Are you a Christian if you don't believe in the eternal Triune nature of God?

[only son]

Trinity teaches that - The Father, Son and Spirit are “ three separate distinct divine persons “

Co - Equal,
Co - Eternal,
Co - Omnipresent,

Co - in Latin _ means = " together, with " mutually, in common.

BUT - This is not what the Bible is saying.. Jesus is relocated to a different seat or place and he is told that he will be seated or present there - O N L Y - until a specific duration of time - until a specific action is completed.

This already proves that Jesus here - was not omnipresent ………………


Trinitarians are claiming in their Translation, Jesus is being commanded - Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

This means that Jesus was not always there and that he will not always be there !

Jesus is being relocated, passing from one location and moving to another location - a location where he was not previously - and not omnipresent he will be REMOVED and TAKEN OUT, AWAY from the RIGHT HAND OF GOD - once the time has expired………………..

I have asked this question to every single Trinitarian that I have opportunity to ask and I have never received an answer.

I know that - Trinitarians wholly affirm that God is Three Different, Distinct, Separated Divine Persons who are “ ALL THREE “ Eternally - ETERNALLY - CO- Equal and Eternally CO – Eternal and yet - Eternally ONE SINGLE GOD. –

As 3 separate persons or beings of God.

My question, is - If Jesus is “ AT “ or “ ON “ the right HAND of God , where did he exist before he was located / or placed to be there ? “

Because that the Trinitarian Bible Translation clearly states says concerning Jesus

Mat 22:44 -------- Sit thou ON my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Mar 12:36 -------- Sit thou ON my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Act 2:34 -------- Sit thou ON my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

HERE, WE SEE in the Trinitarian Translation that Jesus, the son, is not previously or formerly sitting / dwelling ON the right hand of God…

God is saying of Jesus - SIT HERE UNTIL THIS TIME COMES

If God is commanding Jesus to sit ON his right hand - this means that Jesus was not formally or previously sitting there - or God would not have cause or reason to command Jesus to relocate and then place him there - ON HIS RIGHT HAND.

JESUS IS BEING ASKED TO BE RE - POSITIONED - RE LOCATED - TO SIT AT ANOTHER LOCATION

- and - this place, “ ON or AT the right hand of God “ AND this is not where God intends Jesus to sit for eternity or as a permanent location.

Jesus is only to be there UNTIL a certain time passes. UNTIL A CERTAIN TIME EXPIRES -
Mar 12:36 -------- Sit thou ON my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Jesus is relocated to a different seat or place and he is told that he will be seated or present there –
O N L Y - until a specific duration of time - until a specific action is completed. Until that his enemies are a footstool.

This means that Jesus was not always there and that he will not always be there / Jesus is being relocated, passing from one location and moving to another location - a location where he was not previously - and he will some day be REMOVED and TAKEN OUT, AWAY from this location AT / ON the RIGHT HAND OF GOD –

once the time has expired… … … … … … ..

I simply cannot obtain an answer from the Trinitarian believer … ..

Trinitarian teaching demands - that Jesus is eternally - under the command of God . .

and exists in a TRINITY as the SECOND PERSON in a Trinity GODHEAD hierarchy and in ranking order - wherein His Father is forever more powerful, forever greater, forever superior and that the Holy Spirit is the third person who is taking orders and controlled by the Father and Jesus.

The Father is commanded by no one - but commands Jesus - and Jesus commands the Holy Spirit.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT TRINITARIANS DEMAND.

Trinitarian teaching demands - that A NEW position and NEW rank is being given to Jesus after his resurrection - HIS NEW POSITION OF POWER IS TO RE POSITIONED and RE LOCATED AT or ON the RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE FATHER.

THE QUESTION IS - from the Trinitarian Translation why can Trinitarians not answer

" why would Jesus have to LOWER Himself and take on the role or morph or form of a MAN or LOWER HIMSELF to be a servant of God - IF THAT WAS WHAT or who HE ALREADY always WAS and always will be ?

In other words - Where do Trinitarians believe that Jesus existed before he was to sit at the right hand of God and where do Trinitarians believe that Jesus will sit or exist after his enemies are a footstool ?

