Pipiripi
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How could you be a teacher and your don't know what or who is the person in Revelation 12:17 and 14;12?Babylon or Babylon the Great isn't associated with Rome. The ancient area of Babylon is today occupied by Islam, not Rome. Babylon can only be associated with a few things.
1. Literal Babylon.
2 Confusion.
3. False religion.
Rome/Catholicism is not a false religion. It can be labelled heretical, but not false. In fact there is heresy in every Church. People who observe a Sunday Sabbath are not uniting with Rome. In fact, it's quite the opposite!
You quote Revelation 18 -
"And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird."
The passage is a reflection of Isaiah 21:9 and tells us that Babylon falls twice. Ancient Babylon fell in 539BCE and "Babylon the Great" - simply interpreted "is a large false religion" which falls once again at the consummation of the age.
Verse 4...
"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."
This doesn't tell us much of anything about Babylon the Great other than encouraging its followers to not participate in her sins otherwise they will partake in more plagues. Who can this Babylon the Great be? We certainly have choices.
1. A united one world religion.
2. Catholicism/Rome.
3. Islam.
What are some of the identification marks?
1. She is the habitation of devils.
2. She is the hold of every foul spirit.
3. She is the cage of every unclean and hateful bird."
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The habitation of Devils.
The devil is quite active in the world today, even in Churches. The world religion that I would consider the most evil today is Islam. The word 'habitation' is only used twice in the New Testament. It means an abode - a dwelling place. The devil's main dwelling place is in Islam. Islam has more than 30 evil terrorist organizations scattered across the earth bent on conquering the infidel (non-believer), dominating the world, and the complete destruction of Israel. To give you and idea of what they are doing to Christians today,...
They blow themselves up in public places all the while believing they are doing the will of Allah, pluck the eyes and tongues out of people including nuns, priest, and children. They tie people up and run over them with the tracks of a tank, they burn people alive, crucify them (Christian's) to trees, they blow up babies in training videos, cut peoples heads off, including children, and display their heads publicly, murder and behead their own children in honor killings, and fly jet liners into sky-scrapers. Islam is the habitation of devils.
She is the hold of every foul spirit.
A hold is the a place where captives are kept, a prison. Most terrorist organizations, ISIS being the worse for example, capture and enslave women for sexual purposes. A few examples of this BOKO Haram is who captured over 200 schoolgirls and put them in enslavement camps and used then as sex slaves and suicide bombers. Less than 2 years ago, (and continues today) Al Shabaab has done the same thing by capturing teenage girls and using them as sex slaves. That's why Islam is associated with the ***** of Babylon, but that's another story. ISIS, the most brutal terrorist group on earth, captured an estimated 6,383 Yazidis – mostly women and children – as young as 8 years old, enslaved and transported them to ISIS prisons and military training camps, and the homes of ISIS fighters across eastern Syria and western Iraq, where they were raped, beaten, sold, and locked away. By mid-2016, 2,590 women and children had escaped or been smuggled out of the caliphate and 3,793 remained in captivity. When ISIS fighters were besieged in their last stronghold – a small area in Baghuz located in eastern Syria. In a final act of depravity, fleeing ISIS fighters beheaded 50 Yazidi sex slaves, dumping their heads into trash bins for coalition soldiers to find.
I've just touched the surface and I know exactly how you will respond if I ask you what Rome does TODAY to make it a "habitation of devils."No it wasn't. That happens to be the verse that says God took a rest! No laws were yet established! The sabbath and levitical law was not established at creation. The word Sabbath is first found in Exodus. The word ‘rest’ in Genesis simply means to keep as a day of rest. Two examples are in Leviticus where the word ‘rest’ is used WITH the word ‘Sabbath’. 7673 & 7676.
So I repeat...
The law was an observance between God and Israel. An Israelite could not leave their home, build a fire, or cause anyone to work. If they did any of those things they were to be put to death. You are mistaking if you think that applies to NT Christians. There’s no obligation for New Testament believers to observe a Saturday or Sunday Sabbath.
“One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord.”
Paul said, “For if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”
He also said, “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.”
Paul again,...
“Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. KJV Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
There is no scripture that says the Sabbath is for Christians! The NT verses I just quoted prove that if we still live under the law Christ died in vain. And we can now observe and esteem any day we want unto the Lord. We are not - and never have been - required to adhere to the a Saturday Sabbath which was a command ONLY to the nation of Israel.
4. Colossians 2:16 is written for the Jews that are keeping the Sabbath. Not for the Gentiles that doesn't know the costume of their belief. Look at who Paul is talking too.
I think you should look at who Paul is talking to!
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Gentiles and Christians, even Jewish Christians, have always have been exempt from the sabbath and the law because Christ ended the written code of the law.
Who was the book of Hebrews written to! Jesus accomplished what was written in the law. "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."
The Lord's day is now whatever day we choose it to be. I celebrate the Lord's day on Sunday. If you want to celebrate the Lord's day on Saturday that's fine. Neither of us is profane.
I REPEAT!...
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. KJV Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
I don't know what you're getting at.
The reason for a Sunday observance was because Christianity was illegal until the 3rd century and Judaism was not. Christians observed their Sabbath on Saturday because it led the Roman authorities to think of them as Jews. Christians met on Saturday only to be identified with Judaism as IT was legal and Christianity was not. From the 5-6th century on, the Sunday observance was pretty much universal. Christians didn't want to be associated with Judaism anyway since their Sabbath denied the Christ.
The Laws that we are subject to in this age, end at the consummation of the age, i.e. "the end of the world." The laws that are established during the Millennial reign of Christ where he and Israel reign the earth are extensive and a completely different age. Isaiah 14.
Answered me who are they today. Are they keeping the Sabbath, the 10 Commandments and HAVE the faith of Jesus? Or they just only believe in Jesus. God's children have and obey the words written in the Bible. No man's teaching.
