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[HoneyBare]

Wow, MA! I will have to digest this last info slowly because it is Greek to me. But I will talk it over with my mentor and she will help me. I appreciate being able to share in your knowledge. Bonnie

 

[MightyAngel1]

Howdy Greatlybeloved!

As you can see, The Pre Tribulation Rapture Doctrine is a very indepth study of God's Holy Word. God has a language all of his own and Christians must understand God's language to interpret Bible Prophecy in the New Testament.

The Bible says in Jeremiah 9:24, That we can know and understand God. God wants all of us to know Him and to understand His ways. The only way to do that is to study as 2 Timothy 2:15 directs us to do.

Now, having said that, I want to show you something in Matthew 19:30. The Bible says the following...

Matthew 19:30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

In reading this verse, some could say that what Jesus said is very straight forward. In reality, What Jesus said in the above verse are 2 Jewish Idioms in Aramaic which is a form or dialect of the Greek Language.

So, What are these 2 Idioms spoken by Jesus Christ? They are 1) The First shall be last. 2) The Last shall be first. So, What is Jesus Christ saying in these Idioms? We shall find out. Keeping in mind my post on Matthew 24:31 looking at the Seed Covenant of Abraham.

The First question to be asked is...Who is the Audience in Acts Chapter 2? The Audience is the Seed of Jacob multiplied as the Dust of the earth, i.e. the Church in the Wilderness, see Acts 7:38, who have settled in Jerusalem and surrounding areas and they are all in Jerusalem Worshiping God in the Temple on the Feast of Pentecost.

The Bible teaches that the Gospel came to the Jew first, see Romans 1:16, and the Bible also teaches that Jesus Christ came unto His own and His own received Him not. See John 1:11.

So, Jesus came to the Seed of Jacob multiplied as the Dust of the earth and many rejected Him. God Blinded those Jewish people who rejected Jesus Christ. See Romans 11:8.

The Jews who accepted Jesus Christ as their Messiah became the Children of Promise and were therefore called in Isaac. See Acts 2:47 and Romans 9:7. They received Christ by hearing the Gospel of Circumcision by the Apostle Peter. See Galatians 2:7.

The Jewish people who heard the Gospel of Circumcision and rejected Jesus Christ were the first to hear the Gospel of Circumcision and now will be last. Hence, The First shall be last. See Zechariah 13:9, Matthew 23:39, and Matthew 24:31 along with Zechariah 14:5.

The Apostle Paul was called by God to be the Apostle of the Gentiles. God sent Paul to preach to the Gentiles the Gospel of Uncircumcision. See Galatians 2:7. The Gentiles were the last to hear the Gospel and those who believe and accept Jesus Christ will now be first.

First? Yes, First! First to do what? The Calling out of the Gentiles, See Acts 15:14 and Ephesians 5:27, are first to be adopted into the Spiritual Kingdom of God, see Ephesians 1:5, behind the Jewish Elect of Acts 2:47. See Ephesians 2:19. We are first before the rest of the Seed of Jacob because they rejected Christ.

Therefore, We have the Jewish Elect, The Promised Seed of Isaac, who are followed by the Gentile Elect, The Faith Seed of Abraham. These 2 groups have been promised Heaven in accordance to the Idiom of the Seed Covenant of Abraham which is multiplied as the Stars of the Heaven. See Hebrews 12:23.

The Seed of Jacob who rejected Jesus Christ, according to God's plan, see Zechariah 13:8, will be purified by God through the Tribulation period and at the end of this time, They will see Christ and recognize who He is and accept Him as Messiah. See Matthew 24:29-31 and Matthew 23:39.

So, with this information in front of us, Matthew 19:30 becomes a very powerful verse spoken by Jesus Christ that shows us the following information below graphed...The Gathering will be...

--In the air----------------------------------on the Earth
Jewish Elect----I--Tribulation period--I----Seed of Jacob
Gentile Elect------Jacob's Seed tried----------Purified
--------------------Zechariah 13:8---------Zechariah 13:9
--Feast #5------------------------------------Feast #6
--Last-first-----------------------------------First-last

The Gathering in the Air is followed by a trip to Heaven with Jesus Christ for 1 Week where all of us stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ, see Revelation 4:2-3, and receive our rewards for what we did for Christ while on this earth. See Romans 14:10, 2 Corinthians 5:10, 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 and Matthew 12:36-37. See Also 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, 1 Corinthians 15:50-52, and Philippians 3:20-21.

