Are We In The End Times?

[Sue D.]

@Pipiripi -- The Old Testament was about yearly sacrifices of bulls and goats for a Blood atonement for sins by the high priest. In the New Testament Jesus Christ is the Perfect Lamb of God -- the Final blood sacrifice / atonement for everyone's sins. Following the Ten Commandments was never meant to save anyone. Yes, to Follow but Not to be able to 'save' anyone.

Look at Matthew 22:36 - 40 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" Jesus said to him, "you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind." This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like it: -- You shall love your neighbor as yourself." vs 40 "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

The Ten Commandments have been Fulfilled - made complete by those two commandments.

God wants relationship with all of us. This is possible Only through His Son, Jesus Christ -- the death, burial and bodily resurrection of Him. The death Included His shedding His blood for us. His blood was necessary to save Mankind, His blood to redeem our sinful lives -- but we need to realize our personal need for it. Once we've accepted the cross as being enough and thanked Him for it -- Then we can have a relationship with God. Become a son or daughter. And the Holy Spirit's coming to indwell us will give us the inner desire to please God.

Revelation 12:17 "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandment of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Revelation 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus."

I'm thinking that that is taking place during the 7 yr tribulation time.

It Almost sounds like you've taken hold of the last phrase of these verses "who keep the commandment of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" and apply them the way You want to -- but not how they are intended in Scripture.

And the Matthew 25 passage -- yes, it's definitely there and saying that. A certain group of people were being talked to about their particular situation. That passage sounds like a works-based salvation. But we already know that salvation is Not works-related. Maybe it's Also the fact of how we treat others is a reflection of what's in our hearts. Maybe we Should be seeing other people as them being Jesus Christ. So Are we loving the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, and mind and our neighbor as ourselves -- our natural inclination is to take care of ourselves 1st and then others. Granted , not everyone will. Are we loving other people as we Should be loving them and helping take care of their basic needs or are we ignoring them and letting the state / welfare do it. And, granted, in This society - we need to be careful -- there are those who will take 'us' for all we've got in our effort To help. So - we do as God directs us and Not for the sake of doing good works for our salvation.

According to Scripture - born-again believers won't be going through the 7-yr tribulation -- 'we' will be raptured up and out by Jesus Christ. And there Will be people saved During that time -- but only those who haven't heard and previously rejected. And it will be God's wrath on the unbelieving Jewish population. Multitudes will be saved. But they will probably die as martyrs.

And after That -- there Will be a 1,000 yr reign of Christ here on earth. Satan will be chained up. But he will be loosed again and Then a couple more battles -- and God Does win.

Hope this answers your questions.

 

[Curtis]

Where can I read in the Bible that Jesus says that His dead on the cross shall put an end to HIS FATHER LAWS?

I have already shown you what you asked for, but you are not listening to what the scriptures say!

Mat 5:17 Do not suppose that I have come to subvert the law or the prophets: I have come not to subvert, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

If Jesus said he came to not destroy the law, but to fulfill that law. Do you know what it means to fulfill something? It means it is done, completed, finished, has come to an end!

Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Now the question is, "do you believe?"

 

[only son]

The Bible shows that Yahoshua is the fulfillment of God's eternal plan to reveal and manifest himself to the world. To redeem man. Yahoshua was the only son of God.

All of man was fallen into a state of alienation and distance from knowing and serving God and knowing Him as a Father. The Hebrew priests had been taken over by Rome's influence and under the military control of the Roman government - through violent and oppressive manipulative power, that Rome held over, even, the High Priests.

Herod was even attempting to align and insert himself into the religion of Israel and opened communications and alliances with the leaders and forced the Hebrew Priests to be used by him and Herod began to make plans to restore or the damaged Hebrew temple.

God manifested himself in human form and formed / morphed - his holy spirit into the form of human flesh as a man - his Holy Spirit - as Yahoshua - who was the Only Son Of God and the only one who could be considered or called as - God's Son - or a child of God. Yahoshua opened the breach and pleased God by obedience and also to also show the world and enable all believers a path to be again Begotten, Adopted Sons of God. BORN AGAIN - Children Of God. To love and obey and to again be called Sons and Daughters Of God. His death and sacrifice and obedience and stand for God, to serve him and resist sin and temptation and to resist the Devil, this pleased God and Yahoshua entered into death and was also reborn / born again.

He is the first begotten / born from the dead.

As Yahoshua declares in Rev 21: Vrs, : 7 He that overcomes shall inherit all things; and " I will be his God, And he shall be my son. "

Yahoshua declares as God himself - that he is a father to his children -

Yahoshua defines the terms in His message - by saying that He does nothing of His own self - saying that I can do nothing whatsoever of my own doing. -

I do not have any power of miracles, " Of my own " I do not do anything, Whatsoever - OF MY OWN. . . but it is the father that does the miracles and works, and had all along, from the beginning of his ministry and works.

