Beware of the "Rapture Ready" Forum

[MightyAngel1]

I don't take doctrinal advice from people on the internet. The Holy Spirit will guide us in all things as we study His Word.

Howdy FaithfulServant!

Well, I have a question for you. Who told you about the pan tribulation theory? Here is what you said...

The "pan" tribulation theory isn't a "doctrine." It's what sensible people whom love Jesus would do if they don't fully understand what's to come.

Apparently, Someone who is not very knowledgeable in the Bible told you this and you believed them. Isn't that right? Did you find this person in on the internet? Or, Does this person stand in a pulpit and claim to be a minister of truth?

Sensible people who love Jesus Christ study the Bible and do not follow doctrines of devils, 1 Timothy 4:1-2, and they do not propagate the pan tribulation teaching like you have.

FS--I encourage all who are reading this to seek the Holy Spirit and His Word, and not the convolutions of men on internet forums.

The pan tribulation theory is a convoluted teaching that is contrary to the Holy Word of God. This teaching is a doctrine of our enemy designed to steal the Joy of all believers in doubting the Pre Tribulation Rapture Doctrine ordained by God Himself. The Holy Spirit will never teach you a convoluted teaching. But rather, The Holy Spirit will teach you God's Law.

God Bless You!

 

[chris meads]

I aint out to scare anyone for you must ask christ for you self. But It falls as a matter of being for what is wrath poured out on one for they have rejected christ not nessasaraly in word but in action and deed I believe will be the infilling and empowerment to the other who has recieved and reflected by being deframed to his glory to not only drink the cup he drank but to be baptized into eturnity with the baptisum with which he was baptized and be where he is also as the sons of thunder were!!!!! but as is written few find it. But it is christ's will that none should persih and also I believe in everything from saved to rule and reign with christ but not all are alowed in the holy city as well as not all can come and go from the holly city as they please. I hope I have chalgened you
and not coplicated the siplicity of christ.

 

[MightyAngel1]

Doctrines of demons abound on the internet, so blindly taking the word of someone you don't even know is not sensible. Paul certainly wouldn't suggest doing such, and Jesus certainly warned us clearly enough:

Matthew 10:16

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Howdy FaithfulServant!

I agree with you when you say that Doctrines of Demons abound on the internet. This point you make is very true.

So, When it comes to finding someone who is knowledgeable in the Bible, the Law of God, and shows Godly Wisdom and understanding of the Scriptures, Then, the Holy Spirit will witness to your spirit that you are being taught the Truth of God's Holy Word.

The Problem with many Christians today is that they reject the Witness of the Holy Spirit and instead follow the easy doctrines of demons, i.e. Pan Tribulationism.

They also look at Biblically studied men and women who have the Wisdom of God and think that they are twisting the Scriptures when in reality these people with the Wisdom of God are not. These people simply teach the Bible on the internet in hopes that someone will listen to the Truth.

Only a few will. The rest of Christianity will not. Which one are you?

God Bless You!

 

[gismapper]

You said:

The Man of Sin of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 will not do that.

(Deny being antichrist)

He will not deny being the anti Christ because that would be in violation of this particular prophecy which would make God a liar.

I don't see why antichrist wouldn't deny being antichrist (and use christian doctrine to back him up). Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. (2 Cor 11:14) The man of lawlessness will be *revealed* not *identified*. He will actually claim to be God according to Second Thessalonians 2:4, so of course he will deny being the antichrist. In *my opinion*, *if* the rapture has not happened yet, this would cause great confusion among folks who have been taught that we will absolutely be out of here before anticrhist comes. They would be ripe for deception.

You also said:

Secondly, When the man of sin comes onto the World Scene, The Christian Church and all Jewish Believers in Jesus Christ will not be here on this earth. We will be in Heaven. Hebrews 12:23.

I can't see how Hebrews 12:23 indicates either our presence or our absence at any particular time in relation to Christ's second coming. It says, "you have come," with no reference to end times. The context of Hebrews 12 is the superiority of our invitation to come to Christ over Israel's invitation to come to the Law. I don't see any pre/mid/post tribulation connection in that verse, especially given the context. To take this passage out of context would make it allegorical.