Our 1 Week in Heaven, is the same length of time for the Tribulation period which is also 1 Week. See Daniel 9:27. Then, After this 1 Week, All of us return with Christ to rule and Reign with Him in His Millennial Kingdom right here on this earth. See Revelation 19:11-16 and Revelation 20:4-6.

 

[MightyAngel1]

Howdy Greatlybeloved!

Well, at this point, I have shown you Leviticus 23:24 and Leviticus 23:27. I have shown you Matthew 24:31 and Matthew 19:30. And, All of these verses of Scripture illustrate 1 Week of separation between the Feast of Trumpets and the Feast of the Great Day of Atonement.

So, Let us take a look at yet another example of 1 Week separation by Jesus Christ himself. What Christ does here is so powerful, that if there is still any doubt about the validity of the Pre Tribulation Rapture Doctrine, Jesus Christ will smash that doubt.

Let us take a look now at John Chapter 20. I will not examine the entire chapter, but, rather selected verses to show you the very powerful imagery of this Chapter in what Jesus Christ does.

The first point to make is that Jesus Christ resurrects from the grave. The Second point is that He appears to Mary Magdalene. Then, Jesus Christ departs to Heaven.

Now, Just look at this imagery here for a moment. Resurrection, Appearance, Departure. Resurrection, Appearance, Departure. What an awesome and powerful picture that Jesus Christ paints for us in John Chapter 20. And, We are not finished.

Looking at John Chapter 20, Christ's Resurrection was early in the morning on Resurrection Day. See John 20:1. His appearance to Mary Magdalene was a little later but still morning time. See John 20:14-18.

Please take careful notice here. Christ's appearance to His Disciples in John 20:19 was at evening on the very same Resurrection Day.

So, We have a gap of time here on Resurrection Day. What happened? Christ resurrects from the grave, appears to Mary Magdalene and says that He is going to His Father and our Father, His God and our God. See John 20:17.

Remember the Imagery here. Resurrection, Appearance, Departure. After Christ appears to Mary Magdalene, He departs this earth to appear in Heaven before His Father.

After Christ's appearance in Heaven, He returns on the same day to appear to His Disciples as shown in John 20:19 in the evening time and Thomas was not here at this time.

So, We need to look at why Jesus Christ departed this earth after appearing to Mary Magdalene. Christ departed this earth, being the first to conquer death, hell, and the grave, to take those Jewish Saints resurrected in Matthew 27:52-53 to Heaven. Remember, Christ was resurrected first followed by those in Matthew 27:52-53.

So, Christ gets to Heaven with those resurrected Saints in tow, and then in the evening returns to this earth and appears to His Disciples. See John 20:19. After this appearance, Christ departs this earth again.

So, Where did Christ go? He went back to Heaven to spend 1 Week of time with those Jewish Saints resurrected in Matthew 27:52-53. See Ephesians 4:8.

Now, The Bible says The Disciples are together again with Thomas this time and in John 20:26 the following...and after 8 days again His Disciples were within, and Thomas with them: Then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, peace be unto you.

Do you see the picture here? Let us take a look at a graph of John Chapter 20...

Christ's
Resurrection,---I---One Week separation---I---Christ Returns
Appearance,
Departure

Fascinating isn't. After Christ returns, Thomas sees and believes. Doesn't This graph look like the graph of Leviticus 23:24 and Leviticus 23:27? Answer: Yes! How about Matthew 24:31 and Matthew 19:30? Answer: Yes!

With this information in view, The Bible teaches in Deuteronomy 19:15 in part that by the mouth of 2 Witnesses or by the mouth of 3 Witnesses shall the matter be established.

Who are our witnesses? Moses, Jesus Christ, and the Apostle John. 3 Witnesses establish the matter that there will be a Pre Tribulation Rapture. And, One of these Witnesses is the Son of God. See Matthew 5:17-18.

 

[MightyAngel1]

Howdy Greatlybeloved!

I will post the graph of John Chapter 20 once again. Here is the graph...

Christ's
Resurrection,---I---One Week separation---I---Christ Returns
Appearance,
Departure

I will use this graph of John Chapter 20 as a backdrop for the teachings of the Apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 and 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3.