It seems that Yahoshua is simply making the claim just to be an ordinary man, just as the rest of the apostles and disciples who claimed the same exact same thing. - But this is not at all what he meant - He further expounds, explaining and clarifying that this is because - If You have seen " him " you have literally seen the father and HAVE BEEN SHOWN THE FATHER " and demanded - WHY would anyone ever even expect to ever even see the father or expect TO HAVE BEEN SHOWN THE FATHER - while they are looking at him? You are seeing the Father and being shown THE FATHER, by looking upon him.

He has no power, No control, No miracles, No knowledge and there is no good and no honor in Him. Saying - why do you call me " good " ? -- There is no one good but God alone.

Every time He spoke of his own Will, Power, Majesty and Desire and Purpose, he declared that He was God and ONE as the Father and Him are one - only 1. And is to return to DWELL - IN the Father's throne - form where he exited out from and originated out from existing Inside the Fathers bosom. / The stream or current. This Greek word means = bosom, flow, stream, creek or current.

1Co 15:24 Then the end, when bringing the kingdom The God And father, when destroying all beginnings and all authority and power.

:25 Must through him reign, until whom can put all the enemy under the feet, him.

:26 The last enemy destroyed, the death.

27 All for subject under the foot of him, when and said that all submits it is manifest that except him is subject, him the all.

:28 When and submitting himself the all, then and he the son submits the submission, him the all, that is except the son, the all in all.

:29 Because what is made / done that baptized for the dead if completely dead, not dead, who also baptized for the dead.

:30 Who and we are in danger every hour.

We find that the Son is - " THE ALL " who SUBMITS EVERYTHING to God by the ACT and action - of having destroyed - all beginnings and all authority and power. But the SON Himself is EXEMPTED and everything EXCEPT for the Son is in SUBMISSION to God The Father. - then and he the son submits the submission / submitted, him the all, that is except the son, the all in all.

Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the "deity", divinitas, bodily.
:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
:16 For IN him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created because of him, and to him:
:17 And he is before, all things, and IN him all things consist.
:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from " out of " the dead; that in all things he will have the preeminence.
:19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fulness dwell;
:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things on earth, or things in heaven.

 

[Pipiripi]

@Pipiripi -- The Old Testament was about yearly sacrifices of bulls and goats for a Blood atonement for sins by the high priest. In the New Testament Jesus Christ is the Perfect Lamb of God -- the Final blood sacrifice / atonement for everyone's sins. Following the Ten Commandments was never meant to save anyone. Yes, to Follow but Not to be able to 'save' anyone.

Look at Matthew 22:36 - 40 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" Jesus said to him, "you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind." This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like it: -- You shall love your neighbor as yourself." vs 40 "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

The Ten Commandments have been Fulfilled - made complete by those two commandments.

God wants relationship with all of us. This is possible Only through His Son, Jesus Christ -- the death, burial and bodily resurrection of Him. The death Included His shedding His blood for us. His blood was necessary to save Mankind, His blood to redeem our sinful lives -- but we need to realize our personal need for it. Once we've accepted the cross as being enough and thanked Him for it -- Then we can have a relationship with God. Become a son or daughter. And the Holy Spirit's coming to indwell us will give us the inner desire to please God.

Revelation 12:17 "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandment of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Revelation 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus."

I'm thinking that that is taking place during the 7 yr tribulation time.

It Almost sounds like you've taken hold of the last phrase of these verses "who keep the commandment of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" and apply them the way You want to -- but not how they are intended in Scripture.

And the Matthew 25 passage -- yes, it's definitely there and saying that. A certain group of people were being talked to about their particular situation. That passage sounds like a works-based salvation. But we already know that salvation is Not works-related. Maybe it's Also the fact of how we treat others is a reflection of what's in our hearts. Maybe we Should be seeing other people as them being Jesus Christ. So Are we loving the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, and mind and our neighbor as ourselves -- our natural inclination is to take care of ourselves 1st and then others. Granted , not everyone will. Are we loving other people as we Should be loving them and helping take care of their basic needs or are we ignoring them and letting the state / welfare do it. And, granted, in This society - we need to be careful -- there are those who will take 'us' for all we've got in our effort To help. So - we do as God directs us and Not for the sake of doing good works for our salvation.

According to Scripture - born-again believers won't be going through the 7-yr tribulation -- 'we' will be raptured up and out by Jesus Christ. And there Will be people saved During that time -- but only those who haven't heard and previously rejected. And it will be God's wrath on the unbelieving Jewish population. Multitudes will be saved. But they will probably die as martyrs.

And after That -- there Will be a 1,000 yr reign of Christ here on earth. Satan will be chained up. But he will be loosed again and Then a couple more battles -- and God Does win.

Hope this answers your questions.

 

[Pipiripi]

Hi. First of all you are thinking not knowing the truth. About the 10 Commandments in the OT is the same in the NT. The two commandments that Jesus is talking about is that the first one is the first 4 commandments and the second is the other six commandments.

The rapture theory is a false one. And I think that I'm gonna write about this false teaching.

What about Matthew 5:17-20?
Are you telling me that Jesus are lying here? Jesus says THINK NOT. But you and many others are breaking Jesus rules. Who is your master? It never can be Jesus if you are not following His teaching.
Does the heavens and earth has passing by? Just answered with yes or no. What about verse 20. Jesus is talking about the law, and He says that they CANNOT entered God's kingdom.

