Beware of the "Rapture Ready" Forum

[spirit1st]

the Dead in Christ are with HIM now ! He bring those with Him to gether the rest!

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

They Must be in New Jerusalem to come back here with Him!


Every person born -Again being are with the LORD now, that body has died !


2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

 

[youngjohn]

The Church in Matthew 24

Somebody wrote that the elect in Matthew 24:31 cannot be the Church because there is no menton there of the resurrection of the saints. Lets look at what the Bible says.

Mark 13:27 (ESV)
And then he will send out the angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven.

This verse says the elect will be gathered from both earth and heaven.

Who would be coming from heaven at the rapture?

1 Thes. 4:16 (ESV) tells us.
For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

It is the dead in Christ who will gather at the rapture. So here is a resurrecton of the righteous.

The Olivet Discourse is clearly about the Church.

youngjohn

 

[youngjohn]

limits of the Great Tribulation

Every so often I read something that refers to the Great Tribulation up into Revelation chapter 19.

This cannot be.

We read in Matthew 24:29-30 (ESV)
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, ....... and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

The words "after the tribulation" means that the Tribulation will end at the parousia of Jesus.

Chapters up through 19 are not part of the Tribulation. The Wrath of God in chapter 16 is not part of the Tribulation.

People who do not understand this are confused and confuse others.

youngjohn

 

[youngjohn]

with what body?

Speaking of the resurrection, Paul asked in 1 Cor. 15:35 (KJV) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

Paul aswered the question, 1 Cor. 15:38 (KJV) But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. He likens it to a seed.

I have taken a kernal of corn, about the size of my fingernail. I planted it. It sprouted and grew. In time it was a corn stalk with a mass thousands of times greater than the original seed. The stalk was bright green and different in apearance. It flowered with tassel and silk. It attracted bumble bees and butterflies. Who would have guessd what it had been?

So it will be in the resurrection. We cannot know how many new abilites that new body will have.

We read "We shall be like Him." In His resurrection body He entered a room without opening the door. He appeared at will. Think about it.

youngjohn

 

[youngjohn]

Is it important?

One person wrote asking me why my interest in the rapture question is important.

It is important to me because Jesus thought it is. In the first two gospels I find twelve times Jesus warned us about being misled. Why so many wanings?

He warned in Luke 21:34 (ESV) that the time of the tribulation would "come upon you suddenly like a trap."

At the same time He warned in Luke 21:36 (ESV) that we should be "praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man."

In Matthew 24:23 after the Great Tribulation has started people will still be looking for Jesus because if what they had wrongly believed were true, He should have already come.

If we love Jesus, we believe what He says. I do.

youngjohn

 

[youngjohn]

In these pages I have noted instances where the theory of a rapture before the Great Tribulation is not consistent with what the Bible actually says.

Beyond that, there are passages in the Bible that teach an order of future events that contradicts the pretrib rapture theory. Matthew 24 does this when we accept what it actually says.

Some one asked me to give in written form a complete statement of my own view. This is available in the form of a book I wrote, The Rapture Examined, published by WinePress Publishing. Even I have to pay to get copies of this book. I think they charge about fifteen dollars for one copy. You can order by callling toll free 877-421-7323.

youngjohn

 

[Ophel]

In these pages I have noted instances where the theory of a rapture before the Great Tribulation is not consistent with what the Bible actually says.

Beyond that, there are passages in the Bible that teach an order of future events that contradicts the pretrib rapture theory. Matthew 24 does this when we accept what it actually says.

Some one asked me to give in written form a complete statement of my own view. This is available in the form of a book I wrote, The Rapture Examined, published by WinePress Publishing. Even I have to pay to get copies of this book. I think they charge about fifteen dollars for one copy. You can order by callling toll free 877-421-7323.

youngjohn

So, what does the bible actually say that is inconsistent with pre-Tribulation rapture?

Many seem to forget that no matter what the view, it is all consistent with scripture. You cannot possibly stand there and say that strong, mature believers who have walked with Jesus Christ for years and have an intimate relationship with Him through Holy Spirit are in spiritual error when they interpret scripture to teach of a pre-Tribulation rapture of the Church!

Pre-Tribulationists tend to be persecuted for their beliefs and that is wrong. There is NO interpretation that is solidly definitive! The word of God is not totally clear about end things. God just wants us to be ready. What is more important than our dogma is our walk and that we are outward-focused believers, seeking the lost and bringing them to Jesus Christ, so that we will all be ready when Jesus returns--whenever that is!