The first point I want to make is that Paul is teaching the Church of Thessalonica what is going to happen in the future regarding all believers in Jesus Christ when the Church Age comes to an end. So, Let us look at the following verses...

1) 1 Thessalonians 4:16--a Resurrection.
2) 1 Thessalonians 4:17--an Harpazo--snatching away by force--those who are alive and remain. See Also 1 Corinthians 15:50-52 and Philippians 3:20-21.

3) 2 Thessalonians 2:1--an episunagogue--a gathering together
4) 2 Thessalonians 2:2--The Day of Christ
5) 2 Thessalonians 2:3--The Apostasia--The Falling away (KJV)
6) 2 Thessalonians 2:7--ginomai ek--be taken out of

Now, I am going to post from the Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon (Online) the following information. The Greek Word Apostasia defined...

Apostasia defined--1. A defection or revolt
2. departure, disappearance
3. distinguishing
4. distance

As you can see, The Greek Word Apostasia has 4 distinct meanings. Only one of these definitions fits The Apostle Paul's Teaching regarding the Christian Church at the end of the Church Age. See Romans 11:25 and Acts 15:14-16.

1 Timothy 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord <yoono-highlight onmouseout="___yoonoLink.onYoonoOut(this)" onmouseover="___yoonoLink.onYoonoOver(event,this)" onclick="___yoonoLink.onYoonoClick(this)" keywords="Jesus Christ" class="yoono-link-hover yoono-link-active-link">Jesus Christ</yoono-highlight>:

Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Ephesians 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

What is Paul teaching in the above 3 passages of Scripture? That Christ will appear and present to Himself His Glorious Church not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

With this information in mind, Let us now go through Paul's teachings in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 and 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3, 7 keeping John Chapter 20 in view.

1) Christ's appearing as taught by the Apostle Paul
2) 1 Thessalonians 4:16--Resurrection of dead believers in Christ
3) 1 Thessalonians 4:17--An Harpazo of living believers

4) 2 Thessalonians 2:1--An Episunagogue--Gathering in the air
5) 2 Thessalonians 2:2--on The Day of Christ
6) 2 Thessalonians 2:3--The Apostasia--A Falling away first (KJV)
7) 2 Thessalonians 2:7--Ginomai ek--be taken out of

Now, Looking at what Paul was teaching the Church of Thessalonica, What do you think the Greek Word Apostasia would mean in context? Well, The answer is quite simple. The Definition would not be in conflict with what Paul is teaching. And, The Definition would fit what Christ did in John Chapter 20.

So, Let us graph Paul's Teaching to the Church of Thessalonica as follows...

Christ's appearing
Resurrection
Harpazo--1 Thess 4:16-17--I-----One Week-----I----Christ returns
Gathering in the air-----------Tribulation period------Matt 24:29-31
Departure to Heaven
As the BrideGroom---------------------------------The Lion of Judah

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Paul's writings in Context, and looking at what Jesus Christ did in John Chapter 20 as well as looking at the Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon, The Greek Word Apostasia means departure, disappearance. Paul's Teaching lines up with what Jesus Christ did in John Chapter 20.

 

[faithfulservant]

I just got an infraction over there because I broke one of their rules stating I can't suggest anything other than a pre-tribulation rapture. I suggested people hold on to their faith and consider a
"Pan-tribulation" theory where we simply stay strong in Christ until all this "pans" out.

For a forum to so rabidly protect a theory that's so weak is scary. Perhaps it is an evil pit of satanic deception for young and weak Christians to fall into?

 

[MightyAngel1]

I just got an infraction over there because I broke one of their rules stating I can't suggest anything other than a pre-tribulation rapture. I suggested people hold on to their faith and consider a
"Pan-tribulation" theory where we simply stay strong in Christ until all this "pans" out.

For a forum to so rabidly protect a theory that's so weak is scary. Perhaps it is an evil pit of satanic deception for young and weak Christians to fall into?

Howdy FaithfulServant!

Allow me a moment to share this information with you. There are 5 different teachings on the Rapture. There is Pre Trib, Post Trib, Mid Trib, Pre Wrath, and A-millennial. Out of these 5 different teachings, There is only 1 that is ordained by God.