What about Roman 8:4 and 8:7?
This is clearly what Paul is saying that we can do. Me that can keep the 10 Commandment, verse 4 is for me. And you that cannot keep it, verse 7 is for you. Look also at verse 8. Paul is saying that not me! Are you calling Paul a liar by twisting what you read in Galatians? Let me see what is your answer about this. Or better write which one of the two verses is written for you. 4 or 7.

 

[Curtis]

Hi. First of all you are thinking not knowing the truth. About the 10 Commandments in the OT is the same in the NT. The two commandments that Jesus is talking about is that the first one is the first 4 commandments and the second is the other six commandments.

The rapture theory is a false one. And I think that I'm gonna write about this false teaching.

What about Matthew 5:17-20?
Are you telling me that Jesus are lying here? Jesus says THINK NOT. But you and many others are breaking Jesus rules. Who is your master? It never can be Jesus if you are not following His teaching.
Does the heavens and earth has passing by? Just answered with yes or no. What about verse 20. Jesus is talking about the law, and He says that they CANNOT entered God's kingdom.

What about Roman 8:4 and 8:7?
This is clearly what Paul is saying that we can do. Me that can keep the 10 Commandment, verse 4 is for me. And you that cannot keep it, verse 7 is for you. Look also at verse 8. Paul is saying that not me! Are you calling Paul a liar by twisting what you read in Galatians? Let me see what is your answer about this. Or better write which one of the two verses is written for you. 4 or 7.

There are two kinds of people in the world. Those that are under the “law”, and those who are NOT under the “law”

Who are the ones not under the law?

Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

The only ones who are NOT under the law are those who have put their “faith” in Jesus for their salvation.

Rom 6:14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Who are those who are under the “law”

Gal 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”
Gal 3:11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”

Rom 3:19 Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God.
Rom 3:20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

There will not be one single human being in Heaven because they kept the Mosaic law which included the 10 commandments of God, in fact, they are under a “curse”. The purpose of the law was to bring knowledge of sin to a man in man!


Gal 3:21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law.
Gal 3:22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

 

[Sue D.]

Pipiripi -- Hi -- for one thing -- your sentence structure in English isn't always as correctly structured as it could be. So -- at times it has to be reinterpreted a bit.

It Also sounds like you're not really believing what Scripture Is saying. That which Jesus Christ is telling us in Matthew 22 Is God's Word. It's Not 'my' interpretation of it.

And, apparently , you're determined to do with God's Word / various passages in it / what ever You want to do with it. You are making it sound like God's Word is contracting itself. It's Not -- it IS further clarifying it.

When a person Does 'love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind -- that person Will be , in turn, loving their neighbor as themselves. We will , in effect, Be obeying those Ten Commandments, but not in the form Of 'obeying Ten Commandments'. When a person loves another person, they Want to do things with / for them. And , yes, there Will be disagreements with people we love. But we Still work with them. Now that Also means that sometimes, we Do rebell and do stupid things and God will discipline us. And sooner or later, we Do return to God who still does love us.

And our local and federal laws Are based on the Ten Commandments. 'They' just don't acknowledge it for the most part.

Okay , the verse that says "Think Not' vs 17 "Do not think that I came too destroy the Law or the Prophets, I Did not come to destroy but to fulfill." Which is exactly what He Has done -- fulfilled the Law -- by providing GRACE.
Obeying the Ten Commandments was never meant To 'save' anyone. the cross of calvary -- the blood of Christ does that.

As for the coming rapture -- it Is in Scripture -- it will be interesting to read how you disprove it.

You're determined that You Can keep the Ten Commandments. Well -- has it occurred to you that there Might be some pride involved on your part? And That would in the catagory of being boastful -- which is what Ephesians 2: 8 - 9 is talking about. "not of works, lest any man should boast". "For by Grace you are saved by faith, and that, not of yourselves, it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Part of those Ten Commandments are to 'keep the Sabbath Day, holy". Well - the Sabbath has been changed to Sunday because that's when Jesus Christ rose from the grave. On the 1st day of the week. We worship on Sunday in honor of His resurrection. Scripture Also says that no one should give a Sabboth Day worshipper a problem Or a Sunday worshipper a problem. As long as a person Does take a day a week To Worship God. But most Protestants Do worship on Sunday. And I have seen 7th Day Adventest churches.

 

[Br. Bear]

Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
Hebrews 9:22

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings all,

I am re-posting the OP so we can remember what this thread is about. A refresher, if you like, as it has been 10 pages so far and we do well to remember the start, sometimes,

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Why People Cannot Answer Questions Biblically?

There are so many denominations that think different but read the same Bible. My first question. If Jesus is our master or teacher, why then we don't obey His teaching? If we have to choose who to follow, which one do we follow, Jesus or Paul? Jesus says don't called nobody your master...

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Are We In The End Times?

Do you believe that we are in the very end times, where Jesus can return within the next 100 years or so? I would advise using the book of Revelation as a gauge of where you think we're living in currently chronologically. Some thoughts about the end times signs... What will happen in the end...

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Do you believe that we are in the very end times, where Jesus can return within the next 100 years or so?