If Jesus was moved to sit at the right hand of God - until his enemies were a footstool,
Why - WHY was he to sit there if that is where he already was. And where do Trinitarians believe or claim that he will he sit or exist after his enemies are a footstool ? -

Meaning = if he was to sit at the right hand - until - such and such a time. Why was he asked to sit there, if Trinitarians claim that this is where he always existed. ?

Trinitarians teach that Yahashua is Co Eternal - and Co Equal - and Co Omnipresent second person who is on the right hand of the throne of the father.

Where do Trinitarians believe from their Translation that Jesus existed before he was asked to sit at the right hand of God - and where do Trinitarians believe that Jesus will sit or exist after his enemies are a footstool ?

why would Jesus have to LOWER Himself and take on the role or morph or form of a MAN or LOWER HIMSELF to be CHANGED ad ALTERED CHANGING HIS STATUS ONTO EXISTING AS a servant of God -

IF THAT WAS WHAT or who HE ALREADY WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE IN THE TRINITARIAN TRANSLATION ?

Where and what do Trinitarians even believe " from their Translation " that Jesus existed before he was asked to sit at the right hand of God ?

The Trinitarian has absolutely no answer -

 

[Waggles]

Isaiah 48:16 Draw near to me, hear this: from the beginning I have not spoken in secret, from the time it came to be I have been there.” And now the Lord GOD has sent me, and his Spirit. [ESV]

(JPS) Come ye near unto Me, hear ye this: From the beginning I have not spoken in secret; from the time that it was, there am I; and now the Lord GOD hath sent me, and His spirit.

(LSV) Come near to Me, hear this, || I have not spoken in secret from the beginning, || From the time of its being, I [am] there, || And now Lord YHWH has sent Me, and His Spirit.”

(KJV) Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

 

[Sue D.]

@only son -- sounds like you're really wanting answers. The Trinity is a concept that can be confusing. The God Head is made up of God the Father ,Jesus Christ his Son and the Holy Spirit. All three has their part in our salvation.

Can a person be a Christian and not accept it? We do need to accept God's Word as being the truth. That it is reliable even when we don't understand it.

When a person is debating it or arguing about it. Then their salvation would be in question. Bit that also means that they are searching for answers and need guidance.

 

[Curtis]

Where and what do Trinitarians even believe " from their Translation " that Jesus existed before he was asked to sit at the right hand of God ?

Jesus said.....

Joh 17:5 So my Father, restore me back to the glory that we shared together when we were face-to-face before the universe was created.”(TPT)

 

[PloughBoy]

To be a Christian , go to a Christian church of your choosing, and they will baptize you and give you a document and give you the right hand of fellowship and have you repeat some words. And they will declare you a “Bona fide” Christian and some will teach you how to speak a language they call tongues If you pick the right denomination.
Now you have become one of the 2.6 billion plus Christian’s in the whole wide world. Now go and make new Christian’s and do the same to them like they done to you.

 

[PloughBoy]

Trinity teaches that - The Father, Son and Spirit are “ three separate distinct divine persons “

Co - Equal,
Co - Eternal,
Co - Omnipresent,

Co - in Latin _ means = " together, with " mutually, in common.

BUT - This is not what the Bible is saying.. Jesus is relocated to a different seat or place and he is told that he will be seated or present there - O N L Y - until a specific duration of time - until a specific action is completed.

This already proves that Jesus here - was not omnipresent ………………


Trinitarians are claiming in their Translation, Jesus is being commanded - Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

This means that Jesus was not always there and that he will not always be there !

Jesus is being relocated, passing from one location and moving to another location - a location where he was not previously - and not omnipresent he will be REMOVED and TAKEN OUT, AWAY from the RIGHT HAND OF GOD - once the time has expired………………..

I have asked this question to every single Trinitarian that I have opportunity to ask and I have never received an answer.

I know that - Trinitarians wholly affirm that God is Three Different, Distinct, Separated Divine Persons who are “ ALL THREE “ Eternally - ETERNALLY - CO- Equal and Eternally CO – Eternal and yet - Eternally ONE SINGLE GOD. –

As 3 separate persons or beings of God.