That only 1 Rapture Teaching is the Pre Tribulation Rapture Doctrine. Because, All of the other Rapture teachings indicate that believers in Christ are of the Promised seed called in Isaac Not Abraham.

All believers in the Pre Tribulation Rapture Doctrine are of the Faith Seed of Abraham who ARE NOT called in Isaac.

God Bless You!

 

[MightyAngel1]

I just got an infraction over there because I broke one of their rules stating I can't suggest anything other than a pre-tribulation rapture. I suggested people hold on to their faith and consider a
"Pan-tribulation" theory where we simply stay strong in Christ until all this "pans" out.

For a forum to so rabidly protect a theory that's so weak is scary. Perhaps it is an evil pit of satanic deception for young and weak Christians to fall into?

Howdy FaithfulServant!

I would also like to say this. The pan tribulation doctrine is not even mentioned in the Bible. Jesus Christ did not teach this Doctrine and neither did the Apostle Paul.

You said quote "For a forum to so rabidly protect a theory that's so weak is scary." I would agree with you on this pan tribulation doctrine. This doctrine is very scary.

You said quote "Perhaps it is an evil pit of satanic deception for young weak Christians to fall into?" Well, If you cling to the pan tribulation doctrine that is not even in the Bible, Then I would say that you have fallen in to the pit of satanic deception.

Why believe a doctrine that Jesus Christ did not teach? That makes no sense to me. I would hope that you would not teach this pan tribulation doctrine as Bible truth. Since this doctrine is not even in the Bible. Respectfully stated.

God Bless You!

 

[faithfulservant]

The "pan" tribulation theory isn't a "doctrine." It's what sensible people whom love Jesus would do if they don't fully understand what's to come. You seem pretty sure of yourself, but I don't let people sway my understanding. I will continue to study the Bible and pray for the Holy Spirit to guide me. If I find out what the truth is regarding a rapture, great. If not, no worries. My salvation isn't hinged upon a debatable point of eschatology. I will simply keep my eyes and heart on Christ and keep doing His will until He comes or I die. And that is a simple Truth from the Word that can be easily supported.

 

[gismapper]

I agree that we need to approach this topic with open-mindedness. It's been debated for 200 years. For every "we are not appointed to wrath" argument (1 Thess 5:9), there is an equally compelling "where are they taken?/where the vultures gather" argument (Luke 17:33-37, which would indicate that the usual "rapture" verse isn't really a rapture, but the taking away of the wicked for the great slaughter of Ezek 39:17). The worst-case would be if antichrist uses the pre-trib rapture doctrine to deny being the antichrist, if he's here and the church hasn't been raptured. It concerns me that christians aren't being taught that there are other possibilities. The best advice is always to study the Bible for yourself and not take anyone's word just because they have a degree. Not putting down seminaries, but they tend to have their own positions that students must agree with in order to graduate. It seems to defeat the purpose of personal study if you're expected to end up with the same conclusion as your prof. I like what Jesus said: "And what I say unto you, I say unto all, 'Watch'." (Mark 13:37).

 

[Anddra]

The "pan" tribulation theory isn't a "doctrine." It's what sensible people whom love Jesus would do if they don't fully understand what's to come. You seem pretty sure of yourself, but I don't let people sway my understanding. I will continue to study the Bible and pray for the Holy Spirit to guide me. If I find out what the truth is regarding a rapture, great. If not, no worries. My salvation isn't hinged upon a debatable point of eschatology. I will simply keep my eyes and heart on Christ and keep doing His will until He comes or I die. And that is a simple Truth from the Word that can be easily supported.

Surely, the sensible thing to do is to own your lack of understanding and ask God for help. That help may well come through another believer who does have a correct understanding. The biblically correct thing to do is to check what they say against scripture.

 

[faithfulservant]

Surely, the sensible thing to do is to own your lack of understanding and ask God for help. That help may well come through another believer who does have a correct understanding. The biblically correct thing to do is to check what they say against scripture.

At the moment, in my walk in Christ, eschatology is taking a low priority when it comes to understanding His word. I consider the time I spend in His Word valuable, and have been seeking the Holy Spirit's guidance in what books I should be reading.

The Spirit isn't leading me to study endtime prophecy right now, which makes sense because I'm newly born again. I'm building a foundational understanding of His Word.