I would advise using the book of Revelation as a gauge of where you think we're living in currently chronologically.

Some thoughts about the end times signs...

What will happen in the end times? (Summary)
Financial Signs of the End Times (audio)
Understanding the End Times
12 Signs of the End Times

This is meant to be a fun poll and bible discussion. Ultimately:

Matthew 24:36 - But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

 

[Sue D.]

We Do know it will be sooner rather than later. Everything internationally is getting closer and closer.

The G 5? or so -- better world-wide communications is coming soon. Pres. Trump seems to be all in favor of it.

Unrest in This country is getting stronger and stronger. Yesterday on FB there's more violence in Michigan with Muslims aggression towards Christians.

Seems that most of Revelation is aimed at during and after the 7 yrs of tribulation. But some 'natural' phenomena are happening that make people wonder. Like the huge problem with grasshoppers? in Los Angeles. But, then, again, years ago in Taylor, Tx there was a huge influx of grass hoppers down town. All over the place.

His coming is compared to the birth pangs of a woman in labor, Stronger and Stronger and Stronger. But as a woman who's had 4 babies. One labor was long and drawn out -- another one was very sudden and intense very quickly and was over. We Are feeling birth pangs. More and More violent weather patterns. And the frequencies of shootings and Mass shootings. Even the news reporters are getting concerned about the mental health of people / the hate/ lack of concern for human life. And that "we" could be next -- just going to shop at Walmart. Are we going to let 'terrorism' take over our lives.

Our Eternal destination is at stake -- heaven or hell -- which is it going to be. More and more -- NOW is the time to make that decision.

 

[StrugglingInCanada]

We are living in the End Times, when you die, that is the end of it. You better be prepared!

I agree with this 100%.....we're not going to know when the end times for humanity is coming, only God knows that. But each one of us is going to meet Jesus at some point, but we don't know when that will happen either....so we have to be ready.

 

[Sue D.]

In the end times -- for Who? For born-again believers? for the unsaved? this world is going to keep on going until the final war is fought in the end of Revelation. And THAT is at least 1 000 years in the future.

Christ Will be returning to gather up the born-again believers -- probably in the 'near' future. but the rest of everyone will still be Here. Then there will be 7 yrs. of tribulation and Then the bodily earthly 2nd coming of Jesus Christ Will take place. He will be ruling here for 1,000 yrs.

If a person is talking with an amillenialist - they don't believe in an actual 1,000 -- they go by the verse that says that "a 1,000 yrs are as a day and a day as a thousand years". But That verse is simply saying that 'time' has no meaning with God. "time" is for mankind.

And there are those who believe that there won't be any 7 yrs of tribulation in the future -- that's it's already happened.

And as the previous poster has reminded us -- each of us Will be meeting Jesus Or the alternative at a time that only God knows. In the past few days -- lots of people have met their death Very unexpectedly. While out shopping, all of a sudden they are in 'eternity'. Were 'they' ready? Are We ready. For TODAY.

 

[saginon]

Yep - cannot be disputed. The End Times began in Jesus generation. Jesus said so, the Apostles did as well and every Christian since lives his life expectantly as if it is the End Times waiting for Jesus to return. Mark 13 28 “From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. 29 So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 30 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away before all these things take place. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away "

What generation was Jesus referring to? Was it the one he was speaking to? I believe it is the generation the 'sees' the events pass that he mentions in Mathew 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13. That's what the fig tree parable suggest to me anyway.

 

[saginon]

There shall a FEW more prophecy that have to be fulfill before Jesus return for the second time. And I have two yet to come in our time.
They are: "One World Order and One Relegion"
When they are after the Sabbath keepers for killing them, the world shall see Jesus with His angels appears in heaven.

A one world order and a one world religion? People believe in them because that's what's typically taught. I don't believe that all the world's religions and governments will someday unite.

Also, in response to your Sabbath keeping. The Law - Mosaic Law, was for Israel, not for Christians. We are not required to honor it anymore than we are to put people to death for working on Sundays or not adhering to the dietary restriction imposed upon Israel.

The Sabbath in Judaism is the seventh day of the week and a day of rest. They celebrate and have certain activities that are prohibited. Didn’t Jesus say that if we have lost a sheep or a coin we should look for it even on the sabbath? Jesus observed the Sabbath because he was Jewish.

Colossians 2:16
Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.
The Jewish Sabbath ended at the cross when Christ annulled the “written code.”

Col. 2:14 “by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. “
Romans 14:5-6…

One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since she gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.

The law was an observance between God and Israel. An Israelite could not leave their home, build a fire, or cause anyone to work. If you did any of those things you were to be put to death. You are mistaking if you think that applies to NT Christians. There’s no obligation for New Testament believers to observe a Saturday or Sunday Sabbath

Historically Sunday was the normal meeting day for Christians in the church, and its practice dates back to the first century. It’s not a salvation issue.

 

[Pipiripi]

A one world order and a one world religion? People believe in them because that's what's typically taught. I don't believe that all the world's religions and governments will someday unite.