 

[Juliebeth]

Rapture Ready

I am a member of RR I know the people who run it and the forum does not neutralize believers or control them. They do encourage people in the faith. If you dont believe me read the outreach given to one member in the post Do You Suffer. He was suicidal and everyone there encouraged him in Christ. We are not satanic tat is a SERIOUS thing to accuse fellow believers of. Every one on there loves and serves Jesus. Please do a study for yourself on pre trib rapture. Check out RR they do not allow any satanic material to be posted and top prophecy writers post there. Chad should not allow you to be condemning RR like this and I am shocked to find this.

 

[youngjohn]

Ophel:

Some time ago in this list one member asked for one verse that teaches a pretrib rapture. I have been asking for that for many years. Why is there no answer?

Those who believe this view and do not answer the question are adding to the Bible. What is the biblical basis for your view?

That is serious.

youngjohn

 

[Ophel]

Ophel:

Some time ago in this list one member asked for one verse that teaches a pretrib rapture. I have been asking for that for many years. Why is there no answer?

Those who believe this view and do not answer the question are adding to the Bible. What is the biblical basis for your view?

That is serious.

youngjohn

The sum of all scripture attests to the view, just as the sum of all scripture attests to yours.

IT IS THE SAME SCRIPTURE! Your question is moot.

 

[Ophel]

I am a member of RR I know the people who run it and the forum does not neutralize believers or control them. They do encourage people in the faith. If you dont believe me read the outreach given to one member in the post Do You Suffer. He was suicidal and everyone there encouraged him in Christ. We are not satanic tat is a SERIOUS thing to accuse fellow believers of. Every one on there loves and serves Jesus. Please do a study for yourself on pre trib rapture. Check out RR they do not allow any satanic material to be posted and top prophecy writers post there. Chad should not allow you to be condemning RR like this and I am shocked to find this.

Welcome to Talk Jesus, Juliebeth! I agree with you!

 

[Juliebeth]

The sum of all scripture attests to the view, just as the sum of all scripture attests to yours.

IT IS THE SAME SCRIPTURE! Your question is moot.

Isaiah Said It Best

But your dead will live; their bodies will rise. You who dwell in the dust, wake up and shout for joy. Your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead.

Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by.

See, the LORD is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins. The earth will disclose the blood shed upon her; she will conceal her slain no longer. (Isaiah 26:19-21)

Without a doubt this is the clearest statement of the Lord's intentions for the Church anywhere in the Old Testament. It can't be tied to any event in history, but clearly awaits a future fulfillment. And it can't be intended for Israel, whose resurrection will come after the time of God's wrath, not before it. (Daniel 12:1-2)

Some day soon a group of people will suddenly rise from the dead. Another group, still living, will be whisked away to rooms prepared for them to be hidden from the time of God's wrath. Then the Lord will punish the people of the Earth for their sins. The fact that the groups being resurrected and hidden are not objects of his wrath is indicated by the switch from second person (resurrected and hidden) to third person (punished). Notice how similar the wording is to 1 Thes 4:16-17 & 5:9, Paul's teaching on the rapture.

But your dead will live; their bodies will rise. (The dead in Christ will rise first).

Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; (After that we who are alive and left will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air)

It's appropriate to insert John 14:2-3 here as well to see what rooms Isaiah was talking about.

In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

This promise does not point to the 2nd Coming when the Lord will come to Earth to be with Israel here, where they are. This is a promise to the Church that He has gone to His father's house to prepare our rooms for us. Then He will come for us to take us there, where He is.

See, the LORD is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins. (For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.)

I'm convinced this is the passage Paul had in mind when he said “According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.“ (1 Thes. 4:15). I say this because with the exception of 1 Thes 4:16-17 there is no passage in all the Bible that so clearly describes the pre-trib rapture of the Church.

This is not the sum of Old Testament verses that point to a pre-tribulation rapture. But it's a good sample of the clearest ones, to help you see that God always intended to take us to be with him before He unleashes the End Times judgments upon the unbelieving Earth.

 

[Ophel]

Isaiah Said It Best

But your dead will live; their bodies will rise. You who dwell in the dust, wake up and shout for joy. Your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead.

Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by.