You also said:

The Law of God only points to one Rapture Doctrine which is the Pre Tribulation Rapture.

Honestly, if it was that clear and simple, this forum thread would not exist, would it? And we wouldn't be having all this fun. Many God-fearing Jews thought they understood who Messiah was going to be and what He would do, and how He would do it. Many in Israel got caught up in the military king Messiah concept, and they couldn't reconcile that with the suffering servant Messiah. Since Jesus warned his followers (and everyone else) to keep watch and stay alert, I think it would do us all good to do that.

The way many churches present the pre-tribulation rapture, and the way it's talked about among many believers, people take a very cavalier attitude toward the things that are coming on the earth. The attitude is, "I'm not going to be here to see it, so why worry about it?" This sounds very close to people saying "peace and safety" just before sudden destruction comes upon them (1 Thess 5:3). Not saying it is, but many people have that same kind of "que sera, sera" attitude about the end times. Just the opposite of what Jesus told us to do...watch.

You also said:

God Bless You!

Thanks...He has! May He bless you, too!

 

[MightyAngel1]

I can't see how Hebrews 12:23 indicates either our presence or our absence at any particular time in relation to Christ's second coming. It says, "you have come," with no reference to end times. The context of Hebrews 12 is the superiority of our invitation to come to Christ over Israel's invitation to come to the Law. I don't see any pre/mid/post tribulation connection in that verse, especially given the context. To take this passage out of context would make it allegorical.

Howdy Gismapper!

The context of Hebrews 12:23 pictorially speaking is showing us who is in Heaven with Jesus Christ right now as we speak. The People in Heaven right now are the Dead in Christ. These people are the panagureis (Jews) and the ekklesia (Gentiles) according to the Greek.

When The Rapture occurs, We will join the Dead in Christ in the air according to 1 Thessalonians 4:17. From this point, We will be with the Lord forever.

God Bless You!

 

[MightyAngel1]

You also said:

MightyAngel1--The Law of God only points to one Rapture Doctrine which is the Pre Tribulation Rapture.

Honestly, if it was that clear and simple, this forum thread would not exist, would it?

Howdy Gismapper!

Yes, This Forum would still exist. Why? Because, Though Christians will say that they believe what Jesus says in Matthew 5:17-18, They will not believe what Christ says literally. They will choose to believe what He says Allegorically.

GM--And we wouldn't be having all this fun.

Learning what God has planned for the Future should always be fun. Even When someone is found to be in disagreement with God.

GM--Many God-fearing Jews thought they understood who Messiah was going to be and what He would do, and how He would do it. Many in Israel got caught up in the military king Messiah concept, and they couldn't reconcile that with the suffering servant Messiah. Since Jesus warned his followers (and everyone else) to keep watch and stay alert, I think it would do us all good to do that.

The most interesting challenge for all Pre Tribulation Rapture believers is convincing the pan tribulationists of this point.

GM--The way many churches present the pre-tribulation rapture, and the way it's talked about among many believers, people take a very cavalier attitude toward the things that are coming on the earth. The attitude is, "I'm not going to be here to see it, so why worry about it?" This sounds very close to people saying "peace and safety" just before sudden destruction comes upon them (1 Thess 5:3). Not saying it is, but many people have that same kind of "que sera, sera" attitude about the end times. Just the opposite of what Jesus told us to do...watch.

And sadly, You will always have those people who have a cavalier attitude about the Rapture. They should be concentrating on 2 Corinthians 5:18 in my honest opinion and 2 Timothy 2:15.

God Bless You!

 

[MightyAngel1]

MightyAngel1--He will not deny being the anti Christ because that would be in violation of this particular prophecy which would make God a liar.

GM--I don't see why antichrist wouldn't deny being antichrist (and use christian doctrine to back him up).

Howdy GM!

Well, What you need to do is show Scripture that supports what you believe. You need to show the man of sin denying being the antiChrist. When you find that you cannot show this, Then You need to reexamine what you believe.