 

[spirit1st]

I am pre great tribulation or pre wrath
I am far from a coward! I do not run from any battle , unless MY LORD tells me to!
The wrath is NOT for the Body of CHRIST! My Lord cannot brong wrath on me or my brothers and Sisters in CHRIST JESUS1 I have no fear the devil or those weak minded suckers who follow such a vile creature!
Many scriptures cause me to accept pre trib. The wrath of my Father God on this evil world .

I do not mind if others do not see it the way , I do! I love them anyway!

Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

1Th 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

WE all have tempation and tribulations! But the GREAT tribulation is the worse time Ever on the earth! it is not for GODS elect!
But for evil people who refuse to accept GODS FREE GIFT of Life!

This is the way I see it and no one else
has to see it the way I see it!
But if wise? we will ask the Spirit of truth to reveal these trues and all others to us!
He waits 24/7 for us to ask Anything of heaven or earth!

 

[MightyAngel1]

The "pan" tribulation theory isn't a "doctrine." It's what sensible people whom love Jesus would do if they don't fully understand what's to come.

Howdy FaithfulServant!

I understand. However, The Bible teaches us the following...

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

You said

"You seem pretty sure of yourself, but I don't let people sway my understanding."

Yes I am. I am very sure of the Law of God. The Bible teaches in Psalm 19:7 the following...

The Law of the Lord is perfect converting the soul; The Testimonies of the Lord are sure making wise the simple.

To understand what is going to happen, A Person should study the Law of God. When they do, They will be given uncommon wisdom to understand precisely what will happen in the future.

You said

I will continue to study the Bible and pray for the Holy Spirit to guide me. If I find out what the truth is regarding a rapture, great. If not, no worries.

My recommendation is to study the Law of God. The very Law that Christ will fulfill at His Second Advent which are the last 3 Feasts of Leviticus 23 in successive order.

You said

My salvation isn't hinged upon a debatable point of eschatology.

The Law of God is not debatable. Either a person believes what God says or They don't. This is just how simple it is. If a person believes what God says, They are Pre Trib.

If They don't believe or don't understand what Christ will fulfill or what God says in His Law, They are either Post Trib, Mid Trib, Pre Wrath, or A-millennial.

I will simply keep my eyes and heart on Christ and keep doing His will until He comes or I die. And that is a simple Truth from the Word that can be easily supported.

And, What you do here is not pan tribulation.

God Bless You!

 

[spirit1st]

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

We CAN ONLY live in the Light we have! And He alone reveals the spiritual trues!


1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

 

[MightyAngel1]

I agree that we need to approach this topic with open-mindedness. It's been debated for 200 years. For every "we are not appointed to wrath" argument (1 Thess 5:9), there is an equally compelling "where are they taken?/where the vultures gather" argument (Luke 17:33-37, which would indicate that the usual "rapture" verse isn't really a rapture, but the taking away of the wicked for the great slaughter of Ezek 39:17). The worst-case would be if antichrist uses the pre-trib rapture doctrine to deny being the antichrist, if he's here and the church hasn't been raptured. It concerns me that christians aren't being taught that there are other possibilities. The best advice is always to study the Bible for yourself and not take anyone's word just because they have a degree. Not putting down seminaries, but they tend to have their own positions that students must agree with in order to graduate. It seems to defeat the purpose of personal study if you're expected to end up with the same conclusion as your prof. I like what Jesus said: "And what I say unto you, I say unto all, 'Watch'." (Mark 13:37).

Howdy Gismapper!

Very interesting comments. You said

The worst-case would be if antichrist uses the pre-trib rapture doctrine to deny being the antichrist, if he's here and the church hasn't been raptured.

The Man of Sin of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 will not do that. He will not deny being the anti Christ because that would be in violation of this particular prophecy which would make God a liar.

Secondly, When the man of sin comes onto the World Scene, The Christian Church and all Jewish Believers in Jesus Christ will not be here on this earth. We will be in Heaven. Hebrews 12:23.

You said

It concerns me that christians aren't being taught that there are other possibilities.

The Law of God is our Standard of Excellence in understanding End Time Bible Prophecy. The Law of God only points to one Rapture Doctrine which is the Pre Tribulation Rapture.