Also, in response to your Sabbath keeping. The Law - Mosaic Law, was for Israel, not for Christians. We are not required to honor it anymore than we are to put people to death for working on Sundays or not adhering to the dietary restriction imposed upon Israel.

The Sabbath in Judaism is the seventh day of the week and a day of rest. They celebrate and have certain activities that are prohibited. Didn’t Jesus say that if we have lost a sheep or a coin we should look for it even on the sabbath? Jesus observed the Sabbath because he was Jewish.

Colossians 2:16
Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.
The Jewish Sabbath ended at the cross when Christ annulled the “written code.”

Col. 2:14 “by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. “
Romans 14:5-6…

One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since she gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.

The law was an observance between God and Israel. An Israelite could not leave their home, build a fire, or cause anyone to work. If you did any of those things you were to be put to death. You are mistaking if you think that applies to NT Christians. There’s no obligation for New Testament believers to observe a Saturday or Sunday Sabbath

Historically Sunday was the normal meeting day for Christians in the church, and its practice dates back to the first century. It’s not a salvation issue.

Hi my friend, thanks for showing me your not Biblical teaching.
Let me begin with the first error of your teaching.
1. About the one World Order and One Religion, you must read Revelation 18:1-24. Specially verse4. When God is calling His people to come out of Babylon (The Roman Catholic Church). You all the Sunday's keeper are uniting with the pope. (The false TRINITY doctrine).

2. The Sabbath was created at the Seventh day of creation. Before there was sin on this world. Genesis 2:1-3.
So, before that there was Israelites, The laws was there. They doesn't need it writing on a stone or anywhere, because it was in their heart.

3. Jesus says do good on Sabbath, he didn't say break the Sabbath day.

4. Colossians 2:16 is written for the Jews that are keeping the Sabbath. Not for the Gentiles that doesn't know the costume of their belief. Look at who Paul is talking too.

5. What was nailed on the cross was the sacrifice, not the LAW. Read Hebrews 7,8,9 and 10.

6. You can choose which day you want for worship God. But the Lord's day is the Saturday Sabbath that He has hallowed and sanctified and blessed. Do you profane that day for Sunday?

7. If you read Revelation 12:17 and 14:12, then you shall see after which people Satan tried to kill. Not only tried to kill, but are killing them. Because prophecy must fulfill.

8. The Sunday rest was made by man (the pope). Not God.

A question for you, if you can not keep the Sabbath today, do you think that you can keep it in the new world that God sooner created it?
Isaiah 66:23.

I hope that you can answered my question BIBLICAL.

Bless.

 

[Sue D.]

@Pipiripi --- realizing that your comments were meant for 'saginon' I'm going to take a moment to respond.

Today is Sunday -- the Lord's Day -- Why ? because Jesus Christ rose from the dead on the 1st day of the week. So 'we' honor the day / early morning bodily resurrection Of Jesus Christ.

And, yes, it Is true that God created for the first 6 days and rested on the 7th -- Sabboth / day of rest. There is Also the passage in New Testament about the importance of taking one day a week for rest and worship. If a person wants to do that on Saturday, Fine, If a person wants to do that on Sunday, Fine. Simply DO it.

And, as just commented -- Sunday is special as the early morning hours Jesus Christ rose from the dead / bodily. NOTHING to do with the pope NOTHING.

The Trinity / Godhead is very Biblical. God the Father, Jesus Christ His Son and the Holy Spirit. Without 'them' our salvation is not possible. The Godhead has provided our salvation.

Your second point -- about the Israelites. -- The Children of Israel didn't come into existence until the Lord 1st called Abram to leave his country and go to a land that He would show him. Abram would become a great nation -- his name great. So Abram took his wife Sarai with him and their relatives. Well -- it was actually two generations Later with Jacob and through his 4 wives and their 12 sons. Chapter 13 -- it was the land of Canaan. Chapter 17 : 4 ,5 "No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations. That's when circumcision was was instituted. And Sarai's name was changed to Sarah and they were promised a child. vs 8 the land of Canaan as an everlasting possession. Isaac would be the biological child of Abraham and Sarah.

But this is getting off track. Several generations later -- Jacob started fathering children through Leah and 3 other wives -- total of 12 sons -- continuing on to Chapter 32 : 28 "And he said, Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel.
So NOW in chapter 32:28 we Do Jacob becoming Israel. We Still need to go to chapter 49 :28 "All these are the 12 tribes of Israel -- Israel pronounces a blessing on all of them before he dies.

The Ten Commandments were not given until Exodus 20. God gave those Ten Commandments to Moses to write on that tablet.

And, yes, the Ten Commandments Were given to the Jews. Jesus was born a Jew

In the New Testament -- salvation Was extended to the 'rest of the world' the Gentiles BECAUSE the Jewish population refused to listen.

The cross of Christ -- Jesus Christ became the Perfect Lamb of God. No more need for Old Testament yearly sacrifices. Since the cross -- the shed blood of Jesus Christ -- His bodily resurrection -- we Now have Christianity. Our Risen Savior. Upon our personal salvation -- those ten commandments are written in our hearts. We do what we do out of our love for God. With Love comes a desire To 'obey' -- to do God's Will in our lives. And when we Don't -- the Holy Spirit is in us to remind us of what we Should be doing.