See, the LORD is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins. The earth will disclose the blood shed upon her; she will conceal her slain no longer. (Isaiah 26:19-21)

Without a doubt this is the clearest statement of the Lord's intentions for the Church anywhere in the Old Testament. It can't be tied to any event in history, but clearly awaits a future fulfillment. And it can't be intended for Israel, whose resurrection will come after the time of God's wrath, not before it. (Daniel 12:1-2)

Some day soon a group of people will suddenly rise from the dead. Another group, still living, will be whisked away to rooms prepared for them to be hidden from the time of God's wrath. Then the Lord will punish the people of the Earth for their sins. The fact that the groups being resurrected and hidden are not objects of his wrath is indicated by the switch from second person (resurrected and hidden) to third person (punished). Notice how similar the wording is to 1 Thes 4:16-17 & 5:9, Paul's teaching on the rapture.

But your dead will live; their bodies will rise. (The dead in Christ will rise first).

Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; (After that we who are alive and left will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air)

It's appropriate to insert John 14:2-3 here as well to see what rooms Isaiah was talking about.

In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

This promise does not point to the 2nd Coming when the Lord will come to Earth to be with Israel here, where they are. This is a promise to the Church that He has gone to His father's house to prepare our rooms for us. Then He will come for us to take us there, where He is.

See, the LORD is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins. (For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.)

I'm convinced this is the passage Paul had in mind when he said “According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.“ (1 Thes. 4:15). I say this because with the exception of 1 Thes 4:16-17 there is no passage in all the Bible that so clearly describes the pre-trib rapture of the Church.

This is not the sum of Old Testament verses that point to a pre-tribulation rapture. But it's a good sample of the clearest ones, to help you see that God always intended to take us to be with him before He unleashes the End Times judgments upon the unbelieving Earth.

Thank you for your excellent post!

 

[Juliebeth]

The Rapture Goes Public
They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath. (1 Thes 1:10)



For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. (1 Thes. 4:16-17)



For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thes. 5:9)



These are the rapture verses, named for the Latin translation of the Greek word harpadzo, which means to be caught up or snatched away in English, and which appears in 1 Thes. 4:17. In part one of this series I showed how closely they resemble Isaiah 26:19-21. I believe Paul was using Isaiah's words to support his claim that this wasn't just his idea, but had been announced by the Lord nearly eight hundred years earlier.



With the first letter to the Thessalonians Paul gave the first clear promise of a pre-tribulation Rapture. When He called Jesus the one who will rescue us from the coming wrath in chapter 1, he meant that sometime before the seal judgments of Rev. 6, which signal the beginning of God's wrath (Rev. 6:16-17) Jesus will separate the Church from the time and place of the End Times Judgments. (Look up the full meaning of the Greek word translated “from” in 1 Thes. 1: 10 to confirm this.) In Chapter 4 he said this separation would happen when the Lord comes to take us to be with Him in Heaven. First, believers who have died will be raised up. Then, we who are still alive will be snatched away with them to meet the Lord in the air. Then in chapter 5 he repeated the reason for our sudden rescue. It was never intended that the Church would suffer through the time of God's wrath.

Say That Again, Paul
Between the two letters we call 1st and 2nd Thessalonians something happened that would have scared the recipients right out of their socks had they been wearing any. They received a letter that appeared to be from Paul but was in fact a forgery. According to 2 Thes 2:1-2 it said the Day of the Lord had already come. Confused and frightened, they dashed off a hurried request for clarification since this new letter contradicted what Paul had previously taught them.



Here we get an extraordinary insight into their understanding of the sequence of End Times events. Receiving word that the Day of the Lord had come would only have upset them so much if they'd been led to believe that the Rapture of the Church would precede it. Think about it. From any other view, this kind of news would have been scary for sure, but their fear would have been tempered by a certain amount of joyous anticipation. Sure the next few years would really be rough, but whether by martyrdom or survival they would soon be in the presence of the Lord forever.

But from the pre-trib perspective, hearing that the Day of the Lord had come would be horrifying, because it would mean that they had missed the rapture. And that would mean they weren't saved. No wonder they wrote Paul for clarification!

It's important to understand that they had asked Paul two questions. The first concerned the Day of the Lord and the second was about our being gathered to Him, the Rapture. Paul answered the 2 questions in that order using verses 3-5 to describe conditions that would bring about the Day of the Lord and verses 6-8 to explain when the rapture would occur in relation to them.

Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God. Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? (2 Thes. 2:3-5)

Confirming and amplifying Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy (Daniel 9:27) and the Lord's warning from the Olivet Discourse (Matt. 24:15), Paul pegged the beginning of the Great Tribulation to the moment the antichrist stands in the Temple in Jerusalem proclaiming himself to be God.

