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Sorry, I don't buy that. What Paul wrote to the Corinthians means the same thing now as it did then. I doesn't change.
Are some people predestined for hell no matter what they do.
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Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all!
15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.
17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”
18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?”
20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ”
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all!
15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.
17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”
18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?”
20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ”
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Ah, a non answer
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Ok, how about this, in the presence of “All Mighty GOD”!
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The question is, what is hell?
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Why all of this , kindergarten, grade school questions. That we learn over 60 years ago! In the gospels when we were little kids sucking on milk bottles? Hell is a English word “coin” for a place of torment, to describe “hades” to describe “the grave representing “Sheol”, with full intend of describing “Gehenna” the place of torment , where the Jewish people slaughter their children and where Boot Hill type of people was just dump!! It was a place that heat just a like big compost bin! Any dime store comboy who has a biblical library knows that answer and you bring that question up among us “armchair theologians “! Sad. People on here are here for “edification “. If you want to dance like that go to Sunday school they like question like that. “Now don’t get mad” just throw us a bone with some meat on it, because we are hungry” and we are tired of eating “corn flakes” with a little milk and a dash of sugar on top. And it seems like you got a bag full of it.
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So, you label three different places as hell. Can I assume you don't know what it means? The word hell doesn't appear in the Greek or Hebrew texts. Hades in the Scriptures is the grave. Gehenna, is the valley of the Son of Hinnom outside of Jerusalem. Sheol is also the grave, and Tartaus is a place for fallen angels. This is a dictionary definition of hell.
"a place regarded in various religions as a spiritual realm of evil and suffering, often traditionally depicted as a place of perpetual fire beneath the earth where the wicked are punished after death. "
The Bible doesn't teach any such thing.
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What does the “Textus Receptus” and the “codex Alexandrinus” or the codex Sinaiticus , codex Vaticanis. Or ISBE definition, or vines look it up in your personal library. And matter of fact look up also the person who “corn” the word “hell” while you are at it. I know you have these Reference books in your personnel library and your geek lexicon. Since you are a “critical scholar”. I’m going stop right here while I am running in last place! Because I do believe you must be a Greek scholar as well!
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Don't go by hearsay, get the answer by reading the full book of Revelations.
And, then again, we Do have the account in Luke 16 of the rich man and Lazarus -- starts in vs 19 and vs 22 "So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried.
vs 23 "And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. vs 24 "Then he cried and said, "Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. " that account continues on through the end of the chapter.
And then going to Revelation 20: 10 "The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
And then in Matthew 8:11 - 12 "but the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." vs 11 "And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven."
Away from God -- there will be No light. Total darkness.
And the realization that '"what others had been Trying to warn us about was actually True, but that 'I' will be stuck there forever cause "I" would not listen and maybe even laughed at them for trying to share the Gospel with 'me'.
Accepting the Gospel unto salvation would have saved 'me' from having to spend eternity in this awful place.
And in total darkness -- I Won't be enjoying the company of my other friends who are here, too.
vs 23 "And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. vs 24 "Then he cried and said, "Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. " that account continues on through the end of the chapter.
And then going to Revelation 20: 10 "The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
And then in Matthew 8:11 - 12 "but the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." vs 11 "And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven."
Away from God -- there will be No light. Total darkness.
And the realization that '"what others had been Trying to warn us about was actually True, but that 'I' will be stuck there forever cause "I" would not listen and maybe even laughed at them for trying to share the Gospel with 'me'.
Accepting the Gospel unto salvation would have saved 'me' from having to spend eternity in this awful place.
And in total darkness -- I Won't be enjoying the company of my other friends who are here, too.