GM--Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. (2 Cor 11:14)

This point is true because you have the Bible backing up what you claim.

GM--The man of lawlessness will be *revealed* not *identified*.

When the man of sin is revealed, The Whole World will know his name. By Definition, The word revealed means to make known; disclose; divulge. Funk and Wagnalls Standard Desk Dictionary Volume 2 N-Z page 570.

GM--He will actually claim to be God according to Second Thessalonians 2:4, so of course he will deny being the antichrist.

When He claims to be God in the flesh, He will be saying that He is Jesus Christ. When someone claims to be Christ, Jesus said in Matthew 24:4-5 take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

The Man of Sin claiming to be Jesus Christ is antiChrist. This is not a denial. This is a proclamation of deception.

GM--In *my opinion*, *if* the rapture has not happened yet, this would cause great confusion among folks who have been taught that we will absolutely be out of here before anticrhist comes. They would be ripe for deception.

God has never been late on any of His Promises. God will always be on time. Therefore, The Rapture will occur before The Tribulation period begins.

God Bless You!

 

[gismapper]

Howdy Gismapper!

The context of Hebrews 12:23 pictorially speaking is showing us who is in Heaven with Jesus Christ right now as we speak. The People in Heaven right now are the Dead in Christ. These people are the panagureis (Jews) and the ekklesia (Gentiles) according to the Greek.

You have to show me where the Bible claims that Hebrews 12:23 is pictorial. You can't decry "allegorical" interpretation, and then claim "pictorial" interpretation without backing it up bro.

When The Rapture occurs, We will join the Dead in Christ in the air according to 1 Thessalonians 4:17. From this point, We will be with the Lord forever.

This is exactly the point we seem to be debating. Your claim is the hypothesis. You're just re-stating it here without evidence.

 

[gismapper]

Many God-fearing Jews thought they understood who Messiah was going to be and what He would do, and how He would do it. Many in Israel got caught up in the military king Messiah concept, and they couldn't reconcile that with the suffering servant Messiah. Since Jesus warned his followers (and everyone else) to keep watch and stay alert, I think it would do us all good to do that.

The most interesting challenge for all Pre Tribulation Rapture believers is convincing the pan tribulationists of this point.

The most interesting challenge for *all believers* is convincing *all believers* of this point.

When He claims to be God in the flesh, He will be saying that He is Jesus Christ. When someone claims to be Christ, Jesus said in Matthew 24:4-5 take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

The Man of Sin claiming to be Jesus Christ is antiChrist. This is not a denial. This is a proclamation of deception.

Your statement defies logic. If antichrist is claiming to be Jesus, he could not simultaneously proclaim he is antichrist and proclaim that he is deceiving everyone, because Jesus didn't claim to be the antichrist. If antichrist is trying to impersonate Christ, he wouldn't claim to be something that Jesus didn't claim to be.

By definition, the word deceive means, "to mislead by a false appearance or statement" (dictionary dot com). If antichrist is trying to mislead by false appearance, by definition, he would be pretending to be something other than what he is.

God has never been late on any of His Promises. God will always be on time.

True enough.

Therefore, The Rapture will occur before The Tribulation period begins.

This is the hypothesis. What you need to do is show Scripture that supports what you believe.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

 

[spirit1st]

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


We do NOT have to Ever try and force any to believe anything!
GOD gave each of us the HOLY GHOST for TRUTH!
We either hear HIM and Accept HIS Words as TRUTh or we do not?
It is true , that we learn slowly And it takes time for us to see ! As time goes by ? If we truly love truth and want it? Then we will grow in truth and understanding!
Personally , I do NOT think a life time is long enough for most of us to know All truth and have the correct understanding ?
I do not think anyone has but MY LORD JESUS CHRIST!

If I am wrong? I have lost nothing< if right , Then I obeyed my L:ORD and watched and was ready!
My life is His life , I trust Him with it 100% He can do as He Wills with me!

 

[shipwrecksoul]

The Holy Spirit

Give this man, quote, a gold star!