And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. (2 Thes. 2:6-8)

Before the antichrist can be officially revealed, One who is currently limiting the power of lawlessness has to be taken out of the way. The phrase "out of the way" literally means out of the midst, or from amongst. Some force that restrains the power of evil within certain predetermined limits (for this power is already at work on Earth) has to be removed.

Scholars who read the passage literally identify this force as the Holy Spirit. And since the Holy Spirit is sealed within us, if He's taken out from amongst the people of Earth, we have to go too. You can't take the Restrainer without taking the container, as someone has said. This is the Rapture of the Church, and once we’re gone the power of evil will be free from restraint and all Hell will break loose on Earth until the Lord returns at the end of the Great Tribulation to put a stop to it.

Here then is the sequence. Before the Day of the Lord can come, the antichrist has to be revealed, and before he can be revealed the church has to be raptured. So according to Paul the next prophetic event involving believers will be our own disappearance.

 

[Juliebeth]

The Rapture Goes Public
They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath. (1 Thes 1:10)



For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. (1 Thes. 4:16-17)



For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thes. 5:9)



These are the rapture verses, named for the Latin translation of the Greek word harpadzo, which means to be caught up or snatched away in English, and which appears in 1 Thes. 4:17. In part one of this series I showed how closely they resemble Isaiah 26:19-21. I believe Paul was using Isaiah's words to support his claim that this wasn't just his idea, but had been announced by the Lord nearly eight hundred years earlier.



With the first letter to the Thessalonians Paul gave the first clear promise of a pre-tribulation Rapture. When He called Jesus the one who will rescue us from the coming wrath in chapter 1, he meant that sometime before the seal judgments of Rev. 6, which signal the beginning of God's wrath (Rev. 6:16-17) Jesus will separate the Church from the time and place of the End Times Judgments. (Look up the full meaning of the Greek word translated “from” in 1 Thes. 1: 10 to confirm this.) In Chapter 4 he said this separation would happen when the Lord comes to take us to be with Him in Heaven. First, believers who have died will be raised up. Then, we who are still alive will be snatched away with them to meet the Lord in the air. Then in chapter 5 he repeated the reason for our sudden rescue. It was never intended that the Church would suffer through the time of God's wrath.

Say That Again, Paul
Between the two letters we call 1st and 2nd Thessalonians something happened that would have scared the recipients right out of their socks had they been wearing any. They received a letter that appeared to be from Paul but was in fact a forgery. According to 2 Thes 2:1-2 it said the Day of the Lord had already come. Confused and frightened, they dashed off a hurried request for clarification since this new letter contradicted what Paul had previously taught them.



Here we get an extraordinary insight into their understanding of the sequence of End Times events. Receiving word that the Day of the Lord had come would only have upset them so much if they'd been led to believe that the Rapture of the Church would precede it. Think about it. From any other view, this kind of news would have been scary for sure, but their fear would have been tempered by a certain amount of joyous anticipation. Sure the next few years would really be rough, but whether by martyrdom or survival they would soon be in the presence of the Lord forever.

But from the pre-trib perspective, hearing that the Day of the Lord had come would be horrifying, because it would mean that they had missed the rapture. And that would mean they weren't saved. No wonder they wrote Paul for clarification!

It's important to understand that they had asked Paul two questions. The first concerned the Day of the Lord and the second was about our being gathered to Him, the Rapture. Paul answered the 2 questions in that order using verses 3-5 to describe conditions that would bring about the Day of the Lord and verses 6-8 to explain when the rapture would occur in relation to them.

Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God. Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? (2 Thes. 2:3-5)

Confirming and amplifying Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy (Daniel 9:27) and the Lord's warning from the Olivet Discourse (Matt. 24:15), Paul pegged the beginning of the Great Tribulation to the moment the antichrist stands in the Temple in Jerusalem proclaiming himself to be God.

And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. (2 Thes. 2:6-8)

Before the antichrist can be officially revealed, One who is currently limiting the power of lawlessness has to be taken out of the way. The phrase "out of the way" literally means out of the midst, or from amongst. Some force that restrains the power of evil within certain predetermined limits (for this power is already at work on Earth) has to be removed.

Scholars who read the passage literally identify this force as the Holy Spirit. And since the Holy Spirit is sealed within us, if He's taken out from amongst the people of Earth, we have to go too. You can't take the Restrainer without taking the container, as someone has said. This is the Rapture of the Church, and once we’re gone the power of evil will be free from restraint and all Hell will break loose on Earth until the Lord returns at the end of the Great Tribulation to put a stop to it.