There Will be a 1,000 year earthly reign of Jesus Christ in this world. Will Sabboth worship be reinstated -- no idea. He will be ruling from Jerusalem. Satan will be locked up during these years. So a 'new world order'?

Or maybe the 'new world order' being referred to is when the AntiChrist takes over during the 7 yrs of tribulation. There Is indication of this world getting smaller and smaller due to technological advances. And there's talk about a new
G 4 or G 5 program being proposed?!

 

[saginon]

Hi my friend, thanks for showing me your not Biblical teaching.
Let me begin with the first error of your teaching.
1. About the one World Order and One Religion, you must read Revelation 18:1-24. Specially verse4. When God is calling His people to come out of Babylon (The Roman Catholic Church). You all the Sunday's keeper are uniting with the pope. (The false TRINITY doctrine).

Babylon or Babylon the Great isn't associated with Rome. The ancient area of Babylon is today occupied by Islam, not Rome. Babylon can only be associated with a few things.
1. Literal Babylon.
2 Confusion.
3. False religion.

Rome/Catholicism is not a false religion. It can be labelled heretical, but not false. In fact there is heresy in every Church. People who observe a Sunday Sabbath are not uniting with Rome. In fact, it's quite the opposite!

You quote Revelation 18 -
"And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird."

The passage is a reflection of Isaiah 21:9 and tells us that Babylon falls twice. Ancient Babylon fell in 539BCE and "Babylon the Great" - simply interpreted "is a large false religion" which falls once again at the consummation of the age.

Verse 4...
"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

This doesn't tell us much of anything about Babylon the Great other than encouraging its followers to not participate in her sins otherwise they will partake in more plagues. Who can this Babylon the Great be? We certainly have choices.

1. A united one world religion.
2. Catholicism/Rome.
3. Islam.

What are some of the identification marks?
1. She is the habitation of devils.
2. She is the hold of every foul spirit.
3. She is the cage of every unclean and hateful bird."
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The habitation of Devils.
The devil is quite active in the world today, even in Churches. The world religion that I would consider the most evil today is Islam. The word 'habitation' is only used twice in the New Testament. It means an abode - a dwelling place. The devil's main dwelling place is in Islam. Islam has more than 30 evil terrorist organizations scattered across the earth bent on conquering the infidel (non-believer), dominating the world, and the complete destruction of Israel. To give you and idea of what they are doing to Christians today,...

They blow themselves up in public places all the while believing they are doing the will of Allah, pluck the eyes and tongues out of people including nuns, priest, and children. They tie people up and run over them with the tracks of a tank, they burn people alive, crucify them (Christian's) to trees, they blow up babies in training videos, cut peoples heads off, including children, and display their heads publicly, murder and behead their own children in honor killings, and fly jet liners into sky-scrapers. Islam is the habitation of devils.

She is the hold of every foul spirit.
A hold is the a place where captives are kept, a prison. Most terrorist organizations, ISIS being the worse for example, capture and enslave women for sexual purposes. A few examples of this BOKO Haram is who captured over 200 schoolgirls and put them in enslavement camps and used then as sex slaves and suicide bombers. Less than 2 years ago, (and continues today) Al Shabaab has done the same thing by capturing teenage girls and using them as sex slaves. That's why Islam is associated with the ***** of Babylon, but that's another story. ISIS, the most brutal terrorist group on earth, captured an estimated 6,383 Yazidis – mostly women and children – as young as 8 years old, enslaved and transported them to ISIS prisons and military training camps, and the homes of ISIS fighters across eastern Syria and western Iraq, where they were raped, beaten, sold, and locked away. By mid-2016, 2,590 women and children had escaped or been smuggled out of the caliphate and 3,793 remained in captivity. When ISIS fighters were besieged in their last stronghold – a small area in Baghuz located in eastern Syria. In a final act of depravity, fleeing ISIS fighters beheaded 50 Yazidi sex slaves, dumping their heads into trash bins for coalition soldiers to find.

I've just touched the surface and I know exactly how you will respond if I ask you what Rome does TODAY to make it a "habitation of devils."

2. The Sabbath was created at the Seventh day of creation. Before there was sin on this world. Genesis 2:1-3.
So, before that there was Israelites, The laws was there. They doesn't need it writing on a stone or anywhere, because it was in their heart.

No it wasn't. That happens to be the verse that says God took a rest! No laws were yet established! The sabbath and levitical law was not established at creation. The word Sabbath is first found in Exodus. The word ‘rest’ in Genesis simply means to keep as a day of rest. Two examples are in Leviticus where the word ‘rest’ is used WITH the word ‘Sabbath’. 7673 & 7676.

So I repeat...
The law was an observance between God and Israel. An Israelite could not leave their home, build a fire, or cause anyone to work. If they did any of those things they were to be put to death. You are mistaking if you think that applies to NT Christians. There’s no obligation for New Testament believers to observe a Saturday or Sunday Sabbath.

“One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord.”

Paul said, “For if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”

He also said, “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.”

Paul again,...

“Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. KJV Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

3. Jesus says do good on Sabbath, he didn't say break the Sabbath day.

There is no scripture that says the Sabbath is for Christians! The NT verses I just quoted prove that if we still live under the law Christ died in vain. And we can now observe and esteem any day we want unto the Lord. We are not - and never have been - required to adhere to the a Saturday Sabbath which was a command ONLY to the nation of Israel.

4. Colossians 2:16 is written for the Jews that are keeping the Sabbath. Not for the Gentiles that doesn't know the costume of their belief. Look at who Paul is talking too.
I think you should look at who Paul is talking to!

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Gentiles and Christians, even Jewish Christians, have always have been exempt from the sabbath and the law because Christ ended the written code of the law.

5. What was nailed on the cross was the sacrifice, not the LAW. Read Hebrews 7,8,9 and 10.

Who was the book of Hebrews written to! Jesus accomplished what was written in the law. "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."

6. You can choose which day you want for worship God. But the Lord's day is the Saturday Sabbath that He has hallowed and sanctified and blessed. Do you profane that day for Sunday?

The Lord's day is now whatever day we choose it to be. I celebrate the Lord's day on Sunday. If you want to celebrate the Lord's day on Saturday that's fine. Neither of us is profane.

I REPEAT!...

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. KJV Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

7. If you read Revelation 12:17 and 14:12, then you shall see after which people Satan tried to kill. Not only tried to kill, but are killing them. Because prophecy must fulfill.

I don't know what you're getting at.

8. The Sunday rest was made by man (the pope). Not God.

The reason for a Sunday observance was because Christianity was illegal until the 3rd century and Judaism was not. Christians observed their Sabbath on Saturday because it led the Roman authorities to think of them as Jews. Christians met on Saturday only to be identified with Judaism as IT was legal and Christianity was not. From the 5-6th century on, the Sunday observance was pretty much universal. Christians didn't want to be associated with Judaism anyway since their Sabbath denied the Christ.

A question for you, if you can not keep the Sabbath today, do you think that you can keep it in the new world that God sooner created it?
Isaiah 66:23.

The Laws that we are subject to in this age, end at the consummation of the age, i.e. "the end of the world." The laws that are established during the Millennial reign of Christ where he and Israel reign the earth are extensive and a completely different age. Isaiah 14.

 

[Pipiripi]

@Pipiripi --- realizing that your comments were meant for 'saginon' I'm going to take a moment to respond.

Today is Sunday -- the Lord's Day -- Why ? because Jesus Christ rose from the dead on the 1st day of the week. So 'we' honor the day / early morning bodily resurrection Of Jesus Christ.

And, yes, it Is true that God created for the first 6 days and rested on the 7th -- Sabboth / day of rest. There is Also the passage in New Testament about the importance of taking one day a week for rest and worship. If a person wants to do that on Saturday, Fine, If a person wants to do that on Sunday, Fine. Simply DO it.

And, as just commented -- Sunday is special as the early morning hours Jesus Christ rose from the dead / bodily. NOTHING to do with the pope NOTHING.

The Trinity / Godhead is very Biblical. God the Father, Jesus Christ His Son and the Holy Spirit. Without 'them' our salvation is not possible. The Godhead has provided our salvation.

Your second point -- about the Israelites. -- The Children of Israel didn't come into existence until the Lord 1st called Abram to leave his country and go to a land that He would show him. Abram would become a great nation -- his name great. So Abram took his wife Sarai with him and their relatives. Well -- it was actually two generations Later with Jacob and through his 4 wives and their 12 sons. Chapter 13 -- it was the land of Canaan. Chapter 17 : 4 ,5 "No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations. That's when circumcision was was instituted. And Sarai's name was changed to Sarah and they were promised a child. vs 8 the land of Canaan as an everlasting possession. Isaac would be the biological child of Abraham and Sarah.

But this is getting off track. Several generations later -- Jacob started fathering children through Leah and 3 other wives -- total of 12 sons -- continuing on to Chapter 32 : 28 "And he said, Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel.
So NOW in chapter 32:28 we Do Jacob becoming Israel. We Still need to go to chapter 49 :28 "All these are the 12 tribes of Israel -- Israel pronounces a blessing on all of them before he dies.

The Ten Commandments were not given until Exodus 20. God gave those Ten Commandments to Moses to write on that tablet.

And, yes, the Ten Commandments Were given to the Jews. Jesus was born a Jew

In the New Testament -- salvation Was extended to the 'rest of the world' the Gentiles BECAUSE the Jewish population refused to listen.

The cross of Christ -- Jesus Christ became the Perfect Lamb of God. No more need for Old Testament yearly sacrifices. Since the cross -- the shed blood of Jesus Christ -- His bodily resurrection -- we Now have Christianity. Our Risen Savior. Upon our personal salvation -- those ten commandments are written in our hearts. We do what we do out of our love for God. With Love comes a desire To 'obey' -- to do God's Will in our lives. And when we Don't -- the Holy Spirit is in us to remind us of what we Should be doing.

There Will be a 1,000 year earthly reign of Jesus Christ in this world. Will Sabboth worship be reinstated -- no idea. He will be ruling from Jerusalem. Satan will be locked up during these years. So a 'new world order'?