If there are other possibilities, Then, The Law of God is not being used as the Standard of Excellence. An Imitation of Excellence is being used. That Imitation of Excellence, generally speaking, is the Allegorical Method of Scripture interpretation invented by Origen in the 2nd Century.

God Bless You!

 

[faithfulservant]

Howdy FaithfulServant!

I understand. However, The Bible teaches us the following...

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

You said Yes I am. I am very sure of the Law of God. The Bible teaches in Psalm 19:7 the following...

The Law of the Lord is perfect converting the soul; The Testimonies of the Lord are sure making wise the simple.

To understand what is going to happen, A Person should study the Law of God. When they do, They will be given uncommon wisdom to understand precisely what will happen in the future.

You said My recommendation is to study the Law of God. The very Law that Christ will fulfill at His Second Advent which are the last 3 Feasts of Leviticus 23 in successive order.

You said The Law of God is not debatable. Either a person believes what God says or They don't. This is just how simple it is. If a person believes what God says, They are Pre Trib.

If They don't believe or don't understand what Christ will fulfill or what God says in His Law, They are either Post Trib, Mid Trib, Pre Wrath, or A-millennial.

And, What you do here is not pan tribulation.

God Bless You!

I don't take doctrinal advice from people on the internet. The Holy Spirit will guide us in all things as we study His Word.

I encourage all who are reading this to seek the Holy Spirit and His Word, and not the convolutions of men on internet forums.

 

[faithfulservant]

Surely, the sensible thing to do is to own your lack of understanding and ask God for help. That help may well come through another believer who does have a correct understanding. The biblically correct thing to do is to check what they say against scripture.

Doctrines of demons abound on the internet, so blindly taking the word of someone you don't even know is not sensible. Paul certainly wouldn't suggest doing such, and Jesus certainly warned us clearly enough:

Matthew 10:16

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

 

[Anddra]

Doctrines of demons abound on the internet, so blindly taking the word of someone you don't even know is not sensible. Paul certainly wouldn't suggest doing such, and Jesus certainly warned us clearly enough:

Matthew 10:16

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

You are reading into my words something I did not say. I said, "The biblically correct thing to do is to check what they say against scripture." I did not suggest that you should be "blindly taking the word of someone you don't even know."

 

[chris meads]

lets try to open some eyes

book of Hosea " no longer will anyone teach them all will know him"
It's called a personal relationship for a reason.
they sing he lives for a reason they sing he walks withy me and talks wityh me for a reason.
Many claim to know him for he lives if you know him not seek him wile he can be found.
anything my self included that I say is not for you to believe me but that you may ask Christ for you self for as is so many know not what to ask because of the way the world distorts the gospel.
Satan is more than happy to work against the truth in this world so you must know Christ for your self. And there are churches that would have you to think more of them than you should and not to have you know the one you must know personaly for you self. AND AS WELL NOT JUST KNOWING CHRIST BUT OBEYING HIM SACRIFICALY TO BE KNOWN OF HIM. And let me for warn you of any who would say that you cannot know Christ for yourself is a liar and servant to the wickedone.

 

[MightyAngel1]

I am pre great tribulation or pre wrath
I am far from a coward! I do not run from any battle , unless MY LORD tells me to!

Howdy Spirit1st!

If you truly believe that you are pre great Tribulation or pre wrath, Then you will not be in Revelation Chapter 6. Why? Because The Wrath of Arnion in the Greek, who is Jesus Christ, begins in Chapter 6.

You said

The wrath is NOT for the <yoono-highlight onmouseout="___yoonoLink.onYoonoOut(this)" onmouseover="___yoonoLink.onYoonoOver(event,this)" onclick="___yoonoLink.onYoonoClick(this)" keywords="Body of CHRIST" class="yoono-link-hover yoono-link-active-link">Body of CHRIST</yoono-highlight>! My Lord cannot brong wrath on me or my <yoono-highlight onmouseout="___yoonoLink.onYoonoOut(this)" onmouseover="___yoonoLink.onYoonoOver(event,this)" onclick="___yoonoLink.onYoonoClick(this)" keywords="brothers and Sisters" class="yoono-link-hover yoono-link-active-link">brothers and Sisters</yoono-highlight> in CHRIST JESUS!

If you truly believe what you have written, Then You are not in Revelation Chapter 6 and this is what you should teach.

God Bless You!