My question, is - If Jesus is “ AT “ or “ ON “ the right HAND of God , where did he exist before he was located / or placed to be there ? “

Because that the Trinitarian Bible Translation clearly states says concerning Jesus

Mat 22:44 -------- Sit thou ON my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Mar 12:36 -------- Sit thou ON my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Act 2:34 -------- Sit thou ON my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

HERE, WE SEE in the Trinitarian Translation that Jesus, the son, is not previously or formerly sitting / dwelling ON the right hand of God…

God is saying of Jesus - SIT HERE UNTIL THIS TIME COMES

If God is commanding Jesus to sit ON his right hand - this means that Jesus was not formally or previously sitting there - or God would not have cause or reason to command Jesus to relocate and then place him there - ON HIS RIGHT HAND.

JESUS IS BEING ASKED TO BE RE - POSITIONED - RE LOCATED - TO SIT AT ANOTHER LOCATION

- and - this place, “ ON or AT the right hand of God “ AND this is not where God intends Jesus to sit for eternity or as a permanent location.

Jesus is only to be there UNTIL a certain time passes. UNTIL A CERTAIN TIME EXPIRES -
Mar 12:36 -------- Sit thou ON my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Jesus is relocated to a different seat or place and he is told that he will be seated or present there –
O N L Y - until a specific duration of time - until a specific action is completed. Until that his enemies are a footstool.

This means that Jesus was not always there and that he will not always be there / Jesus is being relocated, passing from one location and moving to another location - a location where he was not previously - and he will some day be REMOVED and TAKEN OUT, AWAY from this location AT / ON the RIGHT HAND OF GOD –

once the time has expired… … … … … … ..

I simply cannot obtain an answer from the Trinitarian believer … ..

Trinitarian teaching demands - that Jesus is eternally - under the command of God . .

and exists in a TRINITY as the SECOND PERSON in a Trinity GODHEAD hierarchy and in ranking order - wherein His Father is forever more powerful, forever greater, forever superior and that the Holy Spirit is the third person who is taking orders and controlled by the Father and Jesus.

The Father is commanded by no one - but commands Jesus - and Jesus commands the Holy Spirit.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT TRINITARIANS DEMAND.

Trinitarian teaching demands - that A NEW position and NEW rank is being given to Jesus after his resurrection - HIS NEW POSITION OF POWER IS TO RE POSITIONED and RE LOCATED AT or ON the RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE FATHER.

THE QUESTION IS - from the Trinitarian Translation why can Trinitarians not answer

" why would Jesus have to LOWER Himself and take on the role or morph or form of a MAN or LOWER HIMSELF to be a servant of God - IF THAT WAS WHAT or who HE ALREADY always WAS and always will be ?

In other words - Where do Trinitarians believe that Jesus existed before he was to sit at the right hand of God and where do Trinitarians believe that Jesus will sit or exist after his enemies are a footstool ?

If Jesus was moved to sit at the right hand of God - until his enemies were a footstool,
Why - WHY was he to sit there if that is where he already was. And where do Trinitarians believe or claim that he will he sit or exist after his enemies are a footstool ? -

Meaning = if he was to sit at the right hand - until - such and such a time. Why was he asked to sit there, if Trinitarians claim that this is where he always existed. ?

Trinitarians teach that Yahashua is Co Eternal - and Co Equal - and Co Omnipresent second person who is on the right hand of the throne of the father.

Where do Trinitarians believe from their Translation that Jesus existed before he was asked to sit at the right hand of God - and where do Trinitarians believe that Jesus will sit or exist after his enemies are a footstool ?

why would Jesus have to LOWER Himself and take on the role or morph or form of a MAN or LOWER HIMSELF to be CHANGED ad ALTERED CHANGING HIS STATUS ONTO EXISTING AS a servant of God -

IF THAT WAS WHAT or who HE ALREADY WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE IN THE TRINITARIAN TRANSLATION ?

