God." 1John 3:9
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This private interpretation of scripture you encourage is probably the reason why you have believed in another gospel which goes beyond the gospel of grace into gospel of lawlessness (without law) (Matt 7:23) and sinlessness (without sin) which is self-deception (1 John 1:8 ). By my quoting some great men of God you assume I have my trust in man.. but God has given teachers as a gift to the Body of Christ has He not? When we say we do not need other then we are like the hand that says to the eye "I do not need you". God does not give light to individuals or certain few, and the amount of light you can receive in private interpretation of scripture is limited. The Christian should receive the whole counsel of God by the light He has given all His greatest preachers. Then your view of the gospel and the scriptures might be more balanced and according to the truth.
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We should not say that when God teaches us that it is "private interpretation"
1John 2:27
But the anointing (Christ in us) which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.
Paul was not following "private interpretation" when he explained his path in the following scriptures.
Gal 1:16
To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Gal 2:6
But from those who seemed to be something—whatever they were, it makes no difference to me; God shows personal favoritism to no man—for those who seemed to be something added nothing to me.
Scripture confirms scripture. If we're searching for the truth then there is nothing to fear if scripture shows that previously held views are incorrect. Trust in God. We all need to learn from Him.
James 1:5
If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him.
Also we should not say that God does not teach us through other men and women.
1 John 2:27 refers to experiential knowledge of God's person so that we may abide in Him (verse 27), not to matters of theology/doctrine by which we need the private study of the Word of God, and teachers. Otherwise..every new believer would be a theologian lol.
But we are not the apostle Paul who was chosen to receive the Gospel through revelation of Jesus Christ. We must study and learn the gospel that was delivered to Paul if we wish to remain in the teaching of the apostles and the truth. For this we need teachers, those with more light than we have.
That's true but not to the exclusion of gifted teachers. We receive a certain amount of light in our private devotions and to that we must add the light we receive from teachers who have more light. When we read Paul's writings on law and grace.. and then we read 1 John.. we add the two together. We do not superimpose our understanding of Paul's letters into 1 John. This is how wrong doctrines are formed. We let the scripture speak for itself. For example.. 1 John 1:8-10 says we have indwelling sin, we should confess our sins.. 1 John 2:1 says "if anyone sins.."..
1 Jn 3:6 says everyone who abides in Him does not sin. This seems to contradict but it does not. You say we cannot sin based on 1 Jn 3:36, but this disagrees with 1 John 1:8-10, 1 John 2:1... others say we sin based on 1 John 1:8-10, 1 John 2:1 and think they can never be without sin. But both views are not letting scripture confirm scripture. But putting two together... we notice 1 Jn 3:6 means everyone who abides in Him does not sin. The conclusion is that if we abide in Him, we will not sin.. if we don't abide in Him.. we will sin, and then 1 John 1:8-10, 1 John 2:1 applies.
We also note that this matches perfectly with Gal 5:15 "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh."
"Abiding in Him" is the same as "living in the Spirit".
When a person is saved God's Spirit comes to dwell within them... so God is in them.. but then they need to get them self into God.. by setting their soul (mind, emotions, will) on God. God abiding in us is free gift received by grace..we become children of God.. this is relationship....us abiding in God depends upon fellowship with God.. walking in the Spirit.. is not automatic takes effort from us.
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No, sometimes I'm not. Sometimes I ....
let sin reign in my mortal body (verse 12)
sometimes I lust (also verse 12)
sometimes I present my body as an instrument of unrighteousness (verse 13) this is sometimes as easy as what we say.
But I sin a lot less than I used to, so that the body of sin might be done away with with (verse 6)
The reason I can sin a lot less than I used to, is because I'm no longer a slave to sin (verse 6) as opposed to someone who doesn't want to stop sinning because they are still a slave to sin.
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So, let me get this straight... we can sin spiritually, but not in the flesh?
Chapter 2 is not a different letter addressed to different people than chapter 1. The number were added well after John sent these letters. It's all one letter.
No were does it say in John that it is addressed to non-believers. Also, why would he tell non-believers five times (just in 1st John) to follow his commandments.
There are only believers in God's church. Only in denominations is there the situation where both believer and non-believer are together, and this is called "church". But when Jesus referred to tares and wheat.. He did not mean within His church.. He meant within the world. In the world there are tares and wheat.. in God's church there are only wheat. In practice early church only met with other believers, not with unbelievers.. see 1 Cor 14:23 if "some unbelievers come in".. therefore unbelievers in the church was not expected as norm. I would encourage you to seek God about what is church.. that church is all believers in Christ.
In Rev 2 and 3 the churches spoken to were indeed saved believers.. they have initial saving faith but they then turn back to Judaism, works of the law, to be justified. The unbelief Jesus is chastising them for is not lack of saving faith.. but lack of faith unto maturity and perfection in Christ. Paul in Hebrews says these cannot repent again, is impossible, because they already have the Holy Spirit.. but they must go onto perfection. Their Judaism is counted as straw, grass, stubble, built upon the foundation.. that will be burnt by fire.. but their spirit will be saved. In fact any works of man, built upon the foundation of Christ.. will not stand the test of fire. Only gold, silver, precious stones (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) is suitable for building material.
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We'll just have to disagree with each others rendering of scriptures on this topic. But that's another topic, and I think you'll agree that the gospel of grace is more important to share on. Besides, we agree that scripture confirms scripture anyway, so we can just refer to scripture in our sharing on what is the gospel of grace.
Please correct me if I misunderstood you, but are you saying Christians abide in Christ when their behaving well but when they do wrong they're not abiding in him? Or to put another way, are you saying we're in and out, in/out, in/out......of Christ, continuously all based on how well we behave each day?