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


We do NOT have to Ever try and force any to believe anything!
GOD gave each of us the HOLY GHOST for TRUTH!
We either hear HIM and Accept HIS Words as TRUTh or we do not?
It is true , that we learn slowly And it takes time for us to see ! As time goes by ? If we truly love truth and want it? Then we will grow in truth and understanding!
Personally , I do NOT think a life time is long enough for most of us to know All truth and have the correct understanding ?
I do not think anyone has but MY LORD JESUS CHRIST!

 

[MightyAngel1]

You have to show me where the Bible claims that Hebrews 12:23 is pictorial. You can't decry "allegorical" interpretation, and then claim "pictorial" interpretation without backing it up bro.

Howdy Gismapper!

Well, Why don't we look at this passage...

Hebrews 12:22-23

22. But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23. To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

So, Which part of this passage is allegorical to you? I see all of this passage as literal. A Literal Heaven, a Literal Mount Sion, a Literal city of the living God..the New Jerusalem, and a Literal innumerable company of angels.

I also see the panagureis and the ekklesia as literal as well. These people are real people who have died in Christ. There is nothing here allegorical for me. Nothing.

MightyAngel1--When The Rapture occurs, We will join the Dead in Christ in the air according to 1 Thessalonians 4:17. From this point, We will be with the Lord forever.

GM--This is exactly the point we seem to be debating. Your claim is the hypothesis. You're just re-stating it here without evidence.

What I teach is not an hypothesis according to the Law of God and Matthew 5:17-18. All you need to do is go back a page and find my posts beginning with post number 103 I think it is.

You can read a very detailed explanation on several passages of Scripture that clearly show the Pre Tribulation Rapture teaching by Jesus Christ himself. Also keeping in mind, That not all Christians will believe Jesus Christ. They will not accept what He shows them.

God Bless You!

 

[MightyAngel1]

MightyAngel1--Therefore, The Rapture will occur before the Tribulation period begins.

GM--This is the hypothesis. What you need to do is show Scripture that supports what you believe.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Howdy GisMapper!

No, What I teach once again is not an Hypothesis. What I teach is based on Matthew 5:17-18 and the Law of God of Leviticus Chapter 23. The Very Law of God that Christ fulfills. Allow me a moment to show you what I am talking about...

The Feast of Passover, The Feast of Unleavened Bread, The First of First Fruits and the Feast of Pentecost were all fulfilled by Jesus Christ at His First Advent. Specifically, The Feast of Pentecost was fulfilled in Acts Chapter 2.

Now, The remaining 3 Feasts of the Lord will be fulfilled by Christ, see Matthew 5:17-18, at His Second Advent according to the Law of God of Leviticus 23 in successive order.

The Feast of Trumpets, The Feast of the Great Day of Atonement, and the Feast of Tabernacles. These last 3 Feasts of the Lord will not be fulfilled by Christ on the very same day. To do so would violate the Law of God.

The Feast of Trumpets is fulfilled before the Tribulation period begins because Elijah brings back the Law of Moses. See Daniel 9:27, Malachi 4:4-6, and Acts 15:14-18.

The Feast of the Great Day of Atonement is fulfilled by Christ after the Tribulation period. See Daniel 12:1-2, Matthew 24:31, and Genesis 49:10. See Also Zechariah 13:9, Matthew 23:38-39, and Daniel 9:24.

The Feast of Tabernacles is fulfilled by Christ during His Millennial Reign here on this earth. See Revelation 20:4 and Leviticus 23:39-42. The Fulfillment of the Last 3 Feasts of the Lord follows exactly what Jesus Christ did in John Chapter 20. A Precise repeat. Please check out my post on John Chapter 20 on page 4 of this thread.

God Bless You!

 

[gismapper]

hi MightyAngel1:

So, Which part of this passage is allegorical to you? I see all of this passage as literal. A Literal Heaven, a Literal Mount Sion, a Literal city of the living God..the New Jerusalem, and a Literal innumerable company of angels.