Where and what do Trinitarians even believe " from their Translation " that Jesus existed before he was asked to sit at the right hand of God ?

The Trinitarian has absolutely no answer -

“lOL” Please! No need to reply because I will not respond!

 

[Sue D.]

To be a Christian , go to a Christian church of your choosing, and they will baptize you and give you a document and give you the right hand of fellowship and have you repeat some words. And they will declare you a “Bona fide” Christian and some will teach you how to speak a language they call tongues If you pick the right denomination.
Now you have become one of the 2.6 billion plus Christian’s in the whole wide world. Now go and make new Christian’s and do the same to them like they done to you.

That is Not what God's Word teaches about how to become a Christian.

 

[PloughBoy]

That is Not what God's Word teaches about how to become a Christian.

Well what does “God’s” WORD teaches about how to become a “Christian” and I do not mean the words that comes out of a corrupted mortal as if they are The Very WORDS! Of “GOD ALMIGHTY And be proven a Liar”!

Now watch the mortal man’s substitute descriptive replacement WORDS to shape the clay in between his hands. Now observe the cunningness of the created creature. That bend words shaping them into their own desires. And which they can never be corrected. Even GOD himself refused to make the arrow straight.

 

[Daniel L.]

Jesus proved HE is the eternal Son of God and God the Son, one of three in the eternal Triune Godhead of Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

Are you a true born again believer if you reject the triune nature of God?

No:
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

 

[th1bill]

No:
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

In this world that is no longer my own it is considered rude to speak the truth of this matter but at 77 and a good fifty-five years from the world, I know other folks disgust impresses me so little. So I tell you the truth. I have spent the past thirty-five years studying and learning what YHWH has had recorded in t he Bible we call holy and it is certain that you do not want to spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire. You, a lost man, will know a death that cannot be imagined that will last beyond any concept of time.

This will anger some but the Soul, the Spirit, of man is Eternal and there is much we do not know yet but no man wants to find himself in the midst of an Eternal Fire, dying for the remainder of time. The only passage from this fate has not much to do with Religion but has everything to do with believing in Yashua ha´Mashiah, Jesus, the Savior, and obeying His Commands and when we mess up, asking Him to forgive and to help us not sin in the future.

 

[Garee]

Jesus said.....

Joh 17:5 So my Father, restore me back to the glory that we shared together when we were face-to-face before the universe was created.”(TPT)

Face to face means, faith the unseen to the same unseen, faith. Or revealed knowledge as it is written to the same (sola scriptura) God is not a man he has no form.

Christ as the eternal Spirt of Sonship that works in sons of God. The Holy Spirit that works in all the brothers and sister and mother , the church

Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

 

[only son]

What does the Bible say about Joh 17

:5 And now glorify me you father from yourself, the glory that I had before, to the world that is from you,

Joh 17:5 και And - νυν now - δοξασο glorify - με me - συ you - πατερ father - παρα from - σεαυτω yourself, - τη the - δοξη glory - η that - ειχον I had - προ before -

- του to - τον the - κοσμο world - ειναι that is - παρα from - σοι you.


THE K.J.V RENDERS THIS PASSAGE TO CHANGE IT TO SAY . ... .

Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self, with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

And the Catholic Translation takes the Trinity home – inserting / ADDING the words " with thee " - at the ending of this passage.

Joh 17:5 AND NOW GLORIFY THOU ME, O FATHER, WITH THYSELF, WITH THE GLORY WHICH I HAD, BEFORE THE WORLD WAS, WITH THEE.
This is the Catholic Translation. The K.J.V copies the Catholic translation

how would this be relating to the trinity - why was it important TO INVENT THE IDEA that the glory that Jesus had, with the father was - ONLY WITH JESUS, BEFORE THAT THE WORLD WAS.

does anyone understand how or why in Trinitarian theology, Jesus had the glory with the Father before the world was created, THEN, HE LOST ALL OF THIS GLORY - IMMEDIATELY after the world was created, and then came to be born on earth and received something proportional of the glory of the Father, THEN HE RESURRECTS AND ASCENDS TO HEAVEN TO RECEIVE THE SAME GLORY THAT HE LOST, FOR APROX 4000 YEARS, SINCE THE CREATION OF THE EARTH.

this is what the Trinitarian Translation is attempting to explain - what Yahashua was doing and who he was for the first 4000 years after creation. He was a second person of the Trinity - who existed before the world was created with glory of the father, he then LOST ALL this glory immediately after the EARTH was created - only to regain the glory again after he had been resurrected.