Or maybe the 'new world order' being referred to is when the AntiChrist takes over during the 7 yrs of tribulation. There Is indication of this world getting smaller and smaller due to technological advances. And there's talk about a new
G 4 or G 5 program being proposed?!

No my friend, Sunday is not God His day. It is the Roman Catholic day. Did Jesus says that when He resurrected from the dead, the change from Sabbath became Sunday?

Go read the book of Acts, after Jesus dead and woke up from the dead, they are still teaching and worshiping in the snoa on Saturday. Till today they are worship God on Saturday.

Show me a passage that Jesus says that after His dead on the cross, come an end to His Father Laws? The Ten Commandments specially the fourth commandment.
I see that you are still drinking milk my friend. Is time to eat solid meal.

I ask question and no one can answered me Biblical.

Jesus says think not, or don't think. Why you people are thinking the opposite? Show me in the Bible where I can read that Jesus says His dead on the cross shall ended the 10 Commandments. If you answered my question I can keep talking to you my friend.

The False Trinity doctrine is from the Romans Catholic Church.

Go on YouTube and search for. The Origin of the Roman Catholic Churh

 

[Sue D.]

@Pipiripi -- I just Googled the Origins of the Roman Catholic Church. There's nothing in the New Testament that is in Roman Catholicism. The only Scripture passage that they base their entire system of the papacy on is in Matthew 16:18 -- they claim that Peter was the rock that Jesus Christ was building His church on and that nothing would prevail against it. However, looking at the preceeding verses. The 'rock' being referred to was the fact that Peter was acknowledging that Jesus Christ was the Son of God. And that God the Father had revealed that to Peter. And that Jesus Christ is the Foundation of His church.

There is Nothing in Scripture / God's Word / that places Peter in any position as a pope.

The RCC church places Mary, the mother of Jesus, in a position that Scripture doesn't. The RCC has developed an entire doctrinal belief system that is Not based on Scripture.

The Children of Israel -- the tribe of Judah is the line through which Jesus was born. The Jews. They were God's chosen people. The Bible is God's Word -- all of it's inspired By God through the Holy Spirit. So God's Word in the New Testament tells us that the religious leaders of that day challenged Jesus as to what the most important commandments were. And Jesus Christ tells them that the Most important commandment is to love the Lord your God with all of your heart, and mind and soul and Then to love your neighbor as yourself." And our 'neighbor' are those people we live around, associate with at work our family Anyone Everyone we come into contact with. We are to be extending Godly love to 'our neighbor'.

When we do THAT -- we Are living the Ten Commandments.

I guess it's up to You if you want to keep on talking with us.

Now -- If You are Jewish -- Then you're more likely to want to follow the Ten Commandments. And worship on Saturday. That is up to you, personally.

And 'saginon' has given you a very good Scriptural / Biblical explanation,

And I'm just another poster like he is.

 

[Pipiripi]

@Pipiripi -- I just Googled the Origins of the Roman Catholic Church. There's nothing in the New Testament that is in Roman Catholicism. The only Scripture passage that they base their entire system of the papacy on is in Matthew 16:18 -- they claim that Peter was the rock that Jesus Christ was building His church on and that nothing would prevail against it. However, looking at the preceeding verses. The 'rock' being referred to was the fact that Peter was acknowledging that Jesus Christ was the Son of God. And that God the Father had revealed that to Peter. And that Jesus Christ is the Foundation of His church.

There is Nothing in Scripture / God's Word / that places Peter in any position as a pope.

The RCC church places Mary, the mother of Jesus, in a position that Scripture doesn't. The RCC has developed an entire doctrinal belief system that is Not based on Scripture.

The Children of Israel -- the tribe of Judah is the line through which Jesus was born. The Jews. They were God's chosen people. The Bible is God's Word -- all of it's inspired By God through the Holy Spirit. So God's Word in the New Testament tells us that the religious leaders of that day challenged Jesus as to what the most important commandments were. And Jesus Christ tells them that the Most important commandment is to love the Lord your God with all of your heart, and mind and soul and Then to love your neighbor as yourself." And our 'neighbor' are those people we live around, associate with at work our family Anyone Everyone we come into contact with. We are to be extending Godly love to 'our neighbor'.

When we do THAT -- we Are living the Ten Commandments.

I guess it's up to You if you want to keep on talking with us.

Now -- If You are Jewish -- Then you're more likely to want to follow the Ten Commandments. And worship on Saturday. That is up to you, personally.

And 'saginon' has given you a very good Scriptural / Biblical explanation,

And I'm just another poster like he is.

My friend don't you know that the two commandments is based on the 10 Commandments?
The First four belongs to God and the Six others to humans. If you say that they are in your heart, why don't you put them in practices?
You didn't have understand nothing about the RCC Why? Because your eyes and minds are blind. As long that a person HOLD to the trinity doctrine, they are part of the RCC. Still now you all cannot answered my questions biblical. Romans 8:4 is for me and 8:7 is for you. Just accept the truth and give an other person to say something. God have send me here to unmasked the devils teaching here.

ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS IF YOU CAN.