I also see the panagureis and the ekklesia as literal as well. These people are real people who have died in Christ. There is nothing here allegorical for me. Nothing.

Good. Then, if you're keeping it literal, you should also agree that the context is a comparison showing the superiority of our invitation to come to Christ over the invitation of Israel to come to the Law. That's the central theme of the entire book of Hebrews, and a plain reading of the passages before this and after this show it is a simple comparison, written to Jews, to show them the superiority of Christ, and the greater seriousness of the consequences of rejecting Christ, over the seriousness of the consequences of rejecting the Law. Period. There's nothing in there allegorical or pictorial. It is a simple warning, made as a point of contrast.

Even if it were pictorial, it would have no end-times context to infer that the rapture must take place before the great tribulation. If you say this passage is pictorial, you need to show where Scripture calls it "pictorial".

I have no disagreement with Christ's fulfillment of the Law and the picture of Christ in the Jewish feasts. I don't even disagree that a rapture could occur prior to the rise of antichrist. I disagree with the belief that a rapture *must* occur prior to the rise of antichrist. Those who say that "he who now restrains" antichrist is the presence of the Holy Spirit in the church can only back this up with opinion, not scripture. The only passage I'm aware of where supernatural restraining is happening is when the Prince of Persia resists the angel that was sent to speak to Daniel, and the angels that restrain the winds in Revelation. I'm not saying that the Holy Spirit *couldn't* be the one restraining antichrist, but the identity of the restrainer is not revealed. It could be an angel. If an angel is capable of binding Satan and throwing him in the abyss, an angel could certainly be capable of restraining antichrist. That would mean that you don't have to remove the Holy Spirit (or the church) for antichrist to be revealed...hence no need for a rapture. Not saying it *will* be this way, but it's not precluded or required by scripture.

I disagree with the belief that a rapture *must* occur prior to the rise of antichrist. After all, God preserved Israel in the middle of the plagues of Egypt, making a distinction between Israel in the land of Goshen and the rest of Egypt. God could preserve those who love Him, in the middle of His wrath falling on the earth. Perhaps this is pictorial of God's preservation of His people during the great tribulation, even without a rapture.

Or, God could take them home in the midst of His wrath on earth. Not as punishment, but to simply take them home. Didn't Job even say, "Though He slay me, yet I will trust in Him" (Job 13:15)?

Is 57:1-2 says, "The righteous man perishes, and no man takes it to heart; And devout men are taken away, while no one understands. For the righteous man is taken away from evil, he enters into peace; They rest in their beds, each one who walked in his upright way."

Isaiah 26:19-21 says: "19 Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise. You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, And the earth will give birth to the departed spirits.
20 Come, my people, enter into your rooms And close your doors behind you; Hide for a little while Until indignation runs its course.
21 For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; And the earth will reveal her bloodshed And will no longer cover her slain."

The Bible says that God has not appointed us to wrath but to obtaining salvation. *If* we are here when His wrath is poured out on the earth, we could either be preserved in the middle of it, or we could be taken home during it. If we trust Him, it shouldn't matter to us if He takes us away by death or by coming for us.

I'm just saying it's wise to let the final outworking of this up to God and not presuppose *how* He's going to accomplish what He has said. Lest antichrist take advantage of a mis-taught doctrine, the correct thing to do is obey Jesus and watch. (Mark 13:37) I'm not saying the pre-tribulation rapture teaching is necessarily incorrect, I'm just saying that teaching it as the *only* possibility is incorrect, because no one has a perfect understanding of all the end-times prophecies.

It sounds like we simply disagree about that (not to mention we've taken this thread way off topic - my apologies), so it makes sense for me to stop here. Take care & God bless.

 

[MightyAngel1]

hi MightyAngel1:

I have no disagreement with Christ's fulfillment of the Law and the picture of Christ in the Jewish feasts. I don't even disagree that a rapture could occur prior to the rise of antichrist.

Howdy GisMapper!

Very good.

GM--I disagree with the belief that a rapture *must* occur prior to the rise of antichrist.