How then, is he Co - Equal, if he goes, progressing up and down and then up again, moving through stages of loosing and regaining his glory and does not have the power or ability or right to maintain his glory eternally ? This contradicts the Trinity doctrine.

If we go to the original Greek manuscripts
Saying Joh 17:5 AND NOW GLORIFY ME YOU FATHER FROM YOURSELF, THE GLORY THAT I HAD BEFORE, TO THE WORLD THAT IS FROM YOU.

Joh 17:5 και And - νυν now - δοξασο glorify - με me - συ you - πατερ father - παρα from - σεαυτω yourself, - τη the - δοξη glory - η that - ειχον I had - προ before - - του to - τον the - κοσμο world - ειναι that is - παρα from - σοι you.


This is a huge difference - Yahashua is saying that he will be glorified with the same glory he had with the father - HE WILL BE GLORIFIED with this same glory - UNTO THE WORLD
because he was preparing to immediately die thereafter - and return back to the father

THE GLORY THAT I HAD BEFORE, “ will be “ manifested - TO THE WORLD THAT IS FROM YOU.

:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me OUT OF THE WORLD
: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely THAT - I CAME OUT FROM THEE ……… /

in - THE WORLD THAT IS FROM YOU.

The K.J.V renders this passage to change it to say . ... .

Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the GLORY WHICH I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.

This is a completely untruthful translation - Trinitarians are removing words, moving words around and adding words.

The original says Joh 17:5 AND NOW GLORIFY ME YOU FATHER FROM YOURSELF, THE GLORY THAT I HAD BEFORE, TO THE WORLD THAT IS FROM YOU.

Then he goes on explaining in detail how this GLORY WILL BE MANIFESTED TO THE WORLD because, here - he is at the ending of his ministry and will die in a few days and return to the father.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Jesus proved HE is the eternal Son of God and God the Son, one of three in the eternal Triune Godhead of Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

Are you a true born again believer if you reject the triune nature of God?

The "triune nature of God" is "theology", and not a requirement for salvation - in fact before one is BORN AGAIN the kingdom of God is invisible to them. AFTER one is saved, they can begin to understand what's going on - take Jesus YOKE upon you, and LEARN OF HIM.

Jesus called out "Father", "Son", and "Holy Spirit" so in some sense - the three function.

 

[Waggles]

John 17:5 And now glorify THOU me with thyself, Father, with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. [NENT]
OK you do not want to believe the "trinity" and that Y'shua [Jesus] is God - so you discredit the Greek manuscripts and pick one that suits you.
Much the same as cessationists claim that Mark 16:15-20 is not the word of God and therefore not true.
The above verse is the translation given by Ivan Panin who used the numerics of the original Greek manuscripts to determine the authenticity or otherwise of every single word in the NT.
God sealed his word by using arithmetic values of the Hebrew and Greek alphabets to show what is inspired and what was of men or satan.
This is also how Bible scholars know with certainty that mark 16:15-20 is God inspired and true.

 

[Waggles]

How then, is he Co - Equal, if he goes, progressing up and down and then up again, moving through stages of loosing and regaining his glory and does not have the power or ability or right to maintain his glory eternally ? This contradicts the Trinity doctrine.