And as 1John 3:6,8 ,says those who sin are of the devil and have not known Christ, are you saying that whenever we fail in our behavior we're of the devil and have not known Christ?
And when we do fail, do you claim that we have to repent of this wrong behavior?
And what "sin" are you saying Christians can be charged with?
Is it transgression of the law, 1John 3:4?
To "sin" is to be without Christ.
An good example of the spiritual context of scriptures, that many often confuse with referring to the physical, is 1Cor 5.
This speaks of someone fornicating with his father's wife. It goes on to explain that we should not fellowship with such people and that we should in fact put such wicked people out.
This fornication is referring to spiritual fornication with Hagar/the law, Gal 4:24
This is sin/unbelief.
The father of those under the law is the devil, as Jesus revealed in John 8:44
So anyone who is under the law for righteousness is fornicating with his father's wife (Hagar/the law).
Note how 1Cor 5:7 says to "purge out the old leaven"
The old leaven is the doctrine of works of the law, as Jesus explained in Matt 16:12
As for the physical which is so often the focus of many within the church, it is already dead (by faith), Rom 8:10
Hence our physical behavior is not the determining factor in whether we are righteous or not. Our faith is counted for righteousness instead, Rom 4:5
So, we see that Satan the accuser can no longer charge us with sin, Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
If 1John 1:8-10 ,referred to Christians then it contradicts 1John 3:6-9 . God does not contradict Himself.
The evangelical context of 1John 1 confirms it refers to non-believers.
As for the commandments 1John speaks of, we see them in 1John 3:22-23
we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
Regarding those churches in Rev which are called upon to repent, note what God says in the following examples.
The church at Sardis, Rev 3:5
He that overcometh ( believe in Jesus, 1John 5:4,5), the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
The lukewarm (mixing grace with works of the law) church at Laodicea. Rev 3:15,16
I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Let us look carefully at this verse again:
1Jn 2:27 The anointing you received from God abides in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you this. Instead, because God's anointing teaches you about everything and is true and not a lie, abide in him, as he taught you to do.
Here we see the two - God in us and us in God. Here he says the anointing (the Holy Spirit) abides in us.... and then he says "abide in Him, as He taught you to do". So Christ lives in us.. but then we must live in Christ. Christ makes His home in our heart.. now we must make our homes in Christ.
Basically if we abide in Christ we may "behave" well... if we don't abide in Christ.. we may " behave" poorly. But this is not about behavior per se it is about what is the condition of our soul (mind, emotion , will).. is it filled with Christ or is it filled with things of the flesh/world? Rom 8:6 "For the mind-set of the flesh is death, but the mind-set of the Spirit is life and peace." All sin by a believer is a result of not abiding in Christ. This is why Paul says in 1 Thess 5:16-18 , rejoice always, pray at all times.. etc. This is continual thing, we need to do it continually. It is possible to be in and out of Christ many times during the day. But just because you are not in Christ does not mean you will sin.. but it means you are able to sin, likely to sin. If you have private devotion in morning , read the Word.. much prayer.. you are in Christ. Your mind is saturated with scripture, your emotion and will is for God. Let's say someone offends you at work later in the day.. you become bitter,, angry, you call them bad names.. you are clearly out of Christ in this moment. Your mind, emotion and will is not expressing Christ. Christ is in you, but you (your mind, emotion, will) are not in Christ.
I like the KJV rendering of this one:
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
If we abide in Him we will not sin. If we do sin, we have not seen him or known him. In other words.. if we do sin, we have not made our abode in Him...we have not been living in Him.
To abide in Him is to see Him and know Him in our subjective daily experience as the Holy Spirit through private devotion (many various types of prayer.. singing psalms and spiritual songs to the Lord, meditating on His Word). It is to put into practice what Paul instructs the relatively young believers to do (only about 1-3 years saved) in 1 Thes 5:16-18.
No, we do not repent because it is impossible to repent more than once (Heb 6:4). We cannot repent of behaviors, we repent of unbelief. To believe in Christ is to repent.
It means to be lawless.. without law...without God's rule in our life. Sin is lawlessness and vice versa. It means to not allow the Holy Spirit to rule our life by subjecting our mind, emotion, will (our soul) to Him by continual prayer and fellowship in our daily living. We have to give account to our obedience to the Holy Spirit who as our teacher and the anointing within us leads us into all truth. As He is ruling from within us we must obey His voice and this is is to abide in Christ, aka live/walk in the Spirit...
Consider what Christ says to believers here (they are believers because unbelievers do not call Jesus Lord):
Matt 7:22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23 ""And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'"
These are believers who have done many works but have not abided in Christ. Compare with:
John 15:6 "If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned."
Heb 6:8 "But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned."
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Such believers are open to condemnation not for transgression of Mosaic law (including 10 commandments) because believers are not under Mosaic law, but condemnation for not obeying the voice of the indwelling Christ, the Holy Spirit.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
This condemnation does not result in the same punishment as unbelievers.. but chastisement as for disobedient children.. as 1 Cor 3:15 says.. they are saved, yet so as by fire.
Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
This verse only confirms they are believers in the church. To have ones name blotted out of the book of life.. it must be in the book of life to begin with. Even should it be blotted out.. this is to lose temporal blessing of the presence of Christ.. after chastisement it will be written in again:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
In Rev 3:5.. the ones who overcome are only the believers who overcome the deadness in the church. c.f. vs 1 "I know your works, that you have a name that you are living, and yet you are dead". All believers have the objective righteousness of Christ. But white garments are a reward for overcoming...actually, white garments is the believer's subjective righteousness. Not all believers have pure white garments (subjective righteousness), which allows them to rule and reign with Christ in His millennial kingdom.. some over few cities, some over many cities. Others.. will be carried away by angels for chastisement as disobedient/unfaithful servants. Matt 24:51 "He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
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