This is where I will say that this statement of yours is your Hypothesis. You can disagree with the Law of God all day long until the cows come home even, but, your disagreement will not change the Law of God.

Your hypothesis here, however, is the crux of this matter for millions of Christians. Don't Feel bad about it either. Take this hypothesis of yours and turn it into a learning opportunity.

How? Examine the Law of God with the Seed Covenant of Abraham. When you do this study, You will find that what I have posted is absolutely true and the Word of God backs me up.

This is what you will find. The Law of God points to only one Rapture Doctrine which is the Pre Tribulation Rapture. Jesus Christ teaches us this in John Chapter 20.

You will also find that the Law of God does not support a Mid Trib, Post trib, or Pre Wrath Rapture for the Christian Church, nor does it support the a-millennial approach to Scripture.

This information is very hard for many Christians to swallow because of what the Christian Church has taught for centuries. The reasoning is most everybody believes this teaching so this belief/teaching must be right.

Well, Here is a test for you. The Divorce rate in the Christian Church is about 50%. Therefore, Since about half of everyone is divorcing their spouses, Then, Divorce must be the right thing to do.

But, There is a catch. God never told Adam and Eve that they could divorce. He specifically told them to be fruitful and multiply. And, They did.

So, Where does the idea of divorce come from? Moses because of the Hard heartedness of the Jews. Therefore, People who divorce today are not following God's Plan. They are following man's plan.

Hence, The Mid Trib, Post Trib, Pre Wrath Rapture doctrines along with the a-millennial view is man's attempt to interpret the New Testament without the Law of God. Fascinating isn't. Without the Law of God, Man will always fail in his Scripture interpretations. Always.

GM--Those who say that "he who now restrains" antichrist is the presence of the Holy Spirit in the church can only back this up with opinion, not scripture.

I am fully aware of this argument. There are many people who stand on both sides of this issue. But, My experience with dealing with people online and in person is that they do not fully comprehend that the Body is the Temple of the Lord in my honest opinion. 1 Corinthians 6:19.

The most resounding question that I hear all of the time is that if the Church and or the Holy Spirit is truly restraining, Why is there so much evil in the world? And, I respond with...Good question.

The answer is very simple. Sin. You should see the look on their faces. huh? When I give them this answer, They struggle with this answer. They have a hard time understanding that since Christ came and died on the cross, was buried and then rose again, That there is still sin and evil in the world.

They truly think that since Christ died on the cross, That the death of Christ defeated satan. Well, Then I have them read 1 Peter 5:8. If Christ defeated satan on the cross, Then the Apostle Peter is not being very honest with us. Is he? Again, You should see the look on their faces.

To give you an answer...The Restrainer is a combination of the Church and the Holy Spirit. Because, We are One in Christ. But, This Retrainer does not restrain to keep sin and evil from occurring, The Restrainer operates to protect the Children of God who walk in the spirit. Not in the flesh. Romans 8:1, John 3:18a, and John 4:24.

Because of the condition of the Flesh, Sin and evil will be present as long as mankind exists without Christ. Those believers in Christ are protected by the Holy Spirit until all believers are taken out of the way. When We are taken out of the way, Then, that wicked one is revealed.

When we are taken out of the way, We are taken to Heaven to be with the Lord Jesus Christ for seven years. Upon our arrival, We stand before Christ at our Judgment Seat. 1 Corinthians 3:11-15, 2 Corinthians 5:10, Romans 14:10, and Revelation 4:2-3. Revelation 4:2-3 is a description of the Judgment Seat of Christ.

God Bless You!

 

[faithfulservant]

Howdy FaithfulServant!

I agree with you when you say that Doctrines of Demons abound on the internet. This point you make is very true.

So, When it comes to finding someone who is knowledgeable in the Bible, the Law of God, and shows Godly Wisdom and understanding of the Scriptures, Then, the Holy Spirit will witness to your spirit that you are being taught the Truth of God's Holy Word.

The Problem with many Christians today is that they reject the Witness of the Holy Spirit and instead follow the easy doctrines of demons, i.e. Pan Tribulationism.