As I do not dwell in the spirit realm nor have been to the third Heaven to see the glory of GOD I do not know of these things.
Perhaps it is best that we accept that there are mysteries concerning spiritual beings and their domain.
How do miraculous healings work?
But Paul the apostle saw things in the third Heaven and shares with us some of what he knows by divine inspiration.
Philippians 2:5 Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus
6 who, existing in God’s form, counted not the being on an equality with God aught to be grasped at,
7 but emptied himself, taking a bondman’s form, being made in likeness of men;
8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient unto death, yea, death of the cross. [NENT]

Isaiah 48:16 Draw near to me, hear this: from the beginning I have not spoken in secret, from the time it came to be I have been there.” And now the Lord GOD has sent me, and his Spirit. [ESV]

 

[Waggles]

John 3:12 If I told you the earthly things and ye believe not, how shall ye believe if I tell you heavenly?
13 And no one hath ascended into the heaven, except he that descended out of the heaven, the Son of man.

John 6:62 What then if ye should behold the Son of man ascending where he was before?

 

[only son]

Joh 3:13 και AND - ουδεις NO ONE - αναβεβηκεν HAS ASCENDED εις INTO - τον THE - ουρανον HEAVEN - ει THAT - μη NOR / NEITHER - ο WHOM - εκ OUT FROM - του THE ουρανου HEAVEN - καταβας CAME DOWN, - ο WHOM - υιος THE SON - του OF ανθρωπου MANKIND,, - ο WHO - EXITS - εν IN - τω THIS - ουρανω HEAVEN


Joh 3:13 AND NO - ONE HAS ASCENDED INTO THE HEAVEN THAT NOR - NEITHER WHOM OUT FROM THE HEAVEN CAME DOWN, WHOM THE SON OF MANKIND,, WHO EXITS IN THIS HEAVEN.

 

[Garee]

John 17:5 And now glorify THOU me with thyself, Father, with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. [NENT]
OK you do not want to believe the "trinity" and that Y'shua [Jesus] is God - so you discredit the Greek manuscripts and pick one that suits you.
Much the same as cessationists claim that Mark 16:15-20 is not the word of God and therefore not true.
The above verse is the translation given by Ivan Panin who used the numerics of the original Greek manuscripts to determine the authenticity or otherwise of every single word in the NT.
God sealed his word by using arithmetic values of the Hebrew and Greek alphabets to show what is inspired and what was of men or satan.
This is also how Bible scholars know with certainty that mark 16:15-20 is God inspired and true.

Jesus the chief messenger (apostle) or prophet is our brother in the lord .The first born of many sons of God which according to 1 John we are not knowing what we will be when all in the twinkling of the eyes receive the in corruptible as the wife or bride of Christ .


Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.


God no more uses numerics of the original Greek manuscripts to determine the authenticity or otherwise of every single word in the NT. . than he would making baby sounds without meaning.

Christ spoke in parable they reveal the mysteries of God or the signified understanding .. . without parables Christ who worked in the Son of man Jesus "spoke not ".

The cessationists claim the last book of the Bible is Revelation . They do not believe spiritual gifts (not seen) has ceased .

 

[only son]

mistake in the last post, accidently, left out the Greek word - " ων " EXITS or who - is

ο WHOM - υιος THE SON - του OF - ανθρωπου MANKIND,, - ο WHO - ων EXITS - εν IN -

AND NO - ONE HAS ASCENDED INTO THE HEAVEN THAT NEITHER WHO OUT FROM THE HEAVEN CAME DOWN,

WHOM THE SON OF MANKIND,, WHO IS IN THIS HEAVEN

2Co_5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known The Anointing after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.


Joh 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son
quickeneth whom he will.

Joh 5:22 ουδε Neither / not - γαρ that - ο the - πατηρ father - κρινε judges - ουδενα no one - αλλα except - την the - κρισιν judgement - πασαν of all - δεδωκεν he give - τω the - υιω son

Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him

Neither / not that the father judges no one but / except the judgement of all he gives the son.

THE PASSAGE IS NOT SAYING THAT - the father judges no man - it is saying that the father and the son raise the dead and

AND NOT THAT THE FATHER IS NOT THE JUDGE - BUT ALL JUDGMENT IS GIVEN TO THE SON

because they are the same God - and not multiple separate Co persons in a triunity godhead -

:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
The passage is not saying that the father judges no man
it is saying that just as the father, the son also raises the dead
the father is judge - but all judgment is given to the son

 

[only son]

ων EXISTS or I AM