Here then is the sequence. Before the Day of the Lord can come, the antichrist has to be revealed, and before he can be revealed the church has to be raptured. So according to Paul the next prophetic event involving believers will be our own disappearance.

credit for this work goes to Rapture Ready, reprinted with permission

 

[servoguy]

Rapture?

I want to give you guys something to think about:

There are two groups of believers who get to heaven: The bride of Christ and the guests at the wedding feast. IMHO, the bride gets raptured at the beginning of the tribulation to spend 7 days (7 years) with Jesus in the bridal chamber. This is according to the traditional Jewish wedding. I heard this from Zola Levitt about 20 years ago. Then after 7 days, there is a wedding feast. There are many guests at the wedding feast, but these guests are not part of the Bride.

Remember, Jesus said, "I go to prepare a place for you." A traditional Jewish groom prepares a bridal chamber for his bride but he is not finished until his father says he is finished. Sound familiar?

There have been several raptures in the past. Why do you limit the future to just one? The two witnesses get raptured in Rev 11:12. The saints which rose from the dead when Jesus was resurrected must have been raptured: Matt.27

[52] And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

Otherwise, they would still be here as

Heb.9[27] And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

I Cor 15: [42] So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

So someone who is resurrected from the dead cannot die as his body is incorruptible.

Now who makes up the bride of Christ? IMHO, it is the believers who are intimate with Jesus prior to their death or prior to the rapture. God is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him. Heb 11:6

God Bless
Bruce

 

[servoguy]

Rapture?

Juliebeth, your doctrine is almost perfect. I agree with everything you say and with your interpretation of the Scriptures. I also believe that this issue can only be settled if a person will ask the Holy Spirit for the truth. The only point I might have a quibble about is who gets raptured in the pretrib rapture? Is it the whole body of believers or just the Bride? I believe it is just the bride, but I don't know for sure. We shall see.

BTW, IMHO anyone who wants to stay on the earth and experience the tribulation has my permission. I am going to heaven.

God Bless
B

 

[jiggyfly]

I want to give you guys something to think about:

There are two groups of believers who get to heaven: The bride of Christ and the guests at the wedding feast. IMHO, the bride gets raptured at the beginning of the tribulation to spend 7 days (7 years) with Jesus in the bridal chamber. This is according to the traditional Jewish wedding. I heard this from Zola Levitt about 20 years ago. Then after 7 days, there is a wedding feast. There are many guests at the wedding feast, but these guests are not part of the Bride.

Remember, Jesus said, "I go to prepare a place for you." A traditional Jewish groom prepares a bridal chamber for his bride but he is not finished until his father says he is finished. Sound familiar?

There have been several raptures in the past. Why do you limit the future to just one? The two witnesses get raptured in Rev 11:12. The saints which rose from the dead when Jesus was resurrected must have been raptured: Matt.27

[52] And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

Otherwise, they would still be here as

Heb.9[27] And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

I Cor 15: [42] So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

So someone who is resurrected from the dead cannot die as his body is incorruptible.

Now who makes up the bride of Christ? IMHO, it is the believers who are intimate with Jesus prior to their death or prior to the rapture. God is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him. Heb 11:6

God Bless
Bruce

Very nice post Servoguy, nice layout and easy to read. I like the way you challenge us with some scripture and then state your interpretation noting that it is your opinion. Again nicely done.

 

[spirit1st]

We the gentiles are the ones they went out to get!!We are GRATED in as JEWS! We are counted as part of the TRIBE of JUDAH!
Salvation is Only of the JEWS!
They rejected HIm . We accepted Him!
He started off with the JEWS , He turned to the gentiles! Soon , He turns back to the Israel!
He has Never forsaken them!



Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.


Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Only one group goes to heaven [NEW JERUSALEM] Those Born -Again!

The flesh has no eternal part in SALVATION! It is only our Spirit man that goes to Heaven [New Jerusalem ] or hell!

Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Its only though our Spirit man can we please the Creator!

God is the Father of Perfect Spirit beings !

Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

GODS made promises too the people of Israel , Which HE will keep!

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.


1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Only one priesthood now! Though the tribe of judah!

Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

The NEW CREATURE , HE makes us are ALL, 100% made after the pattern JESUS CHRIST! His type mind and nature!

We are All brand new creatures ! A brand new race of heavenly beings, Made just like our LORD and SAVIOR Jesus Christ!

1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.


1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

 

[Talie]

More than anything I want to believe in the pretrb rapture not just to escape the coming tribulation but to escape a bad marriage and situation i'm in. Yes I do pray about it everyday. Ilove Jesus more tan life .Please pray for me.