They also look at Biblically studied men and women who have the Wisdom of God and think that they are twisting the Scriptures when in reality these people with the Wisdom of God are not. These people simply teach the Bible on the internet in hopes that someone will listen to the Truth.

Only a few will. The rest of Christianity will not. Which one are you?

God Bless You!

If I told you I submit myself to the Holy Spirit as much as my flesh will allow each day, would you believe me? Would you believe me if I told you that the Holy Spirit sets off alarms when I come across preachers on the radio, doctrines on the internet, and books in the Christian stores? The sad fact is, most people don't ring true. It's rare the Holy Spirit says, "Yes, YES, YES!" It often says, "NO, NO, NO!"

If I told you your moniker smacks of pride, would you accept it as an honest observation from one brother in Christ to another? We're mere men, I'm afraid, and none of us understands it all:


1 Corinthians 13
"For now we see through a glass, darkly".

When men zealously attempt to shove doctrines above the simplicity of Christ's salvation on the cross down my throat, I must wonder what their motives are:

Matthew 10:16
Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves.

 

[MightyAngel1]

If I told you I submit myself to the Holy Spirit as much as my flesh will allow each day, would you believe me?

Howdy FaithfulServant!

Yes, I would and do.

FaithfulServant--Would you believe me if I told you that the Holy Spirit sets off alarms when I come across preachers on the radio, doctrines on the internet, and books in the Christian stores?

Yes, I would and do.

FaithfulServant--The sad fact is, most people don't ring true. It's rare the Holy Spirit says, "Yes, YES, YES!" It often says, "NO, NO, NO!"

I strongly agree with you.

FaithfulServant--If I told you your moniker smacks of pride, would you accept it as an honest observation from one brother in Christ to another?

Yes, I would.

FaithfulServant--We're mere men, I'm afraid, and none of us understands it all:

I second that. And, The very reason why God gave us 2 Timothy 2:15 and Jeremiah 9:23-24.

FaithfulServant--1 Corinthians 13 "For now we see through a glass, darkly".

When men zealously attempt to shove doctrines above the simplicity of Christ's salvation on the cross down my throat, I must wonder what their motives are:

Very simple. One verse...

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.

When I discovered that I was weak in understanding God's Holy Word many years ago, I became very thankful when I ran into people who as you say shoved the doctrine of being sober and vigilant down my throat.

Sometimes, Their harsh and at times prideful approach, as it seemed to me at the time, kept the devil from seeing me as easy prey. I also learned the importance of overlooking their pride and being non-judgmental because everyone has some and pride never goes away as long as we are in this fleshly body.

But, One day, We will not have to worry about pride anymore. We will have a new Body, A Glorious Body, and no more pride.

FaithfulServant--Matthew 10:16 Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

God Bless You!

 

[faithfulservant]

Thank you for not taking what I said the wrong way. As for your understanding of the rapture, I'm afraid I must wait before I tackle that teaching as I am currently reading and rereading Galatians and Ephesians to gain a fundamental understanding of God's word. When the Holy Spirit prompts me, I will come back and examine what you said.

 

[MightyAngel1]

Thank you for not taking what I said the wrong way. As for your understanding of the rapture, I'm afraid I must wait before I tackle that teaching as I am currently reading and rereading Galatians and Ephesians to gain a fundamental understanding of God's word. When the Holy Spirit prompts me, I will come back and examine what you said.

Howdy FaithfulServant!

The Longer you are around me, You will find that I am not easily offended. I encourage you to study every detail of Galatians and Ephesians. These 2 Books of the New Testament are very powerful teachings of the Apostle Paul.

When You find a question and you want to bounce it off of someone, Ask me if you choose to. And, When the Holy Spirit prompts you, Study in great detail the Book of Colossians. Especially, Colossians 2:14. You will be surprised at what you learn.

And, I will look forward to your reply as the Holy Spirit leads you.

God Bless You!

 

[faithfulservant]

Rapture Ready moderators are aware of this thread and banning anyone (myself included) from their forums because of our participation in this thread. This, of course, is pathetic. I am not surprised, though.